Biden’s national poll lead remains and the swing state surveys are looking positive – politicalbetti
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I think we would. That aspiration was written into the WA and would have been governed by the joint committee.Philip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.
My Brexit is based on realpolitik and tough but fair compromises of economic convenience/disruption versus independence/freedom that work in the real world.
But, I ended up falling down the middle between the two warring extremes.
(Doesn't help that Theresa May couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst either)1 -
The key question for me is this. If we cannot rely on the state polls (they may err in favour of Trump, or in favour of Biden, or a mix from vendor to vendor) then what is the maximum national poll deficit that Trump can concede and still have a shot at winning the Electoral College?rcs1000 said:
There is one enormous difference between now and 2016: the national poll picture.HYUFD said:
Not a single pollster had Trump ahead in Wisconsin in 2016 the entire campaign and only 1 pollster, Trafalgar, had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won all 3 states.theenglishborn said:
Except there were more goodies for trump than he is getting currently, and that's with most pollsters missing key areas of trump supporters.HYUFD said:
Of course the RCP poll average had Hillary winning the EC in 2016, it was the occasional poll goodies for Trump that were rightPeter_the_Punter said:I see the latest batch of polls up on RCP are calming for those of us alarmed by the ABC polls for Arizona and Florida. This continues a long-running pattern of occasional goodies for Trump followed by a return to the normality of a steady Biden lead.
The monotony should end with the first debate, one would end, due on the 29th I think.
At the moment trump needs for the polls to be wrong again and by the same if not bigger margins. They might well be the case, but 2018 was good for most pollsters in the trump era, so will be interesting to see if they have corrected themselves.
It is true that Trump was doing better in the South and Arizona than he is now on average but if the ABC poll putting him back in front in Florida and Arizona is correct and followed by other pollsters then this election is looking more and more like 2016
On September 23rd 2016, Ms Clinton was averaging 42.5% in the 538 poll of polls.
On September 23rd 2018, Mr Biden is eight points ahead of that at 50.5%.0 -
Dunno, I quite like Purcell, although he's probably a bit old fashioned for some.DougSeal said:
Dido is music for people who don't like music.Nigelb said:This falls into the 'no one could have forecast the increased demand' category.
Shortages threaten Johnson's pledge of 500,000 UK Covid tests a day
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/shortages-threaten-johnson-pledge-500000-uk-covid-tests-a-day
...The British In Vitro Diagnostics Association (Bivda) told the Guardian there would be “a lag” between the government target and the industry’s ability to scale up production and supply.
Helen Dent, its chief operating officer, said: “If there was a steady order based on forecast numbers of tests that people are expecting, there would be a steady supply. But the manufacturing times for both reagents and analysers for the increased number of tests that are planned have a bit of a lag.
“The lag is about a few weeks. It’s a supply chain lag in that everything is based on forecasts. So when there’s a forecast for a certain number of tests, the supply chain adjusts to that. And when the forecast is changed, the supply chain adjusts to that. The lag develops when there’s a new forecast, but then it [supply] catches up. But they have been ordered and they will arrive,” she added...
Any criticism of Dido would, of course be < bluster >"utterly unwarranted"< /bluster >.0 -
The other trouble is it will take at least 2-3 weeks to know if this week's messages are working. Even if they do work then can the Government hold its nerve for that long?Casino_Royale said:
The Government are trying to scream blue murder at the public in the hope this changes behaviour so no further official tightening is necessary.rottenborough said:
Yep. As @Cyclefree noted based on her family's experience of running a pub.Pulpstar said:Thinking about the pubs, 10 pm strikes me as the sweet spot for taking the party back to Karen's house.
As I said the other day the Dutch looked at this early closing idea and backed away from it precisely for this reason.
To me it just shouts 'look like we are doing something'.
Trouble is that even if it's 90% effective it probably won't be enough as just a small handful of superspreaders can transmit it to hundreds in days.3 -
To be fair the Government is trying to do that and pursuing FTAs with all of those at present.DougSeal said:
You also promised in your manifesto that 80 per cent of UK trade would be covered by free trade agreements by the end of 2022, starting with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. That promise was disingenuous at best.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU
The only way to get to 80% of our trade being covered by FTAs is through an FTA with the EU. Because if we don't, then even if we sign FTA's with the rest of the planet then we only have 55-60% of our trade covered - the missing 40-45% being with the EU - unless we more than halve the trade we have with the EU. That sort of massive realignment cannot happen in three years without wholesale disruption that loses votes.
Anyway, we're nearly a third of the way through the three year period and, of the listed countries, only Japan is in the bag, 2% of our trade. Only 78% to go and you are trashing more than half of that.
Some would say that governing should be about the preserving the peace and welfare of the governed - not about cherry picking promises from manifestos in order to make culture war points.
It's also agreed continuity agreements with more than you list including South Africa, East Africa, Switzerland etc.2 -
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HYUFD went into there are no tanks mode some time back.DougSeal said:
You also promised in your manifesto that 80 per cent of UK trade would be covered by free trade agreements by the end of 2022, starting with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. That promise was disingenuous at best.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU
The only way to get to 80% of our trade being covered by FTAs is through an FTA with the EU. Because if we don't, then even if we sign FTA's with the rest of the planet then we only have 55-60% of our trade covered - the missing 40-45% being with the EU - unless we more than halve the trade we have with the EU. That sort of massive realignment cannot happen in three years without wholesale disruption that loses votes.
Anyway, we're nearly a third of the way through the three year period and, of the listed countries, only Japan is in the bag, 2% of our trade. Only 78% to go and you are trashing more than half of that.
Some would say that governing should be about the preserving the peace and welfare of the governed - not about cherry picking promises from manifestos in order to make culture war points.0 -
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I think Trump can lose the popular vote by 4% and still win the electoral college.GarethoftheVale2 said:
The key question for me is this. If we cannot rely on the state polls (they may err in favour of Trump, or in favour of Biden, or a mix from vendor to vendor) then what is the maximum national poll deficit that Trump can concede and still have a shot at winning the Electoral College?rcs1000 said:
There is one enormous difference between now and 2016: the national poll picture.HYUFD said:
Not a single pollster had Trump ahead in Wisconsin in 2016 the entire campaign and only 1 pollster, Trafalgar, had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won all 3 states.theenglishborn said:
Except there were more goodies for trump than he is getting currently, and that's with most pollsters missing key areas of trump supporters.HYUFD said:
Of course the RCP poll average had Hillary winning the EC in 2016, it was the occasional poll goodies for Trump that were rightPeter_the_Punter said:I see the latest batch of polls up on RCP are calming for those of us alarmed by the ABC polls for Arizona and Florida. This continues a long-running pattern of occasional goodies for Trump followed by a return to the normality of a steady Biden lead.
The monotony should end with the first debate, one would end, due on the 29th I think.
At the moment trump needs for the polls to be wrong again and by the same if not bigger margins. They might well be the case, but 2018 was good for most pollsters in the trump era, so will be interesting to see if they have corrected themselves.
It is true that Trump was doing better in the South and Arizona than he is now on average but if the ABC poll putting him back in front in Florida and Arizona is correct and followed by other pollsters then this election is looking more and more like 2016
On September 23rd 2016, Ms Clinton was averaging 42.5% in the 538 poll of polls.
On September 23rd 2018, Mr Biden is eight points ahead of that at 50.5%.
4% would require near perfect vote distribution, but a 2-3% deficit should see him home.0 -
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On September 23rd 2016 Trump was averaging just 39% with 538rcs1000 said:
There is one enormous difference between now and 2016: the national poll picture.HYUFD said:
Not a single pollster had Trump ahead in Wisconsin in 2016 the entire campaign and only 1 pollster, Trafalgar, had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won all 3 states.theenglishborn said:
Except there were more goodies for trump than he is getting currently, and that's with most pollsters missing key areas of trump supporters.HYUFD said:
Of course the RCP poll average had Hillary winning the EC in 2016, it was the occasional poll goodies for Trump that were rightPeter_the_Punter said:I see the latest batch of polls up on RCP are calming for those of us alarmed by the ABC polls for Arizona and Florida. This continues a long-running pattern of occasional goodies for Trump followed by a return to the normality of a steady Biden lead.
The monotony should end with the first debate, one would end, due on the 29th I think.
At the moment trump needs for the polls to be wrong again and by the same if not bigger margins. They might well be the case, but 2018 was good for most pollsters in the trump era, so will be interesting to see if they have corrected themselves.
It is true that Trump was doing better in the South and Arizona than he is now on average but if the ABC poll putting him back in front in Florida and Arizona is correct and followed by other pollsters then this election is looking more and more like 2016
On September 23rd 2016, Ms Clinton was averaging 42.5% in the 538 poll of polls.
On September 23rd 2018, Mr Biden is eight points ahead of that at 50.5%.
Today Trump is averaging 45.9% with 538 ie 7% ahead of where he was in 20160 -
Not so sure what the nose painting is about. Maybe you had to be there.Omnium said:
Nice that you've nailed that down so conclusively.DavidL said:
I assumed it was a reference to MacbethOmnium said:
Yes, I thought that. At 10pm you'll bat on, but at eleven you're happy to go home. (admittedly I don't know this Karen, but I presume she was a notional person)Pulpstar said:Thinking about the pubs, 10 pm strikes me as the sweet spot for taking the party back to Karen's house.
Macduff. What three things does drink especially provoke?
Porter. Marry, sir, nose-painting, sleep, and
urine. Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes;
it provokes the desire, but it takes
away the performance: therefore, much drink
may be said to be an equivocator with lechery:
it makes him, and it mars him; it sets
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and disheartens him; makes him stand to, and
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Great, that gets us to 60% at absolute maximum, not the promised/indicated 80%.Casino_Royale said:
To be fair the Government is trying to do that and pursuing FTAs with all of those at present.DougSeal said:
You also promised in your manifesto that 80 per cent of UK trade would be covered by free trade agreements by the end of 2022, starting with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. That promise was disingenuous at best.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU
The only way to get to 80% of our trade being covered by FTAs is through an FTA with the EU. Because if we don't, then even if we sign FTA's with the rest of the planet then we only have 55-60% of our trade covered - the missing 40-45% being with the EU - unless we more than halve the trade we have with the EU. That sort of massive realignment cannot happen in three years without wholesale disruption that loses votes.
Anyway, we're nearly a third of the way through the three year period and, of the listed countries, only Japan is in the bag, 2% of our trade. Only 78% to go and you are trashing more than half of that.
Some would say that governing should be about the preserving the peace and welfare of the governed - not about cherry picking promises from manifestos in order to make culture war points.
It's also agreed continuity agreements with more than you list including South Africa, East Africa, Switzerland etc.0 -
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True but Trafalgar still has Trump ahead in Michigan and also has Trump ahead in WisconsinDougSeal said:
Trafalgar has Biden up by 3 in PA this time round.HYUFD said:
Not a single pollster had Trump ahead in Wisconsin in 2016 the entire campaign and only 1 pollster, Trafalgar, had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won all 3 states.theenglishborn said:
Except there were more goodies for trump than he is getting currently, and that's with most pollsters missing key areas of trump supporters.HYUFD said:
Of course the RCP poll average had Hillary winning the EC in 2016, it was the occasional poll goodies for Trump that were rightPeter_the_Punter said:I see the latest batch of polls up on RCP are calming for those of us alarmed by the ABC polls for Arizona and Florida. This continues a long-running pattern of occasional goodies for Trump followed by a return to the normality of a steady Biden lead.
The monotony should end with the first debate, one would end, due on the 29th I think.
At the moment trump needs for the polls to be wrong again and by the same if not bigger margins. They might well be the case, but 2018 was good for most pollsters in the trump era, so will be interesting to see if they have corrected themselves.
It is true that Trump was doing better in the South and Arizona than he is now on average but if the ABC poll putting him back in front in Florida and Arizona is correct and followed by other pollsters then this election is looking more and more like 20160 -
I don't understand how Trump is even in contention in the marginals considering how far behind he is in the national polls.GarethoftheVale2 said:
The key question for me is this. If we cannot rely on the state polls (they may err in favour of Trump, or in favour of Biden, or a mix from vendor to vendor) then what is the maximum national poll deficit that Trump can concede and still have a shot at winning the Electoral College?rcs1000 said:
There is one enormous difference between now and 2016: the national poll picture.HYUFD said:
Not a single pollster had Trump ahead in Wisconsin in 2016 the entire campaign and only 1 pollster, Trafalgar, had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won all 3 states.theenglishborn said:
Except there were more goodies for trump than he is getting currently, and that's with most pollsters missing key areas of trump supporters.HYUFD said:
Of course the RCP poll average had Hillary winning the EC in 2016, it was the occasional poll goodies for Trump that were rightPeter_the_Punter said:I see the latest batch of polls up on RCP are calming for those of us alarmed by the ABC polls for Arizona and Florida. This continues a long-running pattern of occasional goodies for Trump followed by a return to the normality of a steady Biden lead.
The monotony should end with the first debate, one would end, due on the 29th I think.
At the moment trump needs for the polls to be wrong again and by the same if not bigger margins. They might well be the case, but 2018 was good for most pollsters in the trump era, so will be interesting to see if they have corrected themselves.
It is true that Trump was doing better in the South and Arizona than he is now on average but if the ABC poll putting him back in front in Florida and Arizona is correct and followed by other pollsters then this election is looking more and more like 2016
On September 23rd 2016, Ms Clinton was averaging 42.5% in the 538 poll of polls.
On September 23rd 2018, Mr Biden is eight points ahead of that at 50.5%.0 -
Governing is about winning an election to deliver your manifesto mainly, not about creating universal utopiaDougSeal said:
You also promised in your manifesto that 80 per cent of UK trade would be covered by free trade agreements by the end of 2022, starting with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. That promise was disingenuous at best.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU
The only way to get to 80% of our trade being covered by FTAs is through an FTA with the EU. Because if we don't, then even if we sign FTA's with the rest of the planet then we only have 55-60% of our trade covered - the missing 40-45% being with the EU - unless we more than halve the trade we have with the EU. That sort of massive realignment cannot happen in three years without wholesale disruption that loses votes.
Anyway, we're nearly a third of the way through the three year period and, of the listed countries, only Japan is in the bag, 2% of our trade. Only 78% to go and you are trashing more than half of that.
Some would say that governing should be about the preserving the peace and welfare of the governed - not about cherry picking promises from manifestos in order to make culture war points.0 -
This is why we need to start talking about separation rather than isolation. Even if the government pays people £60 or £70 per day in separation it's going to be seriously more effective than self certified isolation after a positive result. That case in Bolton should have had alarm bells ringing because he isn't alone in ignoring isolation due to "feeling fine".Casino_Royale said:
The Government are trying to scream blue murder at the public in the hope this changes behaviour so no further official tightening is necessary.rottenborough said:
Yep. As @Cyclefree noted based on her family's experience of running a pub.Pulpstar said:Thinking about the pubs, 10 pm strikes me as the sweet spot for taking the party back to Karen's house.
As I said the other day the Dutch looked at this early closing idea and backed away from it precisely for this reason.
To me it just shouts 'look like we are doing something'.
Trouble is that even if it's 90% effective it probably won't be enough as just a small handful of superspreaders can transmit it to hundreds in days.1 -
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The worrying thing about the Scottish CV19 case figures is that today's big jump is due in large part to Glasgow, where the current national no household mixing rule was already in place. Suggests maybe a low level of compliance in parts of that city?0
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Agreed about May. With a tougher leader from the outset compromises may have been possible from the start but it needed someone to show leadership on our side. In the vacuum May left both extremes took it upon themselves to set their stalls out and would only be happy once they'd vanquished the other. Which ended up happening.Casino_Royale said:
I think we would. That aspiration was written into the WA and would have been governed by the joint committee.Philip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.
My Brexit is based on realpolitik and tough but fair compromises of economic convenience/disruption versus independence/freedom that work in the real world.
But, I ended up falling down the middle between the two warring extremes.
(Doesn't help that Theresa May couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst either)
I have more optimism for compromises to be agreed now with Europe, precisely because Parliament-wise the UK is finally more united. The hard leavers vanquished the die hard Remainers, from Grieve through TIG and even the LDs lost their leader and have abandoned being pro Remain.1 -
It's Government policy to get a trade deal with the EU.DougSeal said:
Great, that gets us to 60% at absolute maximum, not the promised/indicated 80%.Casino_Royale said:
To be fair the Government is trying to do that and pursuing FTAs with all of those at present.DougSeal said:
You also promised in your manifesto that 80 per cent of UK trade would be covered by free trade agreements by the end of 2022, starting with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. That promise was disingenuous at best.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU
The only way to get to 80% of our trade being covered by FTAs is through an FTA with the EU. Because if we don't, then even if we sign FTA's with the rest of the planet then we only have 55-60% of our trade covered - the missing 40-45% being with the EU - unless we more than halve the trade we have with the EU. That sort of massive realignment cannot happen in three years without wholesale disruption that loses votes.
Anyway, we're nearly a third of the way through the three year period and, of the listed countries, only Japan is in the bag, 2% of our trade. Only 78% to go and you are trashing more than half of that.
Some would say that governing should be about the preserving the peace and welfare of the governed - not about cherry picking promises from manifestos in order to make culture war points.
It's also agreed continuity agreements with more than you list including South Africa, East Africa, Switzerland etc.2 -
It's not so bad.DougSeal said:
Dido is music for people who don't like music.Nigelb said:This falls into the 'no one could have forecast the increased demand' category.
Shortages threaten Johnson's pledge of 500,000 UK Covid tests a day
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/shortages-threaten-johnson-pledge-500000-uk-covid-tests-a-day
...The British In Vitro Diagnostics Association (Bivda) told the Guardian there would be “a lag” between the government target and the industry’s ability to scale up production and supply.
Helen Dent, its chief operating officer, said: “If there was a steady order based on forecast numbers of tests that people are expecting, there would be a steady supply. But the manufacturing times for both reagents and analysers for the increased number of tests that are planned have a bit of a lag.
“The lag is about a few weeks. It’s a supply chain lag in that everything is based on forecasts. So when there’s a forecast for a certain number of tests, the supply chain adjusts to that. And when the forecast is changed, the supply chain adjusts to that. The lag develops when there’s a new forecast, but then it [supply] catches up. But they have been ordered and they will arrive,” she added...
Any criticism of Dido would, of course be < bluster >"utterly unwarranted"< /bluster >.
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There will be no change then. The big deception has always been that the Conservatives when in government have had full control over 50% of immigration even when we were part of the EU, ie. non-EU migration. They did nothing to control it then. Now we have the most incompetent Conservative Government in history, I cannot see it improving. We will probably just have more immigrants from the Indian subcontinent and less from Poland.HYUFD said:
The government is simply applying the same points system to EU immigrants as to non EU immigrants when the implementation period ends and that was exactly what the Tories 2019 manifesto promised to doDecrepiterJohnL said:
Funny thing, free movement. I am by no means convinced voters and politicians have the same understanding of the concept. A government that increases non-EU immigration while making it difficult to take holidays (even after vaccination) might have done what it said on the tin but not what was expected or desired.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU0 -
Tip for those stockpiling: Morrisons is selling Filippo Berio Extra Virgin Olive Oil for £3.50 per 750ml. Fill your boots.0
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The North/South divide remains and is extraordinaryMalmesbury said:UK cases - by specimen date -
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The Dido we're talking about is to management what Hannan is to intellectuals.Flatlander said:
Dunno, I quite like Purcell, although he's probably a bit old fashioned for some.DougSeal said:
Dido is music for people who don't like music.Nigelb said:This falls into the 'no one could have forecast the increased demand' category.
Shortages threaten Johnson's pledge of 500,000 UK Covid tests a day
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/shortages-threaten-johnson-pledge-500000-uk-covid-tests-a-day
...The British In Vitro Diagnostics Association (Bivda) told the Guardian there would be “a lag” between the government target and the industry’s ability to scale up production and supply.
Helen Dent, its chief operating officer, said: “If there was a steady order based on forecast numbers of tests that people are expecting, there would be a steady supply. But the manufacturing times for both reagents and analysers for the increased number of tests that are planned have a bit of a lag.
“The lag is about a few weeks. It’s a supply chain lag in that everything is based on forecasts. So when there’s a forecast for a certain number of tests, the supply chain adjusts to that. And when the forecast is changed, the supply chain adjusts to that. The lag develops when there’s a new forecast, but then it [supply] catches up. But they have been ordered and they will arrive,” she added...
Any criticism of Dido would, of course be < bluster >"utterly unwarranted"< /bluster >.3 -
or the measures are total boll8x....FF43 said:The worrying thing about the Scottish CV19 case figures is that today's big jump is due in large part to Glasgow, where the current national no household mixing rule was already in place. Suggests maybe a low level of compliance in parts of that city?
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Or a transmission method that isn't to do with that. Schools perhaps.FF43 said:The worrying thing about the Scottish CV19 case figures is that today's big jump is due in large part to Glasgow, where the current national no household mixing rule was already in place. Suggests maybe a low level of compliance in parts of that city?
Opening the schools was always going to increase case incidence and so it has come to pass.
The key is for the govt(s) to be upfront with the public.
Their policy (which as I said I have applauded) of opening schools will have knock on effects elsewhere. They need to explain what these knock on effects will be.
Rather than blaming the public for non-conformance of the rules/guidance/law/regulation.0 -
Nobody's going to fight to get into Kent!SandyRentool said:
The Home Counties' answer to the DMZ.NickyBreakspear said:What about the M25?
Will a lorry going from Essex to Crawley via the QE bridge, M25 and M23 require a Kent pass?
Even William the Conqueror decided that it could be circumvented. I've no idea how many lorries were parked there at the time, but enough is enough. Those early SatNavs though were quite bad. The Spanish finished up in the Americas when all they wanted was to seize the Isle of Wight. Thus imagining total primitives they were a bit shocked!
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Off topic, it's no wonder there's a crisis in care homes.
I went to one this afternoon (it's a direct neighbour) to hand deliver a letter to the manager about an overhanging tree on my property.
The security was as lax as fuck. No gate to the drive. Front door totally unlocked (and open) just a printer sign saying voters weren't to walk in (I could easily have done so).
I followed arrows round the back (where visitors are supposed to go) got totally lost and found two cleaners/carers having a fag and a laugh out the side of a garden room - sharing phones and pictures on them - no masks. No visors. Nothing. I asked them politely and they kindly took my letter.
But, never put your parents in one of those - ever - unless you have absolutely no alternative. They'll bankrupt you but, most importantly, they're simply not safe.0 -
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That's just not true. Non EU migration has been under draconian controls for a long time. Even British citizens living overseas married for decades with children have major hoops to jump through if they want to move here with their spouse.Nigel_Foremain said:
There will be no change then. The big deception has always been that the Conservatives when in government have had full control over 50% of immigration even when we were part of the EU, ie. non-EU migration. They did nothing to control it then. Now we have the most incompetent Conservative Government in history, I cannot see it improving. We will probably just have more immigrants from the Indian subcontinent and less from Poland.HYUFD said:
The government is simply applying the same points system to EU immigrants as to non EU immigrants when the implementation period ends and that was exactly what the Tories 2019 manifesto promised to doDecrepiterJohnL said:
Funny thing, free movement. I am by no means convinced voters and politicians have the same understanding of the concept. A government that increases non-EU immigration while making it difficult to take holidays (even after vaccination) might have done what it said on the tin but not what was expected or desired.HYUFD said:
Well fine, if they want to look to an EEA style deal with the EU and vote for Starmer and Davey in 2024 that is up to them, until then the Tories will deliver what they promised ie an end to free movement and regaining control of our fishing waters etcDougSeal said:
I think you miss the point. The "Red Wall" seats and Canterbury (my home city) show that no party has a right to a seat. Those in the "Red Wall" seats may completely forget why they voted Tory when they find empty veg isles in their supermarkets. Those in Kent seats may well look out of their windows and see massive traffic jams and car parks (as is already happening in Willsborough, Sevington and Mersham) and forget why they voted for Brexit (the latter is happening already if the local rag is anything to go by). Voters have short memories.HYUFD said:
Kent is not Red Wall, all its seats bar Canterbury were Tory in both 2017 and 2019. Red Wall seats were Labour in 2017, only Tory in 2019.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't waste your time. He's following the Tinkerbell Strategem. If you say "I believe inDougSeal said:
No we can't. We can't simply change our supply chains overnight. Take veg. The UK imports about 85% of vegetables from the EU. The Netherlands provide the bulk of tomatoes and onions while Spain sources most of the cauliflower and celery, the two fastest-growing commodities. Lots of this stuff is unsuited for long supply chains - it is either logistically impossible or just impossible. You can't freeze lettuce. Spanish lettuce growers can look for a new market in Europe. We cannot get salad lettuce from anywhere else unless we fly it in at terrific expense, and veg takes a while to grow domestically, so there will be supermarket shortages. (And before you get on Google, yes I know that you can use frozen lettuce for cooking, but its no good for much else, fresh lettuce is quite a popular thing)Philip_Thompson said:He who pays the piper calls the tunes. We are the customer, we can take our business elsewhere if need be.
Lettuce is just one example. You are still parroting on a version of the "German car makers will save us" line. It hasn't worked. It isn't working. We are not "calling the tune".
Negotiations are not an adversarial process and, if they were, we are losing.
In a way I don't actually mind. I have always said that the best way to immunise ourselves from this insanity is to suffer the consequences. And I'm not talking about Covid. I'm just pissed off that by living in East Kent I won't even be able to drive anywhere.FariesBrexit sincerely enough then Tinkers comes down and magics away all of the problems.
A few of you seem utterly bowled over about this Kent Access Permit bullshit - I have posted on this one before. The DRIVER is personally liable for being in possession of the correct paperwork when entering Kent. Both the paperwork (or waiver) and the KAP will be generated via the GVMS platform which doesn't exist yet. Even if it miraculously comes to life in the next few weeks and miraculously passes crash testing with zero flaws in the weeks after that doesn't leave anything like sufficient time for the industry to integrate it into their systems. Indeed as an exporter now we have very little visibility of what will need to be completed never mind on what platform.
Unless Shagger agrees to be pegged by Barnier we, the UK, are Fucked. Never mind "he who pays the piper" and "we are the customer". Yes. a customer who will very quickly be unable to buy stuff.
Fucked. Utterly utterly fucked. I hope HYUFD will now tell us how this is all beneficial to Tory interests as Red Wall Tories will reward them for the partition of Kent and empty supermarkets.
The Red Wall voted Tory to end free movement and regain control of our fishing waters and get state aid for their industries, unless Barnier compromises on the latter that means No Deal.
Plus No Deal does not mean an end to all EU imports, it just means tariffs and a bit more regulation plus more demand for UK farmers goods domestically which would be relatively cheaper and more consumers buying goods from outside the EU1 -
She is to management effectiveness what Boris Johnson is to honesty and statesmanship lol.Nigelb said:
The Dido we're talking about is to management what Hannan is to intellectuals.Flatlander said:
Dunno, I quite like Purcell, although he's probably a bit old fashioned for some.DougSeal said:
Dido is music for people who don't like music.Nigelb said:This falls into the 'no one could have forecast the increased demand' category.
Shortages threaten Johnson's pledge of 500,000 UK Covid tests a day
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/shortages-threaten-johnson-pledge-500000-uk-covid-tests-a-day
...The British In Vitro Diagnostics Association (Bivda) told the Guardian there would be “a lag” between the government target and the industry’s ability to scale up production and supply.
Helen Dent, its chief operating officer, said: “If there was a steady order based on forecast numbers of tests that people are expecting, there would be a steady supply. But the manufacturing times for both reagents and analysers for the increased number of tests that are planned have a bit of a lag.
“The lag is about a few weeks. It’s a supply chain lag in that everything is based on forecasts. So when there’s a forecast for a certain number of tests, the supply chain adjusts to that. And when the forecast is changed, the supply chain adjusts to that. The lag develops when there’s a new forecast, but then it [supply] catches up. But they have been ordered and they will arrive,” she added...
Any criticism of Dido would, of course be < bluster >"utterly unwarranted"< /bluster >.0 -
Oh yuk, that will be very messy.Gallowgate said:Tip for those stockpiling: Morrisons is selling Filippo Berio Extra Virgin Olive Oil for £3.50 per 750ml. Fill your boots.
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Dan Hodges will be polishing a graph as we speak.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
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My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.1 -
Odd thing to do with olive oil.Gallowgate said:Tip for those stockpiling: Morrisons is selling Filippo Berio Extra Virgin Olive Oil for £3.50 per 750ml. Fill your boots.
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The Halloween gear is on the supermarket shelves, though HMG may by then have banned trick or treating, even with masks.TheScreamingEagles said:
October, which is next week.FrancisUrquhart said:So how long do we give it until Boris has to implement no household mixing?
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One can't be Remain; we've left, so someone will, once some semblance of normal politics returns, campaign for Sanity and Rejoin.Philip_Thompson said:
Agreed about May. With a tougher leader from the outset compromises may have been possible from the start but it needed someone to show leadership on our side. In the vacuum May left both extremes took it upon themselves to set their stalls out and would only be happy once they'd vanquished the other. Which ended up happening.Casino_Royale said:
I think we would. That aspiration was written into the WA and would have been governed by the joint committee.Philip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.
My Brexit is based on realpolitik and tough but fair compromises of economic convenience/disruption versus independence/freedom that work in the real world.
But, I ended up falling down the middle between the two warring extremes.
(Doesn't help that Theresa May couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst either)
I have more optimism for compromises to be agreed now with Europe, precisely because Parliament-wise the UK is finally more united. The hard leavers vanquished the die hard Remainers, from Grieve through TIG and even the LDs lost their leader and have abandoned being pro Remain.0 -
SnapNigelb said:
Odd thing to do with olive oil.Gallowgate said:Tip for those stockpiling: Morrisons is selling Filippo Berio Extra Virgin Olive Oil for £3.50 per 750ml. Fill your boots.
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It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
Bloomberg saying planned UK budget this autumn is cancelled.
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You squelch around, too ?kjh said:
SnapNigelb said:
Odd thing to do with olive oil.Gallowgate said:Tip for those stockpiling: Morrisons is selling Filippo Berio Extra Virgin Olive Oil for £3.50 per 750ml. Fill your boots.
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Will it be impressive as the inevitable Alistair Hames trend line showing no uptick but a decline?Alistair said:
Dan Hodges will be polishing a graph as we speak.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
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I thought we knew that - as I'm sure I posted that last week - it's delayed until the Spring by which time they may have a clue WTF is going on.contrarian said:Bloomberg saying planned UK budget this autumn is cancelled.
Because many tory MPs would not vote for it???0 -
Once he becomes Dear Leader, the independent state previously known as Kent will be renamed FaragiaScott_xP said:0 -
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.1 -
How realistic do you want it? I have a spreadsheet dubbed "The Nightmare Scenario" where Biden has a 7 point national lead and due to over performance in California, New York and Georgia (but falling short) combined with underperformance in the Rust Belt Trump wins.GarethoftheVale2 said:
The key question for me is this. If we cannot rely on the state polls (they may err in favour of Trump, or in favour of Biden, or a mix from vendor to vendor) then what is the maximum national poll deficit that Trump can concede and still have a shot at winning the Electoral College?rcs1000 said:
There is one enormous difference between now and 2016: the national poll picture.HYUFD said:
Not a single pollster had Trump ahead in Wisconsin in 2016 the entire campaign and only 1 pollster, Trafalgar, had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won all 3 states.theenglishborn said:
Except there were more goodies for trump than he is getting currently, and that's with most pollsters missing key areas of trump supporters.HYUFD said:
Of course the RCP poll average had Hillary winning the EC in 2016, it was the occasional poll goodies for Trump that were rightPeter_the_Punter said:I see the latest batch of polls up on RCP are calming for those of us alarmed by the ABC polls for Arizona and Florida. This continues a long-running pattern of occasional goodies for Trump followed by a return to the normality of a steady Biden lead.
The monotony should end with the first debate, one would end, due on the 29th I think.
At the moment trump needs for the polls to be wrong again and by the same if not bigger margins. They might well be the case, but 2018 was good for most pollsters in the trump era, so will be interesting to see if they have corrected themselves.
It is true that Trump was doing better in the South and Arizona than he is now on average but if the ABC poll putting him back in front in Florida and Arizona is correct and followed by other pollsters then this election is looking more and more like 2016
On September 23rd 2016, Ms Clinton was averaging 42.5% in the 538 poll of polls.
On September 23rd 2018, Mr Biden is eight points ahead of that at 50.5%.
With a 7 point national deficit.1 -
The LDs didn't "abandon" being pro Remain; they lost the battle to remain. Big difference! The LDs are, of course, still of the opinion that Brexit will be little short of disastrous for the UK, but there is little that they can do now other than to be ready to help with picking up the pieces of a shattered economy.Philip_Thompson said:
Agreed about May. With a tougher leader from the outset compromises may have been possible from the start but it needed someone to show leadership on our side. In the vacuum May left both extremes took it upon themselves to set their stalls out and would only be happy once they'd vanquished the other. Which ended up happening.Casino_Royale said:
I think we would. That aspiration was written into the WA and would have been governed by the joint committee.Philip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.
My Brexit is based on realpolitik and tough but fair compromises of economic convenience/disruption versus independence/freedom that work in the real world.
But, I ended up falling down the middle between the two warring extremes.
(Doesn't help that Theresa May couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst either)
I have more optimism for compromises to be agreed now with Europe, precisely because Parliament-wise the UK is finally more united. The hard leavers vanquished the die hard Remainers, from Grieve through TIG and even the LDs lost their leader and have abandoned being pro Remain.1 -
I mean what else would you do with Olive Oil?Nigelb said:
You squelch around, too ?kjh said:
SnapNigelb said:
Odd thing to do with olive oil.Gallowgate said:Tip for those stockpiling: Morrisons is selling Filippo Berio Extra Virgin Olive Oil for £3.50 per 750ml. Fill your boots.
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Too early for that - outside of Scotland, Freshers week only started on Monday (of this week)Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
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Pre-fresherseek said:
Too early for that - outside of Scotland, Freshers week only started on Monday (of this week)Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
All part of education of young people.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
The question is what will the government say must be given up in exchange? And will they give us a straight answer.0 -
Still strangely fond of gambling, apparently.Scott_xP said:0 -
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Sanity and rejoining seem somewhat estranged to me.OldKingCole said:
One can't be Remain; we've left, so someone will, once some semblance of normal politics returns, campaign for Sanity and Rejoin.Philip_Thompson said:
Agreed about May. With a tougher leader from the outset compromises may have been possible from the start but it needed someone to show leadership on our side. In the vacuum May left both extremes took it upon themselves to set their stalls out and would only be happy once they'd vanquished the other. Which ended up happening.Casino_Royale said:
I think we would. That aspiration was written into the WA and would have been governed by the joint committee.Philip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.
My Brexit is based on realpolitik and tough but fair compromises of economic convenience/disruption versus independence/freedom that work in the real world.
But, I ended up falling down the middle between the two warring extremes.
(Doesn't help that Theresa May couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst either)
I have more optimism for compromises to be agreed now with Europe, precisely because Parliament-wise the UK is finally more united. The hard leavers vanquished the die hard Remainers, from Grieve through TIG and even the LDs lost their leader and have abandoned being pro Remain.
The UK can't rejoin, number one because the EU's broken bits are quite how the UK described them, and number 2 because the UK has blown its bridges to the good bits,
(My guess) The EU will fail. A slightly less arsy EU will then emerge and succeed.1 -
University of Glasgow Fresher's Week 12th September-18th SeptemberFF43 said:The worrying thing about the Scottish CV19 case figures is that today's big jump is due in large part to Glasgow, where the current national no household mixing rule was already in place. Suggests maybe a low level of compliance in parts of that city?
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Nah @Philip_Thompson seems to think Italy are queuing up to copy our test and trace system instead, as it’s the best.Scott_xP said:0 -
That would still be firkin ridiculous.Gallowgate said:0 -
Precisely. It may hit schools but the numbers are miniscule so far there.Nigelb said:
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
It's Freshers Flu I bet. Students have moved into accomodation and this happens every damn year. Not their fault, but I bet it's what is behind the bulk of it.
It matches the figures saying young adults, not children, are behind the spike. The Government would be well advised to tell students who are living on campus to stay on campus until the end of term and to try not to go home for weekends.0 -
A bit early for students to have caught the virus, developed the disease and been tested, isn't it? When did they go back? I thought it was last week or even this.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
I think you should take the credit. You set it up nicely for us.Gallowgate said:0 -
This week OR next week.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A bit early for students to have caught the virus, developed the disease and been tested, isn't it? When did they go back? I thought it was last week or even this.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
NY POST - MAN HAS KEPT NIXON'S HALF-EATEN SANDWICH FOR 60 YEARS
Steve Jenne, from the small town of Sullivan [Illinois], was a 14-year-old Boy Scout when the then-vice president made a campaign stop to Jenne’s hometown on Sept. 22, 1960.
Ahead of a speech at Wyman Park, Nixon was served a barbecue buffalo sandwich on a paper plate during a cookout and when he was finished, Jenne snatched up the leftovers.
“He took a couple of bites and commented on how tasty, how good it was,” Jenne, whose Boy Scout troop was asked to serve as an honor guard for Nixon during the cookout, told the [Decatur, IL] Herald & Review.
“Once he left, I just looked down at the picnic table and everybody else was gone and that half-eaten sandwich was still on the paper plate,” Jenne recalled.
“I looked around and thought, ‘If no one else was going to take it, I am going to take it,’” he told the news outlet.
With Nixon’s half-eaten sandwich in tow, Jenne hopped on his bicycle and sped home to show his mom his unique souvenir.
“I ran in the door and I said, ‘Mom, I got the sandwich that Nixon took a couple bites out of,’ and she was surprised and said, ‘So, what do you want me to do with it?’ So I said, ‘Freeze it,’” Jenne explained.
Jenne’s mother, “in her infinite wisdom,” then wrapped up the sandwich in a plastic bag, put it inside a Musselman’s apple sauce jar and “stuck it in the freezer,” he said.
“And that’s the way it still is today,” said Jenne, who now lives in Springfield.
Ever since, Jenne has kept the Nixon-eaten sandwich frozen — and it once earned him a guest appearance on an episode of the “Tonight Show” with television legend Johnny Carson in 1988.
Jenne even published a book this year called “The Sandwich That Changed My Life!” about the wacky story.
“As long as I am living, that sandwich will be stored in my freezer in a container that is labeled, ‘Save, don’t throw away,’ ” Jenne said.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/man-has-kept-richard-nixons-half-eaten-sandwich-for-60-years/0 -
Perhaps nothing should be given up, except trips home. Deal with the issue and burn it out. The students are pretty safe, they need to be helped to stay contained in their accomodation and not spread it far and wide.TOPPING said:
All part of education of young people.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
The question is what will the government say must be given up in exchange? And will they give us a straight answer.0 -
And you know this how ?Philip_Thompson said:
Precisely. It may hit schools but the numbers are miniscule so far there...Nigelb said:
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
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I think Scotland students went back 2 weeks agoGallowgate said:
This week OR next week.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A bit early for students to have caught the virus, developed the disease and been tested, isn't it? When did they go back? I thought it was last week or even this.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
Youngest tells me his is the only high school in the county without a positive.Nigelb said:
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
Not sure of the veracity, but that schools are playing no part seems a bold conclusion.0 -
A lot of students move into accomodation weeks before Freshers Week. In my town they moved in a few weeks ago despite it only starting this week.eek said:
Too early for that - outside of Scotland, Freshers week only started on Monday (of this week)Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.0 -
My Dad had a cancer op last Oct, became a Grandfather for the first time in Nov, and got Sepsis in Dec. Obviously he was in the vulnerable group during lockdown.
He says being with his Grandson has made him happier than he has ever been in his life (bit of a diss on his son), and he comes round at every opportunity to take him for a walk. So what do we do, tell him to stay away?0 -
Only 1st year students tend to live in student accommodation. Otherwise they live amongst the community. In Jesmond or Heaton in Newcastle, in Edgebaston or Selly Oak in Birmingham, in Fallowfield or Withington in Manchester. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.Philip_Thompson said:
Precisely. It may hit schools but the numbers are miniscule so far there.Nigelb said:
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
It's Freshers Flu I bet. Students have moved into accomodation and this happens every damn year. Not their fault, but I bet it's what is behind the bulk of it.
It matches the figures saying young adults, not children, are behind the spike. The Government would be well advised to tell students who are living on campus to stay on campus until the end of term and to try not to go home for weekends.0 -
I don't think either that the UK will rejoin the EU or that it will fail. Sullen "Vassal State" status is the most likely medium to long term outurn IMO. Constantly fighting the EU is too tiring and damaging so we will just go along with it, while resenting them telling us what to do. It's really not a good place to have got into.Omnium said:
Sanity and rejoining seem somewhat estranged to me.OldKingCole said:
One can't be Remain; we've left, so someone will, once some semblance of normal politics returns, campaign for Sanity and Rejoin.Philip_Thompson said:
Agreed about May. With a tougher leader from the outset compromises may have been possible from the start but it needed someone to show leadership on our side. In the vacuum May left both extremes took it upon themselves to set their stalls out and would only be happy once they'd vanquished the other. Which ended up happening.Casino_Royale said:
I think we would. That aspiration was written into the WA and would have been governed by the joint committee.Philip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.
My Brexit is based on realpolitik and tough but fair compromises of economic convenience/disruption versus independence/freedom that work in the real world.
But, I ended up falling down the middle between the two warring extremes.
(Doesn't help that Theresa May couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst either)
I have more optimism for compromises to be agreed now with Europe, precisely because Parliament-wise the UK is finally more united. The hard leavers vanquished the die hard Remainers, from Grieve through TIG and even the LDs lost their leader and have abandoned being pro Remain.
The UK can't rejoin, number one because the EU's broken bits are quite how the UK described them, and number 2 because the UK has blown its bridges to the good bits,
(My guess) The EU will fail. A slightly less arsy EU will then emerge and succeed.
Having said that, it is a genuinely fascinating conundrum about how the Brexit contradiction gets resolved, if it ever does.1 -
Do we know what happened to the Milliband butty ?SeaShantyIrish2 said:NY POST - MAN HAS KEPT NIXON'S HALF-EATEN SANDWICH FOR 60 YEARS
Steve Jenne, from the small town of Sullivan [Illinois], was a 14-year-old Boy Scout when the then-vice president made a campaign stop to Jenne’s hometown on Sept. 22, 1960.
Ahead of a speech at Wyman Park, Nixon was served a barbecue buffalo sandwich on a paper plate during a cookout and when he was finished, Jenne snatched up the leftovers.
“He took a couple of bites and commented on how tasty, how good it was,” Jenne, whose Boy Scout troop was asked to serve as an honor guard for Nixon during the cookout, told the [Decatur, IL] Herald & Review.
“Once he left, I just looked down at the picnic table and everybody else was gone and that half-eaten sandwich was still on the paper plate,” Jenne recalled.
“I looked around and thought, ‘If no one else was going to take it, I am going to take it,’” he told the news outlet.
With Nixon’s half-eaten sandwich in tow, Jenne hopped on his bicycle and sped home to show his mom his unique souvenir.
“I ran in the door and I said, ‘Mom, I got the sandwich that Nixon took a couple bites out of,’ and she was surprised and said, ‘So, what do you want me to do with it?’ So I said, ‘Freeze it,’” Jenne explained.
Jenne’s mother, “in her infinite wisdom,” then wrapped up the sandwich in a plastic bag, put it inside a Musselman’s apple sauce jar and “stuck it in the freezer,” he said.
“And that’s the way it still is today,” said Jenne, who now lives in Springfield.
Ever since, Jenne has kept the Nixon-eaten sandwich frozen — and it once earned him a guest appearance on an episode of the “Tonight Show” with television legend Johnny Carson in 1988.
Jenne even published a book this year called “The Sandwich That Changed My Life!” about the wacky story.
“As long as I am living, that sandwich will be stored in my freezer in a container that is labeled, ‘Save, don’t throw away,’ ” Jenne said.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/man-has-kept-richard-nixons-half-eaten-sandwich-for-60-years/
Of far greater historical significance.
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No.contrarian said:Bloomberg saying planned UK budget this autumn is cancelled.
Because many tory MPs would not vote for it???0 -
Many students have part-time jobs alongside their studies. A concrete step might be to pay them to stay away from work, but I doubt that the government is sufficiently well organised to take actual action.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps nothing should be given up, except trips home. Deal with the issue and burn it out. The students are pretty safe, they need to be helped to stay contained in their accomodation and not spread it far and wide.TOPPING said:
All part of education of young people.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
The question is what will the government say must be given up in exchange? And will they give us a straight answer.0 -
Still a better outcome than where we appear headedPhilip_Thompson said:
Sorry Casino I normally agree with you but can't here. Necessity is the mother of invention, if we had gone into May's deal the customs union would have been permanent as we'd never get the differentials digitised. Without it being necessary it would never happen.Casino_Royale said:This is why Theresa May's Deal was better: customs union until such time as customs differentials could be fully digitised.
Sunk by the Brexiteer ultra-fanatics and the up-their-own-arsehole Remainers.
What a mix.
It is only because of the deadline that this is becoming real.0 -
Perhaps you are right. But do you think Boris will opt for that, or to lockdown the country?Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps nothing should be given up, except trips home. Deal with the issue and burn it out. The students are pretty safe, they need to be helped to stay contained in their accomodation and not spread it far and wide.TOPPING said:
All part of education of young people.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
The question is what will the government say must be given up in exchange? And will they give us a straight answer.0 -
Demob happy?williamglenn said:0 -
I know what I'm talking about. And it's many of those ones in the community who will have moved into their (often shared) accomodation weeks ago too.Gallowgate said:
Only 1st year students tend to live in student accommodation. Otherwise they live amongst the community. In Jesmond or Heaton in Newcastle, in Edgebaston or Selly Oak in Birmingham, in Fallowfield or Withington in Manchester. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.Philip_Thompson said:
Precisely. It may hit schools but the numbers are miniscule so far there.Nigelb said:
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
It's Freshers Flu I bet. Students have moved into accomodation and this happens every damn year. Not their fault, but I bet it's what is behind the bulk of it.
It matches the figures saying young adults, not children, are behind the spike. The Government would be well advised to tell students who are living on campus to stay on campus until the end of term and to try not to go home for weekends.
Perhaps I misphrased things by emphasising campus which I didn't mean to do. I meant those living away from home. Eg a student who has moved from their home town to student accomodation in Manchester should probably be advised to stay in Manchester and not travel back home for the weekend.0 -
Strange then that the Telegraph is shouting it so loudly, unless...MaxPB said:
Honestly, this is exactly the kind of shit Trump lives for. A British establishment figure that no one really likes any more chatting shit about the US election. This is exactly like Obama telling the UK about being at the back of the queue etc... It's just completely counterproductive.williamglenn said:Prince Harry is volunteering for some invective from Trump.
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Blimey the fact that he has come through sepsis is cause for celebration on its own - very pleased to hear that.isam said:My Dad had a cancer op last Oct, became a Grandfather for the first time in Nov, and got Sepsis in Dec. Obviously he was in the vulnerable group during lockdown.
He says being with his Grandson has made him happier than he has ever been in his life (bit of a diss on his son), and he comes round at every opportunity to take him for a walk. So what do we do, tell him to stay away?
As for your question? He is a grown up and I have no doubt he will make the best decision for him as to whether he prefers to be with his family or on his own.
As should be the case more widely.
Of course, the absolute tragedy (as we have seen very sadly this morning with @Dura_Ace) is that places which are supposed to be safe and where such a decision process should not be necessary - ie a hospital - are fucking well not.2 -
The numbers are so bad that Rishi doesn't want to read them out.contrarian said:Bloomberg saying planned UK budget this autumn is cancelled.
Because many tory MPs would not vote for it???0 -
Government clarification: "Chauffeur-driven cars will be exempt from the laws enforcing passengers to wear masks in taxis"
Well thank feck for that.0 -
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Add him to your bubble; put the boy in the pram/buggy yourself; IANAQuack.isam said:My Dad had a cancer op last Oct, became a Grandfather for the first time in Nov, and got Sepsis in Dec. Obviously he was in the vulnerable group during lockdown.
He says being with his Grandson has made him happier than he has ever been in his life (bit of a diss on his son), and he comes round at every opportunity to take him for a walk. So what do we do, tell him to stay away?
ETA the buggy means they are socially-distanced anyway so just ban hugging, kissing and nappy-changing!0 -
The UK may be 'weeks behind' its target of 500,000 tests a day due to a shortage of vital chemicals and analysing machines, it has been revealed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8764767/Boris-Johnsons-target-carrying-500-000-coronavirus-tests-day-threat.html
Reagent shortage again. Apparently US test turnaround times have slowed to a crawl because of this.0 -
There is no community in many of those areas. Just student lets. Essentially a terraced hall of residence.Gallowgate said:
Only 1st year students tend to live in student accommodation. Otherwise they live amongst the community. In Jesmond or Heaton in Newcastle, in Edgebaston or Selly Oak in Birmingham, in Fallowfield or Withington in Manchester. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.Philip_Thompson said:
Precisely. It may hit schools but the numbers are miniscule so far there.Nigelb said:
First confirmed case in my wife's primary school today.Philip_Thompson said:
It isn't schools.Alistair said:
My wife has crunched the numbers and it looks like this week's surge is being driven by very specifically 18 and 19 year olds.DavidL said:
Maybe the Scottish figures are not so out of line after all. Which just might be good news for the schools.TheScreamingEagles said:6,178!
Locally it is the return of students that is being blamed. A Freshers party at St Andrews seems to have caused a fairly significant outbreak, Glasgow University is bad and Abertay here in Dundee has cases in the student population as well.
It isn't households mingling.
It is Freshers Flu.
It's Freshers Flu I bet. Students have moved into accomodation and this happens every damn year. Not their fault, but I bet it's what is behind the bulk of it.
It matches the figures saying young adults, not children, are behind the spike. The Government would be well advised to tell students who are living on campus to stay on campus until the end of term and to try not to go home for weekends.1 -
No. Meet up with him outside and allow them to have time together (where curtain twitching neighbours can't see you).isam said:My Dad had a cancer op last Oct, became a Grandfather for the first time in Nov, and got Sepsis in Dec. Obviously he was in the vulnerable group during lockdown.
He says being with his Grandson has made him happier than he has ever been in his life (bit of a diss on his son), and he comes round at every opportunity to take him for a walk. So what do we do, tell him to stay away?0
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