I don't know if there is data on this but the student infection outbreaks seem to involve a few of the crapper 'universities'.
University of Glasgow isn't crappie is it? Or the University of Liverpool?
Manchester Met and Coventry have had outbreaks.
But as I said I'd like to see some data.
Whatever the overall situation it is still an astonishing outbreak at Northumbria.
Well, it will be interesting to see what happens at the Oxford & Cambridge Colleges (back this week).
The Colleges basically house the undergraduate students. And they function as Old Peoples Homes for elderly dons.
Normally, a STD is shared by the whole College from undergraduates to the Master.
A covid outbreak is going to be devastating for the more decrepit fellows who live in College.
Actually that could be the reason why the supposedly crap universities are high up on the positive testing list. They go back earlier than the red bricks who go back earlier than Oxbridge.
I don't know if there is data on this but the student infection outbreaks seem to involve a few of the crapper 'universities'.
According to the Guardian, Northumbria Law School ranks above Exeter, Birmingham, Warwick, Manchester, Newcastle, Cardiff, Nottingham, etc...
The Guardian rankings are nonsense. They don't include any measure of research output and use a very dubious value added system.
Is research output particularly relevant to students?
It is very relevant to postgraduate students. But anyway, the discussion was "crap or crapper" universities, so yes research output is relevant.
I’m a postgraduate student. Research output is not relevant to me.
For a Law School, surely it is all about who is in employment in the profession a few years later?
Medical Schools too are often ranked by research output, but that tends to be by Academics not interested in teaching. Indeed the worst thing for an Academic career in Medicine is to be good at teaching Undergraduates. It is a distraction from activities such as publications, grants and committees that advance careers.
Not much has changed in the 150 years since Gilbert and Sullivan sang "Stay close to your desks and never go to sea, and you all shall be the leaders of the Queen's navy".
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
First degree Cowley Tech (in-joke) Second degree Open University - the latter a lot more professional in teaching and assessment...for the first time I was taught how to write an essay - simple basic things like that....
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
Actually not because they not view him as racist. Their view is that the Democrats have treated the Black vote as cannon fodder for too long and are quite happy to keep Black people poor and impoverished to ensure that they keep their votes. When you look at places like Baltimore and Detroit, you can see their point. Also, there is a growing view that they do not want to be treated as victims.
I know it goes against the consensus on this site but - from a betting perspective at least - you should be aware of it because it's a growing factor
I have no problem with opposing views on this site, however implausible.
All the evidence I see is that Trump is too short in the betting, and I think there is an underestimate of the possibility of a Biden landslide.
I reckon Trump won't break 200 EV, and possibly substantially less.
And that is fair enough. I can see an argument for that. There are a lot of people who hate his guts. I have said it before but I will repeat it, I have not bet yet because I have no idea how this will go and I can see a scenario where there is a sudden move to one candidate or another. But I can also see a scenario where - if IBD is in the right ballpark - states like NV, MN and maybe even VA come into play
If it hadn't been for CV19, then given a strong economy, I would have been extremely surprised if Trump had not won reelection.
But CV19 hit, and while Trump has been far from the worse leader as far as handling it, he has also been far from the best.
In the 538 polling average, Biden is now above his three month moving average and is up to 50.7%. If other polls validate the IBD move, it will be interesting. But right now, the USC tracker is showing no movement, and the Ipsos poll out yesterday (which was third collected after the debate) also showed no move.
I've bet on Tories, Labour, Remain, Leave, Trump, Obama and others. I bet to make money.
Right now, I'm not seeing anything in the polls that suggests that Biden is not twice as likely to win this than Trump. Doesn't mean Trump won't win, of course, because 30-33% shots come in all the time, but the preponderance of evidence (so far) is that Biden's polling position remains extremely strong.
"Trump has been far from the worse leader as far as handling [Covid-19]" ??
What planet are you on? Seriously, who are all the leaders who have been worse than Trump?
Bolsanaro? Modi?
Together with Trump they form the bottom three.
Bolsonaro and Trump maybe, US deaths per head are 643 per million and Brazilian deaths per head are 681 per million compared to a global average of 132.3 per million.
Modi however certainly not, Indian deaths per head are only 73 per million
Sanchez in Spain though has like Bolsonaro performed worse than Trump, Spanish Covid deaths are 686 per million.
Trump, Sanchez and Bolosonaro have all done worse than Boris too now given UK deaths are now 622 per million, as have the Presidents of Peru, Bolivia, Chile and Ecuador and the PM of Belgium
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
Absolutely, although there's probably an element of truth to it as well.
Opinion remains divided as to which of the Government's rules are essential, which debatable, and which are ridiculous, to be sure. Regardless, it is reasonable to suppose that flouting of the rules is more widespread in some parts of the country than others.
Now, if people neglect to follow the rules and more of them come down with the virus as a result, then is that really 100% the fault of the Government, or does some element of personal responsibility not come into all of this?
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
First degree Cowley Tech (in-joke) Second degree Open University - the latter a lot more professional in teaching and assessment...for the first time I was taught how to write an essay - simple basic things like that....
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
I've no problem with a plurality of views but the evidence provided and the scrutiny also has to be consistent. I don't challenge @MrEd because he is pro-Trump (nothing wrong with that) but his evidence and his suppositions shouldn't go unchallenged because it goes against the "majority".
He may be on to something - he may not - but let him present the evidence and let that evidence be challenged. He doesn't get a free pass because he puts forward a contrary line.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Hold on. When MrEd posts sensible points about the views of Trump supporters that's OK, but a lot of what he posts is blinkered and biassed rubbish dressed up as betting advice. Rubbish should be called out as rubbish, even on this site.
Hold on Eristdoorf, would you like to provide some examples of this? I have banged on until the cows come home that I have not bet on this race because I do not know which way it will go and I have definitely not come on here and said you should go all out Trump. What I do try and do is give some examples of where there is evidence against the grain and to suggest why there the consensus might - might - be wrong. The ones I have posted this evening are the (a) the IBD poll findings and (b) the two NBC articles, one of which about the Republicans closing the gap on registrations and the other that the Democrats are restarting door to door canvassing which, to me, suggests they think their previous methods aren't working properly.
The irony of the last few hours, which will no doubt be lost on a fair few, is that the ones who are most vocal about decrying the "shy Trump" voter theory are giving a perfect example of why people may be fearful of expressing their intention to vote for him, even in an anonymous environment.
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Hold on. When MrEd posts sensible points about the views of Trump supporters that's OK, but a lot of what he posts is blinkered and biassed rubbish dressed up as betting advice. Rubbish should be called out as rubbish, even on this site.
I'm not seeing that. I think he's very polite and posts interesting points. I don't see much calm refuting of the evidence except from @rcs1000
I think people call him blinkered and biased because he's a Trump supporter and the rest follows on from that.
I genuinely wish Keir Starmer well in his efforts to re-build Labour as a viable centre-left Opposition but I can't agree with this.
The Prime Minister hasn't said it as explicitly or as bluntly as I would but the public have to take some responsibility for what has happened albeit they were "encouraged" to "get back to normal" by Johnson and many of his Cabinet.
The wider issue becomes the point at which individual and collective self-responsibility needs effective enforcement. This notion of "common sense" needs to be fleshed out a bit - are we or are we not responsible both for ourselves and for all those around us or is it just the former? If there are those who think only of themselves and take actions which put others at risk should we not have enforcement to protect those who need it?
Is it the case that in the anonymous cities people see life in terms of themselves and don't care about others whereas in smaller communities there is a more collective sense of identity?
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
You are Crassus and I claim my £5.
Because I’m a pleb I had to do a Google to understand that reference.
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Thank you @Casino_Royale, that is really appreciated. Kudos to you for standing up.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
Careful. A fair few Roman leaders met an untimely demise that way.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
Having worked in both Russell and ex-polys I can say there is some truth in the latter provides better teaching. Clearly a massive generalisation and there will be huge individual differences not least between individual lecturers.
The bottom line though is the Russell group ones are research-led and staffed with people who want do research. Indeed some of them find the teaching and associated admin a right royal pain that gets in the way of the real job. Ex-polys - less so: their roots are in teaching-led, local higher education, often vocational, not research.
Ironically of course some of the greatest teachers turn out to also be world class researchers: think Feynman.
I don't know if there is data on this but the student infection outbreaks seem to involve a few of the crapper 'universities'.
According to the Guardian, Northumbria Law School ranks above Exeter, Birmingham, Warwick, Manchester, Newcastle, Cardiff, Nottingham, etc...
The Guardian rankings are nonsense. They don't include any measure of research output and use a very dubious value added system.
Is research output particularly relevant to students?
It is very relevant to postgraduate students. But anyway, the discussion was "crap or crapper" universities, so yes research output is relevant.
I’m a postgraduate student. Research output is not relevant to me.
Isn't that when it's most important?
Absolutely yes if you're aiming for a PhD in Science and/or maths.
But not if you want an actual job.
If you want one afterwards? My best mate at uni went on to do his PhD at Imperial and he walked into an R&D job at a big defence firm afterwards. Not sure he would have got the same opportunity had he stuck around at Cardiff.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
Having worked in both Russell and ex-polys I can say there is some truth in the latter provides better teaching. Clearly a massive generalisation and there will be huge individual differences not least between individual lecturers.
Could that possibly be because the brighter students tend to go to Russell Group universities rather than ex-polys?
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
I've no problem with a plurality of views but the evidence provided and the scrutiny also has to be consistent. I don't challenge @MrEd because he is pro-Trump (nothing wrong with that) but his evidence and his suppositions shouldn't go unchallenged because it goes against the "majority".
He may be on to something - he may not - but let him present the evidence and let that evidence be challenged. He doesn't get a free pass because he puts forward a contrary line.
Spot on @stodge, I should not get a free pass and I should be challenged. Very happy to do that and debate the points.
I will say one thing though, It is quite funny how most posters (and this is not aimed at you BTW) try to dissect every poll that may suggest Trump is doing better than the narrative but are quite happy to let sail through the latest NYT / Siena and ABC / Washington Post polls which consistently show very large Biden leads. Why is that? I'll give you a clue - NYT and Washington Post readers do not want to hear that Trump is in with a chance.
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Thank you @Casino_Royale, that is really appreciated. Kudos to you for standing up.
I second Casino and also think MrEd's contributions are important, I never had any problems with Corbyn or SNP supporters posting here and I certainly don't have any problems with Trump supporters like MrEd posting either, this site to be effective needs all points of view
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
You are Crassus and I claim my £5.
Because I’m a pleb I had to do a Google to understand that reference.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator I will close all the former polys change the history curriculum to ensure classical history is the centrepiece of the curriculum.
Obviously covid has affected Johnson's memory. Otherwise he would recall that he exhorted us only two months ago to get back to our desks, eat out to help out and save the great british summer.
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Thank you @Casino_Royale, that is really appreciated. Kudos to you for standing up.
I second Casino and also think MrEd's contributions are important, I never had any problems with Corbyn or SNP supporters posting here and I certainly don't have any problems with Trump supporters like MrEd posting either, this site to be effective needs all points of view
I don't know if there is data on this but the student infection outbreaks seem to involve a few of the crapper 'universities'.
According to the Guardian, Northumbria Law School ranks above Exeter, Birmingham, Warwick, Manchester, Newcastle, Cardiff, Nottingham, etc...
The Guardian rankings are nonsense. They don't include any measure of research output and use a very dubious value added system.
Is research output particularly relevant to students?
It is very relevant to postgraduate students. But anyway, the discussion was "crap or crapper" universities, so yes research output is relevant.
I’m a postgraduate student. Research output is not relevant to me.
Isn't that when it's most important?
Absolutely yes if you're aiming for a PhD in Science and/or maths.
But not if you want an actual job.
If you want one afterwards? My best mate at uni went on to do his PhD at Imperial and he walked into an R&D job at a big defence firm afterwards. Not sure he would have got the same opportunity had he stuck around at Cardiff.
Well nobody is denying that Imperial is a better university than Cardiff, especially when it comes to Engineering of some kind, I assume?
However doing a PhD in Law is not likely to fast-track you very far in getting a training contract at a large law firm, at least as far as I’m aware.
Likewise doing a PhD in History or English is not going to go far in helping you get a job.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
You are Crassus and I claim my £5.
Because I’m a pleb I had to do a Google to understand that reference.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator I will close all the former polys change the history curriculum to ensure classical history is the centrepiece of the curriculum.
With Morris Dancer in charge of implementing the policy?
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Thank you @Casino_Royale, that is really appreciated. Kudos to you for standing up.
I too watched the debate and I thought it was outrageously entertaining, and far from a slam-dunk Biden win.
Trump was belligerent, nasty, snide, shouty, but he was also clever and hit home with some very sharp jabs, which made Biden look the second rate has-been that he is. And Biden was no saint, he was full of insults - "clown", "liar" etc, that didn't particularly work because they looked like the Washington elite sneering at the outside (however untrue that perception is)
I am not surprised the polls hint at Trump recovering ground. My reading was that Trump won a very bloody, hair-raising yet compelling debate (and a debate which made anything similar in Britain look infinitely tedious, even we ours are "well behaved").
For this reason I do not believe the Trump Covid Hoax stuff. He did relatively well in that debate. He would relish another.
Or a fat salary for another four-or-so years, or the gold-plated pension contributions, or the parachute payment when you lose your seat. Probably worth, at a guess, about £500k collectively. And she doesn't have to do any work to get it if she doesn't want to.
I don't know if there is data on this but the student infection outbreaks seem to involve a few of the crapper 'universities'.
According to the Guardian, Northumbria Law School ranks above Exeter, Birmingham, Warwick, Manchester, Newcastle, Cardiff, Nottingham, etc...
The Guardian rankings are nonsense. They don't include any measure of research output and use a very dubious value added system.
Is research output particularly relevant to students?
It is very relevant to postgraduate students. But anyway, the discussion was "crap or crapper" universities, so yes research output is relevant.
I’m a postgraduate student. Research output is not relevant to me.
Isn't that when it's most important?
Absolutely yes if you're aiming for a PhD in Science and/or maths.
But not if you want an actual job.
If you want one afterwards? My best mate at uni went on to do his PhD at Imperial and he walked into an R&D job at a big defence firm afterwards. Not sure he would have got the same opportunity had he stuck around at Cardiff.
Well nobody is denying that Imperial is a better university than Cardiff, especially when it comes to Engineering of some kind, I assume?
However doing a PhD in Law is not likely to fast-track you very far in getting a training contract at a large law firm, at least as far as I’m aware.
Likewise doing a PhD in History or English is not going to go far in helping you get a job.
I have a university friend who did a PhD in Law back home in Germany and now works for White and Case in New York, one of the top corporate law firms, though you need to do it in a relevant area
The biggest problem with the Guardian approach is it is based in idea of value added. Thus, the lower your entry standards the more you get rewards for somebody getting the degree at the end.
You could argue that means the teaching must be better as it enabled students who came with lower grades to achieve the same as those at other unis who started from a better level of attainment. What it doesn't tell you is how good that degree actually is, because unlike A-Levels not everybody is sitting the same exam in the same small set of subjects at the end. And across wildly different subjects from theoretical to vocational, the difficulty of a degree is enormous.
And of course because of the doshola, no uni wants to fail anybody these days.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
You mean the poly students have to be spoon fed, while the Russell Group students are independent learners?
For the money I’m paying, I want to be spoon-fed liquid gold.
You are Crassus and I claim my £5.
Because I’m a pleb I had to do a Google to understand that reference.
The great Richard Feynman, a Jewish boy from New York, was admonished by his first wife from her hospital bed with "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" It stayed with him for the rest of his life.
I don't know if there is data on this but the student infection outbreaks seem to involve a few of the crapper 'universities'.
According to the Guardian, Northumbria Law School ranks above Exeter, Birmingham, Warwick, Manchester, Newcastle, Cardiff, Nottingham, etc...
The Guardian rankings are nonsense. They don't include any measure of research output and use a very dubious value added system.
Is research output particularly relevant to students?
It is very relevant to postgraduate students. But anyway, the discussion was "crap or crapper" universities, so yes research output is relevant.
I’m a postgraduate student. Research output is not relevant to me.
Isn't that when it's most important?
Absolutely yes if you're aiming for a PhD in Science and/or maths.
But not if you want an actual job.
If you want one afterwards? My best mate at uni went on to do his PhD at Imperial and he walked into an R&D job at a big defence firm afterwards. Not sure he would have got the same opportunity had he stuck around at Cardiff.
Well nobody is denying that Imperial is a better university than Cardiff, especially when it comes to Engineering of some kind, I assume?
However doing a PhD in Law is not likely to fast-track you very far in getting a training contract at a large law firm, at least as far as I’m aware.
Likewise doing a PhD in History or English is not going to go far in helping you get a job.
Physics actually, my wife has a masters from UCL which helped her get into corporate and government intelligence, again pretty sure one from London Met wouldn't have given her the same opportunities. Her master's is in a branch of economics which is extremely unscientific.
If those numbers are anywhere near the result, then - given the importance of the Black vote to the Democrats in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and the Hispanic vote in Arizona and Florida - Trump is likely to win the EC. You might even see places like NV being in play.
I can - with difficulty - see how Trump's performance might have appealed to a segment of Hispanic voters who like the Strong Man leader. Not seeing any way that performance appealed to any section of the Black population.
I will not read much into that poll until there are more post-debate polls. The only other recent poll I looked at had Biden increasing his lead, but that was an eve of debate poll, not post.
Biden's "You Ain't Black" comment was a real game changer for a fair few Black Americans, particularly the younger ones. It didn't get talked about much but, since then, I've noticed more Black pro-Trump social media sites popping up
(Note: Mrs Ed is a Black American. Has not voted Republican since 04. Voting for Trump this year).
Presumably not bothered by Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists...
I am sensing he is the new plato.
Ok, look I am quite happy to go back and sit in the shadows, and not comment. That's fine. But this is a betting website. There were plenty of people on here - and I think you were one of them - ramping up how we should all go on Biden after that debate because Trump was now toast. We now have the first poll after the debate that shows he has cut Biden's lead. For the sake of your bank balance alone, don't you think you should consider evidence that maybe goes against your views.
For someone who appears to proclaim himself such a liberal, you seem an awfully narrow minded individual.
Please keep commenting, and ignore the Lefty morons.
And AFTER the election too, one hopes.
Mr. Ed is a valuable resource to this site and provides insights from a pro-Trump perspective that is sadly lacking on here from anywhere else.
He is vociferously and personally attacked by some posters because of this.
I have zero respect for them. Quite frankly, I'd rather they were banned than Mr. Ed bullied off the site because he refuses to me yet another little Sir Echo.
If you want an echo chamber go and form a Facebook group or customise your own Twitter feed.
This is a betting site and I value opposing and conflicting views - *especially* when they go against the grain of what everyone else is saying.
Thank you @Casino_Royale, that is really appreciated. Kudos to you for standing up.
I too watched the debate and I thought it was outrageously entertaining, and far from a slam-dunk Biden win.
Trump was belligerent, nasty, snide, shouty, but he was also clever and hit home with some very sharp jabs, which made Biden look the second rate has-been that he is. And Biden was no saint, he was full of insults - "clown", "liar" etc, that didn't particularly work because they looked like the Washington elite sneering at the outside (however untrue that perception is)
I am not surprised the polls hint at Trump recovering ground. My reading was that Trump won a very bloody, hair-raising yet compelling debate (and a debate which made anything similar in Britain look infinitely tedious, even we ours are "well behaved").
For this reason I do not believe the Trump Covid Hoax stuff. He did relatively well in that debate. He would relish another.
Are the polls hinting at Trump recovering ground?
We had the IDB one with just a 3% lead for Biden, I'll give you that.
But we've also had Data for Progress (+10), USC (+8), IPSOS (+9) and Change Research (+13) all showing leads for Biden, all covering or partly covering the period since the debate. Plus a slew of state plls favourable to Biden.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I did my undergraduate degree at nice Russell Group Newcastle University and was full of snobbery for the “ex-polys”. I am now doing a Master of Law degree at Northumbria and realise the snobbery was total rubbish. If anything the quality of teaching is better at the ex-poly than it was at the red brick.
I would suggest people check their prejudices.
I believe it is widely accepted that teaching standards tend to be higher at the former polytechnics. The higher calibre of the average student admitted to the traditional universities apparently meant that they were better able to teach themselves!
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'The man from Del Monte - his test says "Yes"'
I have a prejudiced desire to see it rip through Aston.
Medical Schools too are often ranked by research output, but that tends to be by Academics not interested in teaching. Indeed the worst thing for an Academic career in Medicine is to be good at teaching Undergraduates. It is a distraction from activities such as publications, grants and committees that advance careers.
Not much has changed in the 150 years since Gilbert and Sullivan sang "Stay close to your desks and never go to sea, and you all shall be the leaders of the Queen's navy".
Second degree Open University - the latter a lot more professional in teaching and assessment...for the first time I was taught how to write an essay - simple basic things like that....
Modi however certainly not, Indian deaths per head are only 73 per million
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Sanchez in Spain though has like Bolsonaro performed worse than Trump, Spanish Covid deaths are 686 per million.
Trump, Sanchez and Bolosonaro have all done worse than Boris too now given UK deaths are now 622 per million, as have the Presidents of Peru, Bolivia, Chile and Ecuador and the PM of Belgium
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1311753521168080897?s=20
Opinion remains divided as to which of the Government's rules are essential, which debatable, and which are ridiculous, to be sure. Regardless, it is reasonable to suppose that flouting of the rules is more widespread in some parts of the country than others.
Now, if people neglect to follow the rules and more of them come down with the virus as a result, then is that really 100% the fault of the Government, or does some element of personal responsibility not come into all of this?
So let's play the ball and not the man please.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/de-montfort-university-leicester-university-4547410
The irony of the last few hours, which will no doubt be lost on a fair few, is that the ones who are most vocal about decrying the "shy Trump" voter theory are giving a perfect example of why people may be fearful of expressing their intention to vote for him, even in an anonymous environment.
I think people call him blinkered and biased because he's a Trump supporter and the rest follows on from that.
https://twitter.com/drew_hammill/status/1312120496821923841?s=21
The Prime Minister hasn't said it as explicitly or as bluntly as I would but the public have to take some responsibility for what has happened albeit they were "encouraged" to "get back to normal" by Johnson and many of his Cabinet.
The wider issue becomes the point at which individual and collective self-responsibility needs effective enforcement. This notion of "common sense" needs to be fleshed out a bit - are we or are we not responsible both for ourselves and for all those around us or is it just the former? If there are those who think only of themselves and take actions which put others at risk should we not have enforcement to protect those who need it?
Is it the case that in the anonymous cities people see life in terms of themselves and don't care about others whereas in smaller communities there is a more collective sense of identity?
Just a thought.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701
The bottom line though is the Russell group ones are research-led and staffed with people who want do research. Indeed some of them find the teaching and associated admin a right royal pain that gets in the way of the real job. Ex-polys - less so: their roots are in teaching-led, local higher education, often vocational, not research.
Ironically of course some of the greatest teachers turn out to also be world class researchers: think Feynman.
I will say one thing though, It is quite funny how most posters (and this is not aimed at you BTW) try to dissect every poll that may suggest Trump is doing better than the narrative but are quite happy to let sail through the latest NYT / Siena and ABC / Washington Post polls which consistently show very large Biden leads. Why is that? I'll give you a clue - NYT and Washington Post readers do not want to hear that Trump is in with a chance.
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However doing a PhD in Law is not likely to fast-track you very far in getting a training contract at a large law firm, at least as far as I’m aware.
Likewise doing a PhD in History or English is not going to go far in helping you get a job.
Trump was belligerent, nasty, snide, shouty, but he was also clever and hit home with some very sharp jabs, which made Biden look the second rate has-been that he is. And Biden was no saint, he was full of insults - "clown", "liar" etc, that didn't particularly work because they looked like the Washington elite sneering at the outside (however untrue that perception is)
I am not surprised the polls hint at Trump recovering ground. My reading was that Trump won a very bloody, hair-raising yet compelling debate (and a debate which made anything similar in Britain look infinitely tedious, even we ours are "well behaved").
For this reason I do not believe the Trump Covid Hoax stuff. He did relatively well in that debate. He would relish another.
No wonder she might not want to budge.
You could argue that means the teaching must be better as it enabled students who came with lower grades to achieve the same as those at other unis who started from a better level of attainment. What it doesn't tell you is how good that degree actually is, because unlike A-Levels not everybody is sitting the same exam in the same small set of subjects at the end. And across wildly different subjects from theoretical to vocational, the difficulty of a degree is enormous.
And of course because of the doshola, no uni wants to fail anybody these days.
Silver linings, eh.
We had the IDB one with just a 3% lead for Biden, I'll give you that.
But we've also had Data for Progress (+10), USC (+8), IPSOS (+9) and Change Research (+13) all showing leads for Biden, all covering or partly covering the period since the debate. Plus a slew of state plls favourable to Biden.
I think we need to wait and see.