Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
cant see why you would be nervous on that.
Biden has one the popular and has won the EC.
The rest is just you winding yourself up
The anger isn't necessarily about him possibly overturning the result. It is the damage he is doing in the meantime
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
There's usually a wide range of differing opinions on this site, so I just want to do a quick reality check - is there anyone who doesn't think this kind of comment from HYUFD is completely out of order?
It is the most revolting comment I have read on this site for some time. As a Scot it made me boil with rage, and my first reaction was to post something extremely intemperate. But once the red mist subsided I decided it was much more productive to store the rage for use later. It is also a useful reminder that the modern Tory party is not only an enemy of Scotland, but an enemy to democracy.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
There's usually a wide range of differing opinions on this site, so I just want to do a quick reality check - is there anyone who doesn't think this kind of comment from HYUFD is completely out of order?
It is the most revolting comment I have read on this site for some time. As a Scot it made me boil with rage, and my first reaction was to post something extremely intemperate. But once the red mist subsided I decided it was much more productive to store the rage for use later. It is also a useful reminder that the modern Tory party is not only an enemy of Scotland, but an enemy to democracy.
Scottish nationalists are determined to destroy my sovereign country, if you and them dislike their every whim not being conceded to tough and all to the good
You're in the wrong party, sport..
'According to YouGov polling 20% of voters for the Conservative and Unionist Party would be pleased to see Scotland independent and 29% would not be bothered if it happened. A total of 49% are unfazed by the prospect of Scottish independence. Only a minority of Tory voters (48%) would be upset. That means Tories are more sympathetic to Scottish independence than the average voter. When asked how they would feel about Scotland leaving, only 15% of English people and 16% of Welsh people saying they would be pleased to see the back of Scotland.
Ironically, given the party leadership’s staunch pro-union stance, it is Tory voters who are the most likely to say they would be pleased for Scotland to break away (apart from SNP voters of course). 59% of Labour voters support the union…'
So 48% of Tory voters would be upset if Scotland left the Union and only 20% would be pleased, thanks for the confirmation.
However given the endless rants and whinging from nats like you it is no surprise a higher 49% of Tory voters would be upset if Northern Ireland left the Union with only 8% pleased and a much higher 59% of Tory voters would be upset if Wales left the Union and only 4% pleased
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
There's usually a wide range of differing opinions on this site, so I just want to do a quick reality check - is there anyone who doesn't think this kind of comment from HYUFD is completely out of order?
It is the most revolting comment I have read on this site for some time. As a Scot it made me boil with rage, and my first reaction was to post something extremely intemperate. But once the red mist subsided I decided it was much more productive to store the rage for use later. It is also a useful reminder that the modern Tory party is not only an enemy of Scotland, but an enemy to democracy.
Scottish nationalists are determined to destroy my sovereign country, if you and them dislike their every whim not being conceded to tough and all to the good
Why do you want to be in a union with a country you neither like nor understand?
I have called out HYUFD multiple times for his obnoxious, even revolting views on this subject, and it is time these views were reported to CCHQ in view of his position in the party, as they are so divisive and do not represent the view of the vast majority of decent moderate conservatives
My wife and I have lived with the prospect of Scottish Independence for near the 80 years we have been on this planet and we have always been steadfastly pro the union but I expect, indeed support a second reference if the SNP receive a mandate next May, but do also support the concept of the referendum and a confirmatory referendum once the terms are agreed
I will also watch with great interest how Joe Biden reacts to the idea that Scotland may leave the Union
Wrong, they are official party policy, ie 2014 was a once in a generation referendum, it is you by agreeing to give the SNP an independence referendum next year who are disagreeing with official policy as affirmed only a few days ago by the Secretary of State for Scotland that 2014 was a 'once in a generation' vote, though of course if Unionists can get a Holyrood majority next year that would be best of all
What is wrong is your obnoxious attitude to this and by implication driving the very thing you say you do not want
You are a real threat to the union and indeed to sensible moderate conservatives who are ashamed by you
Big G you aren't a Conservative. You want the current leader of the Conservative Party to stand down. At a later date.
Anytime will be fine by me
Relieved that you have seen the error of your ways.
I have always been able to moderate my opinions and hence even voting for Blair but of course that was treason in HYUFD's eyes so I can no longer be a proper conservative. (in his warped view}
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
There's usually a wide range of differing opinions on this site, so I just want to do a quick reality check - is there anyone who doesn't think this kind of comment from HYUFD is completely out of order?
It’s not out of order, it’s short sighted, it displays arrogance and self belief beyond normal but it’s not offensive or factually incorrect.
It is offensive and factually incorrect to suggest that SNP politicians could be arrested or have legislators arbitrarily removed.
HYUFD wants Sturgeon arrested for "sedition" except there is no law against sedition. Sedition is legal.
So factually incorrect. Can't be arrested for something that isn't against the law.
Technically treason is against the law, with a maximum sentence of life in prison under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998
Seeking independence isn't Treason though! I literally gave you the list of offences that are defined as Treason.
Attempting to murder Her Majesty: Treason Engaging Politics: Not Treason
Killing the Lord High Chancellor: Treason Taking part in elections: Not Treason
Wikipedia says the last UK trial for treason was Lord Haw Haw in 1946.
But he wasn't a UK csubject, was he, so it was a bit dodgy, no?
Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
cant see why you would be nervous on that.
Biden has one the popular and has won the EC.
The rest is just you winding yourself up
The anger isn't necessarily about him possibly overturning the result. It is the damage he is doing in the meantime
What damage ? He can huff and puff a bit but a new Prez always clears the Augean Stables. when he arrives. The only thing thats durable is the SC.
This is no different than the brainsless hysteria when Trump won in 2016 and otherwise sensible people were forecasting World War 3 or a Russian takeover of the USA or the removal of freedom from US citizens or etc....
Trump is a serial narcissist and as has been pointed out downstream , those bigging up his power are simply pandering to his ego.
The emails show that Susan Pompeo routinely gives instructions to State Department officials from her personal email address about everything from travel plans and restaurant reservations to the elite Madison Dinners that NBC News reported on in May.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
There's usually a wide range of differing opinions on this site, so I just want to do a quick reality check - is there anyone who doesn't think this kind of comment from HYUFD is completely out of order?
It’s not out of order, it’s short sighted, it displays arrogance and self belief beyond normal but it’s not offensive or factually incorrect.
It is offensive and factually incorrect to suggest that SNP politicians could be arrested or have legislators arbitrarily removed.
HYUFD wants Sturgeon arrested for "sedition" except there is no law against sedition. Sedition is legal.
So factually incorrect. Can't be arrested for something that isn't against the law.
Technically treason is against the law, with a maximum sentence of life in prison under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998
Seeking independence isn't Treason though! I literally gave you the list of offences that are defined as Treason.
Attempting to murder Her Majesty: Treason Engaging Politics: Not Treason
Killing the Lord High Chancellor: Treason Taking part in elections: Not Treason
Wikipedia says the last UK trial for treason was Lord Haw Haw in 1946.
Most of what was once defined as Treason has now been abolished from that offence. Now it's pretty much just down to crimes against the monarch etc. Or literally fighting against the country.
Politics is neither. Sturgeon can't be arrested for treason or sedition as the former she hasn't done and the latter is legal.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
cant see why you would be nervous on that.
Biden has one the popular and has won the EC.
The rest is just you winding yourself up
The anger isn't necessarily about him possibly overturning the result. It is the damage he is doing in the meantime
Exactly. The result will stand. Biden takes over on 20 Jan. So in that sense this will not work. I've piled on the 1.09.
But it will work to seed mass unrest and distrust in the democratic system. It's palpably dangerous and highly reprehensible. Anyone sanguine about it - or even worse supportive - has rather lost their way.
Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
cant see why you would be nervous on that.
Biden has one the popular and has won the EC.
The rest is just you winding yourself up
The anger isn't necessarily about him possibly overturning the result. It is the damage he is doing in the meantime
What damage ? He can huff and puff a bit but a new Prez always clears the Augean Stables. when he arrives. The only thing thats durable is the SC.
This is no different than the brainsless hysteria when Trump won in 2016 and otherwise sensible people were forecasting World War 3 or a Russian takeover of the USA or the removal of freedom from US citizens or etc....
Trump is a serial narcissist and as has been pointed out downstream , those bigging up his power are simply pandering to his ego.
Best ignore.
The concerning thing is the Senate. Trump has packed many institutions with extreme partisans and Biden can't clear the Augean stables if the GOP play silly buggers on confirmations which is Mitch's playbook.
In one way losing the Senate after 2 years would be much less concerning than never having it as you can get what you need to get done before the midterms.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
"Flagship UK Government Hub in Edinburgh named ‘Queen Elizabeth House’
The new Hub, located near Waverley Station in the heart of Edinburgh, is a seven storey, 190,000 square feet, ultra-modern office space. It will bring together nearly 3,000 UK Government civil servants from a range of UK Government departments.The keys to the building were formally handed over to the UK Government on 13 June 2019, and staff will be begin moving in from Spring next year.
Mr Mundell said:
I am absolutely delighted that Her Majesty has agreed to the naming of the new UK Government Hub in Edinburgh as ‘Queen Elizabeth House’.
The Royal title is hugely fitting, given the Hub will be the focus of the UK Government’s work in Scotland, hosting 10 UK Government departments.
The building will contain a dedicated Cabinet room, the first of its kind outside of London, and I very much look forward to inviting the Cabinet to meet in the building once it is open for business.
I am very grateful to Her Majesty for acknowledging the importance of the building by conferring the Royal title.
The Hub will improve the work of the UK Government, helping it deliver better services for people across Scotland. It will enable closer collaboration between departments, smarter working, and use of the latest technology.
The Edinburgh Hub is a great example of the UK Government’s extensive support for the capital’s economy – which we are also driving through the ambitious Edinburgh and South East Scotland Growth Deal.
HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is delivering the Edinburgh Hub on behalf of the UK Government, and will be the largest department based there when the first teams start to move in from April 2020.
Working with the Government Property Agency (GPA), HMRC has been at the cutting edge of delivering the UK Government’s Hub strategy and is playing a leading role on delivering this programme for the UK Government, enabling closer working between UK Government departments.
Departments to be located in the Edinburgh Hub include: HMRC, the Competition and Markets Authority, the Office of the Secretary of State for Scotland, the Office of the Advocate General for Scotland, the Office for Statistics Regulation, the Information Commissioner’s Office, the Health and Safety Executive, the Office for Statistics Regulation, the Government Actuary’s Department, the Cabinet Office and HM Treasury. It is due to open in March 2020 on a 25 year lease."
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
FT has reported that £43billion has been spent on moonshot quick covid tests.
Sounds astonishing. Theyd better bloody work, and add to effective response then.
Given the accuracy of the FT these days...
On one occasion they published a three sentence announcement, relating to a company I was working with. There was a major mistake in every single sentence. Not opinion - objective facts. Such as which bank was involved.
Someone couldn't even copy & pasta from a press release.
Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
cant see why you would be nervous on that.
Biden has one the popular and has won the EC.
The rest is just you winding yourself up
The anger isn't necessarily about him possibly overturning the result. It is the damage he is doing in the meantime
Exactly. The result will stand. Biden takes over on 20 Jan. So in that sense this will not work. I've piled on the 1.09.
But it will work to seed mass unrest and distrust in the democratic system. It's palpably dangerous and highly reprehensible. Anyone sanguine about it - or even worse supportive - has rather lost their way.
FT has reported that £43billion has been spent on moonshot quick covid tests.
Why ? That is an insane amount.
Aren't we still in the pilot phase?
Might as well bung £50b to the WASPI women whilst they're at it.
Yeah, the article mentions a tender process. I guess this is a projection of how much will be or may be spent, rather than how much has already been spent.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
You have to win with the system you have not the one you want. It is her responsibility as the candidate that for whatever reason she failed to win under that system.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
So if you don't like the "award winning" scheme, blame the architects and [checks notes] Labour/SNP Council.
No opinion re architecture. The colour scheme is a later addon - temporary therefore not covered by planning law, AIUI. But the reason I posted it was not to express an aesthetic view per se (other than the dissonance with Enlightenment Edinburgh) but because it indicates the mindset of tyhe UK Gmt and the likelihood of which of @Stocky 's options (or neither) it might pursue.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
Yes it is her fault.
She was born and grew up in the USA. She understands it's a federation of states and not a unitary state.
So she needed to campaign in the swing states but spent more time in California than Pennsylvania. Biden virtually camped himself in Pennsylvania.
The person who ignore PA lost it narrowly, the person who campaigned there won it. Entirely fair and within the rules.
Her fault she lost. She knew the rules.
Claiming Hillary should have won the Presidency in 2016 because she got more votes nationwide, ignoring the states results, is like saying Man City should have won last season as they scored more goals, ignoring the match results.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
FT has reported that £43billion has been spent on moonshot quick covid tests.
That's over £600 a throw, even assuming everyone in the country gets one eventually.
A single lat flow test bought online is £399 or less, without a seven-digit economy of scale.
Sounds like a good bit of business.
If I were to guess this is planning for the worst re: vaccines. In that situation they'd want everyone to be testing all the time. So it wouldn't be £600 a pop, because you'd be doing this a hundred times a year.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
You have to win with the system you have not the one you want. It is her responsibility as the candidate that for whatever reason she failed to win under that system.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
FT has reported that £43billion has been spent on moonshot quick covid tests.
1/3 of the annual budget of the NHS....surely that can't be right. Or is it the potential cost of running it for continuously for 1-2 years, if everybody getting a test every week.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
FT has reported that £43billion has been spent on moonshot quick covid tests.
Sounds astonishing. Theyd better bloody work, and add to effective response then.
Given the accuracy of the FT these days...
On one occasion they published a three sentence announcement, relating to a company I was working with. There was a major mistake in every single sentence. Not opinion - objective facts. Such as which bank was involved.
Someone couldn't even copy & pasta from a press release.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
FT has reported that £43billion has been spent on moonshot quick covid tests.
That's over £600 a throw, even assuming everyone in the country gets one eventually.
A single lat flow test bought online is £399 or less, without a seven-digit economy of scale.
Sounds like a good bit of business.
If I were to guess this is planning for the worst re: vaccines. In that situation they'd want everyone to be testing all the time. So it wouldn't be £600 a pop, because you'd be doing this a hundred times a year.
The other thing to consider in this, is the extreme reaction to widespread testing in some quarters. Just google around - every time the idea of mass testing is mentioned, up pop people from PHE and elsewhere, who are nearly religiously opposed to it.
And, to be fair, unconceded until all legal options were exhausted once it was known it would be that close.
But the main point is that no recount is going to overturn Biden's wins in any of the above. Only counting all the votes has any chance of overturning any of them (probably only AZ). So ultimately, all these challenges are pointless at best, and malevolent and dangerous if they are pretext for illegal actions to come.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
Yep. In any case it was a Labour/SNP council which gave it planning permission.
Colopur scheme was later.
So we've gone from "The UK government built a monstrous building" to "they put a flag in the window"?
That (latter) is exacvtly what I said in the first place - but left the viewed to consider the nature of the flag in its wider urban environment and political context.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Of course they are because it's a pack of lies.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Have you got the details on who's lodged all this with the Supreme Court yet?
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
You have to win with the system you have not the one you want. It is her responsibility as the candidate that for whatever reason she failed to win under that system.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
Indeed, the Republican lean in places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin looks like it's going to be pretty much the same in 2020 as in 2016. So if the argument is that Clinton was rubbish because she underperformed in those states compared to nationally, as many have repeatedly claimed for 4 years, then Biden might be equally rubbish. At best you could argue he might have arrested the trend for those states to lean a bit more Republican as happened in the previous 2 elections, but once all the votes have been counted maybe not even that. FWIW Ohio looks like it's leaning even more Republican than last time.
Very easy to forget that at some point in the early 30s Hitler looked like a busted flush. He had already laid enough groundwork by then however to come back when conditions turned.
I fear for America and the World in 4 years time unless some sanity can return to the GOP. Because the groundwork will already be there. (and emboldened by the 'belief' that the Democrats have won an election on the back of fraudulent activity, even if they can't find the evidence, i wouldn't be confident that there won't be high scale discussions about how Republicans can't start putting in place 'hidden' fraud themselves...)
My mother grew up in nearby Danziug/Gdansk at the time, and her father worked in Berlin. The parallels are importamt to keep in mind but are not that close. Germany was riddled with paramilitary forces before Hitler took over, and the Nazi regime was able to incorporate and build on them. The Proud Boys and similar groups are trivial by comparison. The will to have a coup does seem to exist among some extreme Trumpists, but the infratructure for it really isn't there, and the pull to normal process is very strong and will I think roll Biden into the White House without very much trouble.
In 4 years, with Trump campaigning non-stop, his own TV channel, etc., and possibly sustained post-pandemic economic difficulty, that may be different.So the threat shouldn't be simply shrugged off. But it's probably not imminent.
I'd tend to agree with that assessment, but with the proviso that a coup is not impossible at all. One route is the provocation of localised violence, and the deployment of military force to 'control' things. As you say, the pull to normal process is very strong, in the military too, but it is not hard to imagine possible scenarios which tip things the other way.
Despite Trump having lost the election the left on PB now appear to be suffering from PTSD
... which causes them to want election results to stand.
cant see why you would be nervous on that.
Biden has one the popular and has won the EC.
The rest is just you winding yourself up
The anger isn't necessarily about him possibly overturning the result. It is the damage he is doing in the meantime
What damage ? He can huff and puff a bit but a new Prez always clears the Augean Stables. when he arrives. The only thing thats durable is the SC.
This is no different than the brainsless hysteria when Trump won in 2016 and otherwise sensible people were forecasting World War 3 or a Russian takeover of the USA or the removal of freedom from US citizens or etc....
Trump is a serial narcissist and as has been pointed out downstream , those bigging up his power are simply pandering to his ego.
Best ignore.
I agree that ignoring him is optimal. It should have been the approach in 2015 when he announced his run. The absurdity of his presidency would then not have come to pass. But that horse has bolted. He's now a serious political force adored by a big chunk of the country. His power is real and we see him here using it in a way that is utterly toxic. That's a worry. It's a worry even if - like me - you are certain the election result will stand and he will be out on Jan 20th.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
You have to win with the system you have not the one you want. It is her responsibility as the candidate that for whatever reason she failed to win under that system.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
Indeed, the Republican lean in places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin looks like it's going to be pretty much the same in 2020 as in 2016. So if the argument is that Clinton was rubbish because she underperformed in those states compared to nationally, as many have repeatedly claimed for 4 years, then Biden might be equally rubbish. At best you could argue he might have arrested the trend for those states to lean a bit more Republican as happened in the previous 2 elections, but once all the votes have been counted maybe not even that. FWIW Ohio looks like it's leaning even more Republican than last time.
Clinton neglected the swing states and lost. Biden campaigned in the swing states and won.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Of course they are because it's a pack of lies.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
Ok you know already that it is all lies, despite not knowing what the allegations are. Move along, nothing to see here.
And, to be fair, unconceded until all legal options were exhausted once it was known it would be that close.
But the main point is that no recount is going to overturn Biden's wins in any of the above. Only counting all the votes has any chance of overturning any of them (probably only AZ). So ultimately, all these challenges are pointless at best, and malevolent and dangerous if they are pretext for illegal actions to come.
Biden lead over Trump has now shrunk to little more than 12K in AZ which is a big drop (relatively) in the past several hours.
As you said, he has the right to challenge, it is when it tips over to illegal behaviour that things become dangerous.
And, to be fair, unconceded until all legal options were exhausted once it was known it would be that close.
But the main point is that no recount is going to overturn Biden's wins in any of the above. Only counting all the votes has any chance of overturning any of them (probably only AZ). So ultimately, all these challenges are pointless at best, and malevolent and dangerous if they are pretext for illegal actions to come.
Biden lead over Trump has now shrunk to little more than 12K in AZ which is a big drop (relatively) in the past several hours.
As you said, he has the right to challenge, it is when it tips over to illegal behaviour that things become dangerous.
Actually 12.8K in AZ but still a drop of a few thousand from where it was last night.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
You have to win with the system you have not the one you want. It is her responsibility as the candidate that for whatever reason she failed to win under that system.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
I agree that that is the system and Clinton needed to win in the right states.
That doesn't alter the fact she got more votes than Trump in 2016 and I was pointing that out in response to Alanbrooke's assertion that "nobody trusted her".
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
You have to win with the system you have not the one you want. It is her responsibility as the candidate that for whatever reason she failed to win under that system.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
Indeed, the Republican lean in places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin looks like it's going to be pretty much the same in 2020 as in 2016. So if the argument is that Clinton was rubbish because she underperformed in those states compared to nationally, as many have repeatedly claimed for 4 years, then Biden might be equally rubbish. At best you could argue he might have arrested the trend for those states to lean a bit more Republican as happened in the previous 2 elections, but once all the votes have been counted maybe not even that. FWIW Ohio looks like it's leaning even more Republican than last time.
Still lots of votes to come in I think - NY CD 3 is currently going GOP - the deepest potential gain anywhere. But postals will Dem it I think.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
I agree that one must not subvert the mechanisms and processes of a democratic country based on the rule of law. Nor should one, at this point, reflexively stoop to going after those signing affidavits. Rather, we should rely on the legal system to decide which of those statements are probatory for the purposes of deciding if their has been any election fraud and, if so, if it were on a scale sufficient to change the outcome of the election.
And if those signing the affidavits are shown to have made things up, they should then be charged with perjury; and if the lawyers bringing suit knew this, then the full weight of the law against those bringing frivolous suit should be used against them, to the point of lifelong disbarment.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
You'll have to have a word with HMG's pr guys, they seem to think they've 'delivered' it.
'HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is delivering the Edinburgh Hub on behalf of the UK Government, and will be the largest department based there when the first teams start to move in from April 2020.'
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Of course they are because it's a pack of lies.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
Ok you know already that it is all lies, despite not knowing what the allegations are. Move along, nothing to see here.
Meanwhile the plebs aren't buying the narrative.
It's been made public. You can read it rather than insinuate.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh.
Did they design and build it themselves? Or just found a suitable office space that they could occupy.
The UK Government Hub is part of the award-winning New Waverley development delivered by Artisan Real Estate Investors. As well as the Hub, it includes three hotels, the Arches, shops and 150 homes, in a new quarter set round a public square. It is one of the UK’s most important city-centre regeneration sites, located in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh’s Old Town. The area is also home to Edinburgh City Council, several international finance companies and the British Council.
You'll have to have a word with HMG's pr guys, they seem to think they've 'delivered' it.
'HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is delivering the Edinburgh Hub on behalf of the UK Government, and will be the largest department based there when the first teams start to move in from April 2020.'
Well that is easily contradicted by the timeline of events. Once they decided to lease it I'm sure they worked closely on getting it ready to be occupied. That doesn't mean it was built by HMG.
Biden could shut this down by calling for a full audit of the votes in the disputed states.
If there is no fraud he will be totally vindicated and it will well and truly be the end of Trump.
Or of course Trump & Co could accept the clear result of a clearly free and fair election.
This would also "shut it down" and tbf is what usually happens in a democracy.
Hillary could have done so in 2016 by saying the Russia claims were baseless but didn't.
As you said, this usually happens in a democracy so I am glad you recognise HRC was in the wrong back then.
But the Russians *did* interfere with the 2016 election.
Like, there's the Mueller Report, the Senate Intelligence Committee Report and the tweets of the Trumps saying they totally setup meetings with Russians so they could do some colluding.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
I didn't say they were lying I said that for all we know they are lying. These are not people simply coming forward they are people being encouraged to make allegations by the Trump campaign.
I am happy to see the evidence and see how far they get in the courts. So far everything the Trump campaign has come up with has been thrown out by GOP and Dem judges alike.
I am unaware that the postal worker who lied about his allegations hasn't recanted - could you please provide a link to that. I can't see any video
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
They agreed in 2017 to lease an office that had been given planning permission in 2013by a Labour/SNP council
Take it up with them.
Inj other words, the colour scheme did not have polanning permission.
The argument seems to have moved on a bit. I thought it was the architecture that you were complaining about?
Not complaining but drawing attention to the flag and its implications. It was Ms Carla who thought it was about architecture and procurement.
You said
"UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh."
Ah, see what you mean, thanks. Ambiguity there. I didn't mean the architecture of the building itself, sorry.
Now I see that myself. The building itself looks fine, if modern!
It is an interesting "development", so to speak, politically - prime and expensive space in the Nor' Loch valley, between Holyrood Parliament and St Andrew House, with quick access to the SCS offices at Leith, as well as to London by air and rail.
This isn't specifically project moonshot, it is buying a massive array of equipment and services for the next 4 years, not just covid or rapid covid testing.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
For me there are two ways the government could go: 1) stick to its guns that there will be no further referendum until a generation has elapsed, or 2) commence work NOW with the Scottish government to agree a deal for Scotland in event that it splits away - and then put this deal to referendum.
They agreed in 2017 to lease an office that had been given planning permission in 2013by a Labour/SNP council
Take it up with them.
Inj other words, the colour scheme did not have polanning permission.
The argument seems to have moved on a bit. I thought it was the architecture that you were complaining about?
Not complaining but drawing attention to the flag and its implications. It was Ms Carla who thought it was about architecture and procurement.
You said
"UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh."
Ah, see what you mean, thanks. Ambiguity there. I didn't mean the architecture of the building itself, sorry.
Now I see that myself. The building itself looks fine, if modern!
Queen Elizabeth House, New Waverley Office wins the Innovation Award. The 265,000 ft2 commercial office was built on a former Brownfield site as part of a mixed-use scheme in Edinburgh’s UNESCO World Heritage area. Six floors of office space are split over two buildings, linked on three levels by a large fully glazed ‘bridge’. The judges felt unanimously that Queen Elizabeth House was a worthy winner of the Innovation Award, not only because of its commercial success in attracting a dedicated single occupier, but also due to the undeniable contribution that QEH makes as the cornerstone of the New Waverley Quarter.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Of course they are because it's a pack of lies.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
Ok you know already that it is all lies, despite not knowing what the allegations are. Move along, nothing to see here.
Meanwhile the plebs aren't buying the narrative.
It's boy who cried wolf syndrome. Once a dozen cases have already been dismissed as baseless why wouldn't we assume the next one by the same people is equally baseless.
What reason do you have to think they're not baseless?
And, to be fair, unconceded until all legal options were exhausted once it was known it would be that close.
But the main point is that no recount is going to overturn Biden's wins in any of the above. Only counting all the votes has any chance of overturning any of them (probably only AZ). So ultimately, all these challenges are pointless at best, and malevolent and dangerous if they are pretext for illegal actions to come.
Biden lead over Trump has now shrunk to little more than 12K in AZ which is a big drop (relatively) in the past several hours.
As you said, he has the right to challenge, it is when it tips over to illegal behaviour that things become dangerous.
Actually 12.8K in AZ but still a drop of a few thousand from where it was last night.
Having burned up a lot of uncounted votes though – Trump was nowhere near the ratio he needed so the overnight returns were very good news for Biden.
The distance that Fox News and Murdoch are putting in from Trump's fraud claims now might turn out to be crucial. He is the Fox President, and other outlets can't really replace it for him, or have anything like its reach among his core supporters.
Who would have thought Murdoch might save democracy, having done so much to damage it.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Of course they are because it's a pack of lies.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
It's crazy. Ill believe Trump when evidence backs him up, I care more about electoral processes than the victor, but 'lots of people say it' is not evidence in itself.
Funny how the media don't seem very interested in other European countries performance during this second wave....the fact Germany said they can't track 75% of cases, not important for any context on just how much of an impossible job manual track and trace is. How many cases, how many tests etc compared to the UK rarely gets much of a mention these days.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
I didn't say they were lying I said that for all we know they are lying. These are not people simply coming forward they are people being encouraged to make allegations by the Trump campaign.
I am happy to see the evidence and see how far they get in the courts. So far everything the Trump campaign has come up with has been thrown out by GOP and Dem judges alike.
I am unaware that the postal worker who lied about his allegations hasn't recanted - could you please provide a link to that. I can't see any video
This isn't specifically project moonshot, it is buying a massive array of equipment and services for the next 4 years, not just covid or rapid covid testing.
One for HYFUD Alister Jack was 'joking' when he ruled out indyref2 for 40 years
The Secretary of State for Scotland said he only mentioned the four decade wait for a new vote because the BBC journalist interviewing him had “raised an eyebrow”. Obviously had Govid20 on the blower remonstrating at him upsetting the applecart. Rough wooing indeed.
Well, HYUFD thoroughly approves of Henry VIII's approach to things anyway.
If the government really wanted to get tough with the nationalists it could do what Beijing is doing this morning where it is removing legislators from the Hong Kong legislature for questioning Beijing's authority, or it could have done what Madrid did in Catalonia in 2017 where it refused to allow any independence referendum, suspended the Catalan Parliament and arrested Catalan nationalist leaders.
Nationalists should thank themselves lucky they have already had one independence vote and the government is merely saying it will not grant another one until a generation has elapsed
There's usually a wide range of differing opinions on this site, so I just want to do a quick reality check - is there anyone who doesn't think this kind of comment from HYUFD is completely out of order?
It is the most revolting comment I have read on this site for some time. As a Scot it made me boil with rage, and my first reaction was to post something extremely intemperate. But once the red mist subsided I decided it was much more productive to store the rage for use later. It is also a useful reminder that the modern Tory party is not only an enemy of Scotland, but an enemy to democracy.
Scottish nationalists are determined to destroy my sovereign country, if you and them dislike their every whim not being conceded to tough and all to the good
Settle down HYUFD, when we become independent in the next few years you will still live in a largely unchanged England and I will live in a Scotland free to make its own arrangements with the EU and no longer hosting UK nuclear weapons 30 miles from our biggest city. We will still trade with each other and go on holiday in each other's countries. Your "sovereign country" will not be destroyed so don't be so apocalyptic.
Ronna McDaniel, Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC), told FOX News commentator Sean Hannity that she has 234 pages containing 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
Oh well, it's all over. Better cooly and objectively award this one to Trump.
It is quite "amusing" (for want of a better and far more appropriate word) how many instinctive Trumpists on here seem to think that we should be impressed by claims of "evidence" of widespread fraud etc from hardcore Trump and GOP loyalists (in this case making the claims on Hannity's show no less - I'm sure he would have gone out of his way and an impartial journalist to challenge the validity of her evidence!)
We've got to the point where 500 peoples' eye witness accounts don't actually count for anything if they benefit Trump.
You certainly can't take them at face value.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
He hasn't recanted at all, see the video I posted down thread of him saying he hasn't, despite the FBI on tape threatening him.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
Of course they are because it's a pack of lies.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
Ok you know already that it is all lies, despite not knowing what the allegations are. Move along, nothing to see here.
Meanwhile the plebs aren't buying the narrative.
I'm confused - is the aim to convince the 'plebs' or the (Supreme) Court.
Biden looked doddery even then...... I'm really not sure he's going to make the distance,
Trump was elected in 2016 because he wasn't Clinton. Biden was elected in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
And the big difference between Clinton and Biden?
Politically they were both top members of Obamas administration. If Biden had run in 2016 his program would have been similar to Clinton's.
Clinton probably has a better record than Biden, though for sure both can be criticised.
Scandals : Clinton used the Clinton private server for government emails - which broke rules and reflects badly on her, but nowhere near as bad as the (admittedly fairly run of the mill) Hunter Biden influence peddling.
Clinton was a bit younger.
So I'm wondering what the big disadvantage Clinton had as a candidate. Can't think of any other blindingly obvious differences between them.
Except for the obvious....
Nobody trusted her ?
and yet she still polled more votes than Trump
but in all the wrong places
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
Yes it is her fault.
She was born and grew up in the USA. She understands it's a federation of states and not a unitary state.
So she needed to campaign in the swing states but spent more time in California than Pennsylvania. Biden virtually camped himself in Pennsylvania.
The person who ignore PA lost it narrowly, the person who campaigned there won it. Entirely fair and within the rules.
Her fault she lost. She knew the rules.
Claiming Hillary should have won the Presidency in 2016 because she got more votes nationwide, ignoring the states results, is like saying Man City should have won last season as they scored more goals, ignoring the match results.
Not just more goals. A better goal difference too. Doesn't technically matter, as you say, but it is nice if the champions are top on those stats too. Goals are very important in football. Indeed it's hard to imagine the game without them.
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http://newwaverley.com/artisan-hands-over-uk-government-hub-at-new-waverley/
And even when President he will have no direct control of the electoral process. Just like Trump....
This would also "shut it down" and tbf is what usually happens in a democracy.
However given the endless rants and whinging from nats like you it is no surprise a higher 49% of Tory voters would be upset if Northern Ireland left the Union with only 8% pleased and a much higher 59% of Tory voters would be upset if Wales left the Union and only 4% pleased
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/09/07/how-do-english-and-welsh-people-feel-about-scotlan
That is an insane amount.
At this point Biden is well within his rights to go scorched earth on Trump supporters.
This is no different than the brainsless hysteria when Trump won in 2016 and otherwise sensible people were forecasting World War 3 or a Russian takeover of the USA or the removal of freedom from US citizens or etc....
Trump is a serial narcissist and as has been pointed out downstream , those bigging up his power are simply pandering to his ego.
Best ignore.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/emails-show-how-pompeos-mixed-personal-official-business-n1245182
Politics is neither. Sturgeon can't be arrested for treason or sedition as the former she hasn't done and the latter is legal.
For example the main allegation in Erie County Pennsylvania was retracted last night by the person that made it. For all we know all we have is 500 lying Trump supporters trying to do their bit for the liar-in-chief. .
Investigate them by all means but save your anger for if and when they are substantiated. Up till that point stop spreading Trumpton lies and misinformation as though they are facts.
Might as well bung £50b to the WASPI women whilst they're at it.
But it will work to seed mass unrest and distrust in the democratic system. It's palpably dangerous and highly reprehensible. Anyone sanguine about it - or even worse supportive - has rather lost their way.
In one way losing the Senate after 2 years would be much less concerning than never having it as you can get what you need to get done before the midterms.
Your own link:
"Flagship UK Government Hub in Edinburgh named ‘Queen Elizabeth House’
The new Hub, located near Waverley Station in the heart of Edinburgh, is a seven storey, 190,000 square feet, ultra-modern office space. It will bring together nearly 3,000 UK Government civil servants from a range of UK Government departments.The keys to the building were formally handed over to the UK Government on 13 June 2019, and staff will be begin moving in from Spring next year.
Mr Mundell said:
I am absolutely delighted that Her Majesty has agreed to the naming of the new UK Government Hub in Edinburgh as ‘Queen Elizabeth House’.
The Royal title is hugely fitting, given the Hub will be the focus of the UK Government’s work in Scotland, hosting 10 UK Government departments.
The building will contain a dedicated Cabinet room, the first of its kind outside of London, and I very much look forward to inviting the Cabinet to meet in the building once it is open for business.
I am very grateful to Her Majesty for acknowledging the importance of the building by conferring the Royal title.
The Hub will improve the work of the UK Government, helping it deliver better services for people across Scotland. It will enable closer collaboration between departments, smarter working, and use of the latest technology.
The Edinburgh Hub is a great example of the UK Government’s extensive support for the capital’s economy – which we are also driving through the ambitious Edinburgh and South East Scotland Growth Deal.
HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is delivering the Edinburgh Hub on behalf of the UK Government, and will be the largest department based there when the first teams start to move in from April 2020.
Working with the Government Property Agency (GPA), HMRC has been at the cutting edge of delivering the UK Government’s Hub strategy and is playing a leading role on delivering this programme for the UK Government, enabling closer working between UK Government departments.
Departments to be located in the Edinburgh Hub include: HMRC, the Competition and Markets Authority, the Office of the Secretary of State for Scotland, the Office of the Advocate General for Scotland, the Office for Statistics Regulation, the Information Commissioner’s Office, the Health and Safety Executive, the Office for Statistics Regulation, the Government Actuary’s Department, the Cabinet Office and HM Treasury. It is due to open in March 2020 on a 25 year lease."
hardly her fault that one persons vote in one state is not equal to another person's vote in a different state in the great "democracy" of America.
It's part of a large development with flats, hotels, shops & offices which got planning permission in 2013.
The UK Govt announced it would lease the already planned office in 2017.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/regions/work-starts-edinburghs-ps200m-waverley-square-development-548692
So if you don't like the "award winning" scheme, blame the architects and [checks notes] Labour/SNP Council.
On one occasion they published a three sentence announcement, relating to a company I was working with. There was a major mistake in every single sentence. Not opinion - objective facts. Such as which bank was involved.
Someone couldn't even copy & pasta from a press release.
But its fine margins - Biden looks set to win 4 states by less than a percent.
A single lat flow test bought online is £399 or less, without a seven-digit economy of scale.
Sounds like a good bit of business.
She was born and grew up in the USA. She understands it's a federation of states and not a unitary state.
So she needed to campaign in the swing states but spent more time in California than Pennsylvania. Biden virtually camped himself in Pennsylvania.
The person who ignore PA lost it narrowly, the person who campaigned there won it. Entirely fair and within the rules.
Her fault she lost. She knew the rules.
Claiming Hillary should have won the Presidency in 2016 because she got more votes nationwide, ignoring the states results, is like saying Man City should have won last season as they scored more goals, ignoring the match results.
Take it up with them.
He deserves his win. She deserved to lose.
Its just a shame her hubris led to Trump winning.
Saying 500 people must be lying because they (possibly) support Trump is crazy, think about what you are saying. If you go down that road then no eye witnesses to anything can be used as an ulterior motive can always be found.
Most people on here believed quotes attributed to Trump about the military were true, despite being a completely anonymous source and not backed up by anyone who was confirmed to actually be there.
Now we have 500 people signing legal documents to confirm what they saw on election night and they are hand waved away without a second thought.
But the main point is that no recount is going to overturn Biden's wins in any of the above. Only counting all the votes has any chance of overturning any of them (probably only AZ). So ultimately, all these challenges are pointless at best, and malevolent and dangerous if they are pretext for illegal actions to come.
We have already had a dozen baseless cases with zero evidence thrown out. Simply screeching louder isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence. Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay isn't evidence.
Evidence needs to be put forward or else it's total bullshit. You're just believing the lies because she want to. Just like the already dozen cases lost so far.
"UK Gmt HQ in Edinbuirgh, for the third photo: note visual contribution to the Enlightenment architecture of Edinburgh."
As you said, this usually happens in a democracy so I am glad you recognise HRC was in the wrong back then.
FWIW Ohio looks like it's leaning even more Republican than last time.
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326396217170026497
That's it, over turn the election right now!
Biden campaigned in the swing states and won.
How does that make Biden equally rubbish?
Meanwhile the plebs aren't buying the narrative.
As you said, he has the right to challenge, it is when it tips over to illegal behaviour that things become dangerous.
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326396394891079681
That doesn't alter the fact she got more votes than Trump in 2016 and I was pointing that out in response to Alanbrooke's assertion that "nobody trusted her".
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326424424220930054
And if those signing the affidavits are shown to have made things up, they should then be charged with perjury; and if the lawyers bringing suit knew this, then the full weight of the law against those bringing frivolous suit should be used against them, to the point of lifelong disbarment.
I viscerally like the sound of that but it's a sensitive situation.
'HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is delivering the Edinburgh Hub on behalf of the UK Government, and will be the largest department based there when the first teams start to move in from April 2020.'
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I am happy to see the evidence and see how far they get in the courts. So far everything the Trump campaign has come up with has been thrown out by GOP and Dem judges alike.
I am unaware that the postal worker who lied about his allegations hasn't recanted - could you please provide a link to that. I can't see any video
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2020/W45/738394145
This isn't specifically project moonshot, it is buying a massive array of equipment and services for the next 4 years, not just covid or rapid covid testing.
Even if you were to assume the vaccines don’t work.
The 265,000 ft2 commercial office was built on a former Brownfield site as part of a mixed-use scheme in Edinburgh’s UNESCO World Heritage area. Six floors of office space are split over two buildings, linked on three levels by a large fully glazed ‘bridge’. The judges felt unanimously that Queen Elizabeth House was a worthy winner of the Innovation Award, not only because of its commercial success in attracting a dedicated single occupier, but also due to the undeniable contribution that QEH makes as the cornerstone of the New Waverley Quarter.
https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2020/10/three-edinburgh-buildings-named-in-awards-for-scotlands-best-workplaces/
https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1326485491919753216?s=20
What reason do you have to think they're not baseless?
Who would have thought Murdoch might save democracy, having done so much to damage it.
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1326482523912810498?s=20
TwitterFT bollocks?