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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,602
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
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    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,160
    edited October 2020
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    My mother has a small collection of old postcards with interesting pictures on them - one of a photo of a dancing bear in London, or of Electric Avenue in Brixton when Electric qualified as a notable identifier.

    One of these talks about visiting the recipient later that day.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,995
    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    There are 344k mailed ballots that have been received but not processed yet in miami-dade.
    Where do you have that info from ?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just as well European tourism isn't struggling:

    https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1319670388666830850?s=20

    I wonder how long we'll continue allowing EU passport holders to use our e-gates.....

    Their reasoning seems stupid. I just went through Naples e-gates and they allowed a bunch of non-EU countries through there like Australia, USA and others where there is no specific trade deal. It just seems like another one of those "leaving must have consequences" decisions that doesn't apply to those who weren't ever in it.
    Technically, don't they need a data sharing agreement in place - which they have with US, etc? Not complex (and something they would clearly want given their dependence on UK tourism), but will need be agreed.
    Yes, that was my point, sharing of passport and entry data isn't something reserved for EU or EEA countries. As I said, it seems to be another one of these "must have consequences for leaving" that don't apply if you were never in it.

    I'm reminded of the scene in DS9 where Eddington is telling Sisko that the Federation hates the Maquis because they dared to leave the Federation.
    Surely it's simply an inevitable consequence of No Deal. If there's no deal, there is no deal, so inter alia there's no data sharing agreement. The EU don't need to do anything, the 'consequences' arise by the UK's choice and the effluxion of time through Boris's brain-dead self-imposed deadline. They'll just wait for the UK to come to its senses and realise that, actually, it does need a deal, and that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
    Even in a no deal scenario there will be a lot of smaller deals agreed very quickly, especially wrt aviation and travel.

    If nothing is agreed until everything is agreed then how is it possible for Australian citizens to go through e-gates in Naples despite no formal trade deal having been agreed between the EU and Australia?

    Tbh, this really is their loss as pissing off British tourists is probably not in their interests.
    Quite. The EU mandarins might love the idea of making the British stand in long queues at airports, but the airports themselves - and the local politicians at holiday resorts - will want to make the process as smooth as possible for their customers.
    Applies to a lot of areas. Brexit has already firmed up support for the EU, there's no need to make things any harder for themselves than it needs to be, to ensure the UK is an object lesson.
    So long as we aren't made into an 'abject lesson'.
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    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    OllyT said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters

    https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1319605958037950470?s=20

    Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology.
    24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event?
    Malarkey.
    I suspect that both Rasmussen and Trafalgar are basically trousering money from GOP backers to keep producing "polls" that make it look like they are still in the race.

    Rasmussen was the only pollster projecting a GOP lead in the mid-terms. They lost by 8.4%.

    Rasmussen are the only pollster telling us Trump has a positive approval rating whilst everyone else has a disapproval rating of around 7 to 20%.

    There are very good reasons these too are graded as C/ C- pollsters.
    Rasmussen final 2016 national poll Clinton +2%

    Result Clinton +2%
    More recently, mid-terms Rasmussen GOP +1, Actual result Dems +8.4%.

    Massive Fail
    To be fair to Rasmussen - and @HYFUD (who quite frankly should be congratulated for taking the sh1t he does):

    If you look at the 2018 voter numbers, what happened was that Democrats turned out in similar numbers to 2016 but the Republican number fell by (memory serves me right) 10m+. It could have been that where Rasmussen got it wrong was assuming that 2018 would see a relatively similar to turnout to mid-year campaigns when compared to 2014.

    Also, one thing to bear in mind. In 2018, Gen X and below outvoted older age groups (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/). If you take NC as a guide, then that is reversed this time round.
    Early voting is traditionally dominated by OLDER voters. SO fact that that early voting by younger voters is lagging behind EV by geezers is NOT a surprising development.
    (a) the NC votes are for both In Person and Mail In. and (b) the underperformance is very significant - 22% of votes so far vs 40% of the electorate. Given how many people have voted in NC so far, are you really saying the 40 and under vote is going to recover that much on election day? Note also these were the people who were supposedly more vehement about getting rid of Trump.

    Theory - I suspect the closure of many college campuses is hitting the younger cohort votes, which is disadvantageous for Biden
    I say what I say NOT what you want me to say. As for who is (more) correct, well, we'll just have to see.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    Plenty of references from early 20th Century political diaries, memoirs and biographies to frequent postal deliveries in central London.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    welshowl said:

    "Police in England will attempt to turn around drivers making non-essential journeys out of Wales during the nation's 17-day firebreak lockdown.

    Gloucestershire Constabulary confirmed they would patrol routes into the Forest of Dean area, on the England-Wales border, and pull over vehicles they suspected of making long journeys.

    If the drivers turn out to have driven out of Wales without a valid excuse they will be asked to turn around, the force said, and if they refuse they will then be reported to police in Wales."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54656821

    Poor old WelshOwl.

    He makes a dash for freedom to buy his Tesco socks, and is arrested by the English police (!) who hand him over to Drakeford.

    I know🤔

    In 12 minutes we are living in a country where the First Minister and his team are deciding what can and cannot be sold in supermarkets. How Soviet Bloc circa 1981.

    A land where one assumes it will be illegal to buy a toilet seat from a physical site as it’s not “essential”, or indeed bed linen, or spades ( except from an agricultural store of course). Where does paint lie in this new world I ask, or weed killer, or nails? Presumably the Covid commissariat for the People’s Essential Goods will issue a diktat today and enlighten us.

    On the other hand as far as I’m aware doughnuts, digestive biscuits, cigarettes and gin are all freely available and are deemed essential.

    All of the above is because one assumes the Welsh Govt has unique insight and evidence that buying frozen peas on aisle 7 at Asda is Covid safe whereas loitering for15 seconds on aisle 8 to buy a frying pan risks a superspreader event. So that’s fine then.

    It’s fair because it evenly screws hairdressers in Pembroke ( very low Covid area) and RCT ( high Covid area), it’s also fair because it evens out the playing field between nice, community mom and pop stores next to Abercwmtwch miners’ welfare hall (bless) and evil, big business based in England (bastards). It evenly screws the Welsh workforce and consumer and of course best of all has no likely effect on the virus at all.

    This policy would I’m sure be approved of by Amazon who are probably seeking new ways to chart the rise in their share price, if only they could stop laughing long enough.
    Personally, I am not too affected about the policy. I mean, it is completely bonkers, but there are no large supermarkets anywhere near me.

    I am worried about your weekly clothing, toilet seat & paint requirements, of course -- I don't want to appear callous😁

    But, I would very definitely object to being questioned by the Sais as to my intentions on crossing the border to annex
    Shrewsbury.

    It will be interesting to see if Drakeford has played this right. His wooly meanderings have so far been quite popular.
    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    In fairness it’s a crap gig to govern anywhere right now ( well unless your first name is Jacinda), but this home grown Welsh fiasco has a flavour all of it’s own. Silly suggestions from the opposition taken up by a government that deep in its DNA doesn’t like big businesses I suspect.

    The result is a nation where you can’t buy a bog seat because it’s banned.
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    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Prince Charles just ensured Australia becomes a republic.

    The Prince of Wales gave his support to the governor-general of Australia over the sacking of the country’s prime minister in 1975, newly-released private letters have revealed.

    The dismissal of Gough Whitlam’s government by Sir John Kerr, the Queen’s representative, was one of Australia’s most controversial episodes.

    Papers released this year showed that the Queen took no part in the sacking of the Labor prime minister, which plunged Australia into a constitutional crisis. However, the letters reveal that Prince Charles was the first member of the royal family to back Sir John.

    The dismissal was the result of a political impasse after Mr Whitlam’s government had been rocked by scandals and an economic crisis. The opposition urged Sir John to sack Mr Whitlam unless he agreed to call an election.

    In March 1976, four months after the sacking, the prince, aged 27, wrote to express sympathy for the governor-general. “Please don’t lose heart,” he wrote. “What you did last year was right and the courageous thing to do — and most Australians seemed to endorse your decision when it came to the point.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/prince-charles-backed-sacking-of-australia-pm-papers-show-wm7gpbw0z

    #TakeBackControlFromYourUnelectedRulers

    Eh? He had nothing to do with it it seems so what's the issue? Why would his retrospective approval of the act outrage someone previously on the fence?

    As it happens I think they will become a Republic during his reign but what did he do wrong here?
    Suspicions about the Queen’s role in the affair have long helped to fuel Australia’s republican movement. The papers released this year absolved the Queen of any responsibility. In fact Sir John hid his intentions to sack Mr Whitlam from the Queen. Sir John wrote to Sir Martin Charteris, the Queen’s private secretary: “I decided to take the step I took without informing the Palace in advance . . . it was better for Her Majesty NOT to know.”

    However, the revelations will foster resentment among Australia’s republicans that the future king was prepared to back the government’s dismissal.
    I'm still none the wiser. He had no role but once already done he tried to cheer up the governor-general. If that fosters resentment anything will since resentment rises even though he had no part in it.
    This decades-old revelation will have MORE impact on US election than the Hunter Biden "scandal".
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,578
    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    The comeback to this is that it’s old people getting it now isn’t it?

    witter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1319675447265865733?s=21

    The pattern in the ONS data shows decreases in young age groups and increases in older age groups.

    If that's established community spread among the older group then that's bad. If it's old folk catching it directly from the young 'uns, then you'd expect the rates for old folk to follow the young age groups down.
    If the old folks only catch it from their family, and don’t pass it on, it won’t be so bad in terms of future R.
    Not so good for the future death rate though, which has risen quite rapidly. another 224 reported today - yes, I know it's not today's number, but we are heading upwards quickly.

    To the government's credit, they do seem to be making decisions taking into account the infection spread in older ages and not just on overall infection rates and the R number. As has been repeated numerous times, it looks like infections are down among students but up among older age groups.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    edited October 2020
    Anecdata which surprised me.

    The couple of student houses I rent out in Nottingham are nearly on the point of having contracts signed for academic year 2021-2022. That's around a month earlier than last year, which was itself very early. They are very nice houses, though, and have just had their 6-7 yearly redo.

    Not quite sure what it tells me, mind.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited October 2020

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    Presuming that "Democrats" and "Republicans" mean people who are registered by party, then this is NOT (necesarily) bad news for Biden, because:

    1. Republicans tend to vote earlier than Democrats anyway, so fact that early voting by registered Dems is at same rate as for registered Reps is GOOD news for Biden & other Dems.

    2. Clear from polling & other evidence that MANY Republican and R-leaning voters are voting THIS election for Biden & other Dems, esp. suburban voters in places like Miami-Dade.
    Republicans do not tend to vote earlier than Democrats. Republicans historically led VBM because it was mostly older wealthy people and a relatively small section of the electorate, that is not the case this year. Democrats tended to vote more heavily in the total early vote by wining in-person.

    These trends have been supercharged this year.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/321602/extreme-partisan-gaps-early-voting-emerge-year.aspx

    Secondly if you are pinning your hopes on Rs voting Biden any more than Ds for Trump you are likely going to be disappointed.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    Nigelb said:
    That coupled with strong isolation measures would actually be a great way of getting levels down to basically zero.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,423

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    MrEd said:

    OllyT said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters

    https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1319605958037950470?s=20

    Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology.
    24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event?
    Malarkey.
    I suspect that both Rasmussen and Trafalgar are basically trousering money from GOP backers to keep producing "polls" that make it look like they are still in the race.

    Rasmussen was the only pollster projecting a GOP lead in the mid-terms. They lost by 8.4%.

    Rasmussen are the only pollster telling us Trump has a positive approval rating whilst everyone else has a disapproval rating of around 7 to 20%.

    There are very good reasons these too are graded as C/ C- pollsters.
    Rasmussen final 2016 national poll Clinton +2%

    Result Clinton +2%
    More recently, mid-terms Rasmussen GOP +1, Actual result Dems +8.4%.

    Massive Fail
    To be fair to Rasmussen - and @HYFUD (who quite frankly should be congratulated for taking the sh1t he does):

    If you look at the 2018 voter numbers, what happened was that Democrats turned out in similar numbers to 2016 but the Republican number fell by (memory serves me right) 10m+. It could have been that where Rasmussen got it wrong was assuming that 2018 would see a relatively similar to turnout to mid-year campaigns when compared to 2014.

    Also, one thing to bear in mind. In 2018, Gen X and below outvoted older age groups (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/). If you take NC as a guide, then that is reversed this time round.
    Early voting is traditionally dominated by OLDER voters. SO fact that that early voting by younger voters is lagging behind EV by geezers is NOT a surprising development.
    When early voting was just wealthy older people, sure. Given early voting has gotten bigger a lot faster this year you would have expected the elderly lead to fall off.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362

    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss

    You’ve let it take over your life already, Horse? That sounds rather Siri.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,602
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    There are 344k mailed ballots that have been received but not processed yet in miami-dade.
    Where do you have that info from ?
    https://www.miamidadedems.org/florida_early_voting_results_2020
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    isamisam Posts: 40,995
    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    OllyT said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters

    https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1319605958037950470?s=20

    Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology.
    24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event?
    Malarkey.
    I suspect that both Rasmussen and Trafalgar are basically trousering money from GOP backers to keep producing "polls" that make it look like they are still in the race.

    Rasmussen was the only pollster projecting a GOP lead in the mid-terms. They lost by 8.4%.

    Rasmussen are the only pollster telling us Trump has a positive approval rating whilst everyone else has a disapproval rating of around 7 to 20%.

    There are very good reasons these too are graded as C/ C- pollsters.
    Rasmussen final 2016 national poll Clinton +2%

    Result Clinton +2%
    More recently, mid-terms Rasmussen GOP +1, Actual result Dems +8.4%.

    Massive Fail
    To be fair to Rasmussen - and @HYFUD (who quite frankly should be congratulated for taking the sh1t he does):

    If you look at the 2018 voter numbers, what happened was that Democrats turned out in similar numbers to 2016 but the Republican number fell by (memory serves me right) 10m+. It could have been that where Rasmussen got it wrong was assuming that 2018 would see a relatively similar to turnout to mid-year campaigns when compared to 2014.

    Also, one thing to bear in mind. In 2018, Gen X and below outvoted older age groups (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/). If you take NC as a guide, then that is reversed this time round.
    Early voting is traditionally dominated by OLDER voters. SO fact that that early voting by younger voters is lagging behind EV by geezers is NOT a surprising development.
    (a) the NC votes are for both In Person and Mail In. and (b) the underperformance is very significant - 22% of votes so far vs 40% of the electorate. Given how many people have voted in NC so far, are you really saying the 40 and under vote is going to recover that much on election day? Note also these were the people who were supposedly more vehement about getting rid of Trump.

    Theory - I suspect the closure of many college campuses is hitting the younger cohort votes, which is disadvantageous for Biden
    I say what I say NOT what you want me to say. As for who is (more) correct, well, we'll just have to see.
    I just want you to say what you believe, that's all. As you said, we will see soon.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,147

    MrEd said:

    OllyT said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters

    https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1319605958037950470?s=20

    Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology.
    24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event?
    Malarkey.
    I suspect that both Rasmussen and Trafalgar are basically trousering money from GOP backers to keep producing "polls" that make it look like they are still in the race.

    Rasmussen was the only pollster projecting a GOP lead in the mid-terms. They lost by 8.4%.

    Rasmussen are the only pollster telling us Trump has a positive approval rating whilst everyone else has a disapproval rating of around 7 to 20%.

    There are very good reasons these too are graded as C/ C- pollsters.
    Rasmussen final 2016 national poll Clinton +2%

    Result Clinton +2%
    More recently, mid-terms Rasmussen GOP +1, Actual result Dems +8.4%.

    Massive Fail
    To be fair to Rasmussen - and @HYFUD (who quite frankly should be congratulated for taking the sh1t he does):

    If you look at the 2018 voter numbers, what happened was that Democrats turned out in similar numbers to 2016 but the Republican number fell by (memory serves me right) 10m+. It could have been that where Rasmussen got it wrong was assuming that 2018 would see a relatively similar to turnout to mid-year campaigns when compared to 2014.

    Also, one thing to bear in mind. In 2018, Gen X and below outvoted older age groups (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/). If you take NC as a guide, then that is reversed this time round.
    Early voting is traditionally dominated by OLDER voters. SO fact that that early voting by younger voters is lagging behind EV by geezers is NOT a surprising development.
    When early voting was just wealthy older people, sure. Given early voting has gotten bigger a lot faster this year you would have expected the elderly lead to fall off.
    Not if it's mostly people worried about Covid who are voting early.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    Presuming that "Democrats" and "Republicans" mean people who are registered by party, then this is NOT (necesarily) bad news for Biden, because:

    1. Republicans tend to vote earlier than Democrats anyway, so fact that early voting by registered Dems is at same rate as for registered Reps is GOOD news for Biden & other Dems.

    2. Clear from polling & other evidence that MANY Republican and R-leaning voters are voting THIS election for Biden & other Dems, esp. suburban voters in places like Miami-Dade.
    Republicans do not tend to vote earlier than Democrats. Republicans historically led VBM because it was mostly older wealthy people and a relatively small section of the electorate, that is not the case this year. Democrats tended to vote more heavily in the total early vote by wining in-person.

    These trends have been supercharged this year.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/321602/extreme-partisan-gaps-early-voting-emerge-year.aspx

    Secondly if you are pinning your hopes on Rs voting Biden any more than Ds for Trump you are likely going to be disappointed.
    I think the data has been pretty clear that Republicans are overwhelmingly backing Trump. Sure, there might be changes in the Independent vote but that is something different.
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    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    Presuming that "Democrats" and "Republicans" mean people who are registered by party, then this is NOT (necesarily) bad news for Biden, because:

    1. Republicans tend to vote earlier than Democrats anyway, so fact that early voting by registered Dems is at same rate as for registered Reps is GOOD news for Biden & other Dems.

    2. Clear from polling & other evidence that MANY Republican and R-leaning voters are voting THIS election for Biden & other Dems, esp. suburban voters in places like Miami-Dade.
    Republicans do not tend to vote earlier than Democrats. Republicans historically led VBM because it was mostly older wealthy people and a relatively small section of the electorate, that is not the case this year. Democrats tended to vote more heavily in the total early vote by wining in-person.

    These trends have been supercharged this year.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/321602/extreme-partisan-gaps-early-voting-emerge-year.aspx

    Secondly if you are pinning your hopes on Rs voting Biden any more than Ds for Trump you are likely going to be disappointed.
    Like these guys?

    https://tinyurl.com/yxb7nvjd

    I think most are more interested in which way independents go.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,423
    edited October 2020

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you from memory where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2020

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    In general I've found the US Postal Service to be pretty reliable. First class mail to the other side of the country usually gets there within a couple of days, which I think ain't bad given the distances.

    One nice feature the USPS offers, and maybe the RM does too these days, is a daily email of scans of the outside of every envelope you'll be receiving that day. Also, the USPS is excellent at mail forwarding: they do it for free and the posties are trained to intercept any stray pieces sent to your old address once the move date has arrived that didn't get redirected at the sorting office.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    edited October 2020
    ydoethur said:

    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss

    You’ve let it take over your life already, Horse? That sounds rather Siri.
    Never had an iPhone.

    Still don't understand why people would want one, unless they aspire to be fashion victims, advertising executives or car salesmen.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited October 2020
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    There are 344k mailed ballots that have been received but not processed yet in miami-dade.
    Where do you have that info from ?
    https://www.miamidadedems.org/florida_early_voting_results_2020
    I can't find a 344K figure but...
    334K mailed ballots pending return or processing in Miami-Dade.
    ...does not mean received but not processed, that means there are 334K ballots outstanding in total.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss

    You’ve let it take over your life already, Horse? That sounds rather Siri.
    Never had an iPhone.

    Still don't understand why people would want one, unless they aspire to be fashion victims, advertising executives or car salesmen.

    Or, I suppose, Londoners.
    I quite like my iPhone.

    But I wouldn’t want to update it every year.

    I actually updated mine a few weeks ago after five years. But that was because the battery died on the old one, and as I couldn’t load PB on it any more I didn’t think it was worth a new battery.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    edited October 2020
    MattW said:

    Anecdata which surprised me.

    The couple of student houses I rent out in Nottingham are nearly on the point of having contracts signed for academic year 2021-2022. That's around a month earlier than last year, which was itself very early. They are very nice houses, though, and have just had their 6-7 yearly redo.

    Not quite sure what it tells me, mind.

    Perhaps a reaction to living in Student Halls in a time of COVID, and perhaps (optimistically) more 1st years have got around to reading the City Council policy on student accommodation - which is essentially to force more into Halls.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
    I thought the class 325 mail trains were back in use, after a fairly brief period of withdrawal.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    rpjs said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
    I thought the class 325 mail trains were back in use, after a fairly brief period of withdrawal.
    They are. I saw one at Rugeley Trent Valley only a couple of weeks ago. Was very surprised to see it as I hadn’t heard about their being put back into service.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss

    You’ve let it take over your life already, Horse? That sounds rather Siri.
    Never had an iPhone.

    Still don't understand why people would want one, unless they aspire to be fashion victims, advertising executives or car salesmen.

    Or, I suppose, Londoners.
    I quite like my iPhone.

    But I wouldn’t want to update it every year.

    I actually updated mine a few weeks ago after five years. But that was because the battery died on the old one, and as I couldn’t load PB on it any more I didn’t think it was worth a new battery.
    Being rude about Apple is one of the small morally uplifting joys of life.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,423
    edited October 2020
    rpjs said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
    I thought the class 325 mail trains were back in use, after a fairly brief period of withdrawal.
    Yes, you jog my memory. They did get to the point when no mail at all was going by train, the problem being that carrying mail as an adjunct to the passenger network wasn’t working. But there were plans for a network of dedicated mail trains, and I did some work myself on the union agreement for the new rail terminal at Willesden. They just carry containers of sorted Mail as an alternative to HGVs on the motorway, and aren’t Mail trains in the old fashioned sense.

    But I‘ve been gone almost ten years now, and am not up to speed with the current balance of transport
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    If I comment on that I may say something I regret.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    Incidentally, I think we can abandon the search for most epic self awareness fail of the twenty first century and all do whatever the fuck we like for the next 80 years.

    Advert on the radio urging people to buy a new book.

    ‘Do you think the real heroes of Covid-19 are Captain Tom and NHS workers rather than pointless, self-obsessed celebrities?’

    Said the author.

    Piers Morgan.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    There are 344k mailed ballots that have been received but not processed yet in miami-dade.
    Where do you have that info from ?
    https://www.miamidadedems.org/florida_early_voting_results_2020
    I can't find a 344K figure but...
    334K mailed ballots pending return or processing in Miami-Dade.
    ...does not mean received but not processed, that means there are 334K ballots outstanding in total.
    Bugger, misread that sentence. Missed the 'pending return' part.

    And I read it twice to make sure as I couldna believe it.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Trefaldwyn is very beautiful. I was there one New Years Eve, eating in one of the many restaurants that line the square. We all came out of the restaurants at midnight & sang ...

    The church and museum are also very fine.

    My conversation with WelshOwl became a bit garbled. Poor chap is quite broken up about his socks. I was trying to cheer him up with the hope of an Asda in Welshpool.

    There is a Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl in Welshpool, that is all, I think.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss

    You’ve let it take over your life already, Horse? That sounds rather Siri.
    Never had an iPhone.

    Still don't understand why people would want one, unless they aspire to be fashion victims, advertising executives or car salesmen.
    My Poco f1 was such good value that they have now discontinued them.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,374
    A truly great Republican President once described America as the shining city on the hill and urged that the best was yet to come. I don’t think that forcibly separating young kids from their parents in such a way as they cannot be reunited was what he had in mind.

    This man is repulsive, revolting and repugnant. Enough, for god’s sake America, enough.
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    Re: analysis of early voting patterns, your truly has been observing elections for some time in WA State, which is all vote-by-mail state, and where even before it went all-postal had more absentees than poll voters.

    In my experience, trying to make sense of what's happening each election is a REAL challenge, indeed something of a crapshoot.

    Why? For one thing, basic elements keep changing; for example, the introduction here of pre-paid postage for returned ballots, which resulted in significant turnout increase. Also the expansion of number of ballot drop boxes, which likewise help increase turnout.

    Of course there ARE some trends that continue to apply, such as geezers being more likely to send back their ballots as soon as they get them in the mail, which means they tend to dominate the earliest returns.

    BUT each election is different, and you can go made trying to forecast what's gonna happen NEXT week with returns on the basis of what transpired THIS week.

    SO keep in mind that the tidal flood of early voting we are seeing in 2020 is like the river that the old Greek guy said was always changing.
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,392

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I remember in my youth (1977) posting a birthday card second class on my way to school and it was delivered to my granny that lunchtime, effectively a day too soon.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    MattW said:

    If I comment on that I may say something I regret.
    At first I thought it was going to finish by saying ‘government,’ and I fleetingly wondered how we could persuade it to come here and take over the government of the UK.

    After all, it could hardly be worse than what we have.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362

    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Trefaldwyn is very beautiful. I was there one New Years Eve, eating in one of the many restaurants that line the square. We all came out of the restaurants at midnight & sang ...

    The church and museum are also very fine.

    My conversation with WelshOwl became a bit garbled. Poor chap is quite broken up about his socks. I was trying to cheer him up with the hope of an Asda in Welshpool.

    There is a Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl in Welshpool, that is all, I think.
    Yes, I only went there once but I liked it. Like you, I had a lovely meal at a very charming cafe in the main square. And the church and the castle were both well worth a visit.
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    Even Bibi doesn't want to play ball anymore.

    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1319681276236922882?s=20
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,602
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you from memory where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
    Best bit was the nightmail crossing the border and throwing off bags into nets and catching them from catenary pegs.

    I loved that.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Trefaldwyn is very beautiful. I was there one New Years Eve, eating in one of the many restaurants that line the square. We all came out of the restaurants at midnight & sang ...

    The church and museum are also very fine.

    My conversation with WelshOwl became a bit garbled. Poor chap is quite broken up about his socks. I was trying to cheer him up with the hope of an Asda in Welshpool.

    There is a Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl in Welshpool, that is all, I think.
    Yes I’ve. It the faintest about the geography round that part of the world.

    Anyway back to darning my socks and hoping the thread lasts till the 9th!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    DavidL said:

    A truly great Republican President once described America as the shining city on the hill and urged that the best was yet to come. I don’t think that forcibly separating young kids from their parents in such a way as they cannot be reunited was what he had in mind.

    This man is repulsive, revolting and repugnant. Enough, for god’s sake America, enough.

    Er...I think that was Kennedy, and I’m 99% sure he was a Democrat.

    Or are you referring to the time Reagan quoted Kennedy?
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    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.
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    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Many years ago was touring the Scottish Higlands, and visited Fort William. And since it was a beautiful clear day - in November! - decided to climb Ben Nevis.

    Landlord of my B&B strongly urged that I take PLENTY of water with me. So started out bright and early - by stopping at Safeway to buy bottled water.

    Which tickled me, because at that time the nearest grocery to my humble abode in Seattle was also a Safeway.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    And so it begins,,,https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1319693351684173824
    I can see this becoming more and more regular in other states as the next few days progress
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,374
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    A truly great Republican President once described America as the shining city on the hill and urged that the best was yet to come. I don’t think that forcibly separating young kids from their parents in such a way as they cannot be reunited was what he had in mind.

    This man is repulsive, revolting and repugnant. Enough, for god’s sake America, enough.

    Er...I think that was Kennedy, and I’m 99% sure he was a Democrat.

    Or are you referring to the time Reagan quoted Kennedy?
    Reagan said it repeatedly. He may well have been copying Kennedy who had the best speech writers of any President ever.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    An article that neatly summarises why I hold Roberts in such contempt.

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1319612574355345408?s=19
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362

    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Many years ago was touring the Scottish Higlands, and visited Fort William. And since it was a beautiful clear day - in November! - decided to climb Ben Nevis.

    Landlord of my B&B strongly urged that I take PLENTY of water with me. So started out bright and early - by stopping at Safeway to buy bottled water.

    Which tickled me, because at that time the nearest grocery to my humble abode in Seattle was also a Safeway.
    Now it’s a Morrison’s, of course.

    They do a mean breakfast there though, and as it’s next to the station you can trainspot while you eat it.
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    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
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    Feel that Tories haven't been c*nty enough this week? Benny B. is your man.

    https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman/status/1319700277197479940?s=20
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,707

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you from memory where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
    Best bit was the nightmail crossing the border and throwing off bags into nets and catching them from catenary pegs.

    I loved that.
    You can see it in the flesh on the Great Central Railway.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,897
    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    I've already pointed ouit that the Whitehall types forgot the lower tiers anyway, as ad nauseam discussed here yesterday. So the only thing to do was to do a sensible patch job.

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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    welshowl said:

    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Trefaldwyn is very beautiful. I was there one New Years Eve, eating in one of the many restaurants that line the square. We all came out of the restaurants at midnight & sang ...

    The church and museum are also very fine.

    My conversation with WelshOwl became a bit garbled. Poor chap is quite broken up about his socks. I was trying to cheer him up with the hope of an Asda in Welshpool.

    There is a Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl in Welshpool, that is all, I think.
    Yes I’ve. It the faintest about the geography round that part of the world.

    Anyway back to darning my socks and hoping the thread lasts till the 9th!
    The Walian travel tips of YDoethur and myself can be trusted.

    When you can move more than 5 miles from your prison, and when the restaurants are open again, and when it is a bright day ... then treat yourself & your wife & any WelshOwlets to a visit to Montgomery.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited October 2020

    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    20k cases announced today. According to ONS, R rate is down. New Cases falling in places like Liverpool, Newcastle & Nottingham.
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    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    A truly great Republican President once described America as the shining city on the hill and urged that the best was yet to come. I don’t think that forcibly separating young kids from their parents in such a way as they cannot be reunited was what he had in mind.

    This man is repulsive, revolting and repugnant. Enough, for god’s sake America, enough.

    Er...I think that was Kennedy, and I’m 99% sure he was a Democrat.

    Or are you referring to the time Reagan quoted Kennedy?
    Reagan said it repeatedly. He may well have been copying Kennedy who had the best speech writers of any President ever.
    "City on A hill" is definitely associated more with Ronald Reagan than JFK.

    As for any plagiarism, note Jesus used this tern of phrase in the Sermon on the Mount.

    Where HE stole it from, I cannot tell you.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    welshowl said:

    ydoethur said:

    welshowl said:



    Yeah take your point, and also that Montgomery is probably the sort of place with a butcher, baker, and greengrocer on the high st and Asda lurking on the outskirts ( don’t know just guessing) and the whole suggestion got taken up by the illuminati that govern us from Cardiff Bay without actually remotely thinking it through.

    An ASDA. In Montgomery !! I said, drab, busy, red-bricked Welshpool.

    Montgomery is an affluent & beautiful village in the Cotswolds that has unaccountably misunderstood its geography lesson and ended up 150 miles west of where it was properly meant to be. It is disbelieving of the ruffianly company it has to keep in the rest of the county to which it gives its name.

    There won't be any supermarkets in Montgomery. At all.

    Artisanal delicatessens, bistro restaurants, organic dairies & perhaps an old-fashioned Spar for the elderly.
    With a massive castle on a steep hill overlooking the town.

    Never realised there was an Asda in Welshpool. There is of course a massive Tesco in the middle of Newtown.
    Trefaldwyn is very beautiful. I was there one New Years Eve, eating in one of the many restaurants that line the square. We all came out of the restaurants at midnight & sang ...

    The church and museum are also very fine.

    My conversation with WelshOwl became a bit garbled. Poor chap is quite broken up about his socks. I was trying to cheer him up with the hope of an Asda in Welshpool.

    There is a Tesco, Sainsburys and Lidl in Welshpool, that is all, I think.
    Yes I’ve. It the faintest about the geography round that part of the world.

    Anyway back to darning my socks and hoping the thread lasts till the 9th!
    The Walian travel tips of YDoethur and myself can be trusted.

    When you can move more than 5 miles from your prison, and when the restaurants are open again, and when it is a bright day ... then treat yourself & your wife & any WelshOwlets to a visit to Montgomery.
    Yes, when I’m allowed north of Taff’s Well. I suspect the border post at Castell Coch is being fortified as I speak☹️.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,707
    Bradford cases rising week on week and back above Leeds.

    Tier 3 some time next week, I suspect.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    A truly great Republican President once described America as the shining city on the hill and urged that the best was yet to come. I don’t think that forcibly separating young kids from their parents in such a way as they cannot be reunited was what he had in mind.

    This man is repulsive, revolting and repugnant. Enough, for god’s sake America, enough.

    Er...I think that was Kennedy, and I’m 99% sure he was a Democrat.

    Or are you referring to the time Reagan quoted Kennedy?
    I believe it was Reagan but he may have been paraphrasing Jesus.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    It’s one of the things that the UK is very good at, everywhere else I’ve ever lived has a rubbish postal system by comparison.

    The British postal system has long been set up to achieve swift deliveries. Indeed in 19th Century London people expected same day delivery - correspondence “by return of post” - and central London in the 1880s had twelve deliveries daily to achieve this. Even when I started in the City of London sorting office in the 1980s, the local element of the morning collection was targetted internally for delivery with that day’s second delivery, even though this wasn’t considered reliable enough to advertise.
    In the day's before email, there was a market for that - in big cities if you posted by midday you might get it to the recipient by 5pm and get your own response by 5pm the next day (so 24-30 hour turnarounds).
    I guess the issue for the US is the reverse; because of its size, a speedy delivery standard has never been achievable, and I’d imagine in the early days it must have taken an age to get mail across the states, or indeed to get mail out to remote settlements within a state, this improving as transport slowly improved. Whereas in our case the standards achievable during the same era when the Wild West was being won were actually better than today’s.
    Yes, that's fair. I suppose it would explain an extra day or two. It shouldn't explain away an extra week.

    And, lots of similar sized countries to the UK aren't as good either.

    Maybe this is one thing we've got right?
    When I started it was a complex and fascinating network, and the circulation team at headquarters were something else - they had an encyclopaedic knowledge of transport routings and could tell you from memory where a letter from, say, Exeter to Norwich would be at any time along its journey. We used road, rail, air and sea, had a whole series of intermediate vouching offices across the country each aggregating and disaggregating mail en route, sorted mail on trains and collected and dropped it off along the way, often without the trains having to stop, and had our own underground railway beneath London linking all the main sorting offices and railway stations.

    Sadly it’s now a lot more boring, if more controllable, with everything going into one of sixty large sorting centres and lorries going by road from each to each of the others. Aside from selective use of internal flights, that’s it.
    Best bit was the nightmail crossing the border and throwing off bags into nets and catching them from catenary pegs.

    I loved that.
    You can see it in the flesh on the Great Central Railway.
    The GWRS at Didcot also have TPO demonstrations, though the GCR operation is more exciting.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,296

    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    Sorry if I missed it but what vaccine news?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    Some tentative evidence for masks reducing viral challenge, and therefore disease severity:

    https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1319672243920699392
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    A truly great Republican President once described America as the shining city on the hill and urged that the best was yet to come. I don’t think that forcibly separating young kids from their parents in such a way as they cannot be reunited was what he had in mind.

    This man is repulsive, revolting and repugnant. Enough, for god’s sake America, enough.

    Er...I think that was Kennedy, and I’m 99% sure he was a Democrat.

    Or are you referring to the time Reagan quoted Kennedy?
    I believe it was Reagan but he may have been paraphrasing Jesus.
    John F Kennedy was not Jesus.

    For a start, he didn’t come back to life after being killed.

    For another thing, outside the febrile imagination of Dan Brown nobody has accused Jesus of molesting teenage girls.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    The Tories cocked up by coming up with an idiotic suggestion about banning non essential goods sales in Wales, and not realising the Welsh Govt would be bonkers enough to take them it up, reducing shops’ business in Wales and then have the First Minister tell people not to worry because they should buy the stuff that’s banned online.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797

    I’ve got my new iPhone 12 Pro. Let me tell you it’s boss

    Tim Cook ? :smile:
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    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    Sorry if I missed it but what vaccine news?
    Bristol Uni studied the Oxford vaccine and have confirmed it appears to do what it is planned to do.
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    HYUFD said:

    Some surprisingly harsh immigration views from Yougov even amongst Labour voters

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1319674553572917251?s=20

    It might be a code for Romanian beggars (by which is meant gypsies).

    I'm not sure views would be much different for British rough-sleepers who refuse support - although that would be to use magistrate orders to evict them and put them into emergency accommodation.
    Emergency accommodation where the drug pushers they are trying to avoid can find them more easily?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,015

    Even Bibi doesn't want to play ball anymore.

    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1319681276236922882?s=20

    I want to know what was he expecting the man to say.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,995
    Mal557 said:

    And so it begins,,,https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1319693351684173824
    I can see this becoming more and more regular in other states as the next few days progress

    The GOP can see the writing on the wall with the Clark county ballot return mix. Talk about a political party becoming fascist in plain sight though.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,806
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,015

    Feel that Tories haven't been c*nty enough this week? Benny B. is your man.

    https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman/status/1319700277197479940?s=20

    Moments like that make you wonder if politicians realise others can see their tweets, and what they hope to gain from using twitter.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
    Wheat a suggestion.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,921
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    MrEd said:

    Slightly worrying data for Biden here, I think (see also the next tweet):

    https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1319656515070996480

    This is what I picked up on Ralston's site re Nevada - haven't verified the numbers yet but bad for Biden if true

    https://twitter.com/Jay44686912/status/1319651018859147264
    That's only in person early voting. Add in mail in votes and you have

    220K Dems
    145K Republicans
    Clinton won Miami-Date by 290K votes. If IPEV stays at that ratio, and the Republicans turn out more on the day, then Biden is looking at a lot of lost votes he needs to recapture
    One thing that's really weird about the US is how slow the mail service is. I'm testing a print on demand service right now for my business. A postcard was mailed - First Class - from Minneapolis to my home last Wednesday. As of end Thursday (as in end yesterday) it still hadn't arrived.
    Isn't one of the GOP's strategies this year for Trump's mate at the head of the postal service to slow down the mail whilst at the same time trying to rule out votes that were posted in time but haven't arrived before election day?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,015

    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    Sorry if I missed it but what vaccine news?
    Bristol Uni studied the Oxford vaccine and have confirmed it appears to do what it is planned to do.
    Brainwash us, according to Piers Corbyn. I assume.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,359
    edited October 2020
    This is utter madness as Amazon benefit and other online businesses

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1319705156938829826?s=09

    The local community Facebook page is off the scale of anger
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,806
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
    Wheat a suggestion.
    I'm not up to it tonight. I may need to see a dentist about a sorghum.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,064
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:
    That coupled with strong isolation measures would actually be a great way of getting levels down to basically zero.
    It's a much more sensible strategy than our strategy.

    It won't get you to zero, but it will keep infections at a relatively low level (say a couple of thousand a day) while returning life to near normal for everyone else.
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    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    The alternative was Wales' system.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,296
    Alistair said:

    An article that neatly summarises why I hold Roberts in such contempt.

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1319612574355345408?s=19

    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    Sorry if I missed it but what vaccine news?
    Bristol Uni studied the Oxford vaccine and have confirmed it appears to do what it is planned to do.
    Cheers. Sounds like a really promising moment. Really do think the vaccine will be in use before Christmas now, even if only selected populations/frontline nhs.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,347
    edited October 2020
    kle4 said:

    Feel that Tories haven't been c*nty enough this week? Benny B. is your man.

    https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman/status/1319700277197479940?s=20

    Moments like that make you wonder if politicians realise others can see their tweets, and what they hope to gain from using twitter.

    This may be my tweet of the day:

    https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/1319683559993581574
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
    Wheat a suggestion.
    I'm not up to it tonight. I may need to see a dentist about a sorghum.
    Thanks. Always wondered how that was spelt.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,015
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
    Wheat til he gives it a go.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Vaccine news is good.

    How have the Tories cocked up today, cases remain out of control.

    Sorry if I missed it but what vaccine news?
    Bristol Uni studied the Oxford vaccine and have confirmed it appears to do what it is planned to do.
    (mega) gongs on standby for the team.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,806
    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
    Wheat a suggestion.
    I'm not up to it tonight. I may need to see a dentist about a sorghum.
    Thanks. Always wondered how that was spelt.
    Is spelling a cereal issue for you?
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    IF any PBers want to observe actually voting and ballot processing for this election, they can check out the webcams at King County Elections headquarters in Renton, Washington

    https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/elections/about-us/security-and-accountability/watch-us-in-action.aspx

    Activities viewable via live cam include:

    > Election service center (where voters with issues can come in person to register, get ballots and vote)

    > Drop box sorting

    > Sorting (of all returned ballots, into batches for verification, quality control and eventual tabulation)

    > Alternative format ballot processing

    > Signature verification

    > Envelope review (for ballots that are "challenged" by election workers due mostly to missing or mismatched signatures)

    > Opening (where ballots approved from counting are taken out of envelops and inspected)

    > Ballot review (where ballots with issues such as voter corrections, stray marks, etc are processed by teams of workers)

    > Scanning and tabulation (where approved, processed ballots are scanned into tabulators, with actual votes NOT tabulated until AFTER 8pm on Election Day)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,362
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    What prompted the SNPs move to a Boris style Tier system?

    Boris has 3 tiers.

    So the SNP has to have 5.

    The answer probably lies in Nippy Nicky losing to Boris in one of those "threes and fives" games of cards.

    Just a theory.
    The Scotch expertise on here is, as ever, a wonderful resource.
    You clearly feel rye.
    You're barley making an effort now.
    Wheat a suggestion.
    I'm not up to it tonight. I may need to see a dentist about a sorghum.
    Now that is a brilliantly obscure pun on many levels, Doc. I will freely admit I am amaized at your genius.
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