It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Fair enough, apologies. But your comment "huge numbers are public sector........" did follow directly from the sentence "People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing" so my interpretation was quite reasonable if you check the thread.
These good polls keep rolling in for Biden, just 3 days before, so many pollsters would have to be so wrong and would have zero credibility if they are. 2018 would be unimportant if they get BOTH Trumps elections wrong.
I've yet to see a poll that shows a majority of people against covid restrictions.
If you have some, please share.
Because you are in a minority means you should shut up?
I think the point was that Hitchens was suggesting that if nothing else "numbers" would worry the MPs. But if the polling shows its popular, "numbers" opposed won't mean anything.
It will if they are all erstwhile Tory voters. Some evidence many of them are.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
I doubt many members of the public really appreciate the shear mountain of debt and long term economic damage being built up during this crisis that will have to result in higher taxes for everybody for many decades.
Tragic and costly that the government didn’t act sooner.
Given that the Government seem to have learnt nothing in six months about this virus, what causes it to spread and what activities are safe, i don't think that "acting sooner" would have made the blindest bit of difference. It's bad enough that we're entering a second lockdown, but absolutely indefensible that they haven't learnt enough and communicated enough about the virus to be able to target the lockdown on shutting down activities that will actually make a difference.
Cannot believe they are shutting golf courses. A sport you can easily social distance . Johnson really needs to look at what he is doing
My son in law's golf course was closed by Drakeford until the 9th November
However, Gwrych Castle is by the course (Abergele) and it is to close from the 9th November to the 2nd December while filming takes place for 'I am a celebrity' though members can play if the ban is lifted by the Welsh Assembly on the 9th
Abergele GC has also offered Ant and Dec honorary life membership
As I said at the time, politically smart, but this is intellectually dishonest.
I'm not sure how you arrived at that. Seems to me to be accurate in every particular
It won't help him. I predict that Johnson will be back at 50% in the polls within a week. The public will accept that he has tried his best to avoid a lockdown but he had to succumb. And Starmer's attempts to criticise will be characterised as sniping. It'll be like the last 6 months never happened.
British public will support government measures just imposed. But methinks they will NOT be thanking Boris Johnson OR the Tory Party. Cursing is more like it.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
I doubt many members of the public really appreciate the shear mountain of debt and long term economic damage being built up during this crisis that will have to result in higher taxes for everybody for many decades.
This isn't just a matter of get a vaccine in a few months, job done, back to normal everybody, nothing to see. This is worse than 2008.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Don't you? Half the Councils in the country are on the verge of bankruptcy. I'm expecting across the board pay cuts and massive retrospective changes to pension entitlements.
My NHS Trust is seriously overspent. I expect significant job losses, probably via early retirement and frozen vacancies in the New Year.
Hard to change pensions retrospectively though tax changes such as taxing lump sums might hit all pensioners.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
If they are not in face to face roles, they are still working from home often in poor conditions for an 8+ hour day.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
"8 in 10 Trump voters would not reveal they were a Trump Voter to family or friends" must be the greatest work of fiction of all time.
Lol. And if that were really true that must be because all the "family and friends" were anti Trump. Which by a simple process of logic leads to the conclusion that there must be a Biden landslide.
Is there anything this Government does that isn't corrupt?
Is that Kate Bingham, wife of Conservative MP Jesse Norman?
It’s Kate Bingham, the doyen of the U.K. life sciences industry and the most experienced investor in development stage drugs the country has
Is there no-one in government who understands the concept of conflicts of interest or the risks of insider dealing or why there may be issues in doing this?
Kate Bingham may be all that @Charles describes but a lot of care needs to be taken about sharing sensitive and potentially price sensitive information such as this in such a way. Did anyone think about this and provide some guidance about what is or is not appropriate?
On the face of it she seems to be very well qualified to help advise HMG. Strong scientific and business background, but why address US investors if there was a risk of accusations about conflicts of interest?
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Fair enough, apologies. But your comment "huge numbers are public sector........" did follow directly from the sentence "People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing" so my interpretation was quite reasonable if you check the thread.
I did not mean to mislead in my comment and was making a genuine point
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
I'd be interested to know how many of those people who think a lockdown should have happened earlier had already locked down themselves voluntarily from the date they think a lockdown should have happened from.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
But the public sector is expanding partly as a consequence of government policy - remember, thousands more police officers, nurses, doctors and so on (not to mention customs and border staff and other post-brexit functionaries). Additionally, the public sector has had to expand in light of the pandemic - for example thousands taken on to deal with Universal Credit claims, track and trace etc. So some of those losing jobs in the private sector could theoretically move over to the public sector - if they'd accept the wages. Just one other thing - public sector workers pay taxes as well.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Similar to the early 80s then? How we luxuriated in Tory largesse in those days.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
But the public sector is expanding partly as a consequence of government policy - remember, thousands more police officers, nurses, doctors and so on (not to mention customs and border staff and other post-brexit functionaries). Additionally, the public sector has had to expand in light of the pandemic - for example thousands taken on to deal with Universal Credit claims, track and trace etc. So some of those losing jobs in the private sector could theoretically move over to the public sector - if they'd accept the wages. Just one other thing - public sector workers pay taxes as well.
I do not disagree but the public sector depends in a large part to a successful private sector generating taxes
And two members of my family, my daughter and daughter in law work in the public sector
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Another point of course is what happened to "masks are hugely effective in cutting transmission and dangerous infection rates"? Now i believe that is true. But it defies belief that having established that, we are now reverting to an identical blanket lockdown policy (x schools) that we had in March. Surely masks should allow (at least) the non-essential shops to remain open. Allow a bit more scope for using public transport. Definitely allow outside activities to continue.
We've had a government which for months has been arguing that their approach needed to balance the health situation with the needs of the economy. And have deliberately delayed extreme measures to pursue that end. And within two days they've just chucked it all out of the window. At ENORMOUS cost to the country's mental, physical and economic well being.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
So a bit less of the "polling support is all coming from the public sector workers on cushy numbers". I work in the public sector, and i can tell you i am fuming at the incompetence of it all. It doesn't make the public sector look good either that they are responsible for a lot of it.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
The average voter understands that the private sector pays for the public sector.
The odd apology from those cheering on a lockdown to those who will lose their businesses, after supporting the public sector, wouldn't go amiss.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
The average voter understands that the private sector pays for the public sector.
The odd apology from those cheering on a lockdown to those who will lose their businesses, after supporting the public sector, wouldn't go amiss.
Without a public sector providing infrastructure like roads, etc. the private sector would cease to function. The relationship can't purely judged on economic grounds.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
The average voter understands that the private sector pays for the public sector.
The odd apology from those cheering on a lockdown to those who will lose their businesses, after supporting the public sector, wouldn't go amiss.
Without a public sector providing infrastructure like roads, etc. the private sector would cease to function. The relationship can't purely judged on economic grounds.
Without a private sector there would be no roads.
What I find so funny is not that people don't understand that. But that they think the average voter doesn't.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
So a bit less of the "polling support is all coming from the public sector workers on cushy numbers". I work in the public sector, and i can tell you i am fuming at the incompetence of it all. It doesn't make the public sector look good either that they are responsible for a lot of it.
I did not say that and many in the public sector are miles removed from a cushy number
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Your naked partisan attacks have been as predictable today as they have been divisive.
All they make me do is to want to harden down my support and rally round Boris, who I detest.
Ditch the poundshop Damien McBride stuff if you want us to all to make progress.
You are always at your worst with posts like this and you're much better than that.
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It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
Big G no need for you to apologise
You are one of the few posters on here with decent values.
Too many hard left on here glorying in the Covid just to try to undermine the government!
Not sure that particular criticism works. I feel like most people expected a second wave, albeit hoping we'd be better prepared than we have been, so a repeat was always a possibility.
Another point of course is what happened to "masks are hugely effective in cutting transmission and dangerous infection rates"? Now i believe that is true. But it defies belief that having established that, we are now reverting to an identical blanket lockdown policy (x schools) that we had in March. Surely masks should allow (at least) the non-essential shops to remain open. Allow a bit more scope for using public transport. Definitely allow outside activities to continue.
We've had a government which for months has been arguing that their approach needed to balance the health situation with the needs of the economy. And have deliberately delayed extreme measures to pursue that end. And within two days they've just chucked it all out of the window. At ENORMOUS cost to the country's mental, physical and economic well being.
Wearing a mask when going into shops and other enclosed spaces with a changing cast of other people is AOK PROVIDED
a) you're picky about where you stick your (covered) nose; and
b) you do NOT linger within, because the longer you do, the greater your risk.
Note that the configuration and especially size of the space is important. By size I mean as measured in three dimensions, as height as a lot to do with the cubic footage of AIR within the enclosure.
Thus I am way more comfortable shopping in large, open-space grocery store with high ceilings (esp. early in morning when crowd is less) than in a pokey little place with cramped walkways.
Note that on Election Eve will be attending small cocktail reception (under a tent) with folks I work with, followed by a small dinner party in a fancy restaurant (haven't been to one of them OR a greasy spoon since St Patrick's Day) in a mid-sized but HIGH-ceiling room, with waiter required by law to wear masks.
As shall I when not actively on the gargle or stuffing my pie hole!
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Your naked partisan attacks have been as predictable today as they have been divisive.
All they make me do is to want to harden down my support and rally round Boris, who I detest.
Ditch the poundshop Damien McBride stuff if you want us to all to make progress.
You are always at your worst with posts like this and you're much better than that.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Your naked partisan attacks have been as predictable today as they have been divisive.
All they make me do is to want to harden down my support and rally round Boris, who I detest.
Ditch the poundshop Damien McBride stuff if you want us to all to make progress.
You are always at your worst with posts like this and you're much better than that.
Your naked partisan attacks have been as predictable today as they have been divisive.
All they make me do is to want to harden down my support and rally round Boris, who I detest.
Ditch the poundshop Damien McBride stuff if you want us to all to make progress.
You are always at your worst with posts like this and you're much better than that.
Today’s events were predicted and avoidable. I am tired of having a fool in number 10 and have little respect for those who continue to defend him. We need to get rid of him.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
Big G no need for you to apologise
You are one of the few posters on here with decent values.
Too many hard left on here glorying in the Covid just to try to undermine the government!
Must be rigorously operated though - I’m unhappy with drive through voting to be honest.
That's a completely different argument though. To attempt to invalidate after the fact is something else completely.
If the vote was cast illegally then it is right to throw it out. The county should also write to everyone who’s vote was thrown out and invite them to recast their vote
Write to them? Are you having a laugh? You are aware that the US election is on Tuesday, aren't you? Not a month on Tuesday?
I realised that shortly after posting. I clearly meant communicate with them. Take out adverts if you need to.
Come on Charles that is nonsense.
If it is illegal then the votes are invalid. No ifs or buts.
But the electoral authorities should make all the efforts possible to contact the individuals to give them the opportunity to cast their vote again
Clueless. Federal courts should not be attempting to invalidate votes legally cast under state law, especially within a couple of days of the election.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
I thought the public/ private debate was dead and buried years ago.
I deal with local authority refuse collectors across England, Wales and Northern Ireland. They empty your bins for not much money, now you probably think they are ill-educated so why pay them more than we need to. Just after the Pheonix Four collapsed MGRover and helped themselves to not insubstantial amounts of money, many well qualified time- served engineers lost their jobs. I met many former MG employees who retrained as refuse vehicle drivers. So screwed by the private sector, screwed in the public sector.
One thing I have learned over the years in local authorities is that every now and again a journeyman is given a Head of Department/ Service job. Their brief is to save money, so how to save money in a labour intensive environment? Sack the Labour! What I see is this, in a department of 100 refuse collectors, a new broom sacks 20 to 30 of them, the new broom gets a gold star and moves onto a promotion at another local authority. Why not? They have just saved a 25% labour bill. But what happens next? The service starts to fail, agency staff are taken on (at a higher cost) to make up the lost service. Someone sees the agency labour bill and panics, the agency staff are made permanent and are put on the books, the staff compliment is back to 100. Then a year or two later a journeyman gets a Head of Service job...
So give it up. It is hard everywhere these days. And I say that as someone who ploughs my own private furrow.
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It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on sfurlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
Private vs. Public arguments are childish. We’re all dependent on each other. Always have been, always will be. Pitting one sector against another is unhelpful. A diversion from the omnishambles he Conservatives have delivered.
Can't say I think it is unnecessary hurt. Someone who would take or defend (even in mealy mouthed fashion) action in response cartoons may need a bit of emotional hurt and pain by taking such offense. Pain teaches us lessons.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Not sure that particular criticism works. I feel like most people expected a second wave, albeit hoping we'd be better prepared than we have been, so a repeat was always a possibility.
I wonder if now having a huge testing capacity has negative consequences.
If we did half as many tests then there would be far fewer reported positive cases.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
Private ba. Public arguments are childish. We’re all dependent on each other. Always have been, always will be. Pitting one sector against another is unhelpful. A diversion from the omnishambles he Conservatives have delivered.
Sorry you cannot see the reality of what is happening and far more importantly the financial implications for the public services we all depend on going forward
Not sure that particular criticism works. I feel like most people expected a second wave, albeit hoping we'd be better prepared than we have been, so a repeat was always a possibility.
I wonder if now having a huge testing capacity has negative consequences.
If we did half as many tests then there would be far fewer reported positive cases.
With the innumerate in government less panicky.
I can see the theory, but there's always reports of 'estimated numbers of cases' and the like whatever the headline figure is, so it wouldn't prevent panic, especially if other indicators like admissions and deaths ramped up, as they have.
This is going to finish off semi pro sport unless there is an exemption. Ps. 9 non-elite teams in FA Cup first round.
All those leagues under the Football League are going to need a bail out.
Believe it is currently below National League N/S, but yes. How about RL below SL level? Not played since March. Workington, Whitehaven, Barrow, Dewsbury, Keighley, Leigh have Tory Mps. 4 of them Red Wall 2019 gains. Very important to their communities. Other clubs have supporters in newly acquired Toryland.
Another point of course is what happened to "masks are hugely effective in cutting transmission and dangerous infection rates"? Now i believe that is true. But it defies belief that having established that, we are now reverting to an identical blanket lockdown policy (x schools) that we had in March. Surely masks should allow (at least) the non-essential shops to remain open. Allow a bit more scope for using public transport. Definitely allow outside activities to continue.
We've had a government which for months has been arguing that their approach needed to balance the health situation with the needs of the economy. And have deliberately delayed extreme measures to pursue that end. And within two days they've just chucked it all out of the window. At ENORMOUS cost to the country's mental, physical and economic well being.
Wearing a mask when going into shops and other enclosed spaces with a changing cast of other people is AOK PROVIDED
a) you're picky about where you stick your (covered) nose; and
b) you do NOT linger within, because the longer you do, the greater your risk.
Note that the configuration and especially size of the space is important. By size I mean as measured in three dimensions, as height as a lot to do with the cubic footage of AIR within the enclosure.
Thus I am way more comfortable shopping in large, open-space grocery store with high ceilings (esp. early in morning when crowd is less) than in a pokey little place with cramped walkways.
Note that on Election Eve will be attending small cocktail reception (under a tent) with folks I work with, followed by a small dinner party in a fancy restaurant (haven't been to one of them OR a greasy spoon since St Patrick's Day) in a mid-sized but HIGH-ceiling room, with waiter required by law to wear masks.
As shall I when not actively on the gargle or stuffing my pie hole!
Nothing is zero risk. But when the economic well being of the country is at stake, the Govt should be trying harder to keep low risk businesses open. Not just shutting them all to make the "messaging" simpler.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
Big G no need for you to apologise
You are one of the few posters on here with decent values.
Too many hard left on here glorying in the Covid just to try to undermine the government!
". . .few posters on here with decent values."
From what I can see, MOST indeed almost all would be more like it, regardless of ideology or partisanship. Including Big G and (I'm willing to bet) you.
Given the US election is on, I've been replaying Democracy 3, and had a bit fun trying to create a religious police state, but which takes environmental issues very seriously. Turns out it is pretty hard to do so without being assassinated, and pay for things.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
The average voter understands that the private sector pays for the public sector.
The odd apology from those cheering on a lockdown to those who will lose their businesses, after supporting the public sector, wouldn't go amiss.
The public sector employee pays his taxes too, and there is no leeway as to the tax paid. As someone self employed in the private sector, I pay accountants to legitimately make me more tax efficient.
It confirms what I have been saying for a few days
People love the idea of sitting at home on 80% wages for doing nothing?
It is more than that
Huge numbers are public sector or local authority employees or are pensioners all of whom have no financial penalties by staying at home, while the private sector is decimated, along with the tax revenues that go a long way to paying for the public sector
Big tax rises are coming down the line for everyone
Here we go again, the myth repeated. The vast majority of public sector and local authority employees are not sitting at home on furlough - they are working. Most have face-to-face roles - you may even see them emptying your bins, staffing your hospitals, teaching your grandchildren, or cremating the dead. Some are working at home. Not very many are on furlough.
I was not suggesting they are on furlough, quite the opposite
They are guaranteed their jobs and pensions and as with pensioners will not see any loss of income
I do not expect any public sector workers to loss their jobs, but on the other hand the private sector are looking at millions of job loses
Which public sector jobs would you like to see cut?
None.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
Amazon are taking a huge hit. Hmmmm.
You know that is not what I mean
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
Private sector vs. Public sector is such an outdated argument. Tory Stone Age nonsense. Irrelevant, unhelpful and another attempt to divide people.
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
Why should I apologise for stating something that is obvious and actually includes myself as a pensioner who is looking at an unjustified triple lock increase of 2.5% in my pension next April
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
Private ba. Public arguments are childish. We’re all dependent on each other. Always have been, always will be. Pitting one sector against another is unhelpful. A diversion from the omnishambles he Conservatives have delivered.
Sorry you cannot see the reality of what is happening and far more importantly the financial implications for the public services we all depend on going forward
The reality is this government by prevaricating has caused unnecessary economic damage and we will all suffer. Perhaps it has been spending a bit too much time on its cold, hard Brexit dreams, again a device to cause entirely avoidable economic harm.
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Which makes him appear (to coin a phrase) fair & balanced.
Some evidence many of them are.
I bet they are.
Susquehanna Wisconsin Biden 49% Trump 46%
https://overland.amgreatness.com/app/uploads/2020/10/Toplines-Wisconsin-CFAG-Oct2020-2.pdf
However, Gwrych Castle is by the course (Abergele) and it is to close from the 9th November to the 2nd December while filming takes place for 'I am a celebrity' though members can play if the ban is lifted by the Welsh Assembly on the 9th
Abergele GC has also offered Ant and Dec honorary life membership
As in, "I wonder IF the Great Pumpkin will rise up from the old pumpkin patch THIS year?"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1322653650200588289?s=20
Hard to change pensions retrospectively though tax changes such as taxing lump sums might hit all pensioners.
However there is an unfairness that the private sector are taking this huge hit while many others are unaffected job wise
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/10/our-survey-more-than-half-of-tory-members-want-trump-to-win-next-week.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Saturday 31st October 2020&utm_content=Saturday 31st October 2020+CID_a8a03329d9d90d38c0ca0abe31a89951&utm_source=Daily Email&utm_term=Our survey more than half of Tory members want Trump to win next week
I am surprised that she never thought about that quote. Perhaps clash of interests isn't something taught on at The Harvard Business School.
Thank you though
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1322670192523055104?s=20
Hospitality, leisure and travel are being decimated
How we luxuriated in Tory largesse in those days.
I know you Americans like political dynasties but it seems bit third world to me.
And two members of my family, my daughter and daughter in law work in the public sector
Today of all days, Tories ought to show a little humility and seek to build bridges. The odd apology might go down well.
We've had a government which for months has been arguing that their approach needed to balance the health situation with the needs of the economy. And have deliberately delayed extreme measures to pursue that end. And within two days they've just chucked it all out of the window. At ENORMOUS cost to the country's mental, physical and economic well being.
Additionally two of my family work in the public sector and understand that it is private sector jobs that are disappearing
The odd apology from those cheering on a lockdown to those who will lose their businesses, after supporting the public sector, wouldn't go amiss.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/
What I find so funny is not that people don't understand that. But that they think the average voter doesn't.
All they make me do is to want to harden down my support and rally round Boris, who I detest.
Ditch the poundshop Damien McBride stuff if you want us to all to make progress.
You are always at your worst with posts like this and you're much better than that.
Did Justin think this when he wore black face all those times?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8901193/National-security-nightmare-Hunter-Bidens-laptop.html
Ps. 9 non-elite teams in FA Cup first round.
You are one of the few posters on here with decent values.
Too many hard left on here glorying in the Covid just to try to undermine the government!
a) you're picky about where you stick your (covered) nose; and
b) you do NOT linger within, because the longer you do, the greater your risk.
Note that the configuration and especially size of the space is important. By size I mean as measured in three dimensions, as height as a lot to do with the cubic footage of AIR within the enclosure.
Thus I am way more comfortable shopping in large, open-space grocery store with high ceilings (esp. early in morning when crowd is less) than in a pokey little place with cramped walkways.
Note that on Election Eve will be attending small cocktail reception (under a tent) with folks I work with, followed by a small dinner party in a fancy restaurant (haven't been to one of them OR a greasy spoon since St Patrick's Day) in a mid-sized but HIGH-ceiling room, with waiter required by law to wear masks.
As shall I when not actively on the gargle or stuffing my pie hole!
Your naked partisan attacks have been as predictable today as they have been divisive.
All they make me do is to want to harden down my support and rally round Boris, who I detest.
Ditch the poundshop Damien McBride stuff if you want us to all to make progress.
You are always at your worst with posts like this and you're much better than that.
Today’s events were predicted and avoidable. I am tired of having a fool in number 10 and have little respect for those who continue to defend him. We need to get rid of him.
Federal courts should not be attempting to invalidate votes legally cast under state law, especially within a couple of days of the election.
You are parroting Republican lines.
Last week the Govt added Canary Island to the travel corridor. Thousands of UK residents booked holidays for November. Why wouldn't they?
One week later. Government bans international travel.
I deal with local authority refuse collectors across England, Wales and Northern Ireland. They empty your bins for not much money, now you probably think they are ill-educated so why pay them more than we need to. Just after the Pheonix Four collapsed MGRover and helped themselves to not insubstantial amounts of money, many well qualified time- served engineers lost their jobs. I met many former MG employees who retrained as refuse vehicle drivers. So screwed by the private sector, screwed in the public sector.
One thing I have learned over the years in local authorities is that every now and again a journeyman is given a Head of Department/ Service job. Their brief is to save money, so how to save money in a labour intensive environment? Sack the Labour! What I see is this, in a department of 100 refuse collectors, a new broom sacks 20 to 30 of them, the new broom gets a gold star and moves onto a promotion at another local authority. Why not? They have just saved a 25% labour bill. But what happens next? The service starts to fail, agency staff are taken on (at a higher cost) to make up the lost service. Someone sees the agency labour bill and panics, the agency staff are made permanent and are put on the books, the staff compliment is back to 100. Then a year or two later a journeyman gets a Head of Service job...
So give it up. It is hard everywhere these days. And I say that as someone who ploughs my own private furrow.
He wanted two weeks
Boris has shown clear leadership with four weeks plus a clear route out!
If we did half as many tests then there would be far fewer reported positive cases.
With the innumerate in government less panicky.
How about RL below SL level? Not played since March. Workington, Whitehaven, Barrow, Dewsbury, Keighley, Leigh have Tory Mps. 4 of them Red Wall 2019 gains.
Very important to their communities. Other clubs have supporters in newly acquired Toryland.
Tuesday is going to be fun.
And if these Morons are Democrats they are doing a good job for Trump and a massive disservice to Biden
Joe should tell them to Fuck right off unlike Mr stand down and stand ready
From what I can see, MOST indeed almost all would be more like it, regardless of ideology or partisanship. Including Big G and (I'm willing to bet) you.