Seriously, don't you think the "generation" enthusiasts are showing a shocking disregard for the law and constitution? Making up wholly imaginary rules that have no being in law.
Be gentle, it's all the wee souls have at the moment
I’m surprised to see you both so condemnatory of Cherry and her acolytes, but then I suppose she is a Salmondite.
PBers will be reassured to know that over on the rail forum they aren't sharing videos of Nigel Farage speeches.
The equivalent of sharing Deltic videos would be showing speeches of Home.
Everyone knew it was the second best option,* but gets a kind of guilty nostalgic pleasure from looking at it.
*The Deltics were designed and built in the late 1950s and early 1960s after a plan to electrify the entire mainline network using overhead lines a la the Woodhead route were abandoned.
For anyone who thinks Deltics are the spawn of the devil:
Frustrating. I was excited to hear about the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn this morning but I can't see a damn thing.
It’s been live streamed from various sunnier places and there are videos about on the internet. I caught a glimpse of the two planets quite close ast night, and there’ll be another chance tomorrow. Or in 2040.
The next full transit is, I believe, in the 71st century.
Is that when we have the referendum about joining or leaving the United Federation of Planets?
Once we all have the vaccine chip, there won’t be any objection
PBers will be reassured to know that over on the rail forum they aren't sharing videos of Nigel Farage speeches.
The equivalent of sharing Deltic videos would be showing speeches of Home.
Everyone knew it was the second best option,* but gets a kind of guilty nostalgic pleasure from looking at it.
*The Deltics were designed and built in the late 1950s and early 1960s after a plan to electrify the entire mainline network using overhead lines a la the Woodhead route were abandoned.
For anyone who thinks Deltics are the spawn of the devil:
PBers will be reassured to know that over on the rail forum they aren't sharing videos of Nigel Farage speeches.
The equivalent of sharing Deltic videos would be showing speeches of Home.
Everyone knew it was the second best option,* but gets a kind of guilty nostalgic pleasure from looking at it.
*The Deltics were designed and built in the late 1950s and early 1960s after a plan to electrify the entire mainline network using overhead lines a la the Woodhead route were abandoned.
For anyone who thinks Deltics are the spawn of the devil:
Glad you liked it. My extremely late grandfather (d. 1970) was a driver on God's Wonderful Railway, covering the northern end of the Paddington to Birkenhead Express. An old lady once asked the guard "does this train stop at Woodside?" "There's be an helluva splash if it didn't, Missus!"
Toyota announce that due to the travel bans it has decided to come to a controlled stop of production at Toyota manufacturing France and Toyota manufacturing Uk
Frustrating. I was excited to hear about the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn this morning but I can't see a damn thing.
It’s been live streamed from various sunnier places and there are videos about on the internet. I caught a glimpse of the two planets quite close ast night, and there’ll be another chance tomorrow. Or in 2040.
The next full transit is, I believe, in the 71st century.
Is that when we have the referendum about joining or leaving the United Federation of Planets?
And it marks the point at which Remainers finally admit defeat on rejoining the EU.
Frustrating. I was excited to hear about the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn this morning but I can't see a damn thing.
It’s been live streamed from various sunnier places and there are videos about on the internet. I caught a glimpse of the two planets quite close ast night, and there’ll be another chance tomorrow. Or in 2040.
The next full transit is, I believe, in the 71st century.
Is that when we have the referendum about joining or leaving the United Federation of Planets?
Frustrating. I was excited to hear about the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn this morning but I can't see a damn thing.
It’s been live streamed from various sunnier places and there are videos about on the internet. I caught a glimpse of the two planets quite close ast night, and there’ll be another chance tomorrow. Or in 2040.
The next full transit is, I believe, in the 71st century.
Is that when we have the referendum about joining or leaving the United Federation of Planets?
And it marks the point at which Remainers finally admit defeat on rejoining the EU.
Unionist desperation knows no bounds, tag team of the great clunking duffer and Bozo the Clown, independence will be at short odds for sure.
Seems you are going to have a longer wait for indy2 with Brown and Starmer teaming up and refusing to support it through the HOC
You seem to have got over your recent ‘blocking a referendum would be undemocratic’ spasm. Can we now expect you to participate in HYUFD’s baton wielding B Specials for the Union?
I don't think indyref2 is legally dependent on a House of Commons mandate. If you read the legal arguments for a referendum, regardless of what Westminster thinks, it seems reasonably strong.
Before anyone jumps in with 'that's what it says in law' I would point you to some of the complex arguments being advanced which may well by-pass Westminster.
If Westminster refuses one it would have as much effect as the Catalan referendum in defiance of Madrid, ie none
Spain is used to Franco authoritarianism.
Britain is a proud centuries old democracy.
If the mother of all Parliament's turns to Francoism then that would be to betray everything that is Great about Britain.
Wrong, Spain never even allowed Catalonia one legal independence vote.
Westminster allowed the Scots one in 2014, they voted 55% to stay in the UK in that 'once in a generation' referendum
Under British Parliamentary Democracy there is an overriding principle quite rightly that No Parliament can bind it's successors.
Whatever the Scottish voters elect in 2021 is their choice. Not yours. If that contradicts promises in 2014 so be it. That is why no Parliament can bind it's successors.
Either you respect democracy or you do not. Democracy is not a once in a generation event.
The Scottish referendum is in the sole purview of Westminster. It’s up to the Westminster parliament if they wish to grant it or not. They can take into account the composition of the Scottish Parliament if they do choose but it’s not the only factor
Har Har, imagine you supporting colonial rule in a supposedly equal union , who would have believed it.
Westminster is the combined parliaments of England & Scotland.
It would be “colonial rule” as you put it if it was an English Parliament telling Scotland what to do
Given that England cannot unilaterally leave the UK, and has no parliament to request a referendum, I'd say any inequality in this area is in Scotland's favour.
Cazort of Wisdom - How to Save the Union in Seven Simple Steps
1. England secedes from United Kingdom, which instantly becomes much more attractive to the Scots, Welsh and Irish of all persuasions.
2. Wales secedes from England, in order to remain IN the (Celtic) Union with Scotland and Northern Ireland
3. Scotland reaffirms it's commitment to a reformed, reconstituted Union, with HRH EIIR reigning in Edinburgh as Queen of the UK, and presiding in London as Head of the Commonwealth.
4. New United Kingdom enters into association with European Union, which enables the next step, namely . . .
5. Republic of Ireland rejoins the Union, as separate unit from Northern Ireland, with the two co-operating via mutual compacts, device also open to other UK units.
6. New Union (consisting of Kingdom of Scotland, Principality of Wales, Republic of Ireland and Principality of Ulster) enters economic AND political negotiations with European Union AND Independent England.
7. England joins the New United Kingdom of the Isles, as 6 separate Dukedoms: Northumbria, Mercia, Anglia, Wussex, Thames (London) and - last but not least - Greater Cornwall. Note that, as with other UK basic units, the English Dukedoms will be free to enter into All-England compacts.
Problem with 2, Wales voted Leave, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted Remain, so they would divide over rejoining the EU straight away
Toyota announce that due to the travel bans it has decided to come to a controlled stop of production at Toyota manufacturing France and Toyota manufacturing Uk
Unionist desperation knows no bounds, tag team of the great clunking duffer and Bozo the Clown, independence will be at short odds for sure.
Seems you are going to have a longer wait for indy2 with Brown and Starmer teaming up and refusing to support it through the HOC
You seem to have got over your recent ‘blocking a referendum would be undemocratic’ spasm. Can we now expect you to participate in HYUFD’s baton wielding B Specials for the Union?
I don't think indyref2 is legally dependent on a House of Commons mandate. If you read the legal arguments for a referendum, regardless of what Westminster thinks, it seems reasonably strong.
Before anyone jumps in with 'that's what it says in law' I would point you to some of the complex arguments being advanced which may well by-pass Westminster.
If Westminster refuses one it would have as much effect as the Catalan referendum in defiance of Madrid, ie none
Spain is used to Franco authoritarianism.
Britain is a proud centuries old democracy.
If the mother of all Parliament's turns to Francoism then that would be to betray everything that is Great about Britain.
Wrong, Spain never even allowed Catalonia one legal independence vote.
Westminster allowed the Scots one in 2014, they voted 55% to stay in the UK in that 'once in a generation' referendum
Under British Parliamentary Democracy there is an overriding principle quite rightly that No Parliament can bind it's successors.
Whatever the Scottish voters elect in 2021 is their choice. Not yours. If that contradicts promises in 2014 so be it. That is why no Parliament can bind it's successors.
Either you respect democracy or you do not. Democracy is not a once in a generation event.
The Scottish referendum is in the sole purview of Westminster. It’s up to the Westminster parliament if they wish to grant it or not. They can take into account the composition of the Scottish Parliament if they do choose but it’s not the only factor
Har Har, imagine you supporting colonial rule in a supposedly equal union , who would have believed it.
Westminster is the combined parliaments of England & Scotland.
It would be “colonial rule” as you put it if it was an English Parliament telling Scotland what to do
Given that England cannot unilaterally leave the UK, and has no parliament to request a referendum, I'd say any inequality in this area is in Scotland's favour.
Cazort of Wisdom - How to Save the Union in Seven Simple Steps
1. England secedes from United Kingdom, which instantly becomes much more attractive to the Scots, Welsh and Irish of all persuasions.
2. Wales secedes from England, in order to remain IN the (Celtic) Union with Scotland and Northern Ireland
3. Scotland reaffirms it's commitment to a reformed, reconstituted Union, with HRH EIIR reigning in Edinburgh as Queen of the UK, and presiding in London as Head of the Commonwealth.
4. New United Kingdom enters into association with European Union, which enables the next step, namely . . .
5. Republic of Ireland rejoins the Union, as separate unit from Northern Ireland, with the two co-operating via mutual compacts, device also open to other UK units.
6. New Union (consisting of Kingdom of Scotland, Principality of Wales, Republic of Ireland and Principality of Ulster) enters economic AND political negotiations with European Union AND Independent England.
7. England joins the New United Kingdom of the Isles, as 6 separate Dukedoms: Northumbria, Mercia, Anglia, Wussex, Thames (London) and - last but not least - Greater Cornwall. Note that, as with other UK basic units, the English Dukedoms will be free to enter into All-England compacts.
Problem with 2, Wales voted Leave, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted Remain, so they would divide over rejoining the EU straight away
It's rather a contrived way to get a fully united UK pre 1921 (with a bit of extra Devo) back together and the EU.
We need a lot more rain over the next three months to avoid that, if reservoir levels round here are any guide.
The paddock in front of the house is waterlogged as is the back lawn, which is normally free draining. The storm drains were overflowing in Cowbridge today. We have probably had less than ten dry days since September, days when it hasn't rained for at least part of the day. Rain over the last week, save for Saturday has been of biblical proportions.
Why oh why, did people vote me out from my planned sundrenched retirement on the Mediterranean shores of the EU?
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
But there would have been a period before dissolution. And the political dynamic would have been utterly different then - with onluy the rUK trying to veto any rejoining of the Scots.
EEA or EFTA would have been pergectly possible, however.
And would it really have taken 6 years for an oven ready, potential member of the EU to be welcomed back? Perhaps that realignment would have produced the necessary period of contemplation & self analysis in the rUK/England that's so lacking at the moment.
Traitors! Gunboats! Enemies of the People!
Scotland wouldn’t have been ‘oven ready’ as it had no plans to have its own currency.
There's a bit of wishful thinking on the Scottish side here - someone's already mentioned it, but 2014 would have meant outside the EU with no currency of its own and a deficit in spending
What do you mean, ‘a bit?’ Look at all those claims about referendums, or the court systems, or currencies, or the EU. They’re becoming Farage on speed.
The bottom line is, Scotland could become independent. But it would be a nasty, complicated process that would take years to achieve and hugely disruptive and traumatic to go through. It would have every downside of Brexit, plus the currency problem, plus the lack of government infrastructure, plus a much larger trading relationship to sort out. And at every stage, Scotland would be the supplicant to a government in London that has already proven treacherous and nasty. And there would certainly be no guarantee of EU membership.
If the Scottish people feel that’s worth it, good luck to them. But nobody should lie to them that it will be easy.
I guess he'll have to start Trump TV if he has lost NewsMax.
I think Trump always prefers using other peoples' money.
As the Utterly humiliating settlement over the voting machines by NewsMax; Fox and OAN shows, once he is stripped of the protection of the presidency he is ripe for being hit by corporate law suits when he tries his conspiracy nonsense
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it
Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
To be fair to the EU (not something you'll hear me say often) but a 30% haircut is a pretty massive one for them - even if over 5 years, after a 5 year transition - whilst we triple our share. It will cause them some hardship.
A total UK share of c.35% of our waters seems fair though when you consider Denmark, Netherlands, France and Spain and Norway all fish in the North sea and around us. And we must all play nicely, share and be generous to each other.
The 10% shit sandwich Heath gave us in 1972 wasn't though so it corrects an injustice and hopefully allows us to all move on in a sustainable manner.
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
Will the German car makers and the Prosecco bottlers of Italy also be getting a bit shirty?
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it
Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
We leave the EU in eleven days.....We've been banned from most of Europe....and the new variant Covid is mutating at the speed of a forest fire.....
Boris has presided over a shitstorm! Theresa May must be laughing herself senseless.
Leaving the EU with a deal and the travel bans will see further bans across individual countries in the EU as they have not been as successful in identifying the mutant strain which is already present in their own countries, and nobody is laughing themselves senseless
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
Will the German car makers and the Prosecco bottlers of Italy also be getting a bit shirty?
I expect most of those EU companies trapped either side of the channel will be furious if this is not settled in hours
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it
Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
There isn't. France has the right to close its borders for matters of health and security. They did it following the Bataclan and Stad de France terrorist attacks as well. Same for every other country. The EU has no power in this issue.
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it
Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
Said European body existed during the BSE crisis.
France banned British beef years ahead of said Europe-wide body, and retained an illegal ban years after said-Europe wide body remove its own ban.
Said European body tool no effective action in the first instance, and took 5-6 years to enforce effectively after the second.
The EU remains an irreformable pig in a poke, and we remain better off out. IMO.
I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
And Irish.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it
Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
Said European body existed during the BSE crisis.
France banned British beef years ahead of said Europe-wide body, and retained an illegal ban years after said-Europe wide body remove its own ban.
Said European body tool no effective action in the first instance, and took 5-6 years to enforce effectively after the second.
The EU remains an irreformable pig in a poke, and we remain better off out. IMO.
Not forgetting that 60% of all known cases of BSE were in er, France.
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https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1341114811762028544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6OHD2uCpfU
Brilliant ......... .
Toyota announce that due to the travel bans it has decided to come to a controlled stop of production at Toyota manufacturing France and Toyota manufacturing Uk
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341138409092509696
I guess he'll have to start Trump TV if he has lost NewsMax.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1341110647279538176?s=20
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1341111810485854209?s=20
Creative, though.
Why oh why, did people vote me out from my planned sundrenched retirement on the Mediterranean shores of the EU?
There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.
The Waverly line needs to be extended through Hawick and then onwards to Langholm, Canonbie, Longtown, Carlisle.
The old line went via Newcastleton with Langholm on a extended spur but that is utterly impractical these days.
Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
I'm up for it but it will cost Uber uber. And it's tough old terrain - it really is.
Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
A total UK share of c.35% of our waters seems fair though when you consider Denmark, Netherlands, France and Spain and Norway all fish in the North sea and around us. And we must all play nicely, share and be generous to each other.
The 10% shit sandwich Heath gave us in 1972 wasn't though so it corrects an injustice and hopefully allows us to all move on in a sustainable manner.
Boris has presided over a shitstorm! Theresa May must be laughing herself senseless.
We're all going to be fine, people.
France banned British beef years ahead of said Europe-wide body, and retained an illegal ban years after said-Europe wide body remove its own ban.
Said European body tool no effective action in the first instance, and took 5-6 years to enforce effectively after the second.
The EU remains an irreformable pig in a poke, and we remain better off out. IMO.