The post debate betting moves just a touch to Trump – politicalbetting.com
The Smarkets chart shows how the Biden-Trump betting has moved following the debate and as can be seen punters are just a touch more confident about the incumbent but there’s really been very little movement.
The Latino vote will largely go for Biden with the exception of Florida where the Cuban American vote is swinging increasingly to Trump, so that means Biden should hold all Hillary's states in the West and maybe add Arizona with suburban women but Florida could still be key
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology. 24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event? Malarkey.
Trump emphasised what he was doing for the African American community in the debate last night on the economy and criminal justice reform and Biden's backing for the 1994 crime bill which increased African American incarceration and the latest poll figures were taken post debate
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology. 24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event? Malarkey.
Trump emphasised what he was doing for the African American community in the debate last night on the economy and criminal justice reform and Biden's backing for the 1994 crime bill which increased African American incarceration and the latest poll figures were taken post debate
And that is enough to win a near doubling of approval? Malarkey.
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What could possibly have provoked a near doubling of black approval of Trump in 5 days?
Smells fake to me.
I wouldn't say fake, but it's a subsample, likely to be extremely noisy, and so they obviously only choose to highlight it when the noise randomly imitates a coherent signal.
Seeing the daily figures for the past month (or six) would let you know for sure.
Just discovered Javid is more than a month older than Andy Burnham. One seemed a blast from a bygone age. The other contemporary. We could, however, see them fighting out a GE in the 2030's.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology. 24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event? Malarkey.
Trump emphasised what he was doing for the African American community in the debate last night on the economy and criminal justice reform and Biden's backing for the 1994 crime bill which increased African American incarceration and the latest poll figures were taken post debate
But most of the "change" happened before the debate. Did they somehow anticipate it?
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology. 24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event? Malarkey.
Trump emphasised what he was doing for the African American community in the debate last night on the economy and criminal justice reform and Biden's backing for the 1994 crime bill which increased African American incarceration and the latest poll figures were taken post debate
But most of the "change" happened before the debate. Did they somehow anticipate it?
The biggest single change was today and it mirrors what the polls are showing, Biden is doing better with white voters than Hillary did but Trump is doing better with the black vote than he did in 2016
About half of Republicans support a public health insurance option, a mini green new deal, and UBI. Half also quite soft on immigration issues and think that African Americans face widespread discrimination. Are they in the right party?
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What could possibly have provoked a near doubling of black approval of Trump in 5 days?
Smells fake to me.
It's a tweet by their official account.
So what?
Why would they fake one of their own polls? An outlier, perhaps, but fake?
I'm not suggesting it's the reporting of the poll that's fake. I'm suggesting the methodology is fake.
Hm, what methodology did they use, and what even is a "fake methodology"? As suggested earlier, it could be a small subsample. That doesn't make it fake.
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What could possibly have provoked a near doubling of black approval of Trump in 5 days?
Smells fake to me.
I wouldn't say fake, but it's a subsample, likely to be extremely noisy, and so they obviously only choose to highlight it when the noise randomly imitates a coherent signal.
Seeing the daily figures for the past month (or six) would let you know for sure.
Yes, that's fair.
Looking at their twitter feed doesn't give confidence in Rasmussen's neutrality. For example:
- A re-tweet of a Trump tweet
- "We'd like to thank @libertynation - Conservative News Where The Truth Matters - for sponsoring our Daily Presidential Tracking Poll this week!"
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
I think it's because politics has the feeling of being something predetermined but that we cannot fully see in advance, whereas a horse race feels like it has more of an element of randomness.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What could possibly have provoked a near doubling of black approval of Trump in 5 days?
Smells fake to me.
Seems implausible that anyone non-white could vote for someone that is so obviously racist. I guess there will still be some, in the same way as some here voted UKIP, but "African American voters moving more to Trump?" Seriously? I mean, seriously?!!!
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
I think it's because politics has the feeling of being something predetermined but that we cannot fully see in advance, whereas a horse race feels like it has more of an element of randomness.
Indeed. There is a very good chance that after the election, the 10% chance given to Trump will look thoroughly stupid. If the election was re-run 1,000 times, Trump would get stuffed every time. Whereas, a 10-1 shot in a football match might win six or seven times out of 100 tries.
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What could possibly have provoked a near doubling of black approval of Trump in 5 days?
Smells fake to me.
It's a tweet by their official account.
So what?
Why would they fake one of their own polls? An outlier, perhaps, but fake?
I'm not suggesting it's the reporting of the poll that's fake. I'm suggesting the methodology is fake.
Hm, what methodology did they use, and what even is a "fake methodology"? As suggested earlier, it could be a small subsample. That doesn't make it fake.
No reputable polling company would be tweeting out results from a small subsample.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Come on. If you obtained variance like that, you'd junk your methodology. 24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event? Malarkey.
Trump emphasised what he was doing for the African American community in the debate last night on the economy and criminal justice reform and Biden's backing for the 1994 crime bill which increased African American incarceration and the latest poll figures were taken post debate
And that is enough to win a near doubling of approval? Malarkey.
Backdated no less. Trump's debating performance was so powerful it went back in time several days.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
Exactly what I’m doing. Once a week or so to the local supermarket. That’s it given I’m in one of the wrist locations possible at present.
Now it’s all very well to laugh at the microwaves being covered up at Asda’s because control freakery has got out of hand in Cardiff bay ( I mean if you can buy beans in aisle 9 why can’t you buy a kettle in aisle 10 if you’re in the shop anyway? How’s that superspreading?), because if I really wanted a microwave or a kettle Mr Bezos will supply. However, what if I’m an 85 year old granny, who’s not too hot on the internet and I just want to make a cup of tea and Drakeford’s banned me from getting a bloody kettle till a fortnight on Monday?
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
There’s certainly a number of high-profile black republicans standing for congress this year. Wesley Hunt and Kimberly Klacik, to give two examples, have been getting a lot of airtime.
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
I think it's because politics has the feeling of being something predetermined but that we cannot fully see in advance, whereas a horse race feels like it has more of an element of randomness.
Yes and we dont read hundreds of posts a week about why Jumaira Bay CANNOT win!
But I feel the same about other examples too, for instance I like to bet on cricket in play, and when my team drifts from EVS to 7/4 after a wicket, I feel like it has very little chance of winning, and have to remind myself it has the same chance as Tiger Woods in his pomp had of winning the next major! That's more momentum I guess
Another nice example... Trump has as much chance of winning as Bruno Fernandes has of scoring a goal vs Chelsea tomorrow (if he plays)!
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
Exactly what I’m doing. Once a week or so to the local supermarket. That’s it given I’m in one of the wrist locations possible at present.
Now it’s all very well to laugh at the microwaves being covered up at Asda’s because control freakery has got out of hand in Cardiff bay ( I mean if you can buy beans in aisle 9 why can’t you buy a kettle in aisle 10 if you’re in the shop anyway? How’s that superspreading?), because if I really wanted a microwave or a kettle Mr Bezos will supply. However, what if I’m an 85 year old granny, who’s not too hot on the internet and I just want to make a cup of tea and Drakeford’s banned me from getting a bloody kettle till a fortnight on Monday?
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
The approach during the first lockdown?
You do need to add in the about of about management hitting Plod over the head when they get enthusiastic.
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
Exactly what I’m doing. Once a week or so to the local supermarket. That’s it given I’m in one of the wrist locations possible at present.
Now it’s all very well to laugh at the microwaves being covered up at Asda’s because control freakery has got out of hand in Cardiff bay ( I mean if you can buy beans in aisle 9 why can’t you buy a kettle in aisle 10 if you’re in the shop anyway? How’s that superspreading?), because if I really wanted a microwave or a kettle Mr Bezos will supply. However, what if I’m an 85 year old granny, who’s not too hot on the internet and I just want to make a cup of tea and Drakeford’s banned me from getting a bloody kettle till a fortnight on Monday?
Try hard pan of water on the hob
Yes, but you know perfectly well the point I’m making.
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
This is so lunatic there’s got to be a “clarification” soon shortly?
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
The sensible approach is of course to tell people please only go to the shops for what you need, minimize your time there etc....but that is common sense approach and we aren't allowed to trust people with that.
I have sympathy for those calling the Welsh supermarket rules mad - they are.
Unfortunately, though, it seems the people I have sympathy with here do not share any of the same concern about the far bigger avalanche of equally picky segregation and categorisation rules that could face a mixed lorry load at Holyhead in a couple of months' time should the deal escape from reach.
These are the very people who cheerlead for Welsh supermaketing the entire British economy.
As opposed to Scottish Nationalists whose real raison d'etre is their hatred of people who identify as English, whether young or old, rich or poor. While I don't like the vote against the extension of free school meals, observing any Nationalist "arsehole" who supports the braindead, hate filled irrational quasi-religion of Scottish Nationalism, (let's not forget its occasional past flirtations with Nazism and Fascism), calling people who follow another party such names has to be seen as pretty rich. Nats are a very poor position to pontificate on morals.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed there is. I am merely questioning, nay dismissing, a near doubling of approval in three days. Not the fact that Trump will do better which has already been heavily suggested in polling. Just as I would not question a runner whose 100 m time went from 11 sec. to 10.8. If it went to 9.2 in three days I would suspect some weapons grade malarkey somewhere.
Worth noting that @HYUFD has swam against the tide and been right on a few things before, despite not being a slave to opinion polling in the way that others, that are for some reason afforded more respect, demand.
About half of Republicans support a public health insurance option, a mini green new deal, and UBI. Half also quite soft on immigration issues and think that African Americans face widespread discrimination. Are they in the right party?
I think this generalised support for social democratic policies across the anglophone region has meant that for the minority that lean neo-liberal you must find your majority through careful cultural division and not economic ideology.
As opposed to Scottish Nationalists whose real raison d'etre is their hatred of people who identify as English, whether young or old, rich or poor. While I don't like the vote against the extension of free school meals, observing any Nationalist "arsehole" who supports the braindead, hate filled irrational quasi-religion of Scottish Nationalism, (let's not forget its occasional past flirtations with Nazism and Fascism), calling people who follow another party such names has to be seen as pretty rich. Nats are a very poor position to pontificate on morals.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
I don't think Trump will win but there's clearly a level of complexity to how people see him and the Republicans over there that people over here simply don't get.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
+ve: there's some evidence the incidence rate growth is starting to slow, particularly amongst young people and certain worse-hit regions like the North East
-ve: we're up to around 35,000 cases per day in England alone (up to 16 October), so even if the pace of growth slows, it will remain at a high level. In addition, there is evidence that infection rates are growing among the older age groups most at risk, so the increase in hospitalisations and deaths is likely to take a while to fully catch-up.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
I give a fair hearing to reasonable arguments on inner city crime, on the economy, on Biden's sense of entitlement, etc, and the associated polling data.
But presenting ridiculously large trends in subsamples without a health warning is not part of that. Rasmussen charge for access to their crosstabs, so you can't check whether there's a simple observation bias at work in presenting random data as a trend.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What could possibly have provoked a near doubling of black approval of Trump in 5 days?
Smells fake to me.
It's a tweet by their official account.
So what?
Why would they fake one of their own polls? An outlier, perhaps, but fake?
I'm not suggesting it's the reporting of the poll that's fake. I'm suggesting the methodology is fake.
Hm, what methodology did they use, and what even is a "fake methodology"? As suggested earlier, it could be a small subsample. That doesn't make it fake.
No reputable polling company would be tweeting out results from a small subsample.
Given their daily sampling is 1500 likely voters according to 538, the black sub-sample is going to be about 200 (13.4% of 1500), assuming Rasmussen's sample reflects the overall US ethinic split.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
I think some of this is to do with binary vs multiple. For example -
Race 1 has 10 runners all at 9/1. Race 2 has 2 runners, fav at 1/9, nag at 9/1.
So, one of the 9/1 shots is bound to come in in Race 1. Therefore this will not feel like much of a surprise to an independent dispassionate observer who has no bet on. But if the 9/1 nag beats the 1/9 "racing certainty" in Race 2, that WILL feel like a real shock.
So here, with the US election, it's like Race 2, a binary 2 horse race, and of course ... I'm going to enjoy this pay off sentence ... Trump is the Nag.
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
Could be to conform to the Whitehall system, sufficiently so to get qualification for employers' support un der Mr Sunak's tiers.
I see she has in any case added a lower tier. And so on.
It makes complete sense to treat different parts of a country differently according to the level of threat. It's why Sir Keir's Circuit Break nonsense was nonsense - he probably only did it to play politics anyway I suppose.
Do you think she did 5 tiers rather than 3 to differentiate Scotland from England?
FPT: Well, she didn't have much choice, did she? As they were left out from the English system (nothing below medium, and so on, as much discussed on PB).
Meanwhile the Black vote seems to be moving more to Trump relative to 2016 which could be pivotal in Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina which have above average percentages of African American voters
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
I don't think Trump will win but there's clearly a level of complexity to how people see him and the Republicans over there that people over here simply don't get.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
Indeed, it reminds me of 2004, we Brits just did not get how on earth Americans could vote for Dubya over Kerry but forgetting that Dubya was looking to win over American voters to win a US election not win approval from voters in the UK.
In US terms the UK would be a solid blue safe Democratic state in the North East, not a swing state in the MidWest
Worth noting that @HYUFD has swam against the tide and been right on a few things before, despite not being a slave to opinion polling in the way that others, that are for some reason afforded more respect, demand.
In two horse contests he would be right half the time, but that says nothing about whether there is any value in his selective use of opinion polling to support his view.
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
I think some of this is to do with binary vs multiple. For example -
Race 1 has 10 runners all at 9/1. Race 2 has 2 runners, fav at 1/9, nag at 9/1.
So, one of the 9/1 shots is bound to come in in Race 1. Therefore this will not feel like much of a surprise to an independent dispassionate observer who has no bet on. But if the 9/1 nag beats the 1/9 "racing certainty" in Race 2, that WILL feel like a real shock.
So here, with the US election, it's like Race 2, a binary 2 horse race, and of course ... I'm going to enjoy this pay off sentence ... Trump is the Nag.
Yeah that is partly it, but it still feels different to be on the 7/1f for the Grand National than it does West Ham tmrw vs City, to me anyway despite knowing this for 20 odd years
About half of Republicans support a public health insurance option, a mini green new deal, and UBI. Half also quite soft on immigration issues and think that African Americans face widespread discrimination. Are they in the right party?
I think this generalised support for social democratic policies across the anglophone region has meant that for the minority that lean neo-liberal you must find your majority through careful cultural division and not economic ideology.
Yes, these are voters open to Dems on economic issues, but closed on social issues. Potentially a big swinging vote if Biden doesn't frighten the horses, and he doesn't look to be doing that...
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
There’s certainly a number of high-profile black republicans standing for congress this year. Wesley Hunt and Kimberly Klacik, to give two examples, have been getting a lot of airtime.
I don't think there's any doubt that Trump might be doing slightly better with African-Americans in 2020 than 2016. The key though is whether the African-American voters that turned out for Obama-Biden, but not for Clinton-Kaine, will turn out for Biden-Harris. If enough of them do, it won't matter that Trump is doing better with the demographic.
What always fascinates me about betting, maybe it's just me that sees it this way, is how something with the same chance of happening, happening feels so different, ie Trump as a 2/1 shot winning the election would seem a shock, but if the favourite wins today's 400 at Newbury (Jumaira Bay, currently a 5/2 shot on Betfair) it will be nothing to talk about, despite it being less likely to happen, according to the market, than The Donald retaining the Presidency
I think some of this is to do with binary vs multiple. For example -
Race 1 has 10 runners all at 9/1. Race 2 has 2 runners, fav at 1/9, nag at 9/1.
So, one of the 9/1 shots is bound to come in in Race 1. Therefore this will not feel like much of a surprise to an independent dispassionate observer who has no bet on. But if the 9/1 nag beats the 1/9 "racing certainty" in Race 2, that WILL feel like a real shock.
So here, with the US election, it's like Race 2, a binary 2 horse race, and of course ... I'm going to enjoy this pay off sentence ... Trump is the Nag.
Yeah that is partly it, but it still feels different to be on the 7/1f for the Grand National than it does West Ham tmrw vs City, to me anyway despite knowing this for 20 odd years
So binary factor and also favourite vs outsider
Actually that West Ham bet looks alright!
Good tip on West Ham. If they score first they park the bus well, as Leicester found out.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
I don't think Trump will win but there's clearly a level of complexity to how people see him and the Republicans over there that people over here simply don't get.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
Yes, for example there's some evidence that Trump has better favourability ratings now than in 2016. He may poll a higher percentage this time and still lose.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
I don't think Trump will win but there's clearly a level of complexity to how people see him and the Republicans over there that people over here simply don't get.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
Indeed, it reminds me of 2004, we Brits just did not get how on earth Americans could vote for Dubya over Kerry but forgetting that Dubya was looking to win over American voters to win a US election not win approval from voters in the UK.
In US terms the UK would be a solid blue safe Democratic state in the North East, not a swing state in the MidWest
Actually, I'm not sure it would. Particularly in England.
We'd see American politics then through a domestic prism, not an international one, which would broaden and change our views on both the candidates.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
I give a fair hearing to reasonable arguments on inner city crime, on the economy, on Biden's sense of entitlement, etc, and the associated polling data.
But presenting ridiculously large trends in subsamples without a health warning is not part of that. Rasmussen charge for access to their crosstabs, so you can't check whether there's a simple observation bias at work in presenting random data as a trend.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
I give a fair hearing to reasonable arguments on inner city crime, on the economy, on Biden's sense of entitlement, etc, and the associated polling data.
But presenting ridiculously large trends in subsamples without a health warning is not part of that. Rasmussen charge for access to their crosstabs, so you can't check whether there's a simple observation bias at work in presenting random data as a trend.
It's not just this poll.
I haven't see any other evidence of a shift in the last week.
There is a slight movement evident compared to 2016.
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
I don't think Trump will win but there's clearly a level of complexity to how people see him and the Republicans over there that people over here simply don't get.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
Indeed, it reminds me of 2004, we Brits just did not get how on earth Americans could vote for Dubya over Kerry but forgetting that Dubya was looking to win over American voters to win a US election not win approval from voters in the UK.
In US terms the UK would be a solid blue safe Democratic state in the North East, not a swing state in the MidWest
Actually, I'm not sure it would. Particularly in England.
We'd see American politics then through a domestic prism, not an international one, which would broaden and change our views on both the candidates.
We would vote for Biden somewhere along the lines of the margin New Jersey or New York will vote for Biden in November, Trump might win a few rural or ex industrial parts of England but otherwise we would just slot into blue America.
Though of course if post Brexit the UK became the 51st US state that would tip Presidential elections to the Democrats anyway, the UK would be the biggest state population wise in the US with even more EC votes than California and that would mean both Gore and Kerry would have won in 2000 and 2004 and Hillary would have won in 2016 and Biden would almost certainly win next month too
There's enough evidence that black voters are inclining more to Trump than in 2016 for this to be statistically significant.
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Indeed, it would be ironic if Biden ends up with the highest share of the white vote for a Democratic candidate since Obama in 2008 but Trump narrowly wins re election because he gets the highest share of the black vote for a Republican candidate since Reagan in 1980 got 14% of African American support
I don't think Trump will win but there's clearly a level of complexity to how people see him and the Republicans over there that people over here simply don't get.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
Indeed, it reminds me of 2004, we Brits just did not get how on earth Americans could vote for Dubya over Kerry but forgetting that Dubya was looking to win over American voters to win a US election not win approval from voters in the UK.
In US terms the UK would be a solid blue safe Democratic state in the North East, not a swing state in the MidWest
Actually, I'm not sure it would. Particularly in England.
We'd see American politics then through a domestic prism, not an international one, which would broaden and change our views on both the candidates.
We would vote for Biden somewhere along the lines of the margin New Jersey or New York will vote for Biden in November, Trump might win a few rural parts of England but otherwise we would just slot into blue America.
Though of course if post Brexit the UK became the 51st state that would tip Presidential elections to the Democrats anyway, the UK would be the biggest state population wise in the US with even more EC votes than California and that would mean both Gore and Kerry would have won in 2000 and 2004 and Biden would almost certainly win next month too
Not only that, if the four nations of the UK each became a state the Senate would likely be permanently out of reach of the Republicans too.
Reminds me of the time the doctor told a mate of mine with constipation to put suppositories into his back passage... went back a week later, still constipated, and said for all the good they did he might as well have stuck em up his arse!
A big part of the difference is that much of the race has already been run, most of the population have a very good idea of whether and how they will vote and, indeed, the postal element means many have already. Election day is like coming in on a game in the embers of the fourth quarter and having only the noise of the crowd to judge the score, and even that would be after a mass brawl has stirred them up and confused things more, election night is simply the reveal of the scoreboard.
Of course sport does not start and end on the pitch, training, preparation and tactics are vital, but the game is actually played out, in full, in front of you.
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https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1319605958037950470?s=20
One thing's for sure, the Guiliani fable about Hunter Biden's alleged hard drive has failed to fly.
Smells fake to me.
24% to 46% in 3 days in the absence of a war or 9/11 type event?
Malarkey.
Hold on so I can still buy a Nerf gun, but not a microwave.....
I was a great supporter of the Republicans under Ronald Reagan, but today it's the Democratic challenger who best embodies his great legacy
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/23/britain-would-better-joe-biden/
Malarkey.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00IEAFZRG
Seeing the daily figures for the past month (or six) would let you know for sure.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1319632889148035072
One seemed a blast from a bygone age.
The other contemporary.
We could, however, see them fighting out a GE in the 2030's.
I mean when Vaughn Gething ( Welsh health minister) was opining in conversation to Kay Burley on Sky earlier that her hair dryer wasn’t essential (but alcohol was), and she was pointing out the length of her hair to his. you felt like screaming for his sake “stop digging”, except of course he couldn’t have even started because presumably he can’t buy a spade at present.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-issues-that-divide-people-within-each-party/
About half of Republicans support a public health insurance option, a mini green new deal, and UBI. Half also quite soft on immigration issues and think that African Americans face widespread discrimination. Are they in the right party?
Looking at their twitter feed doesn't give confidence in Rasmussen's neutrality. For example:
- A re-tweet of a Trump tweet
- "We'd like to thank @libertynation - Conservative News Where The Truth Matters - for sponsoring our Daily Presidential Tracking Poll this week!"
...sez Tory.
https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1319384272709570568?s=20
This doesn't mean all of them are or even a majority - in fact it's a larger minority - but it is worth closer inspection and not dismissal.
Trump's debating performance was so powerful it went back in time several days.
Now it’s all very well to laugh at the microwaves being covered up at Asda’s because control freakery has got out of hand in Cardiff bay ( I mean if you can buy beans in aisle 9 why can’t you buy a kettle in aisle 10 if you’re in the shop anyway? How’s that superspreading?), because if I really wanted a microwave or a kettle Mr Bezos will supply. However, what if I’m an 85 year old granny, who’s not too hot on the internet and I just want to make a cup of tea and Drakeford’s banned me from getting a bloody kettle till a fortnight on Monday?
But I feel the same about other examples too, for instance I like to bet on cricket in play, and when my team drifts from EVS to 7/4 after a wicket, I feel like it has very little chance of winning, and have to remind myself it has the same chance as Tiger Woods in his pomp had of winning the next major! That's more momentum I guess
Another nice example... Trump has as much chance of winning as Bruno Fernandes has of scoring a goal vs Chelsea tomorrow (if he plays)!
Unfortunately, though, it seems the people I have sympathy with here do not share any of the same concern about the far bigger avalanche of equally picky segregation and categorisation rules that could face a mixed lorry load at Holyhead in a couple of months' time should the deal escape from reach.
These are the very people who cheerlead for Welsh supermaketing the entire British economy.
Not the fact that Trump will do better which has already been heavily suggested in polling.
Just as I would not question a runner whose 100 m time went from 11 sec. to 10.8.
If it went to 9.2 in three days I would suspect some weapons grade malarkey somewhere.
We should be a bit more humble and objective in assessing the situation and to do so dispassionately.
+ve: there's some evidence the incidence rate growth is starting to slow, particularly amongst young people and certain worse-hit regions like the North East
-ve: we're up to around 35,000 cases per day in England alone (up to 16 October), so even if the pace of growth slows, it will remain at a high level. In addition, there is evidence that infection rates are growing among the older age groups most at risk, so the increase in hospitalisations and deaths is likely to take a while to fully catch-up.
But presenting ridiculously large trends in subsamples without a health warning is not part of that. Rasmussen charge for access to their crosstabs, so you can't check whether there's a simple observation bias at work in presenting random data as a trend.
No Republican has managed that in the modern era, let alone one who tacitly encourages white supremacists.
Race 1 has 10 runners all at 9/1.
Race 2 has 2 runners, fav at 1/9, nag at 9/1.
So, one of the 9/1 shots is bound to come in in Race 1. Therefore this will not feel like much of a surprise to an independent dispassionate observer who has no bet on. But if the 9/1 nag beats the 1/9 "racing certainty" in Race 2, that WILL feel like a real shock.
So here, with the US election, it's like Race 2, a binary 2 horse race, and of course ... I'm going to enjoy this pay off sentence ... Trump is the Nag.
In US terms the UK would be a solid blue safe Democratic state in the North East, not a swing state in the MidWest
So binary factor and also favourite vs outsider
Actually that West Ham bet looks alright!
Sounds about right to me.
We'd see American politics then through a domestic prism, not an international one, which would broaden and change our views on both the candidates.
There is a slight movement evident compared to 2016.
Overall US voting has reached 36.5%, and that excludes NY and Hawaii who are not yet reporting.
https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html
Though of course if post Brexit the UK became the 51st US state that would tip Presidential elections to the Democrats anyway, the UK would be the biggest state population wise in the US with even more EC votes than California and that would mean both Gore and Kerry would have won in 2000 and 2004 and Hillary would have won in 2016 and Biden would almost certainly win next month too
None of that is ever going to happen, of course.
https://twitter.com/tramisogyny/status/1319366664496971777?s=20
Of course sport does not start and end on the pitch, training, preparation and tactics are vital, but the game is actually played out, in full, in front of you.