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If Trumps wins next month, it’s the economy, stupid – politicalbetting.com

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edited October 11 in General
If Trumps wins next month, it’s the economy, stupid – politicalbetting.com

FLORIDAIf the election for president were being held today …Trump 40%Biden 51%(Quinnipiac U. Poll, LV, 10/1-5/20)

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,153
    FPT:
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Man Utd and Liverpool put forward a joint proposal to reduce the Premier League to 18 teams and the clubs to have much more say on matters including the league cup and in return will support the lower leagues with 250 million

    Seems it has support and looks like the start of something good for all football

    Well done to the two of them

    Sorry, but you're wrong. What these scumbag owners are proposing is disgraceful. I'm unlikely to be able to go any time soon, but if Arsenal are supporting this, I will no longer be supporting them.
    What do you object to so fervently?

    Supporting lower league clubs more and giving 25% of PL income to the rest of the football pyramid on an ongoing basis seems like a healthy move.
    I oppose the Big 6 banning anyone else from challenging them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 56,679
    edited October 11

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998
    It is also planned that, as well as the 'big six', ever-present league member Everton, West Ham United and Southampton - ninth and 11th respectively in the list of clubs who have featured in the most Premier League seasons - would be granted special status.

    If six of those nine clubs vote in favour of a proposal, it would be enough to get it passed.

    There is no mention of Aston Villa and Newcastle United, both of whom have featured in more Premier League campaigns than Manchester City.


    I don't understand why these plans require a reduction in the size of the league. And the voting changes seem entirely self serving and hard to justify.
    Abolishing the League Cup would be a shame but given increasing fixture strain it makes sense. To be honest major clubs tend to play reserves until the Semi Final or so anyway.

    I don't understand the 'special status' though. I hope that means certain clubs can't be relegated, like in other sports. One thing that is great about football is that it is entirely based on the perfomance on the pitch - a club can theoretically be league champions one season and relegated the next.
    There's some decent ideas in there, I am sure, and I really have no issue with abolishing the league cup and even the reduced size is just a 'meh' reaction. It's the special status I can see nothing to justify, so agree with tlg86 on this. It makes me laugh to think they are trying to set up an official football nobility.

    On Trump and the economy I am somewhat surprised he has such a big lead over Biden on the issue. Down to worry over Biden personally, or fears of what the more radical Democrats want, or just belief (justified or not) that Trump really is decent on that front?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,153
    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,502
    Is the word 'economy' supposed to be in the headline?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 56,679
    LadyG said:

    I think we need Bad dad Boris on Monday....but we won't.

    Some of the young people in this country are absolute idiots.

    This is why we need actual rules and why the Swedish model would not work.
    They're not idiots. They're young. They've given up six months of precious young life already, and now they just think Fuck it, I'm not going to die of it, I refuse to have a living death because of it

    The idea you can stop young humans drinking, dancing, kissing, embracing, socialising, falling in love, for month after month, is nuts.
    Lockdown always had a shelf life. And once discipline is frayed its usefulness takes a severe hit.
    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    I don't see why we need two cup competitions. If it is kept, they might as well exclude PL teams from it as they often play baby teams anyway.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,763

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 42,466
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Man Utd and Liverpool put forward a joint proposal to reduce the Premier League to 18 teams and the clubs to have much more say on matters including the league cup and in return will support the lower leagues with 250 million

    Seems it has support and looks like the start of something good for all football

    Well done to the two of them

    Sorry, but you're wrong. What these scumbag owners are proposing is disgraceful. I'm unlikely to be able to go any time soon, but if Arsenal are supporting this, I will no longer be supporting them.
    What do you object to so fervently?

    Supporting lower league clubs more and giving 25% of PL income to the rest of the football pyramid on an ongoing basis seems like a healthy move.
    I oppose the Big 6 banning anyone else from challenging them.
    I don't see how this proposed system does that. Giving more money to the rest of the Pyramid is good for the game long term.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 42,466
    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    FIFA and UEFA are part of professional football and more important quite frankly than the League Cup.

    Charity Shield being abolished seems a bit unnecessary though. Sure its a meaningless trophy but its an interesting start to the season.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,671
    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    Just take the CL and EL teams out of the League Cup. Fixture congestion cured.
  • kle4 said:

    LadyG said:

    I think we need Bad dad Boris on Monday....but we won't.

    Some of the young people in this country are absolute idiots.

    This is why we need actual rules and why the Swedish model would not work.
    They're not idiots. They're young. They've given up six months of precious young life already, and now they just think Fuck it, I'm not going to die of it, I refuse to have a living death because of it

    Thedea you can stop young humans drinking, dancing, kissing, embracing, socialising, falling in love, for month after month, is nuts.
    Lockdown always had a shelf life. And once discipline is frayed its usefulness takes a severe hit.
    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    I don't see why we need two cup competitions. If it is kept, they might as well exclude PL teams from it as they often play baby teams anyway.
    The League Cup was originally an Alan Hardaker vanity project. It never approached the popularity of the FA Cup or escaped its early reputation as an awkward addition to an already overcrowded fixture list.
  • kle4 said:

    LadyG said:

    I think we need Bad dad Boris on Monday....but we won't.

    Some of the young people in this country are absolute idiots.

    This is why we need actual rules and why the Swedish model would not work.
    They're not idiots. They're young. They've given up six months of precious young life already, and now they just think Fuck it, I'm not going to die of it, I refuse to have a living death because of it

    Thedea you can stop young humans drinking, dancing, kissing, embracing, socialising, falling in love, for month after month, is nuts.
    Lockdown always had a shelf life. And once discipline is frayed its usefulness takes a severe hit.
    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    I don't see why we need two cup competitions. If it is kept, they might as well exclude PL teams from it as they often play baby teams anyway.
    The League Cup was originally an Alan Hardaker vanity project. It never approached the popularity of the FA Cup or escaped its early reputation as an awkward addition to an already overcrowded fixture list.
    The League Cup was set up as a rival to the European Cup, no really.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
  • Scott_xP said:
    Well, it's basically 10 on average but ABC is an A-Grade pollster, so it's rock-solid support for Sleepy. The proviso which ABC rightly make themselves is that Hillary was ahead by a similar margin at the same stage four years ago. Personally I can't see a repetition. Covid is worsening again, and Joe isn't as sleepy as Donald would have you believe.

    Ok, off to birthday celebrations with the memsahib. Social distancing will certainly NOT be observed.

    Toodle pip.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753
    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964
    If Trump wins next month, it's the Supreme Court of the United States, stupid.
  • isamisam Posts: 33,847
    edited October 11
    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245
    edited October 11
    isam said:
    He, and they, are right.

    We need more data differentiation as to student and non-student infection.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964
    edited October 11
    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Biden hasn't set an unrealistic "do by" date. It seems like a reasonable ambition to me.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245
    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 56,679
    Nice typo on the BBC front page at present - Some programme on 'The dark story of Pele, Argentina and the dicators'.

    Sounds like a Doctor Who villain, all fear the dicators.

    Sadly it sohws correctly on the iplayer.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753
    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 56,679
    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Belgium changed PM recently, if they count as a major country (they've certainly had a major outbreak), albeit as the result of negotiations.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,763

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
  • felixfelix Posts: 10,982
    kle4 said:

    LadyG said:

    I think we need Bad dad Boris on Monday....but we won't.

    Some of the young people in this country are absolute idiots.

    This is why we need actual rules and why the Swedish model would not work.
    They're not idiots. They're young. They've given up six months of precious young life already, and now they just think Fuck it, I'm not going to die of it, I refuse to have a living death because of it

    The idea you can stop young humans drinking, dancing, kissing, embracing, socialising, falling in love, for month after month, is nuts.

    The idea that what happens at Piccadilly Circus after the pubs shut is somehow typical of the RUK tells you all you need to know about media understanding of the generality of the British public. Or anything else for that matter.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964
    edited October 11
    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
    Of course you can end a pandemic. It might take years or even decades to achieve. When was the last time anyone contracted Spanish flu?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 5,608
    kle4 said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Belgium changed PM recently, if they count as a major country (they've certainly had a major outbreak), albeit as the result of negotiations.
    Japan too.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    Perhaps you should be more accurate with your claims of Trumpers.

    Still I see you can't disagree with the point I made.

    Don't you think its a bit disappointing that Joe Biden is the best that the Democrats can come up with ?

    Even at his peak Biden was viewed far behind the likes of Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Gephardt.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,763
    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
    Borodin arguably even weirder - composer and chemist, and apparently equally important at both.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,324
    Interesting development on the 538 website:

    Pennsylvania is no longer the "tipping point" state. It's now Wisconsin.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,641
    New thread curse FPT.
    Curate's egg for me.
    Reduction to 18 good, EFL Cup, Charity Shield gone good. Too much football.
    Funding for EFL good.
    Disappointed they didn't go for fewer teams in lower divisions. 20 is plenty. Midweek league two games are a money loser.
    There are far too many professional clubs. This does not mean they should go bust, but a lot of them should go part time to be financially viable.
    I would merge League 2 and National League and make them a semi pro North and South. Ludicrous that Hartlepool play Dover in league football.
    However, overall, this is a big club, more money for us proposal, with the aim of protecting the oligarchy.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 2,551
    IshmaelZ said:

    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
    Borodin arguably even weirder - composer and chemist, and apparently equally important at both.
    Alex Higgins - a world champion at snooker and a World champion Piss Artist!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 56,679
    isam said:
    Ah, the classic 'I don't usually do X, so shouldn't be punished for X' approach.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 22,324
    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
    Newt painting AND....?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,641
    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Dunno. Seems unlikely there will be one in NZ next week.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    Perhaps you should be more accurate with your claims of Trumpers.

    Still I see you can't disagree with the point I made.

    Don't you think its a bit disappointing that Joe Biden is the best that the Democrats can come up with ?

    Even at his peak Biden was viewed far behind the likes of Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Gephardt.
    Since Trump's Covid episode I have looked at Biden in some detail. I have watched his speeches and some interviews.

    I was taken in by the Sleepy Joe notion created by Trump. The presentation of Biden's speeches (presumably written by speech writers- with a nod to Neil Kinnock!) are OK. He is no Obama or Bill Clinton, but he can hold his own.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,641

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    On the same theme as Viv Richards, Christian Vieri played World Cup games for Italy at football and cricket.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753

    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
    Of course you can end a pandemic. It might take years or even decades to achieve. When was the last time anyone contracted Spanish flu?
    Pandemics generally end themselves. They burn out, like wildfires. They are not "ended" by humans.

    "To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated"



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753
    IshmaelZ said:

    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
    Borodin arguably even weirder - composer and chemist, and apparently equally important at both.
    Never knew Borodin was a chemist! That is properly strange.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964
    LadyG said:

    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
    Of course you can end a pandemic. It might take years or even decades to achieve. When was the last time anyone contracted Spanish flu?
    Pandemics generally end themselves. They burn out, like wildfires. They are not "ended" by humans.

    "To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated"



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
    OK, but one can accelerate the process through vaccination etc.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 2,551
    edited October 11

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    The rise of multi sport events has interested me for a while. - Triathlon involves three fairly different sports (the only common factor being stamina ) and the best at that will be near world class performance in the individual sports .
    Some quirky new sports include speedgolf - which involves adding the time it takes to get around a golf course with your golf score and the lowest combined wins - I actually entered an event of this !

    and of course the strange chessboxing - do one round of chess , then one round of boxing , alternate until either a knock out or checkmate.

    Modern Pentathlon ,Biathlon,Decathlon and Heptathlon have also always interested me as did superstars as a kid. I like the all rounder !
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 22,324
    edited October 11

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    You gotta feel for the NotafanofTrumpbutters. Having watched 'Trump as POTUS will enrage the libtards' & 'Trump will end up as an unremarkable, centrist prez' crash and burn, they're now stuck with 'Biden is terrible and it's ALL the Dems fault' while notably seeming entirely resistant to the idea of the right bearing any responsibility for Trump.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 2,551
    edited October 11

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
    Isnt the answer to a quiz question Ian Botham in that if you ask who is the only England Captain to play for Scunthorpe?

    Also Daley Thompson (not content with being good at 10 events) also played football for Mansfield for a couple of appearances i think
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,153
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    I don't see why we need two cup competitions. If it is kept, they might as well exclude PL teams from it as they often play baby teams anyway.
    BiB - but that's why we don't need to abolish it. Everyone knows the score. In normal times the fourth round is usually played during October Half Term, so it's ideal for kids to go to.

    And, yes, I know why the League Cup came about, but it fills a decent role I think these days.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 42,466
    LadyG said:

    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
    Of course you can end a pandemic. It might take years or even decades to achieve. When was the last time anyone contracted Spanish flu?
    Pandemics generally end themselves. They burn out, like wildfires. They are not "ended" by humans.

    "To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated"



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
    That's not really accurate, since you're talking about the global stage.

    If you mean essentially eradicated from a country that is different.

    I think most people in this country would be delighted if following a vaccine Covid19 were eliminated from the UK, even if it was still present in the Democratic Republic of Congo so wasn't officially completely eradicated.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    Perhaps you should be more accurate with your claims of Trumpers.

    Still I see you can't disagree with the point I made.

    Don't you think its a bit disappointing that Joe Biden is the best that the Democrats can come up with ?

    Even at his peak Biden was viewed far behind the likes of Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Gephardt.
    Since Trump's Covid episode I have looked at Biden in some detail. I have watched his speeches and some interviews.

    I was taken in by the Sleepy Joe notion created by Trump. The presentation of Biden's speeches (presumably written by speech writers- with a nod to Neil Kinnock!) are OK. He is no Obama or Bill Clinton, but he can hold his own.
    He's not deranged and he can read a speech.

    Basically he's a clapped out politico overdue for retirement.

    Do the Democrats not have a single Governor who is 40-60, sensible, competent ?

    That, to me, is the most disappointing aspect.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 2,053
    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    On the same theme as Viv Richards, Christian Vieri played World Cup games for Italy at football and cricket.

    Dennis Compton. Middlesex and Arsenal. The perfect career.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,324
    edited October 11

    LadyG said:

    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
    Of course you can end a pandemic. It might take years or even decades to achieve. When was the last time anyone contracted Spanish flu?
    Pandemics generally end themselves. They burn out, like wildfires. They are not "ended" by humans.

    "To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated"



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
    That's not really accurate, since you're talking about the global stage.

    If you mean essentially eradicated from a country that is different.

    I think most people in this country would be delighted if following a vaccine Covid19 were eliminated from the UK, even if it was still present in the Democratic Republic of Congo so wasn't officially completely eradicated.
    There's no chance that a vaccine will eradicate the virus in any country. It will eventually lose its potency of its own accord.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 22,324
    IshmaelZ said:

    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
    Borodin arguably even weirder - composer and chemist, and apparently equally important at both.
    Also Primo Levi, though I'm not sure how much his chemistry was above the skilled professional level. It was certainly an asset in his writing though (as well as saving his life).
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245
    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    LadyG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    It's really not surprising that people good at one sport involving a ball are often rather good at another sport involving a ball.

    The truly intriguing geniuses are those who excel in two very different areas.

    A classic example is Sir John Vanbrugh. A famous architect AND playwright. Wtf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007qzh
    Borodin arguably even weirder - composer and chemist, and apparently equally important at both.
    Never knew Borodin was a chemist! That is properly strange.
    He was originally going to be a doctor but didn't like the sight of blood so became a research chemist.

    Goethe was a scientist as well.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 2,551
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    I don't see why we need two cup competitions. If it is kept, they might as well exclude PL teams from it as they often play baby teams anyway.
    BiB - but that's why we don't need to abolish it. Everyone knows the score. In normal times the fourth round is usually played during October Half Term, so it's ideal for kids to go to.

    And, yes, I know why the League Cup came about, but it fills a decent role I think these days.
    Also gives lower league teams two chances (FA and league cup) to meet the big boys (even if they are all in name only when the squads are announced)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 42,466
    Andy_JS said:

    LadyG said:

    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Would this be the first change of PM/President of a major country during the pandemic? It will serve as a nice way of showing whether the solutions, and their implementation, are as easy as the opposition said.
    Indeed. I predict he will be little better than Trump in effect, though he will talk slightly more coherently. Most of the decisions are made at state level, for a start.

    You can't "end a pandemic". It's a storm which must be endured - and the damage mitigated, in various ways.
    Of course you can end a pandemic. It might take years or even decades to achieve. When was the last time anyone contracted Spanish flu?
    Pandemics generally end themselves. They burn out, like wildfires. They are not "ended" by humans.

    "To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated"



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
    That's not really accurate, since you're talking about the global stage.

    If you mean essentially eradicated from a country that is different.

    I think most people in this country would be delighted if following a vaccine Covid19 were eliminated from the UK, even if it was still present in the Democratic Republic of Congo so wasn't officially completely eradicated.
    There's no chance that a vaccine will eradicate the virus in any country. It will eventually lose its potency of its own accord.
    There is every chance, there is a reason we use vaccines. Viruses don't just lose potency of their own accord, if it wasn't for vaccines people would still be ravaged by polio as well as smallpox etc
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 42,466

    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    The League Cup does not need to be abolished. The Premier League does not need to go to 18 teams.

    It's the FIFA dates and UEFA claiming four midweeks for the L16 of the Champions League that's the problem, not our football calendar.

    I don't see why we need two cup competitions. If it is kept, they might as well exclude PL teams from it as they often play baby teams anyway.
    BiB - but that's why we don't need to abolish it. Everyone knows the score. In normal times the fourth round is usually played during October Half Term, so it's ideal for kids to go to.

    And, yes, I know why the League Cup came about, but it fills a decent role I think these days.
    Also gives lower league teams two chances (FA and league cup) to meet the big boys (even if they are all in name only when the squads are announced)
    One other advantage is it gives fans more chances to go to a game. If you don't go regularly then getting a ticket to watch Liverpool at Anfield can be quite challenging sometimes, but I've been quite a few times for League Cup games - its easier to get a ticket and cheaper too. Yes you're less likely to see a top squad, but you know that going in.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753
    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964
    edited October 11

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    Perhaps you should be more accurate with your claims of Trumpers.

    Still I see you can't disagree with the point I made.

    Don't you think its a bit disappointing that Joe Biden is the best that the Democrats can come up with ?

    Even at his peak Biden was viewed far behind the likes of Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Gephardt.
    Since Trump's Covid episode I have looked at Biden in some detail. I have watched his speeches and some interviews.

    I was taken in by the Sleepy Joe notion created by Trump. The presentation of Biden's speeches (presumably written by speech writers- with a nod to Neil Kinnock!) are OK. He is no Obama or Bill Clinton, but he can hold his own.
    He's not deranged and he can read a speech.

    Basically he's a clapped out politico overdue for retirement.

    Do the Democrats not have a single Governor who is 40-60, sensible, competent ?

    That, to me, is the most disappointing aspect.
    I can't say Joe would have been my choice either, but as we are where we are, it is him or Trump and that means Joe by a country mile.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753
    Yes, it is a bug (or a feature)

    https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01252/en-us

    Ridiculous
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,245
    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    Its very difficult to spend £12bn without something substantial to show for it and/or massive malfeasance.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,671
    I think Biden will have a tough Presidency. The economic and social disruption of the Pandemic make that inevitable, as well as the unsustainable Federal spending.

    Possibly by 2024 things will be looking brighter for President Harris though.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 42,466
    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    We did not spend £12bn on the app.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 2,551

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    Its very difficult to spend £12bn without something substantial to show for it and/or massive malfeasance.
    To put £12B in context that's like every person in the uk including kids giving £200 towards it.

    It is criminally shocking and shows that we are being lead through this covid -19 year by people who have no idea what they are doing.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 3,543
    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    And now your contact tracing information is getting sold on in order to spam you:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/contact-tracing-data-harvested-from-pubs-and-restaurants-being-sold-on-s0d85mkrr
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    Its very difficult to spend £12bn without something substantial to show for it and/or massive malfeasance.
    To be fair, the £12bn figure seems to be misleading. That's what we've spent on our entire track and trace effort, not just the app.

    https://fullfact.org/online/ireland-uk-tracing-app/

    Nonetheless, for £12bn you would expect it to be as good as Korea's. It ain't.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,753

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    We did not spend £12bn on the app.
    Yes, I just checked. But we have spent £12bn on track and trace in England, and it isn't working
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,964

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    Its very difficult to spend £12bn without something substantial to show for it and/or massive malfeasance.
    Someone of Dido's experience and ability doesn't come cheap you know!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,671

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    And now your contact tracing information is getting sold on in order to spam you:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/contact-tracing-data-harvested-from-pubs-and-restaurants-being-sold-on-s0d85mkrr
    Bit dodgy under the Data Protection Act surely?

    Data can only be used for the purpose that it was originally given for.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,671

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    Its very difficult to spend £12bn without something substantial to show for it and/or massive malfeasance.
    Someone of Dido's experience and ability doesn't come cheap you know!
    You have to spend big to get the best talent.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,066

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    Perhaps you should be more accurate with your claims of Trumpers.

    Still I see you can't disagree with the point I made.

    Don't you think its a bit disappointing that Joe Biden is the best that the Democrats can come up with ?

    Even at his peak Biden was viewed far behind the likes of Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Gephardt.
    Since Trump's Covid episode I have looked at Biden in some detail. I have watched his speeches and some interviews.

    I was taken in by the Sleepy Joe notion created by Trump. The presentation of Biden's speeches (presumably written by speech writers- with a nod to Neil Kinnock!) are OK. He is no Obama or Bill Clinton, but he can hold his own.
    No, its just an indication of how far things have fallen that a life long politician can read a speech is taken as he is doing well.

    He was crap at the debate, it is just he was up against somebody who came across even worse.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,862
    edited October 11
    @TSE, an interesting thread header but I suggest you double check that last line.

    Although it’s positively Freudian given Biden’s increasing incoherence, ‘I don’t think anyone on team Biden won’t forget health care during the pandemic’ is I suspect not quite what you meant to say...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,066
    And another outbreak if covid in the hand egg meaning another game is postponed.

    Bet the club owners are regretting not accepting the biosecure bubble idea instead of spending $100m on daily testing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,862
    Foxy said:

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    Its very difficult to spend £12bn without something substantial to show for it and/or massive malfeasance.
    Someone of Dido's experience and ability doesn't come cheap you know!
    You have to spend big to get the best talent.
    I keep misreading her name as ‘Dildo’, which makes that comment doubly apt.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,066
    Interesting in the EPL proposal....

    It is also planned that, as well as the 'big six', ever-present league member Everton, West Ham United and Southampton - ninth and 11th respectively in the list of clubs who have featured in the most Premier League seasons - would be granted special status.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,153
    edited October 11


    In the Premier League's view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published today could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support.

    That's a pretty damning statement.
  • tlg86 said:



    In the Premier League's view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published today could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support.

    That's a pretty damning statement.
    Not just the Chair of the EFL, but the PL's first Chief Executive.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,100
    Polio would be eradicated as a disease if not for a couple of pockets of anti-vax loons in Nigeria and Pakistan.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 7,090

    tlg86 said:



    In the Premier League's view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published today could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support.

    That's a pretty damning statement.
    Not just the Chair of the EFL, but the PL's first Chief Executive.
    Ex Liverpool CEO as well.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,324
    (£)

    "How closely linked are lockdown and Brexit? | The Spectator
    Patrick West

    Once upon a time, a long time ago, this country was consumed by the matter of Brexit. Everywhere you turned, in every medium, even among friends and colleagues, you couldn't get away from the subject: everyone was talking about Brexit. We were obsessed by it. From 2016 to 2019 there was no escape.

    All of this changed this year. With the pandemic, the rancorous matter of Brexit vanished, or at least stopped becoming the emotive, divisive matter of primary concern. It has been relegated to a pedestrian news story about trading rights. In the year of the coronavirus and all its horrors, paranoia and despair, Brexit has become a sideshow. Right?

    Wrong. While the clamorous conflict between Leavers and Remainers has ostensibly ceased, in our collective subconscious the same cleavage in our society remains – only the subject matter has changed. As you may have concluded from newspapers and your social media feed, Remainer and Leave camps have merely metamorphosed into pro-lockdown and anti-lockdown tribes."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-closely-linked-are-lockdown-and-brexit-
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,763

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
    No, look: the subject of discussion was what sport is likely to give the best prospects for a young Caribbean bloke deciding on a career path. The question is whether if the young Viv Richards had never heard of cricket and was born in a baseball or basketball culture he would have excelled. The argument is an a fortiori one: if he (and C B Fry) can manage a career as an international footballer in his spare time when he is basically a cricketer, he could sure as fck make it big as a baseball or tennis player (both closer to cricket than football is) if he had devoted himself to those sports from the get go. Do you think Americans are *genetically* predisposed to baseball, or that they take innate talent and turn it to what happens to be available?

    As I say 13 people have played both cricket and football for England. CB Fry also held the world long jump record.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,153

    Interesting in the EPL proposal....

    It is also planned that, as well as the 'big six', ever-present league member Everton, West Ham United and Southampton - ninth and 11th respectively in the list of clubs who have featured in the most Premier League seasons - would be granted special status.

    Villa and Newcastle have spent more time in the PL than Man City.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,100
    edited October 11
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 14,978
    Andy_JS said:

    (£)

    "How closely linked are lockdown and Brexit? | The Spectator
    Patrick West

    Once upon a time, a long time ago, this country was consumed by the matter of Brexit. Everywhere you turned, in every medium, even among friends and colleagues, you couldn't get away from the subject: everyone was talking about Brexit. We were obsessed by it. From 2016 to 2019 there was no escape.

    All of this changed this year. With the pandemic, the rancorous matter of Brexit vanished, or at least stopped becoming the emotive, divisive matter of primary concern. It has been relegated to a pedestrian news story about trading rights. In the year of the coronavirus and all its horrors, paranoia and despair, Brexit has become a sideshow. Right?

    Wrong. While the clamorous conflict between Leavers and Remainers has ostensibly ceased, in our collective subconscious the same cleavage in our society remains – only the subject matter has changed. As you may have concluded from newspapers and your social media feed, Remainer and Leave camps have merely metamorphosed into pro-lockdown and anti-lockdown tribes."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-closely-linked-are-lockdown-and-brexit-

    Not really. There is a large pro-lockdown majority, which must include lots of Leavers (though I accept the p[oint in the last thread that being pro-lockdown is easier if you're not affected). The new division is between "robust libertarians" (a subset of Leave) and more or less everyone else.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 7,090

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
    Ester Ledecka deserves a mention here, reigning Olympic champion at skiing and snowboarding - and yes those are completely different sports and techniques.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,862

    LadyG said:

    Be interesting to see Biden's proposals on "ending the pandemic". Likewise his ideas for cancelling winter, and shifting the orbit of the Moon

    Has Biden ever had any ideas beyond plagiarising Neil Kinnock ?
    The Trumpers sound very downcast. Remember, Trump hasn't lost yet, by fair means or foul.
    Perhaps you should be more accurate with your claims of Trumpers.

    Still I see you can't disagree with the point I made.

    Don't you think its a bit disappointing that Joe Biden is the best that the Democrats can come up with ?

    Even at his peak Biden was viewed far behind the likes of Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Gephardt.
    Since Trump's Covid episode I have looked at Biden in some detail. I have watched his speeches and some interviews.

    I was taken in by the Sleepy Joe notion created by Trump. The presentation of Biden's speeches (presumably written by speech writers- with a nod to Neil Kinnock!) are OK. He is no Obama or Bill Clinton, but he can hold his own.
    No, its just an indication of how far things have fallen that a life long politician can read a speech is taken as he is doing well.

    He was crap at the debate, it is just he was up against somebody who came across even worse.
    Worked for Johnson.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 7,090

    Andy_JS said:

    (£)

    "How closely linked are lockdown and Brexit? | The Spectator
    Patrick West

    Once upon a time, a long time ago, this country was consumed by the matter of Brexit. Everywhere you turned, in every medium, even among friends and colleagues, you couldn't get away from the subject: everyone was talking about Brexit. We were obsessed by it. From 2016 to 2019 there was no escape.

    All of this changed this year. With the pandemic, the rancorous matter of Brexit vanished, or at least stopped becoming the emotive, divisive matter of primary concern. It has been relegated to a pedestrian news story about trading rights. In the year of the coronavirus and all its horrors, paranoia and despair, Brexit has become a sideshow. Right?

    Wrong. While the clamorous conflict between Leavers and Remainers has ostensibly ceased, in our collective subconscious the same cleavage in our society remains – only the subject matter has changed. As you may have concluded from newspapers and your social media feed, Remainer and Leave camps have merely metamorphosed into pro-lockdown and anti-lockdown tribes."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-closely-linked-are-lockdown-and-brexit-

    Not really. There is a large pro-lockdown majority, which must include lots of Leavers (though I accept the p[oint in the last thread that being pro-lockdown is easier if you're not affected). The new division is between "robust libertarians" (a subset of Leave) and more or less everyone else.
    Perhaps even robust libertarians who are not good at science and everyone else!
  • Alistair said:
    Good
  • glwglw Posts: 6,668

    LadyG said:

    I just got another one of the NHS App notifications saying "Possible Exposure". Yet the notification then disappeared (as before) and there is no explanation, or any more info at all, on the App.

    Is this really a bug? It's insane. We spent £12bn as a nation on this crap.

    And now your contact tracing information is getting sold on in order to spam you:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/contact-tracing-data-harvested-from-pubs-and-restaurants-being-sold-on-s0d85mkrr
    I'm 99% sure that has nothing to do with the NHS app, as far as I know the establishments don't see any of the check-in data. It may apply to third party check-in services which jumped on the COVID-19 bandwagon.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 7,090
    edited October 11

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
    Isnt the answer to a quiz question Ian Botham in that if you ask who is the only England Captain to play for Scunthorpe?

    Also Daley Thompson (not content with being good at 10 events) also played football for Mansfield for a couple of appearances i think
    It is but the answer is wrong! Ray Clemence has done both as well. And Keegan as well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,862
    edited October 11
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
    No, look: the subject of discussion was what sport is likely to give the best prospects for a young Caribbean bloke deciding on a career path. The question is whether if the young Viv Richards had never heard of cricket and was born in a baseball or basketball culture he would have excelled. The argument is an a fortiori one: if he (and C B Fry) can manage a career as an international footballer in his spare time when he is basically a cricketer, he could sure as fck make it big as a baseball or tennis player (both closer to cricket than football is) if he had devoted himself to those sports from the get go. Do you think Americans are *genetically* predisposed to baseball, or that they take innate talent and turn it to what happens to be available?

    As I say 13 people have played both cricket and football for England. CB Fry also held the world long jump record.
    How many of them were at the very pinnacle of either sport while still playing the other? The last of those 13, Arthur Milton, was capped once for football and eight times for cricket. He was essentially a good solid county cricketer who earned extra money in the off season by playing for a London club (I forget which) and was called up for football in an injury crisis. Generally, to reach the top of a sport you have to fully commit to it.

    I would have thought the closest thing to a modern sportsman who excelled in multiple disciplines would be AB de Villiers, but Kyle Edmund and the Neville brothers both played under-19 cricket.

    Among women, of course, Ellyse Perry is something of a dazzling exception but I think she’s given up football now.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,763

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:
    Looks like there is life in Peckham.

    Nice clip anyway. Good to see a bit of street cricket rather than any aggro.
    Its interesting how the rise and fall of the West Indies cricket team was mirrored by the rise and fall of English cricketers of West Indian heritage.
    The pull of big money football and hoops?
    Sure, but can you see Viv Richards as a basketball player or Devon Malcolm as a footballer ?

    Few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Although Viv Richards did play world cup qualifiers for Antigua in football.
    He did and also had a trial for Bath City.

    Playing for Antigua at football is rather different to playing for Antigua at cricket :wink:
    There are 13 *English* dual internationals, including C B Fry :wink:
    695 English test cricketers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    1244 English international football players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_international_footballers

    1410 English international rugby union players

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_players

    As I said few sportsmen are professional standard at more than one sport.
    Yes. Have you discounted the ones who never bothered to try?

    What is really wrong with your point is that we are talking about career choices made by the very young, so established sportsmen moonlighting at something else are kinda not relevant.
    Perhaps you could name some who could have played at professional level at different sports.

    Phil Neville was apparently a fine cricketer and Ian Botham could have been a rugged central defender (though not of international class).

    How many more ? A few certainly.

    And that's what I said to begin with.
    Ester Ledecka deserves a mention here, reigning Olympic champion at skiing and snowboarding - and yes those are completely different sports and techniques.
    Conversely, Natalia Partyka is an Olympic standard wiff-waff player in both able bodied and paralympic classes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,106
    That Premier League plan sounds awful. Even as a supporter of a big six club I'm hugely against it. Get rid of the league cup if there's fixture congestion a 20 team league is a must have.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,324
    O/T

    Nadal has taken the first set 6-0 vs Djokovic in the French Open final.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/tennis/50283761
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,066
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Nadal has taken the first set 6-0 vs Djokovic in the French Open final.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/tennis/50283761

    Best ever clay court player....not even close.
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