Is this a massive problem 33.7m mail ballots outstanding?
Total Early Votes: 90,012,433
In-Person Votes: 32,663,560 •
Mail Ballots Returned: 57,348,873 •
Mail Ballots Outstanding: 33,680,976
Good question. I presume there will always be a proportion of people who request ballots and then can't be arsed to return them. But +35% sounds high.
Maybe they are in the post?
Thats what worries me i am hoping a lot are received but not yet processed
Two points:
1) always lag between ballots being mailed back OR dropped in box, and their return being recorded & reported by election offices.
2) in WA State (and my guess is many other jurisdictions) LARGE share of voters using drop boxes INSTEAD of mail, due to Trumpsky's highly publicized war against USPS; for example in King County (Seattle & burbs) over 70% of all returns via drop box, which is WAY up from August Primary AND despite fact that return-ballot postage is pre-paid.
Imagine you are that Liverpool gym guy. All the fighting you did to keep your business open.
arbitrarily shut down with a wave of a hand by a highly paid medical advisor with big salary and a huge pension. That you are trying to finance by keeping your business open and paying taxes.
As I have said before, these people are not vassals, they are voters. When the time comes, do the politicians of today honestly think they are going to get these votes, or millions of others?
Seems like lots of these people did vote for the politicians in New Zealand, because in exchange for temporary disruption the virus was brought under control.
I think that it's the incompetence of imposing lockdown, after lockdown, and still not bringing the virus under control that will be the problem for politicians in the UK.
Doesn’t seem right that the new lockdown guidelines are all leaked to a chosen few in the media prior to the press conference. Seems perfectly reasonable that the new lockdown guidelines are all leaked to a chosen few in the media prior to the press conference.
Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have been handed a 225-page dossier urging them to investigate Dominic Cummings for allegedly perverting the course of justice, in relation to a statement about his journeys to the north-east of England at the height of the pandemic.
The former regional chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal said Cummings’ claims during a press conference in Downing Street’s rose garden on 25 May affected the course of justice as they were made as Durham police’s investigation into his behaviour was already under way.
I wonder if anyone at the press conference (if it happens) will ask Boris Johnson how soon he had previously expected the impact of the new Tier system* to start having an impact on 1) case numbers 2) hospitalisations 3) deaths?
*implemented a couple of weeks ago, with some places only having been in their current tier for less than a week.
You can read a number of articles for free by registering. That's what I do.
Of course. One can even pay!
It's so very hard to find publications worth paying for though. The old-style broadsheets should be nailed-one, but they've so let themselves go. The weeklys - Speccy, Economist etc have merit, but also many faults.
When I was at uni I subscibed to Private Eye and a monthly magazine called FMR -a sort of glossy art thing (perhaps mainly to make an impressive pigeon-hole). I couldn't afford these subscriptions, but that was my bank managers problem. I can say that I enjoyed every issue of these arrivals though.
In recent years I've subscribed to a few publications - they simply aren't being read though. That may be partly me, but it's certainly in part that they're not living up to the repute. Admittedly that's likely due to the easy and good free content on the internet.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
It's comprehensible if you see the world through Ferguson's influenza model.
I take this guy's point - he's quite cogent - however if lockdowns are so utterly useless and damaging, why are they being enforced by: Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, Australia, Czechia, Iran, and previously in China, Singapore, etc?
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
The chancellor, especially given previous reports?
They seem quite on the ball with marketing, hopefully once Farage has descended, as you say, he will stand up for the decent sized minority who aren't in favour of lockdowns.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
Bozo is completely shit at doing the hard graft of politics.
He’d have learned more from eight years as a Borough councillor than being dropped straight into London mayor and evading any scrutiny thereafter.
TMay and John Major both had stints as Councillor on their CV; are there any other PMs?
And although neither ended as a raging success, in terms of keeping on keeping on through horrible circumstances that weren't really their fault, they both had a certain something.
It's the risk with Rishi, he's been in politics for about 30 minutes and we've not seen what he's like when his back is really against the wall. (Dishing out cash in a crisis is traumatic, but in a different way).
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Were I a minister, I think I would find it impossible to defend this.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Were I a minister, I think I would find it impossible to defend this.</blockquote
Especially if, like Dominic Raab, you were defending the old policy to the hilt just yesterday.....
So... On holiday in Cornwall this week. Will we have to come home before Thursday? Or can we stay until Saturday as planned and paid for?
Just stay, the only thing is that everything will be shut despite the incidence rate in SW England basically being nothing.
That is what I am hoping we can do. We came here to do nothing anyway, maybe a few long walks and some sea air.
But I am pretty sure hotels will be told to enforce the law: this will be policed. And you are only allowed to stay overnight outside your home for work from Thursday on, No more holidays.
Of course if you are in some self catering or, even better, a 2nd home you'll probably be fine. You will be breaking the rules but no one will check.
Has anyone seen any company 'enforcing' the law at all? I haven't.
People are asked if they have done the track and trace. People say yes. That is it.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
What was Starmer actually calling for? Did he want schools to be shut?
So... On holiday in Cornwall this week. Will we have to come home before Thursday? Or can we stay until Saturday as planned and paid for?
Just stay, the only thing is that everything will be shut despite the incidence rate in SW England basically being nothing.
That is what I am hoping we can do. We came here to do nothing anyway, maybe a few long walks and some sea air.
But I am pretty sure hotels will be told to enforce the law: this will be policed. And you are only allowed to stay overnight outside your home for work from Thursday on, No more holidays.
Of course if you are in some self catering or, even better, a 2nd home you'll probably be fine. You will be breaking the rules but no one will check.
From the leaks so far, it appears to be a mix of "law" and "guidance". So you don't know that there will be any 'law' to enforce.
They've already fucked with Little Mix the Search, so if they delay Strictly too they are completely dead to me. BTW does everyone on PB agree that Starmer was right and displayed characteristic foresight in calling for the policy the government is now following, albeit too late?
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
The first senior minister to go over this will likely be next PM.
My feeling is Boris might survive until the spring, but only, like Mrs May, to make sure he absorbs all the flack that is coming his way. Politically, IMO his career is over.
So... On holiday in Cornwall this week. Will we have to come home before Thursday? Or can we stay until Saturday as planned and paid for?
Just stay, the only thing is that everything will be shut despite the incidence rate in SW England basically being nothing.
That is what I am hoping we can do. We came here to do nothing anyway, maybe a few long walks and some sea air.
But I am pretty sure hotels will be told to enforce the law: this will be policed. And you are only allowed to stay overnight outside your home for work from Thursday on, No more holidays.
Of course if you are in some self catering or, even better, a 2nd home you'll probably be fine. You will be breaking the rules but no one will check.
From the leaks so far, it appears to be a mix of "law" and "guidance". So you don't know that there will be any 'law' to enforce.
It has to be lockdown-by-law, this time, doesn't it? To give it credence and force.
It's comprehensible if you see the world through Ferguson's influenza model.
I take this guy's point - he's quite cogent - however if lockdowns are so utterly useless and damaging, why are they being enforced by: Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, Australia, Czechia, Iran, and previously in China, Singapore, etc?
Lockdowns are useful in buying time to organise. We have proven we can't or won't do that so there's no point. Asian countries used them to buy time, we're using the to stop infections.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
What was Starmer actually calling for? Did he want schools to be shut?
Lockdown to coincide with school holidays.
Obvious point that if had done this earlier, like when SAGE suggested or SKS suggested, then the same results could have been achieved in less time as there was less infection to work out of the system.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
The first senior minister to go over this will likely be next PM.
My feeling is Boris might survive until the spring, but only, like Mrs May, to make sure he absorbs all the flack that is coming his way. Politically, IMO his career is over.
They've already fucked with Little Mix the Search, so if they delay Strictly too they are completely dead to me. BTW does everyone on PB agree that Starmer was right and displayed characteristic foresight in calling for the policy the government is now following, albeit too late?
They've already fucked with Little Mix the Search, so if they delay Strictly too they are completely dead to me. BTW does everyone on PB agree that Starmer was right and displayed characteristic foresight in calling for the policy the government is now following, albeit too late?
Bozo is completely shit at doing the hard graft of politics.
He’d have learned more from eight years as a Borough councillor than being dropped straight into London mayor and evading any scrutiny thereafter.
TMay and John Major both had stints as Councillor on their CV; are there any other PMs?
And although neither ended as a raging success, in terms of keeping on keeping on through horrible circumstances that weren't really their fault, they both had a certain something.
It's the risk with Rishi, he's been in politics for about 30 minutes and we've not seen what he's like when his back is really against the wall. (Dishing out cash in a crisis is traumatic, but in a different way).
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
The first senior minister to go over this will likely be next PM.
My feeling is Boris might survive until the spring, but only, like Mrs May, to make sure he absorbs all the flack that is coming his way. Politically, IMO his career is over.
Hope springs eternal. I suspect he has a bit more damage up his sleeve yet. Would be good to get rid before he forces a cold, hard Brexit on us on top of all of this.
It’s going to cause me some fairly significant headaches as well given the new extension isn’t finished yet. It should be finished this week (it’s outdoor work and anyway, I’m not in during the day) but it’s going to be a right bugger getting the furniture in if I can’t use a removal firm.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
What was Starmer actually calling for? Did he want schools to be shut?
It’s going to cause me some fairly significant headaches as well given the new extension isn’t finished yet. It should be finished this week (it’s outdoor work and anyway, I’m not in during the day) but it’s going to be a right bugger getting the furniture in if I can’t use a removal firm.
Obviously don't know the rules, but given 'travel for work' will apparently be allowed, I don't see why removals would be stopped....
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
The first senior minister to go over this will likely be next PM.
My feeling is Boris might survive until the spring, but only, like Mrs May, to make sure he absorbs all the flack that is coming his way. Politically, IMO his career is over.
Hope springs eternal. I suspect he has a bit more damage up his sleeve yet. Would be good to get rid before he forces a cold, hard Brexit on us on top of all of this.
Boris will be in place on the 1st January 2021 but not sure how far into 2021 he will last
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
What was Starmer actually calling for? Did he want schools to be shut?
He was being slightly opportunist, slightly reasonable, and mostly political.
Labour have nothing to offer in all this, and that's sort of fine in that they're not alone. They've had nothing to offer since Blair anyway, and of course he had Brown.
I'd give Starmer 10/10 for his leadership so far. I'm never going to vote Labour, but if I was then considering it Starmer is doing the right things.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
The first senior minister to go over this will likely be next PM.
My feeling is Boris might survive until the spring, but only, like Mrs May, to make sure he absorbs all the flack that is coming his way. Politically, IMO his career is over.
Hope springs eternal. I suspect he has a bit more damage up his sleeve yet. Would be good to get rid before he forces a cold, hard Brexit on us on top of all of this.
Boris will be in place on the 1st January 2021 but not sure how far into 2021 he will last
Hanging around to deliver one further insult to the UK.
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
What was Starmer actually calling for? Did he want schools to be shut?
Lockdown to coincide with school holidays.
Obvious point that if had done this earlier, like when SAGE suggested or SKS suggested, then the same results could have been achieved in less time as there was less infection to work out of the system.
BTW does everyone on PB agree that Starmer was right and displayed characteristic foresight in calling for the policy the government is now following, albeit too late?
Lol - you've been on here long enough to know better!
I suspect the delay is because they're agonising over exactly how to sell it without it seeming like a victory for Starmer. I don't imagine the delay is anything to do with reflecting on what's best for the national interest.
Wonder if it's a resignation standoff, actually.
Unlikely. From the clip of Steve Baker they just played on Sky even he seemed to understand that a lockdown had become necessary so no chance a Cabinet Minister will kill their career by appearing irresponsible over this.
What about the guy who called Sir Keir Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' a few weeks ago?
What was Starmer actually calling for? Did he want schools to be shut?
For half term
My understanding was he wanted a two-week half term break. Which would have made an enormous amount of sense on a very large number of levels.
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Expect the same.
Of course there's a choice. That's what the Cabinet are supposed to decide.
https://twitter.com/northernpundit/status/1322580494232416257
"We will fight them on the beaches, but not until the ruggah is over. We will never surrender, except for crimbo hollybops."
1) always lag between ballots being mailed back OR dropped in box, and their return being recorded & reported by election offices.
2) in WA State (and my guess is many other jurisdictions) LARGE share of voters using drop boxes INSTEAD of mail, due to Trumpsky's highly publicized war against USPS; for example in King County (Seattle & burbs) over 70% of all returns via drop box, which is WAY up from August Primary AND despite fact that return-ballot postage is pre-paid.
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1322582396177403904?s=20
...
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1322582400451436550?s=20
I think that it's the incompetence of imposing lockdown, after lockdown, and still not bringing the virus under control that will be the problem for politicians in the UK.
The former regional chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal said Cummings’ claims during a press conference in Downing Street’s rose garden on 25 May affected the course of justice as they were made as Durham police’s investigation into his behaviour was already under way.
https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/1322582869840175104?s=20
Hence the further delay.
*implemented a couple of weeks ago, with some places only having been in their current tier for less than a week.
It's so very hard to find publications worth paying for though. The old-style broadsheets should be nailed-one, but they've so let themselves go. The weeklys - Speccy, Economist etc have merit, but also many faults.
When I was at uni I subscibed to Private Eye and a monthly magazine called FMR -a sort of glossy art thing (perhaps mainly to make an impressive pigeon-hole). I couldn't afford these subscriptions, but that was my bank managers problem. I can say that I enjoyed every issue of these arrivals though.
In recent years I've subscribed to a few publications - they simply aren't being read though. That may be partly me, but it's certainly in part that they're not living up to the repute. Admittedly that's likely due to the easy and good free content on the internet.
https://twitter.com/BareReality/status/1306897564885831680
So they leaked the change of time instead of fucking announcing it
He’d have learned more from eight years as a Borough councillor than being dropped straight into London mayor and evading any scrutiny thereafter.
Are house moves being stopped?
Including actual physical move of furniture?
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1322221435306332160?s=20
Dunno.
His in-tray every morning is shit, his room for maneuver non-existent, his downside massive.
I think he's doing fine.
Trouble is, the tories aren't listening to her because she doesn't have slick, well oiled and powerful political machine behind her.
And neither, for the record, does maverick Lawrence Fox.
After Boris's latest blunder, if it goes ahead, millions of tory votes are going to be up for grabs.
And although neither ended as a raging success, in terms of keeping on keeping on through horrible circumstances that weren't really their fault, they both had a certain something.
It's the risk with Rishi, he's been in politics for about 30 minutes and we've not seen what he's like when his back is really against the wall. (Dishing out cash in a crisis is traumatic, but in a different way).
Do you mean Zama?
It is fake news to say otherwise.
People are asked if they have done the track and trace. People say yes. That is it.
BTW does everyone on PB agree that Starmer was right and displayed characteristic foresight in calling for the policy the government is now following, albeit too late?
My feeling is Boris might survive until the spring, but only, like Mrs May, to make sure he absorbs all the flack that is coming his way. Politically, IMO his career is over.
Obvious point that if had done this earlier, like when SAGE suggested or SKS suggested, then the same results could have been achieved in less time as there was less infection to work out of the system.
Labour have nothing to offer in all this, and that's sort of fine in that they're not alone. They've had nothing to offer since Blair anyway, and of course he had Brown.
I'd give Starmer 10/10 for his leadership so far. I'm never going to vote Labour, but if I was then considering it Starmer is doing the right things.
The Channels have cleared their schedules since 16.00.
They have to fill the air with something.
Who can they get?
Government critics, that's who....