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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    So weird seeing the highlights of NZ vs Australia and all the full stands.

    'Let's see what you could have won...'
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,204

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
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    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone get a casino licence and legally avoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    16,982 new cases.

    Always low ball figures on a Sunday, so not good.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone get a casino licence and legally avoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
    No one said that. All that has been said in this thread is that, in comparison, the Biden laptop crap is inconsequential. Remember that there is evidence of Trump's involvment with the mob from his own mouth and state investigations. The Hunter Biden (Hunter, not Joe) is inconsequential. Look at it if you must but spare me the attempt at equivalence.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    Off topic, Waitrose delivery just arrived, so I now have chocolate.

    Getting slots is now no bother.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone a member of the Mafiaget a casino licence and legally possibly illegallyavoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
    Fixed it for you.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
    I have no idea what Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy is.

    Anyway I don't see why my views were so controversial to you when you wanted to monitor muslims 24 hours a day including in mosques to ensure that they never say anything extreme.

    I'd quite like to see Trump win yes, but I don't think he will. Your beloved Democrats will be back in and drone bombing the Middle East just where they left off last time.
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    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone a member of the Mafiaget a casino licence and legally possibly illegallyavoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
    Fixed it for you.
    He helped someone do something that wasn't illegal, but that person was a criminal. So what?
    And he did nothing wrong with income taxes.

    Is that literally all there is on Trump? I assumed there was way more dirt than that.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Have you read the Mueller report?

    Have you missed all the convictions that Mueller got
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    So he helped someone get a casino licence and legally avoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.

    Well you should certainly be wary of stories peddled by Giuliani when the intelligence community in the US has been warning the US government about Russia using people like Giuliani to peddle disinformation to affect the election.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
    I have no idea what Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy is.

    Anyway I don't see why my views were so controversial to you when you wanted to monitor muslims 24 hours a day including in mosques to ensure that they never say anything extreme.

    I'd quite like to see Trump win yes, but I don't think he will. Your beloved Democrats will be back in and drone bombing the Middle East just where they left off last time.
    Drone attacks never stopped under Trump. They increased -

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,204

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
    I have no idea what Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy is.

    Anyway I don't see why my views were so controversial to you when you wanted to monitor muslims 24 hours a day including in mosques to ensure that they never say anything extreme.

    I'd quite like to see Trump win yes, but I don't think he will. Your beloved Democrats will be back in and drone bombing the Middle East just where they left off last time.
    Mmm, and no doubt you would "quite like" the original James Bond Aston Martin DB5 for Christmas.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone a member of the Mafiaget a casino licence and legally possibly illegallyavoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
    Fixed it for you.
    He helped someone do something that wasn't illegal, but that person was a criminal. So what?
    And he did nothing wrong with income taxes.

    Is that literally all there is on Trump? I assumed there was way more dirt than that.
    Do keep up. According to the NJ report, obtaining a casino licence for a someone associated with the Mafia is illegal. The DA declined to prosecute for some reason. And we don't know about the income taxes as he won't release his returns.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Have you read the Mueller report?

    Have you missed all the convictions that Mueller got
    IIRC there are something like 200 charges across 30 odd people out of that Special Counsel investigation plus the many investigations that were spun off. And the DOJ stopped the Special Counsel looking into Trump's finances and anything else they decided would be off limits for an investigation into a sitting President. So even with a narrow scope a lot of crime was found, and there's still the point that the Special Counsel expected Congress to use its powers to punish things like the clear obstruction of justice.
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    glw said:

    So he helped someone get a casino licence and legally avoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.

    Well you should certainly be wary of stories peddled by Giuliani when the intelligence community in the US has been warning the US government about Russia using people like Giuliani to peddle disinformation to affect the election.
    Of course accusations against Biden should be taken with a pinch of salt, as should accusations against Trump.

    But getting hot under the collar about Trump helping someone get a casino licence 30 years ago when not actually in government and as a result of that any potential Biden corruption is irrelevant...really?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone a member of the Mafiaget a casino licence and legally possibly illegallyavoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
    Fixed it for you.
    He helped someone do something that wasn't illegal, but that person was a criminal. So what?
    And he did nothing wrong with income taxes.

    Is that literally all there is on Trump? I assumed there was way more dirt than that.
    For an innocent man, he sure rubs shoulders with, and employs a lot of convicted felons.
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    DougSeal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
    I have no idea what Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy is.

    Anyway I don't see why my views were so controversial to you when you wanted to monitor muslims 24 hours a day including in mosques to ensure that they never say anything extreme.

    I'd quite like to see Trump win yes, but I don't think he will. Your beloved Democrats will be back in and drone bombing the Middle East just where they left off last time.
    Drone attacks never stopped under Trump. They increased -

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
    I can't access the article, but if that is true then I stand corrected. Any article you can read without a paywall?

    I'm not sure how reliable the Chicago Sun Times are.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    A number of Catholics (and indeed members of other faiths and none) from the US were involved, and more than a few from England. The first chief of staff of the PIRA was from Leytonstone.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    glw said:

    So he helped someone get a casino licence and legally avoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.

    Well you should certainly be wary of stories peddled by Giuliani when the intelligence community in the US has been warning the US government about Russia using people like Giuliani to peddle disinformation to affect the election.
    Of course accusations against Biden should be taken with a pinch of salt, as should accusations against Trump.

    But getting hot under the collar about Trump helping someone get a casino licence 30 years ago when not actually in government and as a result of that any potential Biden corruption is irrelevant...really?
    I've not even heard of that case until just now. I get more bothered about Trump getting away with rape*, he's currently fighting in court to avoid giving a DNA sample in a defamation case which would clear him of the accusation. Think about that for a bit.

    * This is the recent E. Jean Carroll accusation, there are many more.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
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    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Alistair said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    That Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars has been proven.

    No corruption has been proven against Biden, just some very weak and stretched out allegations that are a fraction of what Trump has done.
    What has been proven exactly?

    I can believe this is true, I'm just looking for some hard evidence.
    Apart from the Mueller Report, the Senate Russian Interference Report, the prosecution and dissolution of the fraudulent Trump Foundation?
    The Mueller Report that found no evidence of wrong-doing whatsoever?

    What does any of that have to do with the accusation that "Trump and his family and his business have been draining millions upon millions of federal dollars" ?
    Trump's admitted being involved with the mob in getting 1980s consruction projects through in NYC. A New Jersey investigation in 1995 found he helped a banker in the pocket of the Scarfo family get a casino license and constructed a casino using their funds. Mafiosi don't generally pay tax. As a result of that, and the fact he has paid virtually no Federal Income Tax for at least the last decade, means he has been indirectly getting rich by failing, largely, to pay what is due to be paid to the Federal Government.
    So he helped someone a member of the Mafiaget a casino licence and legally possibly illegallyavoided paying federal income tax. And because of this we shouldn't question anything dodgy Biden has been up to.
    Fixed it for you.
    He helped someone do something that wasn't illegal, but that person was a criminal. So what?
    And he did nothing wrong with income taxes.

    Is that literally all there is on Trump? I assumed there was way more dirt than that.
    Do keep up. According to the NJ report, obtaining a casino licence for a someone associated with the Mafia is illegal. The DA declined to prosecute for some reason. And we don't know about the income taxes as he won't release his returns.
    So the people whose job is to decide if there was any wrong doing thought there wasn't...but that isn't important for some reason as you know better.

    And you don't know about his income taxes at all.

    And because of this any Biden corruption doesn't matter at all.

    This is all Trump derangement syndrome, it's literally mental. There's no point arguing anymore I may as well join in...orange man bad.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138
    edited October 2020

    DougSeal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
    I have no idea what Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy is.

    Anyway I don't see why my views were so controversial to you when you wanted to monitor muslims 24 hours a day including in mosques to ensure that they never say anything extreme.

    I'd quite like to see Trump win yes, but I don't think he will. Your beloved Democrats will be back in and drone bombing the Middle East just where they left off last time.
    Drone attacks never stopped under Trump. They increased -

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
    I can't access the article, but if that is true then I stand corrected. Any article you can read without a paywall?

    I'm not sure how reliable the Chicago Sun Times are.
    Here's a screengrab - also see this link to the BBC - https://bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47480207


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    isamisam Posts: 40,927
    Alistair said:
    Quite nice to replace "UK" with "crap" whenever Sturgeon says it
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    edited October 2020
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
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    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    It was almost word for word what you said. And then you used Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy for how hard it is to spot a bad one.

    Fact is, you love all things Trump with a passion and on 3 Nov will be yearning with every fibre of your being for him to win and rock the world (again).

    Pointless denying it.
    I have no idea what Don Jnrs "M&Ms" analogy is.

    Anyway I don't see why my views were so controversial to you when you wanted to monitor muslims 24 hours a day including in mosques to ensure that they never say anything extreme.

    I'd quite like to see Trump win yes, but I don't think he will. Your beloved Democrats will be back in and drone bombing the Middle East just where they left off last time.
    Drone attacks never stopped under Trump. They increased -

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
    I can't access the article, but if that is true then I stand corrected. Any article you can read without a paywall?

    I'm not sure how reliable the Chicago Sun Times are.
    Here's a screengrab - also see this link to the BBC - https://bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47480207


    Well this is a problem, why the hell is he continuing this nonsense? The West shouldn't be involved in the Middle East at all and should leave them to it.

    Will there ever be a president that doesn't want to bomb the Middle East?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,736

    Off topic, Waitrose delivery just arrived, so I now have chocolate.

    Getting slots is now no bother.

    I'm envious. Can't get them at all here - I think the Morningside OAPs got in first (and, to be fair, have priority).
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    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Why yes Rob, yes it is.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.

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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,736

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

    "There will be a short delay in publishing today’s figures. We will update shortly.
    We were notified late last week of a testing capacity issue with the UK Government Lighthouse facility in Glasgow.

    This has meant around 64,000 tests from across the UK, including Scotland, will be rerouted this weekend (Fri-Sun) to other testing sites in the UK and Northern Ireland, including tests from our physical testing sites, for example Regional Tests sites. It is important to note that the majority of these tests are still well within the 24 and 48 hour timeframe for results albeit we do expect to see an increase in the level of positives on Monday and Tuesday when the results are reported.

    The Scottish Government is urgently trying to establish with the UK Government what exactly is causing the delay in testing but this is mainly due to demand from out with Scotland.

    We continue to reroute routine testing of care home staff through NHS Scotland testing facilities to ensure prompt turnaround times."


    The Scottish government's priority is clearly how to leverage Coronavirus to win Independence, rather than to cooperate to control the virus across Britain.

    Bunch of rogues and charlatans.

    Someone gives a clear and prompt explanation of a practical issue and a practical solution and a further practical problem (which is very well known - UKG frailure to communicate with the devolved institutions) and that is your reaction?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,296
    Feeling marginally better about United being slaughtered by this Spurs team now. Goodness knows where they fit Bale in.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Why yes Rob, yes it is.
    Not the UK wide pillar 2 testing system.
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    kicorsekicorse Posts: 431
    On topic, really good article. Not saying I agree with the petition, but that's not the point of the article either.

    There seem to be plenty of messages that the political classes have got from the Brexit saga, but not the most important one: to stop ignoring working class people. Plenty of middle-class people go to gyms, but very few depend on them, and so don't really empathise.
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    DavidL said:

    Feeling marginally better about United being slaughtered by this Spurs team now. Goodness knows where they fit Bale in.

    Dele Alli won't be getting many minutes this season....
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    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.

    They're not forced to use them. They may choose to use them but they could choose to set up their own one if they thought they could do it better.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,186

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    Assuming Trump doesn't win, ask the same question this time next year, and I suspect we will have quite a lengthy list of convictions to discuss.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

    "There will be a short delay in publishing today’s figures. We will update shortly.
    We were notified late last week of a testing capacity issue with the UK Government Lighthouse facility in Glasgow.

    This has meant around 64,000 tests from across the UK, including Scotland, will be rerouted this weekend (Fri-Sun) to other testing sites in the UK and Northern Ireland, including tests from our physical testing sites, for example Regional Tests sites. It is important to note that the majority of these tests are still well within the 24 and 48 hour timeframe for results albeit we do expect to see an increase in the level of positives on Monday and Tuesday when the results are reported.

    The Scottish Government is urgently trying to establish with the UK Government what exactly is causing the delay in testing but this is mainly due to demand from out with Scotland.

    We continue to reroute routine testing of care home staff through NHS Scotland testing facilities to ensure prompt turnaround times."


    The Scottish government's priority is clearly how to leverage Coronavirus to win Independence, rather than to cooperate to control the virus across Britain.

    Bunch of rogues and charlatans.

    Someone gives a clear and prompt explanation of a practical issue and a practical solution and a further practical problem (which is very well known - UKG frailure to communicate with the devolved institutions) and that is your reaction?
    Carnyx, the moron is obviously a knuckle dragging Little Englander , what an excuse for a human being. @LostPassword @Carnyx
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    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    Assuming Trump doesn't win, ask the same question this time next year, and I suspect we will have quite a lengthy list of convictions to discuss.
    I agree actually and I think it will be the same when the next few presidents leave office (provided they are still alive).

    US politics is incredibly partisan now.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.

    The Scottish NHS doesn't have its own labs, like PHE?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,745

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Oh well, outrage is just impossible then.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    DougSeal said:

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    No one has ever been able to legally "prove" anything against a President because the jury set up to adjudge on the truth of any allegations against him (the Senate) is politically partisan. The closest we came to it was Nixon but he resigned first. So, in the legal sense, it's next to impossible to "prove" accusatins against him. People have to make their own minds up but it will never be proof enough for some - even if he were to found leaning over a fresh corpse with freshly discharged revolver in his hand the Senate would probably acquit.
    Andrew Johnson came closer - one vote away from conviction.

    However, that tends to support your point as he was a non-party figure (a Democrat elected as the Veep on a Republican ticket) and therefore the Senate was in effect impartial.

    I personally think he would probably have been toast had Benjamin Wade not been (A) the American answer to Corbyn and (b) trying so hard for a conviction, even though Johnson hadn’t actually done anything terribly wrong.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,296
    edited October 2020
    I haven't been posting too much recently not least because I have taken on an enormous redecoration of our playroom/office which contains a large number of books and family memories going back the near 60 years my wife and I have been together. It is not aided by her being a 'cannie Scot' having an aversion to throwing anything out, commenting it will come in handy someday, then when the someday arrives we have no idea where it is, but it is somewhere

    It is quite an effort at my age to be going up and down ladders, bending and up and down, and getting my eyes, hands and fingers to coordinate to achieve the master plan. I would say that at B&Q today there was an overflowing carpark and rarely been busier. Last minute stocking up before Drakeford comfines us all to our homes for 2 to3 weeks

    I would say that I am utterly convinced Trump is toast and generally I have little interest in US politics, but I can understand why the site has so much interest and the betting opportunities

    As far as covid, Brexit and politics is concerned I find myself at times agreeing or at least seeing, the different points of view and cannot ever remember the country being so divided with hard held positions, confusion and uncertainly

    The huge rise in mental health stresses is ever so understandable and for those in crisis I plead to seek help and never think of giving up, every life is precious

    I would say I do support local lockdowns and not a national circuit breaker, not least because it seems impossible that in two weeks our testing and trace will be resolved and everything reset. It may, if local lockdowns fail a need will arise for another national lockdown but I do support HMG on this and significantly, Nicola Sturgeon does not seem to be in favour of a national lockdown yet.

    I am saddened by the divisions and the North South divide narrative and would hope that a concensus will be achieved but we can only hope
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    I didn't know this...

    Germany also has an effective gatekeeper system. While paid-for private tests are widely available at airports and online, those wanting to be tested under their insurance must go through a doctor, who decides whether a test is necessary.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0a7bc361-6fcc-406d-89a0-96c684912e46

    So none of this pushy parents saying little Johnny has a runny nose and thus must have a test or somebody coming back from holiday falsely claims symptoms so they can get a test and ignore quarantine.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    I didn't know this...

    Germany also has an effective gatekeeper system. While paid-for private tests are widely available at airports and online, those wanting to be tested under their insurance must go through a doctor, who decides whether a test is necessary.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0a7bc361-6fcc-406d-89a0-96c684912e46

    So none of this pushy parents saying little Johnny has a runny nose and thus must have a test or somebody coming back from holiday falsely claims symptoms so they can get a test and ignore quarantine.

    Yes, we need to introduce something similar, no self-certifed appointments. Temperature checks for everyone who doesn't get a referral from track and trace.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,736

    Carnyx said:

    Anyone know why ScotGov is consistently missing its testing targets? (And no, it's not England "Westminster")

    We are using on average 70-75% of UK Government and 50-55% of NHS capacity on a daily basis.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18785241.covid-border-checks-call-new-concerns-raised-scotlands-testing-fails/

    Very simple. Those are not targets but capacity. They need the extra capacity for when things get worse. This came up a week or two back (not on PB?) and that was the reason.
    Aren't things already "worse"? At a near 18% positivity rate shouldn't more tests be being run?

    Is there no need to use available capacity?

    On August 17, the First Minister in a Covid-19 briefing said the current weekday capacity in Scotland was just over 40,000 tests a day. And she said they were working to increase that to 65,000 tests a day.

    But in an October 2 Freedom of Information response, the Scottish Government said the overall normal weekday capacity is approximately 24,000 - 16,000 less - as the nation enters a second wave of the virus.

    According to official figures, the average number of daily tests being carried out in Scotland over the eight days to October 6, was just 15,776.
    Sorry, just in from baling out the shed barrel. I can't access the article so can't see whether those wordings are for SG or UKG + SG - which makes a big difference (e3specially if differently applied at different dates), and have to go off so don't have time to research to check that.

    That 90% limit on capacity which Malmesbiury gives would apply to one place at one time. It would not allow for temporal or regional variation/fluctiation unless you wanty to send chaps in Hawick to Stornoway. Anbd add something for growth. I'd think that testing at 60% of total capacity sounds about right to me.

    Whether the current level of testing is about right is another question, which I don't know anything about, but the demand is obviously being met and there is no merit in testing 'worried well' just on popular demand, unless you are trying to kmeet an artificial tartget.

    Off now - have a good evening.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.

    The Scottish NHS doesn't have its own labs, like PHE?
    It does - they are running at 55% capacity while the UK Lighthouse labs are running at 75%
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,897
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.


    That row with Export Markets within 2500 Km is wrong. What counts as a market if Scotland has over 500 Million? But anyway Sydney is less than 2500 Km from Auckland and there are definitely some NZ things being sold in Sydney.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,186

    The Hunter Biden bollocks just seems utterly inconsequential when the entire Trump clan and business empire have been troughing at the teat of Federal expenditure for the past four years.

    The phrase mote and beam comes to mind.
    Biden corruption is inconsequential because reasons.

    What has been proven against Trump exactly?
    Assuming Trump doesn't win, ask the same question this time next year, and I suspect we will have quite a lengthy list of convictions to discuss.
    I agree actually and I think it will be the same when the next few presidents leave office (provided they are still alive).

    US politics is incredibly partisan now.
    Assuming Biden wins, to avert the situation you forecast, maybe Biden will pardon Trump. A pardon would not be in Biden's gift for state level charges however.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    I wonder how he’ll respond when he discovers the IRA dealt in drugs to fund their operations as well?
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?

    It's missing the comparisons on

    - Currency
    - Central Bank
    - Credit Rating
    - Reserves
    - Bond Yield

    But apart from that......
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,897

    I didn't know this...

    Germany also has an effective gatekeeper system. While paid-for private tests are widely available at airports and online, those wanting to be tested under their insurance must go through a doctor, who decides whether a test is necessary.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0a7bc361-6fcc-406d-89a0-96c684912e46

    So none of this pushy parents saying little Johnny has a runny nose and thus must have a test or somebody coming back from holiday falsely claims symptoms so they can get a test and ignore quarantine.

    This is true for most people, but there are some exceptions. E.g. Lots of teachers need to be tested, because if one pupil tests positive the teachers who have taught him/her need to get tested. Some of the testing centres will let teachers ask for an appointment without going via their GP.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    They sent a warning? They murdered children but that's ok because they sent a warning? You are a horrible evil troll you can not be serious. 😡😡😡

    Stop being an apologist for terrorists. 😡😡😡

    Your faux bullshit concern for comparatively tiny numbers of people killed in Islamist attacks is clearly race baiting nonsense you hypocrite.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    They sent a warning? They murdered children but that's ok because they sent a warning? You are a horrible evil troll you can not be serious. 😡😡😡

    Stop being an apologist for terrorists. 😡😡😡

    Your faux bullshit concern for comparatively tiny numbers of people killed in Islamist attacks is clearly race baiting nonsense you hypocrite.
    Well done for completely ignoring what I wrote.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    I didn't know this...

    Germany also has an effective gatekeeper system. While paid-for private tests are widely available at airports and online, those wanting to be tested under their insurance must go through a doctor, who decides whether a test is necessary.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0a7bc361-6fcc-406d-89a0-96c684912e46

    So none of this pushy parents saying little Johnny has a runny nose and thus must have a test or somebody coming back from holiday falsely claims symptoms so they can get a test and ignore quarantine.

    Yep. My friend in Germany had hacking cough, high fever in April at height of Covid. Her neighbour had had a recent positive test some days before.
    A doctor came next day, diagnosed bronchitis and dispensed antibiotics.
    She was never tested cos the cough wasn't dry enough. She'd never had bronchitis so of course couldn't tell the symptoms.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    MaxPB said:

    I didn't know this...

    Germany also has an effective gatekeeper system. While paid-for private tests are widely available at airports and online, those wanting to be tested under their insurance must go through a doctor, who decides whether a test is necessary.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0a7bc361-6fcc-406d-89a0-96c684912e46

    So none of this pushy parents saying little Johnny has a runny nose and thus must have a test or somebody coming back from holiday falsely claims symptoms so they can get a test and ignore quarantine.

    Yes, we need to introduce something similar, no self-certifed appointments. Temperature checks for everyone who doesn't get a referral from track and trace.
    The pushy parents thing only happens because little Johnny is being sent home from school. So the quid pro quo should be - if a doctor says it's not necessary, then he's allowed to go to school.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    For me the facts of what happened makes it even worse. The IRA called a warning into the Samaritans in Liverpool but didn't name the town targetted. The result was that Merseyside Police were trying to evacuate every branch of Boots in Liverpool when the bombs went off in Warrington. That's not trying to exculpate them, in fact it's worse, its criminality allied with sheer negligence. The tossers then tried to say that "precise and adequate warnings" had been given when they didn't even call the right county. If it's any consolation to anyone, it hit them hard amongst their N American support, and probably accellerated a ceasefire as a result.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629
    MaxPB said:

    I didn't know this...

    Germany also has an effective gatekeeper system. While paid-for private tests are widely available at airports and online, those wanting to be tested under their insurance must go through a doctor, who decides whether a test is necessary.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0a7bc361-6fcc-406d-89a0-96c684912e46

    So none of this pushy parents saying little Johnny has a runny nose and thus must have a test or somebody coming back from holiday falsely claims symptoms so they can get a test and ignore quarantine.

    Yes, we need to introduce something similar, no self-certifed appointments. Temperature checks for everyone who doesn't get a referral from track and trace.
    Its almost as if a centralised system run by app and call centre isn't as good as an established primary care system run by professional health care staff...
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,186

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    Your analysis seems very like two wrongs making a right, sort of an argument.

    Sectarian terrorism is terrorism whether or not warnings were given.

    Both Islamic terrorism and Irish sectarian terrorism are wicked. The clue is in the title"terrorism"! It does not mean Muslim people or Irish Nationalist or Loyalist people are wicked. It's the descriptor, terrorism that makes the difference!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    edited October 2020

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    You don't think targeting Remembrance Day with Boys & Girls Brigade in attendance counts?

    A few hours after the blast, the IRA called a radio station and said it had abandoned a 150-pound (68 kg) bomb in Tullyhommon, 20 miles (32 km) away, after it failed to detonate. That morning, a Remembrance Sunday parade (which included many members of the Boys' and Girls' Brigades) had unwittingly gathered near the Tullyhommon bomb. Soldiers and RUC officers had also been there, and the IRA said it attempted to trigger the bomb when soldiers were standing beside it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    This do you, or is 15 years old with a mental age of 8 not your definition of a child?

    https://irishpeaceprocess.blog/2018/08/29/the-iras-youngest-torture-victim/

    The IRA, UDA and the Manchester Arena bombers were all perfectly comfortable with the idea of kids dying in the furtherance of their respective causes, can't think why you're fixating on a Muslim.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,251
    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

    "There will be a short delay in publishing today’s figures. We will update shortly.
    We were notified late last week of a testing capacity issue with the UK Government Lighthouse facility in Glasgow.

    This has meant around 64,000 tests from across the UK, including Scotland, will be rerouted this weekend (Fri-Sun) to other testing sites in the UK and Northern Ireland, including tests from our physical testing sites, for example Regional Tests sites. It is important to note that the majority of these tests are still well within the 24 and 48 hour timeframe for results albeit we do expect to see an increase in the level of positives on Monday and Tuesday when the results are reported.

    The Scottish Government is urgently trying to establish with the UK Government what exactly is causing the delay in testing but this is mainly due to demand from out with Scotland.

    We continue to reroute routine testing of care home staff through NHS Scotland testing facilities to ensure prompt turnaround times."


    The Scottish government's priority is clearly how to leverage Coronavirus to win Independence, rather than to cooperate to control the virus across Britain.

    Bunch of rogues and charlatans.

    Someone gives a clear and prompt explanation of a practical issue and a practical solution and a further practical problem (which is very well known - UKG frailure to communicate with the devolved institutions) and that is your reaction?
    It's the Andy Murray treatment in reverse. Whenever anything is a problem, or goes wrong, is linked to the UK identity, whenever anything goes right the Scottishness is emphasised.

    I bet if/when the lab is working well they will only mention that it's in Scotland.

    It's a dishonest use of language for political ends. A focus on division is not helpful now.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,897
    edited October 2020

    ...


    US politics is incredibly partisan now.

    ...
    As far as covid, Brexit and politics is concerned I find myself at times agreeing or at least seeing, the different points of view and cannot ever remember the country being so divided with hard held positions, confusion and uncertainly

    ...

    I am saddened by the divisions and the North South divide narrative and would hope that a concensus will be achieved but we can only hope

    Sadly I agree with all three sentences and they are all facets of the same underlying trend in modern politics in much of the world.

    If you stop and think about it, it is quite scary.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    If you plant bombs where children might be then you are purposely targeting children.

    It really is as simply as that.
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    CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited October 2020
    Johnson is doing a great job of persuading people that abandoned Labour for the first time, that this was a poor decision.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    Your analysis seems very like two wrongs making a right, sort of an argument.

    Sectarian terrorism is terrorism whether or not warnings were given.

    Both Islamic terrorism and Irish sectarian terrorism are wicked. The clue is in the title"terrorism"! It does not mean Muslim people or Irish Nationalist or Loyalist people are wicked. It's the descriptor, terrorism that makes the difference!
    Well I totally agree, I hated the IRA and as I said I would have halted immigration from Ireland at the time. I have no idea how that marks me out as a hypocrite.

    I just don't think they targeted children on purpose, but that is the most outrageous thing ever apparently.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,629

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    This do you, or is 15 years old with a mental age of 8 not your definition of a child?

    https://irishpeaceprocess.blog/2018/08/29/the-iras-youngest-torture-victim/

    The IRA, UDA and the Manchester Arena bombers were all perfectly comfortable with the idea of kids dying in the furtherance of their respective causes, can't think why you're fixating on a Muslim.
    I think that there is a difference. The Islamic terrorists deliberately targeted children, but the IRA saw their deaths as collateral damage in pursuit of a military target.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    Your analysis seems very like two wrongs making a right, sort of an argument.

    Sectarian terrorism is terrorism whether or not warnings were given.

    Both Islamic terrorism and Irish sectarian terrorism are wicked. The clue is in the title"terrorism"! It does not mean Muslim people or Irish Nationalist or Loyalist people are wicked. It's the descriptor, terrorism that makes the difference!
    Well I totally agree, I hated the IRA and as I said I would have halted immigration from Ireland at the time. I have no idea how that marks me out as a hypocrite.

    I just don't think they targeted children on purpose, but that is the most outrageous thing ever apparently.
    Whether children lived or died was of no consequence to them, if it were they would have been more careful with their warnings. They simply didn't care.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,672
    Doubt Nipoleon will be retweeting this......

    https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/1317845574817861640?s=20
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    Look forward to the day my grandkids ask
    "However did you survive the great stretchy leggings shortage?"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/18/uk-could-face-shortage-of-trainers-and-leisurewear-as-covid-fuels-surge-in-demand
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,601
    I think this perhaps beats even @Dura_Ace ’s splendid school report from a few days back.
    “I believe has has ideas about becoming a scientist; on his present showing this is quite ridiculous...”

    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1317819989458550785
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    This do you, or is 15 years old with a mental age of 8 not your definition of a child?

    https://irishpeaceprocess.blog/2018/08/29/the-iras-youngest-torture-victim/

    The IRA, UDA and the Manchester Arena bombers were all perfectly comfortable with the idea of kids dying in the furtherance of their respective causes, can't think why you're fixating on a Muslim.
    Fair enough a 15 year old is a child and if they did that then they did indeed target children. I stand corrected.

    With hindsight the amount of restraint shown by the UK in the face of these people is quite something. Remember the fuss about the SAS shooting a few of these scumbags in Gibraltar.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,442
    alex_ said:

    If you plant bombs where children might be then you are purposely targeting children.

    It really is as simply as that.

    Is the US military targeting children in its extra judicial strikes?
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    eristdoof said:

    ...


    US politics is incredibly partisan now.

    ...
    As far as covid, Brexit and politics is concerned I find myself at times agreeing or at least seeing, the different points of view and cannot ever remember the country being so divided with hard held positions, confusion and uncertainly

    ...

    I am saddened by the divisions and the North South divide narrative and would hope that a concensus will be achieved but we can only hope

    Sadly I agree with all three sentences and they are all facets of the same underlying trend in modern politics in much of the world.

    If you stop and think about it, it is quite scary.
    It's the internet and social media.

    It's not healthy and polarises opinion massively. There was not this sort of divide 20 years ago, people generally accepted the results of elections even if their preferred choice lost.
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    I had wondered just how long the conservative mps in Greater Manchester would allow Burnham to promote a national lockdown when I doubt any conservative mp would agree with the policy
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,186

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    Your analysis seems very like two wrongs making a right, sort of an argument.

    Sectarian terrorism is terrorism whether or not warnings were given.

    Both Islamic terrorism and Irish sectarian terrorism are wicked. The clue is in the title"terrorism"! It does not mean Muslim people or Irish Nationalist or Loyalist people are wicked. It's the descriptor, terrorism that makes the difference!
    Well I totally agree, I hated the IRA and as I said I would have halted immigration from Ireland at the time. I have no idea how that marks me out as a hypocrite.

    I just don't think they targeted children on purpose, but that is the most outrageous thing ever apparently.
    To be blunt, both sets of terrorists didn't give a **** about killing children. The very act of laying an AID to kill random people, means there must be a fair old chance that some of those random people killed might be children. Anyway this is a smokescreen for your original assertion that an entire religious group can be condemned for the actions of the few. You are wrong!
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    ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 895
    edited October 2020

    eristdoof said:

    ...


    US politics is incredibly partisan now.

    ...
    As far as covid, Brexit and politics is concerned I find myself at times agreeing or at least seeing, the different points of view and cannot ever remember the country being so divided with hard held positions, confusion and uncertainly

    ...

    I am saddened by the divisions and the North South divide narrative and would hope that a concensus will be achieved but we can only hope

    Sadly I agree with all three sentences and they are all facets of the same underlying trend in modern politics in much of the world.

    If you stop and think about it, it is quite scary.
    It's the internet and social media.

    It's not healthy and polarises opinion massively. There was not this sort of divide 20 years ago, people generally accepted the results of elections even if their preferred choice lost.
    Is it really common across all Western democracies or just those with large numbers of the population feeling left behind by politics?

    I wonder if one of the reasons a place like Switzerland (and Germany to a lesser degree) suffer less from this is due to huge devolution and a system that forces collaboration and working together as the voting systems force parties to work together and not divisibly ?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    eristdoof said:

    ...


    US politics is incredibly partisan now.

    ...
    As far as covid, Brexit and politics is concerned I find myself at times agreeing or at least seeing, the different points of view and cannot ever remember the country being so divided with hard held positions, confusion and uncertainly

    ...

    I am saddened by the divisions and the North South divide narrative and would hope that a concensus will be achieved but we can only hope

    Sadly I agree with all three sentences and they are all facets of the same underlying trend in modern politics in much of the world.

    If you stop and think about it, it is quite scary.
    It's the internet and social media.

    It's not healthy and polarises opinion massively. There was not this sort of divide 20 years ago, people generally accepted the results of elections even if their preferred choice lost.
    Is it really common across all Western democracies or just those with large numbers of the population feeling left behind by politics?

    I wonder if one of the reasons a place like Switzerland (and Germany to a lesser degree) suffer less from this is due to huge devolution and a system that forces collaboration and working together as the voting systems force parties to work together and not divisibly ?
    And ones with genuine powers in the hands of local politicians.
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    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    Your analysis seems very like two wrongs making a right, sort of an argument.

    Sectarian terrorism is terrorism whether or not warnings were given.

    Both Islamic terrorism and Irish sectarian terrorism are wicked. The clue is in the title"terrorism"! It does not mean Muslim people or Irish Nationalist or Loyalist people are wicked. It's the descriptor, terrorism that makes the difference!
    Well I totally agree, I hated the IRA and as I said I would have halted immigration from Ireland at the time. I have no idea how that marks me out as a hypocrite.

    I just don't think they targeted children on purpose, but that is the most outrageous thing ever apparently.
    To be blunt, both sets of terrorists didn't give a **** about killing children. The very act of laying an AID to kill random people, means there must be a fair old chance that some of those random people killed might be children. Anyway this is a smokescreen for your original assertion that an entire religious group can be condemned for the actions of the few. You are wrong!
    Actually I want the opposite. I want to ensure the problems are sorted out, so an entire religious group that is already living here doesn't get blamed.

    It's those that want to see them demonised as a group that want the situation to continue as it is.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.

    The Scottish NHS doesn't have its own labs, like PHE?
    I am no expert but from what I have read they are forced by UK to use the Lighthouse Labs for lots of the tests, no options. The NHS labs are used for staff and care homes etc.
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    https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1317842880300486657

    Strong video from Labour. Social media has definitely improved.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes it's good to keep it simple - :smile:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1317758865543483394

    The kinder and gentler left in action.

    Scumbags.
    He's your hero, isn't he? That's why you're upset and offended.
    I don't particularly like him, I just find the hysteria and ludicrous insults of anyone the left disapproves of tiresome.

    How exactly is he fascist? It's just endless pointless insults doled out by half-wits.
    Oh come on. You LOVE the guy.

    Why, just yesterday you, Donald J Alexander, were calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering our country until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
    Well that's not quite what I said, but yes I am worried about teachers being beheaded in the streets in broad daylight. Crazy I know.
    We are all worried about that.

    Calling for a complete and total shutdown of an entire religious group of billions of people from being able to enter the country is what is considered odd as a solution.

    We didn't respond to the Troubles (which killed an order of magnitude more people in this country) by a complete and total shutdown of Catholics from entering the country.
    I didn't call for a shutdown of them entering the country, I called for a temporary halt on immigration from there.

    If this "odd" solution had been in place in time then we wouldn't be talking about this dead teacher and many other terrorist attacks.

    The Troubles never involved beheading people in the streets or purposely blowing up children at pop concerts. It was Irish nationalists not "Catholics" that carried out these attacks anyway. There were no British or Catholics from any other country involved.
    The Troubles didn't involve blowing up children? What kind of fucking ignoramus are you? 😡

    When I was ten years old my town was bombed the weekend before Mother's Day. A three year old and a twelve year old boy on our high street were brutally murdered in a bomb blast.

    So kindly go pick up a book and educate yourself before making bloody stupid remarks.

    Oh and the IRA got support and weaponry from around the world.
    I see you ignored the words "purposely blowing up children".

    The IRA were scumbags and I'd have happily halted immigration from Ireland at the time had it been up to me, but they didn't purposely target children, so don't give me that shite.
    Blowing up Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball was not on purpose?

    Setting off bombs outside shops on Bridge Street the weekend before Mother's Day couldn't possibly been foreseen to have led to children dying now could it?

    And they are just two names of the 186 children who were brutally killed during the Troubles. And you dare accuse others of talking shite?

    Go fuck yourself with some explosives. And I'm sorry to anyone else offended and if that results in me being banned but I do not find children being murdered in my town and 184 other children murdered during the Troubles to be "shite".
    They sent a warning, they were just incompetent morons. The fact that it is the weekend before Mother's Day is irrelevant, I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

    If you have any actual evidence of the IRA purposely targeting children then post it, otherwise spare me the tedious mock outrage.
    Your analysis seems very like two wrongs making a right, sort of an argument.

    Sectarian terrorism is terrorism whether or not warnings were given.

    Both Islamic terrorism and Irish sectarian terrorism are wicked. The clue is in the title"terrorism"! It does not mean Muslim people or Irish Nationalist or Loyalist people are wicked. It's the descriptor, terrorism that makes the difference!
    Well I totally agree, I hated the IRA and as I said I would have halted immigration from Ireland at the time. I have no idea how that marks me out as a hypocrite.

    I just don't think they targeted children on purpose, but that is the most outrageous thing ever apparently.
    You would have put a border in the Irish Sea?

    You are Boris Johnson and I claim my £5.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232
    You’re out of luck, she’s got a boyfriend already.
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    He’s 10x the PM Johnson will ever be
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited October 2020

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

    "There will be a short delay in publishing today’s figures. We will update shortly.
    We were notified late last week of a testing capacity issue with the UK Government Lighthouse facility in Glasgow.

    This has meant around 64,000 tests from across the UK, including Scotland, will be rerouted this weekend (Fri-Sun) to other testing sites in the UK and Northern Ireland, including tests from our physical testing sites, for example Regional Tests sites. It is important to note that the majority of these tests are still well within the 24 and 48 hour timeframe for results albeit we do expect to see an increase in the level of positives on Monday and Tuesday when the results are reported.

    The Scottish Government is urgently trying to establish with the UK Government what exactly is causing the delay in testing but this is mainly due to demand from out with Scotland.

    We continue to reroute routine testing of care home staff through NHS Scotland testing facilities to ensure prompt turnaround times."


    The Scottish government's priority is clearly how to leverage Coronavirus to win Independence, rather than to cooperate to control the virus across Britain.

    Bunch of rogues and charlatans.

    Someone gives a clear and prompt explanation of a practical issue and a practical solution and a further practical problem (which is very well known - UKG frailure to communicate with the devolved institutions) and that is your reaction?
    It's the Andy Murray treatment in reverse. Whenever anything is a problem, or goes wrong, is linked to the UK identity, whenever anything goes right the Scottishness is emphasised.

    I bet if/when the lab is working well they will only mention that it's in Scotland.

    It's a dishonest use of language for political ends. A focus on division is not helpful now.
    An interesting question that we could try and answer is this; if Nicola Sturgeon had wanted to follow the strategy of Jacinda Adern in Scotland, could she have done so with the powers she has ?

    Does Nicola Sturgeon have the power to quarantine all arrivals by flight/ship/road to Scotland for 2 weeks, and to introduce full lockdown measures for all non-essential businesses?

    I would have thought she did, but I am happy to be corrected.

    Once individuals enter Scotland, can she quarantine them? This actually seems less stringent than what Drakeford is trying to, which is physically prevent some arrivals from England entering Wales. So, if Drakeford has the power to do this, I would have thought Sturgeon had the power to quarantine entrants.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,973

    Doubt Nipoleon will be retweeting this......

    https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/1317845574817861640?s=20

    Why not , there is no fierce nationalism in Scotland , unlike England. You really are a blinkered Toom Tabard. How does someone hate their country of birth so much.
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    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1317866829923143681

    Guess walking away was another lie then
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    eristdoof said:

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    US politics is incredibly partisan now.

    ...
    As far as covid, Brexit and politics is concerned I find myself at times agreeing or at least seeing, the different points of view and cannot ever remember the country being so divided with hard held positions, confusion and uncertainly

    ...

    I am saddened by the divisions and the North South divide narrative and would hope that a concensus will be achieved but we can only hope

    Sadly I agree with all three sentences and they are all facets of the same underlying trend in modern politics in much of the world.

    If you stop and think about it, it is quite scary.
    It's the internet and social media.

    It's not healthy and polarises opinion massively. There was not this sort of divide 20 years ago, people generally accepted the results of elections even if their preferred choice lost.
    Is it really common across all Western democracies or just those with large numbers of the population feeling left behind by politics?

    I wonder if one of the reasons a place like Switzerland (and Germany to a lesser degree) suffer less from this is due to huge devolution and a system that forces collaboration and working together as the voting systems force parties to work together and not divisibly ?
    I'm not sure, I think it's more that Germany and Switzerland just handle things a bit better in general.

    The US has a high degree of devolution at a state level, but things are worse there than anywhere else in the Western world.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:
    Another UK shambles, being forced to use their crappy lab system is disgraceful.
    Isn't health devolved?
    Again Rob you show your blind ignorance. They are forced to use the crappy Lighthouse Labs which cost a fortune and have little staff and mean the test results take over a week. Next to F all is devolved and what little there is has been taken away with their recent UK bill to take all control on everything to westminster. Only thing devolved is some pocket money and greater part of that is proscribed on where it must be spent.

    The Scottish NHS doesn't have its own labs, like PHE?
    I am no expert but from what I have read they are forced by UK to use the Lighthouse Labs for lots of the tests, no options. The NHS labs are used for staff and care homes etc.
    The Scottish government website suggests otherwise, that the Lighthouse labs are to supplement NHS Scotland capacity.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-scotlands-testing-strategy-adapting-pandemic/pages/4/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1317866829923143681

    Guess walking away was another lie then

    How would they be able to come back with another offer otherwise?
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