They will not be able to force anyone to do anything. "They won't have the power to take enforcement action. If there are particularly egregious examples, they would need to escalate that to the police."
They can inform the police on those not wearing facemasks, not social distancing etc so the police can then fine them.
The police cannot be everywhere at once
Here we go again.The police cannot enforce laws which don’t exist and there are no laws requiring you to be 2 metres away from anyone else. Guidelines are not laws and you cannot be fined for ignoring them. Nor do the police (let alone Covid Marshalls) have the right to go into your home to see how many people are there with you.
The Metropolitan Police are, once again, misleading Londoners about the law. I know we have a government which has a disregard for the law but we do not - yet - live in a lawless society where the police can just do what the hell they like.
Government Regulations came into force in late September actually giving the police the legal power to impose fines for failing to quarantine, wear facemasks where required to or breaching the rule of 6
Read my email. There are no laws requiring you to be 2 metres apart or to wash your hands and yet the Metropolitan Police are misleading the public by claiming that there are and that they will “enforce” such laws. Nor do they have the power to enter someone’s home to enforce the Rule of 6.
The police can fine you for being in a group of more than 6 outside and if you are holding a house party inside can fine you for that too, the police can also fine you for not wearing a facemask on public transport, in shops, in cinemas, takeaways etc.
Whether the hospitals are 'whelmed' or not an elevated number of cases is going to have an effect.
From the same feed:
"16:58 French health authorities have reported 18,129 new Covid-19 infections, with the daily tally staying above 18,000 for the second day running after Wednesday’s all-time high of 18,746.
The figures were published shortly before health minister Olivier Véran holds a news conference, scheduled for 4pm (GMT), during which he is likely to announce new restrictions to contain the disease."
and
"The French cities of Lyon, Lille, Grenoble and Saint-Etienne will go on maximum coronavirus alert level from Saturday, French health minister Olivier Véran said.
Paris and Marseille were put on maximum alert earlier, which led to the closure of bars in those cities.
Véran said the situation in Toulouse and Montpellier was also worrying and they could also be moved to the maximum Covid-19 alert level from early next week."
France is going into a second national lockdown, only they are doing it "regionally"
Yes, and we are about three weeks behind them (although our cases are rising faster than theirs did at this stage).
Yes, northern English cities will be locked down next week, and London and other cities are likely to follow a week later, to coincide with half term. When the restrictions will be lifted, God only knows. They will tell us it is just for two weeks, as a "circuit breaker", but they will be lying.
I wonder how much of that might be due to Mayor Pete and the way he raised the Democrat profile in the state? As did Beto in Texas, of course.
Well the Democrats' most significant political mistake over the last decade was not putting enough effort into state politics, and they have begun to correct that.
That is a classic "tell" of right wing nutterdom calling a centrist social democrat a commie. You hear that, you know you need to change the subject to the weather and then make tracks.
Rather like when Corbynistas accuse people on their own side of being "Tories" or anyone of a slightly right of centre view of being "fascist". It is the ludicrous hyperbole of the political extremes. It demonstrates rank stupidity, but then we should expect it of Trump.
It perhaps demonstrates that 'socialist' is not packing quite the punch as a pejorative label as it used to either?
Whether the hospitals are 'whelmed' or not an elevated number of cases is going to have an effect.
From the same feed:
"16:58 French health authorities have reported 18,129 new Covid-19 infections, with the daily tally staying above 18,000 for the second day running after Wednesday’s all-time high of 18,746.
The figures were published shortly before health minister Olivier Véran holds a news conference, scheduled for 4pm (GMT), during which he is likely to announce new restrictions to contain the disease."
and
"The French cities of Lyon, Lille, Grenoble and Saint-Etienne will go on maximum coronavirus alert level from Saturday, French health minister Olivier Véran said.
Paris and Marseille were put on maximum alert earlier, which led to the closure of bars in those cities.
Véran said the situation in Toulouse and Montpellier was also worrying and they could also be moved to the maximum Covid-19 alert level from early next week."
France is going into a second national lockdown, only they are doing it "regionally"
Yes, and we are about three weeks behind them (although our cases are rising faster than theirs did at this stage).
So in three weeks time we will have 80 deaths a day. Maybe.
These lockdowns are not working. Hammering the healthy to try to protect the very ill and very old is a giant disaster.
Both Sky, BBC and The Piers Moron Show are guilty of this, increasingly they invite people on with very extreme views and then claim balance. So you get the Churchill was nothing but a racist vs Churchill never did a single thing wrong shout-athon.
We are seeing it now with COVID, we have the lockdown absolutists vs the likes of Gupta or Sikora getting an incredible amount of airtime.
Yes. It means the boring problems in the middle - of making sure that people isolate when asked to do so, even if they don't have symptoms - are not receiving the attention that they need.
It's incredibly frustrating that Gupta is still being treated as someone with any credibility when the predictions she made during the first wave have been so comprehensively contradicted by subsequent events.
But the need for a fake balance comes before everything.
Yes, it's fake balance but also because the media always look for the splashier story. A moderate opinion is seen as intrinsically less interesting. A lot of media analysis becomes clearer if one thinks of the media as primarily a branch of the entertainment industry.
Well, maybe, but why is that so?
It seems to come back to Rory Stewart's observation of a lack of seriousness. All the quibbling over minutiae during the Covid crisis is another sign.
If we can't be a bit serious a bit of the time about politics and our governance, then that's it for democracy.
I miss Rory. We need people like him in Parliament.
Old Etonians? Oxford PPE graduates? Spies?
While it should not be the case that people who are Etonians with their natural sense of superiority are promoted to positions of responsibility when they have little else to offer (yes I am referring to Johnson), it would be equally ridiculous if we ignored people who are genuinely good who went there. IMO Rory Stewart is genuinely one of the latter variety. Your post smacks of silly small minded inverted snobbery.
The problem is, how do you determine who the genuinely good people are?
Presumably just running a few days ahead? It's definitely not far off the top rung of poor performers along with us and Spain though. And all without Boris and Dido.
Can we export them both to France and see whether they make it worse or better? My bet might be on the former
No takers I imagine. But the point is people like them are clearly not the only problem.
No, but they do a damn good job at exacerbating said problem. France has its own issues I am sure, but pointing to their incompetence does not let our so-called leader, and for that matter our much loved institutions (yep, the NHS), off the hook.
They will not be able to force anyone to do anything. "They won't have the power to take enforcement action. If there are particularly egregious examples, they would need to escalate that to the police."
They can inform the police on those not wearing facemasks, not social distancing etc so the police can then fine them.
The police cannot be everywhere at once
Here we go again.The police cannot enforce laws which don’t exist and there are no laws requiring you to be 2 metres away from anyone else. Guidelines are not laws and you cannot be fined for ignoring them. Nor do the police (let alone Covid Marshalls) have the right to go into your home to see how many people are there with you.
The Metropolitan Police are, once again, misleading Londoners about the law. I know we have a government which has a disregard for the law but we do not - yet - live in a lawless society where the police can just do what the hell they like.
Government Regulations came into force in late September actually giving the police the legal power to impose fines for failing to quarantine, wear facemasks where required to or breaching the rule of 6
Read my email. There are no laws requiring you to be 2 metres apart or to wash your hands and yet the Metropolitan Police are misleading the public by claiming that there are and that they will “enforce” such laws. Nor do they have the power to enter someone’s home to enforce the Rule of 6.
I quite like the Metropolitan Police. If they say something then mostly that's fine for me, at least in the short term.
Trying to be picky about whether the police have got it quite right strikes me as unpleasant, and not the mindset of a law-abiding person.
As a law-abiding person I expect the police, above all, to abide by the law. For them to misrepresent what the law is and threaten the public with non-existent laws are very unpleasant actions indeed.
Or do I have to remind you of this - https://barry-walsh.co.uk/lockdown-blues/ - when a policeman threatened a member of the public with making up evidence to get this own way.
Both Sky, BBC and The Piers Moron Show are guilty of this, increasingly they invite people on with very extreme views and then claim balance. So you get the Churchill was nothing but a racist vs Churchill never did a single thing wrong shout-athon.
We are seeing it now with COVID, we have the lockdown absolutists vs the likes of Gupta or Sikora getting an incredible amount of airtime.
Yes. It means the boring problems in the middle - of making sure that people isolate when asked to do so, even if they don't have symptoms - are not receiving the attention that they need.
It's incredibly frustrating that Gupta is still being treated as someone with any credibility when the predictions she made during the first wave have been so comprehensively contradicted by subsequent events.
But the need for a fake balance comes before everything.
Yes, it's fake balance but also because the media always look for the splashier story. A moderate opinion is seen as intrinsically less interesting. A lot of media analysis becomes clearer if one thinks of the media as primarily a branch of the entertainment industry.
Well, maybe, but why is that so?
It seems to come back to Rory Stewart's observation of a lack of seriousness. All the quibbling over minutiae during the Covid crisis is another sign.
If we can't be a bit serious a bit of the time about politics and our governance, then that's it for democracy.
I miss Rory. We need people like him in Parliament.
Old Etonians? Oxford PPE graduates? Spies?
While it should not be the case that people who are Etonians with their natural sense of superiority are promoted to positions of responsibility when they have little else to offer (yes I am referring to Johnson), it would be equally ridiculous if we ignored people who are genuinely good who went there. IMO Rory Stewart is genuinely one of the latter variety. Your post smacks of silly small minded inverted snobbery.
The problem is, how do you determine who the genuinely good people are?
In short, look for genuine leadership skills. Sadly our democratic system seems to have comprehensively failed us in this regard in the last 4 or 5 years. Boris Johnson has next to none, Jeremy Corbyn minus points.
They will not be able to force anyone to do anything. "They won't have the power to take enforcement action. If there are particularly egregious examples, they would need to escalate that to the police."
They can inform the police on those not wearing facemasks, not social distancing etc so the police can then fine them.
The police cannot be everywhere at once
Here we go again.The police cannot enforce laws which don’t exist and there are no laws requiring you to be 2 metres away from anyone else. Guidelines are not laws and you cannot be fined for ignoring them. Nor do the police (let alone Covid Marshalls) have the right to go into your home to see how many people are there with you.
The Metropolitan Police are, once again, misleading Londoners about the law. I know we have a government which has a disregard for the law but we do not - yet - live in a lawless society where the police can just do what the hell they like.
Government Regulations came into force in late September actually giving the police the legal power to impose fines for failing to quarantine, wear facemasks where required to or breaching the rule of 6
Read my email. There are no laws requiring you to be 2 metres apart or to wash your hands and yet the Metropolitan Police are misleading the public by claiming that there are and that they will “enforce” such laws. Nor do they have the power to enter someone’s home to enforce the Rule of 6.
The police can fine you for being in a group of more than 6 outside and if you are holding a house party inside can fine you for that too, the police can also fine you for not wearing a facemask on public transport, in shops, in cinemas, takeaways etc.
Those polls are where I expect public opinion is, but to be fair they are a bit dated in this fast moving crisis and I look forward to more polling when the new regulations are announced
Landlady in Scotland suggests the SNP stands for 'sorry no pubs'
Good, should hit the SNP vote at Holyrood next year
But if the UK Tories are seen to have done at least as bad a job (and as Boris is less popular than the SNP and Sturgeon, that's a given), surely that cancels out any failures north of the border?
The Scottish Government Covid performance is nothing to write home about, but cases are running 30% less than in England per capita and are possibly not rising quite so fast.
Compare Scotland to the South of England which still has the lowest infection rates in Europe
Presumably you mean the 'South of England exc. London'?
I wonder how much of that might be due to Mayor Pete and the way he raised the Democrat profile in the state? As did Beto in Texas, of course.
Well the Democrats' most significant political mistake over the last decade was not putting enough effort into state politics, and they have begun to correct that.
Perhaps the Trump campaign is picking up on the notion Harris had an absolute stinker last night and are holding up the prospect of a quick shift of power to voters.
Only in your head did Harris have "an absolute stinker" last night. Don't suppose there is the tiniest possibility that you might have some evidence to back that assertion. The only poll I've seen had Harris winning the debate with a very comfortable digit lead.
No, I am a Tory activist not you and also more so than Philip who voted Labour in 2001 and Brexit Party in 2019 at the Euros when I voted Tory in all those elections so I will also take no lectures from him on what Tory policy is.
I know what was in the Tory manifesto, there was no specific promise to regain control of state aid, zero, nada, only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters.
Brexit by itself now having being delivered reduces EU law over the UK and also our annual subsidies to Brussels which covers that point.
End of conversation
You can be as arrogant as you want but the fact you still claim the Tory manifesto promised "only to end free movement, do our own trade deals and regain control of fishing waters" is 100% wrong. It promised:
Take back control of our laws.
Take back control of our money.
If the LPF commitments mean we don't control our laws and money that is a violation.
End of conversation.
Phrases like "take back control of our laws" and "take back control of our money" are for moronic serfs who get played time and time again by the ruling class.
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These lockdowns are not working. Hammering the healthy to try to protect the very ill and very old is a giant disaster.
Or do I have to remind you of this - https://barry-walsh.co.uk/lockdown-blues/ - when a policeman threatened a member of the public with making up evidence to get this own way.
End of conservatism.