To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
The more I reflect, the more I think Sturgeon behaved reasonably correctly. Compare & contrast:
The SNP Way:
Allegations are received about sexual misbehaviour of a senior politician. The First Minister refuses to quash them & decides they should be investigated. The complainants and the politician have their day in court. The politician is acquitted of the charges, except for one not proven.
The Labour Way:
Allegations are received about sexual misbehaviour of a senior politician. The First Minister selectively leaks details to the press. The senior politician hangs himself. The Labour party commissions a report on the matters leading to the suicide, which is suppressed. The First Minister resigns.
It seems to me astonishing that the party facing any questions is the SNP.
In terms of early voting in a normal election year the Dems historically have a small lead going into election day. This time they’re likely to have a massive lead .
This needs to be factored into polling especially in swing states where you’re now going to have many more solid votes counted than in previous election cycles .
For Trump that means he needs an even bigger turnaround in voting intention of those that haven’t voted yet than would normally be the case .
Ideally Voting intention should already be capturing the already voteds. So a 51%Biden 49% Trump split would still likely favour Trump in the EC but getting thefre from the current VI (about 53v45) is going to be so much harder if 5-10% have already voted.
To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
In terms of early voting in a normal election year the Dems historically have a small lead going into election day. This time they’re likely to have a massive lead .
This needs to be factored into polling especially in swing states where you’re now going to have many more solid votes counted than in previous election cycles .
For Trump that means he needs an even bigger turnaround in voting intention of those that haven’t voted yet than would normally be the case .
The most dedicated supporters are the earliest voters.
That’s irrelevant because of the massive increase in early and mail in voting .It’s likely around 60% will have voted before Election Day and even more in some swing states .
Swing state polling in quite a few states as was mentioned earlier are partial exit polls . This means that Trump needs an even bigger lead in those voting on the day to even get close .
To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
No conflict of interests here at all!
Nope, look at the way John W. Henry and FSG broke the curse of the Bambino, these guys are the best in sports world, no wonder FSG is valued at $8 billion, and Liverpool FC north of £2 billion after FSG bought Liverpool FC for £300 million a decade ago.
The money won't be enough to cover the damage done, long term, to biz confidence, to mental health, to everything. They are such idiots. This is led by mad scientists who have hypnotised terrified politicians
I was talking to an American friend yesterday. She has already sent off her "Absentee Vote" but said, that absentee votes are only counted if a state is close enough for it it make a difference. Is that true? It seems really odd to me. I can understand that they are not included in preliminiary results, when the state is officially declared REP or DEM, but they also publish final results, which take a couple of weeks to compile. I can't see why absentee votes should not be included in the full results.
BTW she explained to me that an absentee vote is different from a mail in vote. I hadn't appreciated the difference before.
I was talking to an American friend yesterday. She has already sent off her "Absentee Vote" but said, that absentee votes are only counted if a state is close enough for it it make a difference. Is that true? It seems really odd to me. I can understand that they are not included in preliminiary results, when the state is officially declared REP or DEM, but they also publish final results, which take a couple of weeks to compile. I can't see why absentee votes should not be included in the full results.
BTW she explained to me that an absentee vote is different from a mail in vote. I hadn't appreciated the difference before.
To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
No conflict of interests here at all!
Nope, look at the way John W. Henry and FSG broke the curse of the Bambino, these guys are the best in sports world, no wonder FSG is valued at $8 billion, and Liverpool FC north of £2 billion after FSG bought Liverpool FC for £300 million a decade ago.
Yes, and now they want to change football to the American sports franchise model in order to safeguard their investment. It's not philanthropy.
To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
No conflict of interests here at all!
Nope, look at the way John W. Henry and FSG broke the curse of the Bambino, these guys are the best in sports world, no wonder FSG is valued at $8 billion, and Liverpool FC north of £2 billion after FSG bought Liverpool FC for £300 million a decade ago.
Yes, and now they want to change football to the American sports franchise model in order to safeguard their investment. It's not philanthropy.
FSG have never taken a penny out of The Red Sox or Liverpool, they are excellent custodians.
I was talking to an American friend yesterday. She has already sent off her "Absentee Vote" but said, that absentee votes are only counted if a state is close enough for it it make a difference. Is that true? It seems really odd to me. I can understand that they are not included in preliminiary results, when the state is officially declared REP or DEM, but they also publish final results, which take a couple of weeks to compile. I can't see why absentee votes should not be included in the full results.
BTW she explained to me that an absentee vote is different from a mail in vote. I hadn't appreciated the difference before.
In terms of early voting in a normal election year the Dems historically have a small lead going into election day. This time they’re likely to have a massive lead .
This needs to be factored into polling especially in swing states where you’re now going to have many more solid votes counted than in previous election cycles .
For Trump that means he needs an even bigger turnaround in voting intention of those that haven’t voted yet than would normally be the case .
The most dedicated supporters are the earliest voters.
That’s irrelevant because of the massive increase in early and mail in voting .It’s likely around 60% will have voted before Election Day and even more in some swing states .
Swing state polling in quite a few states as was mentioned earlier are partial exit polls . This means that Trump needs an even bigger lead in those voting on the day to even get close .
No he needs the same lead in votes. He needs a bigger lead for the on the day voting. The polls are not 100% "on the day voting"
To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
No conflict of interests here at all!
Nope, look at the way John W. Henry and FSG broke the curse of the Bambino, these guys are the best in sports world, no wonder FSG is valued at $8 billion, and Liverpool FC north of £2 billion after FSG bought Liverpool FC for £300 million a decade ago.
My apologies, please forgive my lack of education but I didn't realise prior commercial success meant that you couldn't have a conflict of interest.
To be honest the way John W. Henry and FSG have turned Liverpool from a basket case club heading for administration to the champions of everything club we should back FSG's proposal to turn around English football, they have an excellent track record.
No conflict of interests here at all!
Nope, look at the way John W. Henry and FSG broke the curse of the Bambino, these guys are the best in sports world, no wonder FSG is valued at $8 billion, and Liverpool FC north of £2 billion after FSG bought Liverpool FC for £300 million a decade ago.
My apologies, please forgive my lack of education but I didn't realise prior commercial success meant that you couldn't have a conflict of interest.
What is wrong with people, since when were shops closing or is it they think they won’t be able to go to the Trafford Centre?
They expect lockdown 2 to last six months and all the non essential shops to close.
Manchester is plague central at the moment with the two unis.
How to completely wipe out an economy.
Indeed. If big cities like Manc really do get a 6 month total lockdown then the UK will go bust
I doubt it because people simply wouldn't obey.
In a country like South Korea the government can issue orders and 99.9% of the population will do what they're told. Even though it's officially a liberal democracy it's still quite authoritarian beneath the surface.
Yes. People will comply with rules they don't like if a) there are stiff punishments AND b) they think they're likely to be caught. Our government has been excellent at announcing stiff punishments, but our police have not seriously enforced them as far as I can tell so it's been a bit of a farce. No wonder a poll said only 18% of people have followed the rules.
(Also the rules keep changing).
Well quite. At every stage of this the scientists and politicians have told us that the current rules in place are sufficient if people follow them. And in most cases they have emphasised this by not just issuing "guidance" but putting it into legislation.
But then at every stage they have done virtually nothing to actually enforce the guidance/legislation that they have imposed and have said is absolutely crucial to avoid further tighter restrictions a.k.a destroying the economy of the country.
Why introduce legislation if you are not going to make some effort to enforce it? You can't wish compliance on a population, especially when there will always be a signifiant minority who will carry on as normal.
I was talking to an American friend yesterday. She has already sent off her "Absentee Vote" but said, that absentee votes are only counted if a state is close enough for it it make a difference. Is that true? It seems really odd to me. I can understand that they are not included in preliminiary results, when the state is officially declared REP or DEM, but they also publish final results, which take a couple of weeks to compile. I can't see why absentee votes should not be included in the full results.
BTW she explained to me that an absentee vote is different from a mail in vote. I hadn't appreciated the difference before.
I think they’re all supposed to be counted, but I suspect for some states where the outcome is clear (eg CA), they give up at some point.
OK. Still seems unfair. She votes in New York, so if that's not one of the "states where the outcome is clear" then the it's going to be a long hard cold winter.
Have they been living there or not? I don't think it will come as a surprise to many that government ministers tend to spend a lot of time living in London.
Any Northern political leader/mayor are the modern day equivalent of Vichy France for going along with the southern Boris Johnson's proposals for Harrying of the North.
Have they been living there or not? I don't think it will come as a surprise to many that government ministers tend to spend a lot of time living in London.
Irrelevant, why aren't they locking down those regions represented by those ministers?
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
Have they been living there or not? I don't think it will come as a surprise to many that government ministers tend to spend a lot of time living in London.
Irrelevant, why aren't they locking down those regions represented by those ministers?
Why is it irrelevant if they aren't actually living there?
Any Northern political leader/mayor are the modern day equivalent of Vichy France for going along with the southern Boris Johnson's proposals for Harrying of the North.
Anyone who allows Boris Johnson to get within Petain distance is reckless to the point of stupidity.
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
I don't think there will be "overwhelming support" by the time we reach early January, and all the pubs have been shut since mid October
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
It will though if the economy is more adversely affected with respect to affluent areas.
As the archetypal Yorkshireman (aka proper Northerner) on PB I can say with great assurance these lockdown proposals will go down very poorly in the desolate North.
As the archetypal Yorkshireman (aka proper Northerner) on PB I can say with great assurance these lockdown proposals will go down very poorly in the desolate North.
Agreed
Was in town yesterday and met up with some totally non political people for first time since March.
They will simply ignore any new rules and will continue to live as normally as possible.
There is massive resentment amongst the normal people that they are about to be asked to restrict their lives again, yet the southerners are not.
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
It will though if the economy is more adversely affected with respect to affluent areas.
Ok, yes, but then it's a slightly different matter as it'll come down to whether the Govt has done enough to support the economy etc in those areas.
I don't think the principle of the lockdown will cost votes.
I don't know if at least some Conservatives were genuine when criticising Labour's love of the "magic money tree", but i think it is pretty clear that Johnson never was. As has always been obvious throughout his political career.
Lots of angry notherners on Twitter saying the south is being spared. This is going to kill the Tories north of Brum
Doesn't make any sense if, at present, the north is harder hit, but then people often don't make sense.
I would not be surprised if there will be lots of angry people, even as polling shows people support measures even in their own areas when cases rise, as they have been. So inconsistent.
Honestly, what is supposed to happen? If people are against a national lockdown, you have regional ones, which inevitably mean some areas targeted ahead of others.
As the archetypal Yorkshireman (aka proper Northerner) on PB I can say with great assurance these lockdown proposals will go down very poorly in the desolate North.
Agreed
Was in town yesterday and met up with some totally non political people for first time since March.
They will simply ignore any new rules and will continue to live as normally as possible.
There is massive resentment amongst the normal people that they are about to be asked to restrict their lives again, yet the southerners are not.
The lockdowns are coming in areas with high incidence of the virus. Who'd have thunk it.
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
I think that may be an overly rational view of the situation. Even if it makes sense some number of people will complain about facing restrictions others do not.
Have they been living there or not? I don't think it will come as a surprise to many that government ministers tend to spend a lot of time living in London.
Irrelevant, why aren't they locking down those regions represented by those ministers?
Why is it irrelevant if they aren't actually living there?
Jenrick was rather emphatic about saying he did live in his country house. Context is key.
Have they been living there or not? I don't think it will come as a surprise to many that government ministers tend to spend a lot of time living in London.
Irrelevant, why aren't they locking down those regions represented by those ministers?
Why is it irrelevant if they aren't actually living there?
Jenrick was rather emphatic about saying he did live in his country house. Context is key.
I'm sure he was living there for the purposes of that particular controversy.
I suspect a lot of people are thinking back to lockdown in March/April as remembering it "wasn't so bad". But then the weather was great, we could leave our houses and wander about in glorious sunshine, we were getting inspired by the novelty of home working, discovering Zoom and all the other video socialising options etc.
It won't be anything like that in autumn, winter. Going out will be miserable, there won't be quite the same sense of social camaraderie standing in the pouring rain waiting to get into supermarkets, people tired of video socialising long ago. It's just going to be grim. And plenty of potential for social unrest if policies are local and not national. Published figures don't tell the full story, but they are all that people see and they create resentment when they see some areas without restrictions whereas others do.
Well, first of all I would never have expected it of you. But second, what were you doing in Bishop Auckland? You’re supposed to be locked down in South Wales and all the serious lockdown breakers go to Barnard Castle.
Tomorrow is likely to be a big day in the covid story
Boris puts forward a traffic light scheme for regulation of covid outbreaks to the HOC
The HOC will vent fury from some quarters and including conservative and labour mps
Labour will either vote for or abstain so the laws will come in from Wednesday
Liverpool go to tier 3 lockdown with mutual agreement with the Liverpool leaders and HMG
Manchester and other areas will have tier 2 lockdown but again the leaders will agree because compensation packages modelled on Liverpool will apply per tier lockdown
I may be wrong but I would be surprised if this is not near the position at the end of tomorrow
As the archetypal Yorkshireman (aka proper Northerner) on PB I can say with great assurance these lockdown proposals will go down very poorly in the desolate North.
Agreed
Was in town yesterday and met up with some totally non political people for first time since March.
They will simply ignore any new rules and will continue to live as normally as possible.
There is massive resentment amongst the normal people that they are about to be asked to restrict their lives again, yet the southerners are not.
The lockdowns are coming in areas with high incidence of the virus. Who'd have thunk it.
General comment was that the lock downs that the north is having to face is the fault of southerners in government.
People just want an effective government, like in Germany, not to be locked down again.
Alas our incompetent government, full of southerners, is causing the north to have to lock down as they are utterly unable to replicate the relative success of countries like Germany.
A dangerous narrative taking hold. 1 We locked down because of high cases and irresponsibility in London. 2 We unlocked too early because of falling numbers of cases Down South before it was under control in the North. 3 We were exhorted to get out and about and in the office because of fears about the London property market. 4 Students arrived from middle class areas and spread the virus. 5 Now the North is being locked down because cases Down South have begun to rise.
Not sure of the 100% veracity of all that, but it is a view which is widely held.
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
I don't think there will be "overwhelming support" by the time we reach early January, and all the pubs have been shut since mid October
Why? The pubs were shut for nearly four months previously and it still maintained overwhelming support at the time.
As the archetypal Yorkshireman (aka proper Northerner) on PB I can say with great assurance these lockdown proposals will go down very poorly in the desolate North.
Agreed
Was in town yesterday and met up with some totally non political people for first time since March.
They will simply ignore any new rules and will continue to live as normally as possible.
There is massive resentment amongst the normal people that they are about to be asked to restrict their lives again, yet the southerners are not.
The lockdowns are coming in areas with high incidence of the virus. Who'd have thunk it.
Yeah, and those southerners got the plague and died in quite large numbers in the spring, so the idea that the south is being spared is quite simply a load of bollocks.
A dangerous narrative taking hold. 1 We locked down because of high cases and irresponsibility in London. 2 We unlocked too early because of falling numbers of cases Down South before it was under control in the North. 3 We were exhorted to get out and about and in the office because of fears about the London property market. 4 Students arrived from middle class areas and spread the virus. 5 Now the North is being locked down because cases Down South have begun to rise.
Not sure of the 100% veracity of all that, but it is a view which is widely held.
Number 2 is very likely true according to my father's former colleagues.
The irony is if we had regional unlockdowns in July we wouldn't be seeing today's problems.
I suspect a lot of people are thinking back to lockdown in March/April as remembering it "wasn't so bad". But then the weather was great, we could leave our houses and wander about in glorious sunshine, we were getting inspired by the novelty of home working, discovering Zoom and all the other video socialising options etc.
It won't be anything like that in autumn, winter. Going out will be miserable, there won't be quite the same sense of social camaraderie standing in the pouring rain waiting to get into supermarkets, people tired of video socialising long ago. It's just going to be grim. And plenty of potential for social unrest if policies are local and not national. Published figures don't tell the full story, but they are all that people see and they create resentment when they see some areas without restrictions whereas others do.
There won't be any singing from rooftops or clapping for carers this time. Just relentless isolation and increasing misery as the nights get ever longer and the days get ever colder.
Chances of rebellion, somehow, somewhere, in some form, must be quite high
A dangerous narrative taking hold. 1 We locked down because of high cases and irresponsibility in London. 2 We unlocked too early because of falling numbers of cases Down South before it was under control in the North. 3 We were exhorted to get out and about and in the office because of fears about the London property market. 4 Students arrived from middle class areas and spread the virus. 5 Now the North is being locked down because cases Down South have begun to rise.
Not sure of the 100% veracity of all that, but it is a view which is widely held.
Number 2 is very likely true according to my father's former colleagues.
The irony is if we had regional unlockdowns in July we wouldn't be seeing today's problems.
Agree with this - we came out of the first lockdown too early.
A dangerous narrative taking hold. 1 We locked down because of high cases and irresponsibility in London. 2 We unlocked too early because of falling numbers of cases Down South before it was under control in the North. 3 We were exhorted to get out and about and in the office because of fears about the London property market. 4 Students arrived from middle class areas and spread the virus. 5 Now the North is being locked down because cases Down South have begun to rise.
Not sure of the 100% veracity of all that, but it is a view which is widely held.
Andy Burnham complained at the time that the initial lock down was too early and was based on falling numbers down south and took zero notice of what is going on in the north.
This forum shows just how out of touch many southerners are in terms of how people in the north think and operate.
Won't just be Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving England at this rate, there is real anger out there at the southern government.
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Correction - it can't be a regional lockdown, if everywhere that major journalists live is locked down.
Someone should do a "Map of Britain according to....."
The SNP Way:
Allegations are received about sexual misbehaviour of a senior politician.
The First Minister refuses to quash them & decides they should be investigated.
The complainants and the politician have their day in court.
The politician is acquitted of the charges, except for one not proven.
The Labour Way:
Allegations are received about sexual misbehaviour of a senior politician.
The First Minister selectively leaks details to the press.
The senior politician hangs himself.
The Labour party commissions a report on the matters leading to the suicide, which is suppressed.
The First Minister resigns.
It seems to me astonishing that the party facing any questions is the SNP.
RIP Carl Sergeant.
Like the way cider doesn't count as one of your five fruit and veg a day.
https://twitter.com/InfosFrancaises/status/1315182042213122048
For other people.
https://twitter.com/shadsy/status/1315326363310661635
https://twitter.com/shadsy/status/1315333663404548100
I speak pungent truth.
You are rude
He is snarling
Swing state polling in quite a few states as was mentioned earlier are partial exit polls . This means that Trump needs an even bigger lead in those voting on the day to even get close .
BTW she explained to me that an absentee vote is different from a mail in vote. I hadn't appreciated the difference before.
What is it about?
https://www.vote.org/absentee-voting-rules/
I think they’re all supposed to be counted, but I suspect for some states where the outcome is clear (eg CA), they give up at some point.
But then at every stage they have done virtually nothing to actually enforce the guidance/legislation that they have imposed and have said is absolutely crucial to avoid further tighter restrictions a.k.a destroying the economy of the country.
Why introduce legislation if you are not going to make some effort to enforce it? You can't wish compliance on a population, especially when there will always be a signifiant minority who will carry on as normal.
My thread has moved the markets once again.Must be the Baldwin Wallace University poll for Ohio published today that has Trump ahead by 2%
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1315031019079249920
They’re a funny lot in Gloucester.
Six months.
Best question is "If Donald Trump loses the election, do you think he will accept the results and concede once the votes have been certified?"
About 58% say No.
Iowa, Florida , Arizona , North Carolina , Georgia and Ohio .
That means that these will most certainly be showing a big Biden lead as counting starts .
It’s more complicated with Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Only Michigan allows early processing of just one day , the other two can only start processing on Election Day .
Sturgeon and the SNP got there first
1) The lockdown measures have overwhelming public support
2) Almost nobody sees the lockdown measures as a party political issue (the only people who even see it as any kind of political issue are a few libertarian fanatics)
It won't influence votes whatsoever at a GE (other than those libertarian fanatics who are a tiny % of the population).
That'll be the Liverpool v Athletico Madrid effect finally rearing its head.
Was in town yesterday and met up with some totally non political people for first time since March.
They will simply ignore any new rules and will continue to live as normally as possible.
There is massive resentment amongst the normal people that they are about to be asked to restrict their lives again, yet the southerners are not.
I don't think the principle of the lockdown will cost votes.
I would not be surprised if there will be lots of angry people, even as polling shows people support measures even in their own areas when cases rise, as they have been. So inconsistent.
Honestly, what is supposed to happen? If people are against a national lockdown, you have regional ones, which inevitably mean some areas targeted ahead of others.
Awful behaviour
It won't be anything like that in autumn, winter. Going out will be miserable, there won't be quite the same sense of social camaraderie standing in the pouring rain waiting to get into supermarkets, people tired of video socialising long ago. It's just going to be grim. And plenty of potential for social unrest if policies are local and not national. Published figures don't tell the full story, but they are all that people see and they create resentment when they see some areas without restrictions whereas others do.
Boris puts forward a traffic light scheme for regulation of covid outbreaks to the HOC
The HOC will vent fury from some quarters and including conservative and labour mps
Labour will either vote for or abstain so the laws will come in from Wednesday
Liverpool go to tier 3 lockdown with mutual agreement with the Liverpool leaders and HMG
Manchester and other areas will have tier 2 lockdown but again the leaders will agree because compensation packages modelled on Liverpool will apply per tier lockdown
I may be wrong but I would be surprised if this is not near the position at the end of tomorrow
People just want an effective government, like in Germany, not to be locked down again.
Alas our incompetent government, full of southerners, is causing the north to have to lock down as they are utterly unable to replicate the relative success of countries like Germany.
1 We locked down because of high cases and irresponsibility in London.
2 We unlocked too early because of falling numbers of cases Down South before it was under control in the North.
3 We were exhorted to get out and about and in the office because of fears about the London property market.
4 Students arrived from middle class areas and spread the virus.
5 Now the North is being locked down because cases Down South have begun to rise.
Not sure of the 100% veracity of all that, but it is a view which is widely held.
Don't rely upon people changing their mind.
The irony is if we had regional unlockdowns in July we wouldn't be seeing today's problems.
Chances of rebellion, somehow, somewhere, in some form, must be quite high
We should have just been opening hospitality now.
This forum shows just how out of touch many southerners are in terms of how people in the north think and operate.
Won't just be Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving England at this rate, there is real anger out there at the southern government.