Boom. Looks like State Aid will be wrapped up in next week and then there'll be a political call on fish very late doors. We should be ok.
"One EU source said that Mr Barnier had told diplomats: “Maintaining the status quo in UK waters will not be feasible. So the most concerned member states will need to explore room to move towards the UK in terms of quota allocation; provided the UK meets the EU on governance and state aid.”
If Johnson falls for that he's become Boris In Name Only.
He won't, there was no 2019 Tory manifesto promise on state aid only on fishing
You're wrong. This is the promise:
"This future relationship will be one that allows us to:
Take back control of our laws.
Take back control of our money.
Control our own trade policy.
Introduce an Australian-style points based immigration system.
Raise standards in areas like workers’ rights, animal welfare, agriculture and the environment.
Ensure we are in full control of our fishing waters."
State aid is control of our laws and control of our money. Literally the first two things promised.
No it isn't, handing state bailouts to companies is not taking back control of our laws nor our money, it is intervention to distort the free market.
As I correctly said there was no manifesto promise specifically to reclaim control of state aid
I obviously have no idea what has been agreed, but if you don't have control over decisions about state aid then as Philip says you haven't got control over 'our' laws and 'our' money. It doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on re state aid.
Reducing ECJ jurisdiction over the UK and the supremacy of EU law over the UK and ending our annual payments to Brussels all are reclaiming control of our laws and money enough to satisfy that part of the manifesto, I repeat there was no specific promise in the winning 2019 Tory manifesto to regain control of state aid, only an obsession by Philip's hero Dominic Cummings.
HYUFD, quoting other areas where you have taken back control doesn't mitigate the situation if you don't have control over state aid. I have no idea if this is the case, but if it is then this is an area where you have not taken back control of your laws or your money. As I said it doesn't matter what side you are on, whether you are in favour or against state aid, if you don't have control over the decisions you do not have control of your laws or your money in this area.
If the Tory manifesto said you would then you have breached the manifesto. Simples.
Boom. Looks like State Aid will be wrapped up in next week and then there'll be a political call on fish very late doors. We should be ok.
"One EU source said that Mr Barnier had told diplomats: “Maintaining the status quo in UK waters will not be feasible. So the most concerned member states will need to explore room to move towards the UK in terms of quota allocation; provided the UK meets the EU on governance and state aid.”
If Johnson falls for that he's become Boris In Name Only.
He's not really got a choice, has he?
Boris may have said "I'm leaving home". He may have packed a suitcase, Maggie the teddy bear may be perched awkwardly on top. He may have blamed Dad for not treating him like an adult.
But he hasn't booked a taxi, because he doesn't really have anywhere to go, or the means to pay for it. And finding a place to stay, or a way to earn a living, wasn't really the plan.
So Boris stands awkwardly in the hallway. The silence is broken by the ticking of the grandfather clock.
I don't agree with the analysis but that is very well put.
No symptoms on the day of the test. It’s very unlikely that the percentage of infected who continue to remain asymptomatic is anywhere near that high.
We also know that the viral load is on average highest before symptoms develop, so it’s very likely that people are most infectious at this point.
The research underscores the absolute necessity of large scale testing of populations before they become symptomatic, if we are to have any chance of controlling the spread.
Which is what we ought to have planned for over the summer, and need to get sorted without delay.
“Though the modelled scenario may be unrealistic, it does illustrate the general principle that, of itself, lockdown solves an immediate crisis without providing a long-term solution.” I don’t think there is any controversy about this.
All lockdowns were ever supposed to do was bring a temporary respite from the spread of infection, and buy time to come up with solutions.
In some ways this has been a success - we have developed much better treatments, and are closer to having vaccines available - but in others (developing testing and track/trace/isolate strategies and capabilities), it has been at best a partial failure.
Yes, the first statement is straight from the journal of obvious findings.
The other claim, about lowering deaths overall rests on a number of assumptions - e.g. successful risk segmentation (which may or may not be really feasible) and also the lack of an effective vaccine in the relatively near future (again, of course, uncertain).
If there was no progress possible on treatment or detection/prevention then the first lockdown probably would have been fairly pointless - or at least the significant harms may have outweighed the benefits in the long term, but it looks at present as if that is probably not the case. If there is an effective vaccine within 6 months or so then the countries that did well with suppression will come out of all this better than the rest of us.
That quote from the tortoise article is precisely what he was like in London. One grandiose scheme after another, few of them ever implemented and the handful that did being obvious mistakes.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
It's hard to find much to object to in that, especially a big ad blitz by the NHS on what to do and not to do.
On inspectors though, see the reaction to covid marshalls? It'll be the same no doubt.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Sounds better than closing them down or putting them out of business for 3%. Gets my vote.
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
It's hard to find much to object to in that, especially a big ad blitz by the NHS on what to do and not to do.
On inspectors though, see the reaction to covid marshalls? It'll be the same no doubt.
You are probably right. But I think the principle of targeting venues, not people, is the correct one. People are more likely to support that.
We need to accept that people are still going to socialise in pubs and restaurants and gather in eachother's houses regardless of the rules, especially the longer this goes on.
Thus it needs to be hammered home about the importance of keeping the number of people to a minimum. The "rule of 6" was good in this regard.
Johnson is in real danger of going down in history as the PM who wiped out the British pub.
What an epitaph.
Wiping out Britain via Scottish independence might eclipse that one.
Only if Sturgeon wins a Holyrood majority next year, looking less likely after the past week's events and Boris then grants indyref2, which he has said he won't and Yes wins
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
The government seem quite happy to manage this by press release.
They are the ones who leaked "we might do it Monday"
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
No. There is little enough scrutiny of this government. We don’t need even less.
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
It goes to the stupidity of continued government approach of signalling to the media a week before when they will actually enact new measures, leaving 4-5 for the media to fill the vacuum.
Boom. Looks like State Aid will be wrapped up in next week and then there'll be a political call on fish very late doors. We should be ok.
"One EU source said that Mr Barnier had told diplomats: “Maintaining the status quo in UK waters will not be feasible. So the most concerned member states will need to explore room to move towards the UK in terms of quota allocation; provided the UK meets the EU on governance and state aid.”
If Johnson falls for that he's become Boris In Name Only.
He won't, there was no 2019 Tory manifesto promise on state aid only on fishing
You're wrong. This is the promise:
"This future relationship will be one that allows us to:
Take back control of our laws.
Take back control of our money.
Control our own trade policy.
Introduce an Australian-style points based immigration system.
Raise standards in areas like workers’ rights, animal welfare, agriculture and the environment.
Ensure we are in full control of our fishing waters."
State aid is control of our laws and control of our money. Literally the first two things promised.
No it isn't, handing state bailouts to companies is not taking back control of our laws nor our money, it is intervention to distort the free market.
As I correctly said there was no manifesto promise specifically to reclaim control of state aid
I obviously have no idea what has been agreed, but if you don't have control over decisions about state aid then as Philip says you haven't got control over 'our' laws and 'our' money. It doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on re state aid.
Reducing ECJ jurisdiction over the UK and the supremacy of EU law over the UK and ending our annual payments to Brussels all are reclaiming control of our laws and money enough to satisfy that part of the manifesto, I repeat there was no specific promise in the winning 2019 Tory manifesto to regain control of state aid, only an obsession by Philip's hero Dominic Cummings.
HYUFD, quoting other areas where you have taken back control doesn't mitigate the situation if you don't have control over state aid. I have no idea if this is the case, but if it is then this is an area where you have not taken back control of your laws or your money. As I said it doesn't matter what side you are on, whether you are in favour or against state aid, if you don't have control over the decisions you do not have control of your laws or your money in this area.
If the Tory manifesto said you would then you have breached the manifesto. Simples.
No, I am a Tory activist not you and also more so than Philip who voted Labour in 2001 and Brexit Party in 2019 at the Euros when I voted Tory in all those elections so I will also take no lectures from him on what Tory policy is.
I know what was in the winning 2019 Tory manifesto, there was no specific promise to regain control of state aid, zero, nada, only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters.
Brexit by itself now having being delivered reduces EU law over the UK and also our annual subsidies to Brussels which covers those points.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Nice in theory but how do you define 'breaking the rules'.
If a group mingles with another group without any involvement by the staff (who may not even see it) then should the venue be fined?
Boom. Looks like State Aid will be wrapped up in next week and then there'll be a political call on fish very late doors. We should be ok.
"One EU source said that Mr Barnier had told diplomats: “Maintaining the status quo in UK waters will not be feasible. So the most concerned member states will need to explore room to move towards the UK in terms of quota allocation; provided the UK meets the EU on governance and state aid.”
If Johnson falls for that he's become Boris In Name Only.
He won't, there was no 2019 Tory manifesto promise on state aid only on fishing
You're wrong. This is the promise:
"This future relationship will be one that allows us to:
Take back control of our laws.
Take back control of our money.
Control our own trade policy.
Introduce an Australian-style points based immigration system.
Raise standards in areas like workers’ rights, animal welfare, agriculture and the environment.
Ensure we are in full control of our fishing waters."
State aid is control of our laws and control of our money. Literally the first two things promised.
No it isn't, handing state bailouts to companies is not taking back control of our laws nor our money, it is intervention to distort the free market.
As I correctly said there was no manifesto promise specifically to reclaim control of state aid
I obviously have no idea what has been agreed, but if you don't have control over decisions about state aid then as Philip says you haven't got control over 'our' laws and 'our' money. It doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on re state aid.
Reducing ECJ jurisdiction over the UK and the supremacy of EU law over the UK and ending our annual payments to Brussels all are reclaiming control of our laws and money enough to satisfy that part of the manifesto, I repeat there was no specific promise in the winning 2019 Tory manifesto to regain control of state aid, only an obsession by Philip's hero Dominic Cummings.
HYUFD, quoting other areas where you have taken back control doesn't mitigate the situation if you don't have control over state aid. I have no idea if this is the case, but if it is then this is an area where you have not taken back control of your laws or your money. As I said it doesn't matter what side you are on, whether you are in favour or against state aid, if you don't have control over the decisions you do not have control of your laws or your money in this area.
If the Tory manifesto said you would then you have breached the manifesto. Simples.
No, I am a Tory activist not you and also more so than Philip who voted Labour in 2001 and Brexit Party in 2019 at the Euros when I voted Tory in all those elections so I will also take no lectures from him on what Tory policy is.
I know what was in the Tory manifesto, there was no specific promise to regain control of state aid, zero, nada, only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters.
Brexit by itself now having being delivered reduces EU law over the UK and also our annual subsidies to Brussels which covers that point.
End of conversation
I'm unsure why you think that having undying loyalty to the "Conservative Party" is a good thing?
Boom. Looks like State Aid will be wrapped up in next week and then there'll be a political call on fish very late doors. We should be ok.
"One EU source said that Mr Barnier had told diplomats: “Maintaining the status quo in UK waters will not be feasible. So the most concerned member states will need to explore room to move towards the UK in terms of quota allocation; provided the UK meets the EU on governance and state aid.”
If Johnson falls for that he's become Boris In Name Only.
He won't, there was no 2019 Tory manifesto promise on state aid only on fishing
You're wrong. This is the promise:
"This future relationship will be one that allows us to:
Take back control of our laws.
Take back control of our money.
Control our own trade policy.
Introduce an Australian-style points based immigration system.
Raise standards in areas like workers’ rights, animal welfare, agriculture and the environment.
Ensure we are in full control of our fishing waters."
State aid is control of our laws and control of our money. Literally the first two things promised.
No it isn't, handing state bailouts to companies is not taking back control of our laws nor our money, it is intervention to distort the free market.
As I correctly said there was no manifesto promise specifically to reclaim control of state aid
I obviously have no idea what has been agreed, but if you don't have control over decisions about state aid then as Philip says you haven't got control over 'our' laws and 'our' money. It doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on re state aid.
Reducing ECJ jurisdiction over the UK and the supremacy of EU law over the UK and ending our annual payments to Brussels all are reclaiming control of our laws and money enough to satisfy that part of the manifesto, I repeat there was no specific promise in the winning 2019 Tory manifesto to regain control of state aid, only an obsession by Philip's hero Dominic Cummings.
HYUFD, quoting other areas where you have taken back control doesn't mitigate the situation if you don't have control over state aid. I have no idea if this is the case, but if it is then this is an area where you have not taken back control of your laws or your money. As I said it doesn't matter what side you are on, whether you are in favour or against state aid, if you don't have control over the decisions you do not have control of your laws or your money in this area.
If the Tory manifesto said you would then you have breached the manifesto. Simples.
No, I am a Tory activist not you and also more so than Philip who voted Labour in 2001 and Brexit Party in 2019 at the Euros when I voted Tory in all those elections so I will also take no lectures from him on what Tory policy is.
I know what was in the Tory manifesto, there was no specific promise to regain control of state aid, zero, nada, only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters.
Brexit by itself now having being delivered reduces EU law over the UK and also our annual subsidies to Brussels which covers that point.
End of conversation
You can be as arrogant as you want but the fact you still claim the Tory manifesto promised "only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters" is 100% wrong. It promised:
Take back control of our laws.
Take back control of our money.
If the LPF commitments mean we don't control our laws and money that is a violation.
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
No. There is little enough scrutiny of this government. We don’t need even less.
What do you think think is gained by releasing these plans early, apart from to encourage people to do things in the last minute and to meet as many people as possible? I can see literally no benefit to the public by leaking them early.
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
Nottingham town centre is going to be even more of an enormous binge piss-up this weekend then.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Nice in theory but how do you define 'breaking the rules'.
If a group mingles with another group without any involvement by the staff (who may not even see it) then should the venue be fined?
No - I was thinking more about setup and occupancy. For example if they try to cram too many tables into a small space. The government should perhaps define (if they haven't already) a standard number of people per square metre. Any venue breaching that could be fined or closed down (with employees wages protected perhaps for a certain amount of time to encourage whistleblowing).
Also things like mask usage amongst employees.
Perhaps subsidise heavily the installation or upgrading of ventilation systems.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Why corporation tax ? - it has no impact on "viability" - you only pay it if profitable. Employers' NI is the "tax on jobs" and should go.
FT is right, Cummings identifies problems that are valid but his solutions come across like he read a book on the concept and now has a degree in the area.
Take his discussions on AI for a start, it was a load of waffle
That quote from the tortoise article is precisely what he was like in London. One grandiose scheme after another, few of them ever implemented and the handful that did being obvious mistakes.
One of the best things that Sadiq Khan has done as Mayor of London was to cancel the garden bridge project.
Is there much else to be said for the last two Mayors?
Poltically this approach by the government of pre-leaking rough outlines of new measures allows the media to speculate and them pkus Labour to scream no clarity, too confusing, and also it does add confusion because people listen to the media for 4-5 days hyperventilating about possibly this measure or that measure and they take it that is the new rules, then when announced there are differences, everybody screaming CONFUSED DDDD...
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Why corporation tax ? - it has no impact on "viability" - you only pay it if profitable. Employers' NI is the "tax on jobs" and should go.
Because without corporation tax there's more to go to investors in dividends. Thus shareholders and/or directors are more likely to keep a business going, no?
What's the public interest in leaking them/publishing them before hand? Government should look at d notices, or their health equivalent, on this topic.
Nottingham town centre is going to be even more of an enormous binge piss-up this weekend then.
It is utter bonkers that the government keep doing this, giving people one more weekend, then shocked when the plebs go wild.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator has signalled that Boris Johnson is ready to make key concessions and that a trade deal is “eminently achievable”.
Lord Frost told peers and MPs that No 10 was prepared to discuss commitments on subsidy policy that go beyond conventional trade agreements.
So basically, the No Deal threat has been called and the EU didn't fold. I am shocked that the UK in fact doesn't hold all the cards
At the same time, the EU is going to have to concede somewhat on fisheries. That's negotiating. Best result is everyone wins, but no-one gets everything they want.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
A two week circuit break will do the square root of sod all.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
How much of that support is in the South?
It's not hard to support something that does not affect you.
Cummings seems desperate to spit in the face of Middle England.
At some point politicians who actually face the electorate are going to have to get rid of him.
Does BoZo sacrifice Cummings to keep his job (that he can't do without him), or does Gove sacrifice BoZo to keep Cummings?
How about the Tory Party sacrifice all 3 of them?
Who knows, we might even get an actual conservative party then.
There are a few more Bluekippers that need removal. With a majority of 80, there is a lot of scope for simply expelling the most extreme nutters and taking a chance in a byelection. There are 30 or 40 the Party would be a lot better off without.
Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator has signalled that Boris Johnson is ready to make key concessions and that a trade deal is “eminently achievable”.
Lord Frost told peers and MPs that No 10 was prepared to discuss commitments on subsidy policy that go beyond conventional trade agreements.
So basically, the No Deal threat has been called and the EU didn't fold. I am shocked that the UK in fact doesn't hold all the cards
At the same time, the EU is going to have to concede somewhat on fisheries. That's negotiating. Best result is everyone wins, but no-one gets everything they want.
Fishing was always a nothing argument from day one, why does it get so much attention despite being irrelevant to the UK?
Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator has signalled that Boris Johnson is ready to make key concessions and that a trade deal is “eminently achievable”.
Lord Frost told peers and MPs that No 10 was prepared to discuss commitments on subsidy policy that go beyond conventional trade agreements.
So basically, the No Deal threat has been called and the EU didn't fold. I am shocked that the UK in fact doesn't hold all the cards
At the same time, the EU is going to have to concede somewhat on fisheries. That's negotiating. Best result is everyone wins, but no-one gets everything they want.
Fishing was always a nothing argument from day one, why does it get so much attention despite being irrelevant to the UK?
Because it is not irrelevant. It is a sovereign natural resource that matters greatly to coastal communities - in case you haven't noticed our island nation has quite a few of them.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
How much of that support is in the South?
It's not hard to support something that does not affect you.
Er, the polling as reported refers to a national lockdown, so it would affect southerners just the same.
Cummings seems desperate to spit in the face of Middle England.
At some point politicians who actually face the electorate are going to have to get rid of him.
Does BoZo sacrifice Cummings to keep his job (that he can't do without him), or does Gove sacrifice BoZo to keep Cummings?
How about the Tory Party sacrifice all 3 of them?
Who knows, we might even get an actual conservative party then.
There are a few more Bluekippers that need removal. With a majority of 80, there is a lot of scope for simply expelling the most extreme nutters and taking a chance in a byelection. There are 30 or 40 the Party would be a lot better off without.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Sounds better than closing them down or putting them out of business for 3%. Gets my vote.
3% seems very low. See Figure 12 here which puts 'hospitality' as the 2nd or 3rd greatest factor (not just pubs, I assume). And once you have told people again to people behave in terms of meeting at home, it's the largest single target (other than transmission within the family, which you can't control short of breaking up families).
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
How much of that support is in the South?
It's not hard to support something that does not affect you.
Er, the polling as reported refers to a national lockdown, so it would affect southerners just the same.
I personally think the Government should invest in a huge public safety campaign about limiting social contacts, social distancing, hygiene etc. Billboards, internet, TV, radio. Even on the BBC.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
Why corporation tax ? - it has no impact on "viability" - you only pay it if profitable. Employers' NI is the "tax on jobs" and should go.
Because without corporation tax there's more to go to investors in dividends. Thus shareholders and/or directors are more likely to keep a business going, no?
Cutting taxes encourages investment and a better economy?
Wow, you said something I agree wholeheartedly with you on.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
A two week circuit break will do the square root of sod all.
The circuit break as a stated policy is bull. You go into restrictions on the situation at the time, you come out of restrictions on the situation at the time.
By the time you've had the big wahay because you've left going into restrictions over a weekend, and then had a big wahay when you come out, you have got precisely nowhere.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
Would be interesting to see the regional breakdown, since this is an overwhelmingly regional outbreak (for now). Edit. See Gallowgate has covered that. Would be interesting none the less.
Cummings seems desperate to spit in the face of Middle England.
At some point politicians who actually face the electorate are going to have to get rid of him.
Does BoZo sacrifice Cummings to keep his job (that he can't do without him), or does Gove sacrifice BoZo to keep Cummings?
How about the Tory Party sacrifice all 3 of them?
Who knows, we might even get an actual conservative party then.
There are a few more Bluekippers that need removal. With a majority of 80, there is a lot of scope for simply expelling the most extreme nutters and taking a chance in a byelection. There are 30 or 40 the Party would be a lot better off without.
Is Johnson going to expel himself in that case?
He will be the first against the blue wall when the conservative revolution comes
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
How much of that support is in the South?
It's not hard to support something that does not affect you.
Er, the polling as reported refers to a national lockdown, so it would affect southerners just the same.
My bad.
Would be insane to lockdown areas not seriously affected.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
A two week circuit break will do the square root of sod all.
The circuit break as a stated policy is bull. You go into restrictions on the situation at the time, you come out of restrictions on the situation at the time.
By the time you've had the big wahay because you've left going into restrictions over a weekend, and then had a big wahay when you come out, you have got precisely nowhere.
Yet the idea rarely gets much criticism e.g. Scottish announcement focus is all on what about pubs, what about 6pm vs 10pm, wheb fundamentally the problem is 16 days does very little in the grand scheme of things. It like sticking your finger in the hole in the dam.
Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator has signalled that Boris Johnson is ready to make key concessions and that a trade deal is “eminently achievable”.
Lord Frost told peers and MPs that No 10 was prepared to discuss commitments on subsidy policy that go beyond conventional trade agreements.
So basically, the No Deal threat has been called and the EU didn't fold. I am shocked that the UK in fact doesn't hold all the cards
At the same time, the EU is going to have to concede somewhat on fisheries. That's negotiating. Best result is everyone wins, but no-one gets everything they want.
Fishing was always a nothing argument from day one, why does it get so much attention despite being irrelevant to the UK?
Because it is not irrelevant. It is a sovereign natural resource that matters greatly to coastal communities - in case you haven't noticed our island nation has quite a few of them.
In economic terms it is close to irrelevant, and to make all other considerations subservient to it (as manifesto obsessed HYUFD demonstrates for us), is absurd.
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
How much of that support is in the South?
It's not hard to support something that does not affect you.
Er, the polling as reported refers to a national lockdown, so it would affect southerners just the same.
My bad.
Would be insane to lockdown areas not seriously affected.
Cummings seems desperate to spit in the face of Middle England.
At some point politicians who actually face the electorate are going to have to get rid of him.
Does BoZo sacrifice Cummings to keep his job (that he can't do without him), or does Gove sacrifice BoZo to keep Cummings?
How about the Tory Party sacrifice all 3 of them?
Who knows, we might even get an actual conservative party then.
There are a few more Bluekippers that need removal. With a majority of 80, there is a lot of scope for simply expelling the most extreme nutters and taking a chance in a byelection. There are 30 or 40 the Party would be a lot better off without.
Is Johnson going to expel himself in that case?
Whoever "off topic"ed me for this post. You're welcome!
... at the time they were tested. Therefore including pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic in their number.
We know that pre-symptomatic spread is a key driver of this (and one of the things that meant that spread of Covid (SARS-CoV-2) is so much easier and further than SARS (SARS-CoV-1) - thank God SARS didn't have such a presymptomatic spread period).
I was banging on nearly three weeks ago about the rule that tests should be focused on symptomatic people only being stupid and counter-productive (if they've got symptoms, they should be self-isolating anyway, and even a negative test doesn't absolve them of that as it could be a false negative). Catching the pre-symptomatic before they spread it further is crucial.
There is a danger of over reacting, we have lived with minimal restrictions for about three months now with the infections trend slowly moving down with no pressure on ICU
Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator has signalled that Boris Johnson is ready to make key concessions and that a trade deal is “eminently achievable”.
Lord Frost told peers and MPs that No 10 was prepared to discuss commitments on subsidy policy that go beyond conventional trade agreements.
So basically, the No Deal threat has been called and the EU didn't fold. I am shocked that the UK in fact doesn't hold all the cards
At the same time, the EU is going to have to concede somewhat on fisheries. That's negotiating. Best result is everyone wins, but no-one gets everything they want.
Fishing was always a nothing argument from day one, why does it get so much attention despite being irrelevant to the UK?
Because it is not irrelevant. It is a sovereign natural resource that matters greatly to coastal communities - in case you haven't noticed our island nation has quite a few of them.
In economic terms it is close to irrelevant, and to make all other considerations subservient to it (as manifesto obsessed HYUFD demonstrates for us), is absurd.
If it is so irrelevant then why shouldn't the EU concede?
A country's natural resources absolutely do matter and this is a British natural resource. People make out like the UK is lacking in natural resources, but then for some bizarre reason think the UK should throw away one of our major natural resources. Why is that?
You think some of the key swing states would vote for a gay presidential candidate ?
The elephant in the room that most commentators didn’t want to talk about during the primaries. He’d make a great member of Biden’s administration but his sexuality would be an issue for some people as a candidate . Personally I could care less , if you’re good enough that should be enough but I really don’t think the USA is liberal enough to accept a gay President yet.
No symptoms on the day of the test. It’s very unlikely that the percentage of infected who continue to remain asymptomatic is anywhere near that high.
We also know that the viral load is on average highest before symptoms develop, so it’s very likely that people are most infectious at this point.
The research underscores the absolute necessity of large scale testing of populations before they become symptomatic, if we are to have any chance of controlling the spread.
Which is what we ought to have planned for over the summer, and need to get sorted without delay.
Sorry yes - should have added on day of test.
No problem. What's troubling is just how long it's taken for hard numbers to emerge (and note the very small dataset of infected individuals in this survey, though granted the paper is a month old, and relates to testing up to June).
I'm not sure we yet have very accurate figures for the overall percentage of infected individuals who remain asymptomatic ?
You think some of the key swing states would vote for a gay presidential candidate ?
The elephant in the room that most commentators didn’t want to talk about during the primaries. He’d make a great member of Biden’s administration but his sexuality would be an issue for some people as a candidate . Personally I could care less , if you’re good enough that should be enough but I really don’t think the USA is liberal enough to accept a gay President yet.
He'll be a fine member of Biden's cabinet with a bit of luck.
There is a phrase "the only moral abortion is my abortion"
There are countless stories of anti-abortion activists getting abortions for he selves or their teenage daughters and then going straight back to abortion clinic picket lines. Their 'morality' is entirely vacuous and self serving.
This news will make not a dent in Trump's evangelical vote.
The swedish fatality rate per capita is not so far behind the high fatality rate of the UK. Given that Sweden is so much more sparsely populated than the UK, that is a disgrace.
I can see now Trump having his sound cut because he keeps interrupting and then him raging that biased deep state fake news media trying to stop him being relected.
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If the Tory manifesto said you would then you have breached the manifesto. Simples.
Why would Johnson concede anything when we hold all the cards? Right? Right?
What an epitaph.
Lord Frost told peers and MPs that No 10 was prepared to discuss commitments on subsidy policy that go beyond conventional trade agreements.
So basically, the No Deal threat has been called and the EU didn't fold. I am shocked that the UK in fact doesn't hold all the cards
The other claim, about lowering deaths overall rests on a number of assumptions - e.g. successful risk segmentation (which may or may not be really feasible) and also the lack of an effective vaccine in the relatively near future (again, of course, uncertain).
If there was no progress possible on treatment or detection/prevention then the first lockdown probably would have been fairly pointless - or at least the significant harms may have outweighed the benefits in the long term, but it looks at present as if that is probably not the case. If there is an effective vaccine within 6 months or so then the countries that did well with suppression will come out of all this better than the rest of us.
Half of the 51% will change their minds once their candidate wins.
Slash corporation tax, VAT, alcohol duty, and employers NI to 0 for hospitality.
Make their businesses viable even with much reduced numbers.
Invest in many more Health and Safety inspectors to inspect VENUES not people. Huge sanctions for businesses who break the rules including directors themselves. Incentivise people to whistleblow on venues. Protect employees at these venues from retribution.
Thoughts?
He's still on course to kill the Union as well, although Nippy may yet come to his rescue
On inspectors though, see the reaction to covid marshalls? It'll be the same no doubt.
Shine is coming off Rishi as well
We need to accept that people are still going to socialise in pubs and restaurants and gather in eachother's houses regardless of the rules, especially the longer this goes on.
Thus it needs to be hammered home about the importance of keeping the number of people to a minimum. The "rule of 6" was good in this regard.
That is much more sustainable I think.
They are the ones who leaked "we might do it Monday"
Communist
I know what was in the winning 2019 Tory manifesto, there was no specific promise to regain control of state aid, zero, nada, only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters.
Brexit by itself now having being delivered reduces EU law over the UK and also our annual subsidies to Brussels which covers those points.
End of conversation
If a group mingles with another group without any involvement by the staff (who may not even see it) then should the venue be fined?
- Take back control of our laws.
- Take back control of our money.
If the LPF commitments mean we don't control our laws and money that is a violation.End of conversation.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1314159957475024897
Also things like mask usage amongst employees.
Perhaps subsidise heavily the installation or upgrading of ventilation systems.
Employers' NI is the "tax on jobs" and should go.
Take his discussions on AI for a start, it was a load of waffle
Is there much else to be said for the last two Mayors?
Strongly Support: 33%
Support: 30%
Oppose: 7%
Strongly Oppose: 6%
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8818945/Two-thirds-public-Scottish-style-circuit-breaker-lockdown.html
'Nearly two-thirds of the public would back a Scottish-style 'circuit breaker' lockdown as Boris Johnson prepares to shut pubs and restaurants in the North.'
'An exclusive poll for MailOnline has found strong support for a 'short sharp shock' of tough restrictions across the country in a bid to break transmission chains.'
Keeping the pubs open at all costs is simply not the hill most people want to die on.
It's not hard to support something that does not affect you.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1314117504688627712
Not scared to fail, over, and over, and over again...
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/10/coronavirus-covid-19-evidence-paper---october-2020/documents/coronavirus-covid-19-evidence-paper-october-2020/coronavirus-covid-19-evidence-paper-october-2020/govscot:document/Coronavirus+COVID-19%29+-+evidence+paper+-+7October+2020.pdf
Wow, you said something I agree wholeheartedly with you on.
By the time you've had the big wahay because you've left going into restrictions over a weekend, and then had a big wahay when you come out, you have got precisely nowhere.
Edit. See Gallowgate has covered that. Would be interesting none the less.
Get a death rate 12 times as high as Norway.
(Why are we still on this Sweden fetish?)
Therefore including pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic in their number.
We know that pre-symptomatic spread is a key driver of this (and one of the things that meant that spread of Covid (SARS-CoV-2) is so much easier and further than SARS (SARS-CoV-1) - thank God SARS didn't have such a presymptomatic spread period).
I was banging on nearly three weeks ago about the rule that tests should be focused on symptomatic people only being stupid and counter-productive (if they've got symptoms, they should be self-isolating anyway, and even a negative test doesn't absolve them of that as it could be a false negative). Catching the pre-symptomatic before they spread it further is crucial.
COMUNIDAD VALENCIANA
Casos Totales:43.938
Nuevos Casos: 380 Diagnosticados últimas 24 horas: 106 Incidencia Acumulada (IA): 100,42
Fallecidos:1.634
Incremento:11 Fallecidos últimos 7 días: 19
Presión hospitalaria:
Hospitalizados:
4,35%
Pacientes494
UCI:
6,85%
Pacientes69
PCR última semana: 50.775
PCR/100.000 hab: 1.014,74 Positividad: 7%
I think Valencia has a population of about 4m
A country's natural resources absolutely do matter and this is a British natural resource. People make out like the UK is lacking in natural resources, but then for some bizarre reason think the UK should throw away one of our major natural resources. Why is that?
The elephant in the room that most commentators didn’t want to talk about during the primaries. He’d make a great member of Biden’s administration but his sexuality would be an issue for some people as a candidate . Personally I could care less , if you’re good enough that should be enough but I really don’t think the USA is liberal enough to accept a gay President yet.
What's troubling is just how long it's taken for hard numbers to emerge (and note the very small dataset of infected individuals in this survey, though granted the paper is a month old, and relates to testing up to June).
I'm not sure we yet have very accurate figures for the overall percentage of infected individuals who remain asymptomatic ?
There are countless stories of anti-abortion activists getting abortions for he selves or their teenage daughters and then going straight back to abortion clinic picket lines. Their 'morality' is entirely vacuous and self serving.
This news will make not a dent in Trump's evangelical vote.