"ChronicleLive understands the restrictions will include a ban on socialising with anyone outside your household, whether in a private home or garden, in a public space such as a park, or in a venue such as a pub or restaurant."
No it isn’t. Changing the mechanism by which a breach of law is enacted means nothing.
This is all about dipping Parliament’s hands in the blood and setting up a Parliament vs EU story.
That our government and any of our MPs should even contemplate wilfully breaching this country’s legal obligations is what is shameful. Not the means by which they do it.
"ChronicleLive understands the restrictions will include a ban on socialising with anyone outside your household, whether in a private home or garden, in a public space such as a park, or in a venue such as a pub or restaurant."
That's the same as we had in the Northwest.
Edit: Had or have? I'm not sure. Following the rules either way.
"ChronicleLive understands the restrictions will include a ban on socialising with anyone outside your household, whether in a private home or garden, in a public space such as a park, or in a venue such as a pub or restaurant."
That's the same as we had in the Northwest.
The Birmingham + Solihull lockdown was/is much less strict.
"ChronicleLive understands the restrictions will include a ban on socialising with anyone outside your household, whether in a private home or garden, in a public space such as a park, or in a venue such as a pub or restaurant."
A friend in Vienna says second wave is seriously there now - 43 cases arising from a single Merry Widow production. Indoor restaurants to be closed, masks everywhere, not just in shops.
Just on those polls alone (Dalrymple and who's to blame for a second wave) Labour might as well give up now.
Not against a museum as long as it has plenty of space for the dark sides - might be quite interesting. Obviously not if it's supposed to be a swooning paean to the thing.
Just on those polls alone (Dalrymple and who's to blame for a second wave) Labour might as well give up now.
Dalrymple is quite critical of the Empire, and certainly such a museum could not be uncritical. Indeed we have a museum or two on the slave trade that is quite against the trade!
Do we know who wrote the header yet? I was going with Cyclefree or Meeks but now I`m thinking SeanT.
Not enough profanity for SeanT.
I could be wrong but I don't think it's any of them.
Cyclefree and Alastair always write under their own idents. Why would they change it for this amusing but not particularly provocative header by their standards?
The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggested face masks may be “more guaranteed to protect me against Covid” than a vaccine. Testifying before a Senate subcommittee, Dr Robert Redfield described masks as “the most important, powerful public health tool we have.” His comments came one day after Trump said at an ABC News town hall, “A lot of people don’t want to wear masks. There are a lot of people think that masks are not good.”
Redfield predicted a vaccine would not be widely available to the American public until “late second quarter, third quarter 2021.” The CDC director told senators, “If you’re asking me when is it going to be generally available to the American public so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, I think we’re probably looking at third -- late second quarter, third quarter 2021.” Trump claimed yesterday that a vaccine would be available within “weeks.”
Just on those polls alone (Dalrymple and who's to blame for a second wave) Labour might as well give up now.
Not against a museum as long as it has plenty of space for the dark sides - might be quite interesting. Obviously not if it's supposed to be a swooning paean to the thing.
It could be on the actual history of the British Empire, not propaganda for either of the ludicrous extremes Just a thought.
Once again Mr Trending Stongly Downwards having difficulty with the concept of lagged data sets.
If it has got to the stage of problems in hospitals we are a minimum of two weeks late taking action.
We have multiple examples of US states, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, who all followed the Prof Gupta style advice of "everyone's secretly had it, unlock now for no ill effect" and they all got hammered.
Indeed, I think the rule of six has been introduced at the right time, for once. I also think we should look at much tougher lockdown rules in large parts of the country and essentially close them down for entry and exit for a couple of weeks and make everyone stay indoors again. Better to do that in Bolton and Bradford now rather than do it for the whole country in 6 weeks.
I really think the UK should have a national curfew
I don't really see the point, none of the night time economy is really open anyway, pubs close at 11pm so I don't know what a curfew would achieve other than make life feel like an Orwellian nightmare.
10pm to 5.00am would make illegal gatherings more difficult to arrange and easier to police
It would also demonstrate how serious HMG is taking the situation
On the first point I don't see how it would make them more difficult to arrange, wouldn't they just have them from 6pm to 10pm and then everyone goes home at 10pm? The rule of six laws cover illegal gatherings already so I'm not sure what virtue there is in making life even more awful with a curfew. Curfews also feel very un-British, it would be a hugely unnecessary overreaction and set a rubbish precedent for the future.
So does hanging, doesn't mean we should bring that back.
I'm not sure what the time of day has to do with anything - closing down amny indoor establishments seems more sensible. If couples want to wander round chatting (or indeed more than chatting), that seems consistent with the rules.
But the subtext of the poll is that people are absolutely up for a clear lead even if a ferocious one. I think the impression of policy by random waffle is doing the Government more harm than almost any clear measure would do.
Just on those polls alone (Dalrymple and who's to blame for a second wave) Labour might as well give up now.
Not against a museum as long as it has plenty of space for the dark sides - might be quite interesting. Obviously not if it's supposed to be a swooning paean to the thing.
It could be on the actual history of the British Empire, not propaganda for either of the ludicrous extremes Just a thought.
Yes, but sadly I think we all know what it would be.
Once again Mr Trending Stongly Downwards having difficulty with the concept of lagged data sets.
If it has got to the stage of problems in hospitals we are a minimum of two weeks late taking action.
We have multiple examples of US states, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, who all followed the Prof Gupta style advice of "everyone's secretly had it, unlock now for no ill effect" and they all got hammered.
Indeed, I think the rule of six has been introduced at the right time, for once. I also think we should look at much tougher lockdown rules in large parts of the country and essentially close them down for entry and exit for a couple of weeks and make everyone stay indoors again. Better to do that in Bolton and Bradford now rather than do it for the whole country in 6 weeks.
I really think the UK should have a national curfew
I don't really see the point, none of the night time economy is really open anyway, pubs close at 11pm so I don't know what a curfew would achieve other than make life feel like an Orwellian nightmare.
10pm to 5.00am would make illegal gatherings more difficult to arrange and easier to police
It would also demonstrate how serious HMG is taking the situation
On the first point I don't see how it would make them more difficult to arrange, wouldn't they just have them from 6pm to 10pm and then everyone goes home at 10pm? The rule of six laws cover illegal gatherings already so I'm not sure what virtue there is in making life even more awful with a curfew. Curfews also feel very un-British, it would be a hugely unnecessary overreaction and set a rubbish precedent for the future.
So does hanging, doesn't mean we should bring that back.
I'm not sure what the time of day has to do with anything - closing down amny indoor establishments seems more sensible. If couples want to wander round chatting (or indeed more than chatting), that seems consistent with the rules.
But the subtext of the poll is that people are absolutely up for a clear lead even if a ferocious one. I think the impression of policy by random waffle is doing the Government more harm than almost any clear measure would do.
You say that but the Rule of 6 is pretty clear and see how much bitching and moaning that has generated.
There's a Piers Morgan effect, like Piers there are a large proportion of people who are only happy when they're complaining.
Just on those polls alone (Dalrymple and who's to blame for a second wave) Labour might as well give up now.
Not against a museum as long as it has plenty of space for the dark sides - might be quite interesting. Obviously not if it's supposed to be a swooning paean to the thing.
It would be precisely the opposite.
We might be expected to take off our shoes, don rags and self-ritually flog ourselves on going in.
There's a small market for that but one suspects such a museum would need heavy public subsidy.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
But worth noting the Required Run Rate is creeping up too now. Gone from 6 an over originally to 7 an over now. Wouldn't be such a big ask in the modern game if they still had their wickets but with five down we can hopefully keep the pressure on the run rate too.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
'President Trump has now edged to a one-point lead over Democratic nominee Joe Biden in the latest Rasmussen Reports’ weekly White House Watch survey. While statistically insignificant, it’s the first time Trump has been ahead.
The new national telephone and online survey finds the president with a 47% to 46% lead over Biden among Likely U.S. Voters. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, while four percent (4%) remain undecided.
The new survey finds Trump with 80% support among Republicans and a nine-point lead among voters not affiliated with either major party. Biden has 80% of the Democrat vote.
Trump shows surprising strength among other minority voters, suggesting perhaps that he is attracting Hispanic support as violent racial protests continue in many major cities.'
The comment about Hispanic support would mirror what has been reported in a number of other articles around growing concern amongst the Democrats about their margin of the Hispanic vote.
There is a risk here that the Democrats - in trying to rectify what they saw one of the key reason why they lost in 2016, namely depressed Black turnout - may have made the mistake of neglecting the Hispanic community in the belief that their votes are "locked in". There has been growing concern amongst Democrat sources as to their position in the Hispanic community.
The Rasmussen polls also backs up the view that what other polls have found eg Monmouth with Black Americans most concerned about crime, may be starting to impact voting intentions
Rasmussen recently retweeted some polls they ran from June of this year showing black voters were more concerned about crime than most other groups.
Defund the police? quite the opposite.
Blacks are more concerned about crime because they are more likely than other Americans to live in high-crime areas and thus be victims of crime. No surprise there.
However, this does NOT mean that they support their local police or are foes of Black Lives Matter.
Why? Because Blacks believe that they are not just victims of crime, but also victims of police harassment & brutality on account of their race. In many places across US, they consider cops to be a virtual army of occupation.
Note one incident from BLM protests in Seattle. At one point, protesters were confronting a police line downtown, when a group of middle-aged Black men went to the front and begin addressing the crowd. The cops assumed they were egging the mob on, when in actuality they were trying to PREVENT violence, NOT incite it.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
The "EU" are led by experienced politicians and know this is domestic nonsense.
In practical terms the situation is no more beneficial to the UK than before. If they hadnt done this and the EU "blockaded" NI at some point in the future, the UK would simply implement the measures they are doing now when it happened instead.
So if the EU blockade NI (<1% chance) we are no better off. If the EU dont blockade NI (>99% chance) we have wasted international goodwill and respect for the rule of law in exchange for reigniting Brexit divisions to support an incompetent government and PM.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
The "EU" are led by experienced politicians and know this is domestic nonsense.
In practical terms the situation is no more beneficial to the UK than before. If they hadnt done this and the EU "blockaded" NI at some point in the future, the UK would simply implement the measures they are doing now when it happened instead.
So if the EU blockade NI (<1% chance) we are no better off. If the EU dont blockade NI (>99% chance) we have wasted international goodwill and respect for the rule of law in exchange for reigniting Brexit divisions to support an incompetent government and PM.
And completely taken our eye off the possible second wave and lost focus and control of the testing. Now that's what I call that a win!
Anyone want to offer me odds on it being one of Trafalgar or Rasmussen ? Edit: Rasmussen
The pollster whose final 2016 poll correctly had Hillary 2% ahead in the popular vote?
So, a couple of articles / posts that people might want to read / consider. Up front, these are articles that raise questions about Biden being the firm favourite, so look away now if you don't want to read.
First of all, the USC Dornsife poll which has seen a noticeable fall in the Biden lead in the past several days - from 12.2% on Sep 11th to 7.1% on Sep 15th
It is a tracker with a rotating panel. If you look 10 days previously almost exactly the same cycle played out, from huge Biden lead to tightening the into the current cycle.
Not disagreeing with you Alistair, I'm waiting to see what happens next. But a few days back, people on here were quoting the 12 point lead Biden had as a sign his lead was holding up.
Multiple high-quality polls have given Biden a lead of 8+ points in Minnesota in recent days. Thats formidable a mere six weeks from the election when there are so few undecided voters. It's arguable that MN should not be considered a swing state.
I agree with you that NV is worry for Biden however.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
The "EU" are led by experienced politicians and know this is domestic nonsense.
In practical terms the situation is no more beneficial to the UK than before. If they hadnt done this and the EU "blockaded" NI at some point in the future, the UK would simply implement the measures they are doing now when it happened instead.
So if the EU blockade NI (<1% chance) we are no better off. If the EU dont blockade NI (>99% chance) we have wasted international goodwill and respect for the rule of law in exchange for reigniting Brexit divisions to support an incompetent government and PM.
You're being overly simplistic. Don't forget the trade deal negotiations are ongoing still and while the EU want to save face with bravado the noises from Irish politicians saying it's not too late to find a deal are quite noticeable.
The last thing Ireland wants is this to end with No Deal and then for this new law to be invoked to have no Irish Sea Border either.
Putting in this Bill is a dirty trick but an effective one. The pressure is upped for the EU to compromise before the Commons has to vote on exercising these powers.
It seems once again the lecture on how to read polls needs to be wheeled out with reference to the midweek blizzard of US data.
Rasmussen has of course attracted everyone's attention by showing Trump leading Biden 47-46. Needless to say, we can't see Rasmussen's crosstabs because they are behind a paywall but they claim a 2% Margin of Error (MoE) having polled 2500 Likely voters so the true values are Biden (44-48) and Trump (45-49) so in effect a dead heat or a 3-point Biden lead or a 5-point Trump lead.
This is why those who trumpet this pollster or that pollster "got it right" in 2016 are talking so much unadulterated crap. Most of the pollsters got the final vote right within MoE. Monmouth had Clinton winning 50-44 in their final poll with a 3% MoE. The Economist/YouGov had Clinton winning 49-45 with a 1.7% MoE so both were correct within the range of possible results.
Rasmussen's daily Presidential approval has Trump at +6 (52-46) whereas both Gallup and YouGov have very different numbers with the latter at -9 and the former at -14 so it's a significant divergence. Some will claim pollsters like Rasmussen and Trafalgar are somehow able to "find" "shy" Trump voters in a way other pollsters can't. Others might argue they are simply over-sampling pro-Trump groups.
The Economist/YouGov poll doesn't skimp on its crosstabs:
Biden leads 50-41 among Registered voters and 51-42 among Likely voters. Trump leads White voters 49-42 but that's a 7% swing to Biden since 2016 and that's in the biggest voting demographic. Among Hispanics Biden leads 64-25 (compared with Clinton's 65-29 last time) but it's got 10% Undecided so a significant group of voters to win over.
The sample split among Registered voters is 40% Democrat, 35% Independent (backing Biden 41-37 but with 15% Undecided so again another group for the activists) and 25% Republican.
Margin of Error is 3.7% on a sample size of 1190 voters.
Elsewhere, the Hill/Harris X poll has Biden up 45-39.
This is a large poll by American standards of 3758 voters with a 1.6% MoE. Worth noting the fall off in Biden's lead among seniors but that seems to have been less a direct move to Trump than a move to the Undecideds.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
Looking up my Ladybird guide to antisemitism, isn't suggesting that Jews' primary loyalty is to Israel rather than the country in which they live one of the more egregious symptoms of this disease?
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
Looking up my Ladybird guide to antisemitism, isn't suggesting that Jews' primary loyalty is to Israel rather than the country in which they live one of the more egregious symptoms of this disease?
Yup.
I can't imagine why Trump supporters chant(ed) 'Jews will not replace us.'
Anyone want to offer me odds on it being one of Trafalgar or Rasmussen ? Edit: Rasmussen
The pollster whose final 2016 poll correctly had Hillary 2% ahead in the popular vote?
So, a couple of articles / posts that people might want to read / consider. Up front, these are articles that raise questions about Biden being the firm favourite, so look away now if you don't want to read.
First of all, the USC Dornsife poll which has seen a noticeable fall in the Biden lead in the past several days - from 12.2% on Sep 11th to 7.1% on Sep 15th
It is a tracker with a rotating panel. If you look 10 days previously almost exactly the same cycle played out, from huge Biden lead to tightening the into the current cycle.
Not disagreeing with you Alistair, I'm waiting to see what happens next. But a few days back, people on here were quoting the 12 point lead Biden had as a sign his lead was holding up.
Multiple high-quality polls have given Biden a lead of 8+ points in Minnesota in recent days. Thats formidable a mere six weeks from the election when there are so few undecided voters. It's arguable that MN should not be considered a swing state.
I agree with you that NV is worry for Biden however.
Once I see the Voter registration numbers for Nevada then I will chose to be worried or not about Biden winning.
The polls for 2018 were horribly wrong for Nevada and pretty rank in 2016 (CNN/ORC had Trump winning by 6)
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
"Sanity" as you put it won't be an option for four years. Even then if the Tories win the next election it won't be an option either.
Do we know who wrote the header yet? I was going with Cyclefree or Meeks but now I`m thinking SeanT.
Nah. The one thing he’s proven is that he only has the one distinctive writing style.
the title is an allusion to the Jennings series, suggesting a male of a certain age. I reckon Sunil, who is rather fond of parodies.
Ah, but did the author write the title or was that a bit of pb mod subbing? The first line is from Python, and the body looks a bit PG Wodehousian, if that's a word.
Do we know who wrote the header yet? I was going with Cyclefree or Meeks but now I`m thinking SeanT.
Nah. The one thing he’s proven is that he only has the one distinctive writing style.
the title is an allusion to the Jennings series, suggesting a male of a certain age. I reckon Sunil, who is rather fond of parodies.
Ah, but did the author write the title or was that a bit of pb mod subbing? The first line is from Python, and the body looks a bit PG Wodehousian, if that's a word.
There's a Leave it to Jeeves P.G. Wodehouse book, just saying.
Do we know who wrote the header yet? I was going with Cyclefree or Meeks but now I`m thinking SeanT.
Nah. The one thing he’s proven is that he only has the one distinctive writing style.
the title is an allusion to the Jennings series, suggesting a male of a certain age. I reckon Sunil, who is rather fond of parodies.
Ah, but did the author write the title or was that a bit of pb mod subbing? The first line is from Python, and the body looks a bit PG Wodehousian, if that's a word.
I only added the 'And now for something for completely different', everything else was written by the PB regular.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
How is Boris appeasing the EU? I think he's doing the opposite.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
"Sanity" as you put it won't be an option for four years. Even then if the Tories win the next election it won't be an option either.
You think they'll wait four years?
Well you've been wrong about everything so far. "We hold all the cards" indeed.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
Yes but we need to be a bit careful chucking accusations around, especially on a demographic site where we do treat Blacks, Hispanics, Women and so on as homogenous blocs. Especially now we do not need to denigrate Jeremy Corbyn.
More curious and perhaps more revealing about President Trump's view of demographics and the transactional nature of politics and indeed life itself is when he explained that recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was done to please the Evangelicals because it turned out the Jews did not care.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
"Sanity" as you put it won't be an option for four years. Even then if the Tories win the next election it won't be an option either.
You think they'll wait four years?
Well you've been wrong about everything so far. "We hold all the cards" indeed.
I've been wrong on nothing yet. This is the first time since the 2017 election the Government has been as tough as I've been advocating for years - and the after effects haven't played out yet.
Anyone want to offer me odds on it being one of Trafalgar or Rasmussen ? Edit: Rasmussen
The pollster whose final 2016 poll correctly had Hillary 2% ahead in the popular vote?
So, a couple of articles / posts that people might want to read / consider. Up front, these are articles that raise questions about Biden being the firm favourite, so look away now if you don't want to read.
First of all, the USC Dornsife poll which has seen a noticeable fall in the Biden lead in the past several days - from 12.2% on Sep 11th to 7.1% on Sep 15th
It is a tracker with a rotating panel. If you look 10 days previously almost exactly the same cycle played out, from huge Biden lead to tightening the into the current cycle.
Not disagreeing with you Alistair, I'm waiting to see what happens next. But a few days back, people on here were quoting the 12 point lead Biden had as a sign his lead was holding up.
Multiple high-quality polls have given Biden a lead of 8+ points in Minnesota in recent days. Thats formidable a mere six weeks from the election when there are so few undecided voters. It's arguable that MN should not be considered a swing state.
I agree with you that NV is worry for Biden however.
Once I see the Voter registration numbers for Nevada then I will chose to be worried or not about Biden winning.
The polls for 2018 were horribly wrong for Nevada and pretty rank in 2016 (CNN/ORC had Trump winning by 6)
Nevada is hard to poll because its explosive population growth. Which has slowed somewhat this decade, but is still reworking the electorate from year-to-year.
All this coverage about the PM having been able to find a "compromise" and "way forward" is a very strange bit of media dislocation, which is also somewhat typical of the in-the-bubble approach our media has pursued to these whole negotiations. This great news of internal party management will make little, or more likely absolutely no difference to the Europeans and Americans ; they still see a bill that proposes to break international law.
Yes but we need to be a bit careful chucking accusations around, especially on a demographic site where we do treat Blacks, Hispanics, Women and so on as homogenous blocs. Especially now we do not need to denigrate Jeremy Corbyn.
More curious and perhaps more revealing about President Trump's view of demographics and the transactional nature of politics and indeed life itself is when he explained that recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was done to please the Evangelicals because it turned out the Jews did not care.
A question. Why do we not need to denigrate Jeremy Corbyn, the man who delivered a Boris Johnson landslide?
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
"Sanity" as you put it won't be an option for four years. Even then if the Tories win the next election it won't be an option either.
You think they'll wait four years?
Well you've been wrong about everything so far. "We hold all the cards" indeed.
I've been wrong on nothing yet. This is the first time since the 2017 election the Government has been as tough as I've been advocating for years - and the after effects haven't played out yet.
Let's face it, if there is any kind of deal you're going to play this off as an act of brilliance, even if it had nothing to do with the outcome.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
How is Boris appeasing the EU? I think he's doing the opposite.
Never said he BoJo was appeasing EU - he's appeasing Vald the Poisoner, just like Trumpsky.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
"Sanity" as you put it won't be an option for four years. Even then if the Tories win the next election it won't be an option either.
You think they'll wait four years?
Well you've been wrong about everything so far. "We hold all the cards" indeed.
I've been wrong on nothing yet. This is the first time since the 2017 election the Government has been as tough as I've been advocating for years - and the after effects haven't played out yet.
Let's face it, if there is any kind of deal you're going to play this off as an act of brilliance, even if it had nothing to do with the outcome.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Compromise with the UK breaking an agreement it formally ratified - under this very same PM who told us it was a wonderful deal - just nine months ago? There is no room for compromise there,. However, they will want to proceed slowly and not blow things up, partly in order not to give Boris an excuse to blame them for the chaos he is causing, and partly in the hope that, if they keep things cool, the UK might come to its senses. But mostly they are simply bemused at what on earth is going on.
Yes compromise.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
Compromise
Irish land border
Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.
Well, of course they will compromise on some points, as they already have. But not on adherence to the WA, nor on their other red lines, notably state aid and the level playing field generally.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
"Sanity" as you put it won't be an option for four years. Even then if the Tories win the next election it won't be an option either.
You think they'll wait four years?
Well you've been wrong about everything so far. "We hold all the cards" indeed.
I've been wrong on nothing yet. This is the first time since the 2017 election the Government has been as tough as I've been advocating for years - and the after effects haven't played out yet.
Let's face it, if there is any kind of deal you're going to play this off as an act of brilliance, even if it had nothing to do with the outcome.
If the EU compromise then why shouldn't I?
You can play this off as an act of brilliance if the EU capitulate to our every demand.
I doubt that somehow. It will be interesting seeing you defending *our* compromises, and then tell us they are crap 9 months later.
Re: the burning question, who wrote the head of this thred, the best way to determine this would be via textual analysis that compares this post against posts & comments made by PBers in the past.
Given the number of (alleged) experts on everything here on PB, surely there's at least one among us capable of such analysis? Provided of course they can spare the time!
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
How is Boris appeasing the EU? I think he's doing the opposite.
Never said he BoJo was appeasing EU - he's appeasing Vald the Poisoner, just like Trumpsky.
He's doing nothing to appease Russia and Russia isn't the country the threat to us that the EU are right now.
Russia is the geopolitical equivalent of 4chan losers trying to stir shit online but not actually doing anything outside of their basement.
Looking up my Ladybird guide to antisemitism, isn't suggesting that Jews' primary loyalty is to Israel rather than the country in which they live one of the more egregious symptoms of this disease?
Presumably Trump's country is Germany? That might explain his complex about Angela Merkel.
Do we know who wrote the header yet? I was going with Cyclefree or Meeks but now I`m thinking SeanT.
Nah. The one thing he’s proven is that he only has the one distinctive writing style.
the title is an allusion to the Jennings series, suggesting a male of a certain age. I reckon Sunil, who is rather fond of parodies.
Ah, but did the author write the title or was that a bit of pb mod subbing? The first line is from Python, and the body looks a bit PG Wodehousian, if that's a word.
I only added the 'And now for something for completely different', everything else was written by the PB regular.
Right so if we strike out the Python line and replace Jennings with (hat-tip @Benpointer) a reference to Leave it to Jeeves, then we are looking for a pb PG Wodehouse fan. Which does not get us (or me at any rate) much further. Wodehouse of course enjoyed a revival with the Fry & Laurie series of the early 1990s so @Foxy could still be right about Sunil. Or it could be anyone else.
"Your government faces challenges on a number of fronts".
The real raw emotions are surging out from underneath the diplomatic-ese here. "You're crap and incompetent, and you've got so many issues to deal with that you're stuffed".
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
How is Boris appeasing the EU? I think he's doing the opposite.
Never said he BoJo was appeasing EU - he's appeasing Vald the Poisoner, just like Trumpsky.
He's doing nothing to appease Russia and Russia isn't the country the threat to us that the EU are right now.
Russia is the geopolitical equivalent of 4chan losers trying to stir shit online but not actually doing anything outside of their basement.
Well I always thought you were a Russian bot!
You have just proved my point. The EU more dangerous than Russia indeed.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
How is Boris appeasing the EU? I think he's doing the opposite.
Never said he BoJo was appeasing EU - he's appeasing Vald the Poisoner, just like Trumpsky.
He's doing nothing to appease Russia and Russia isn't the country the threat to us that the EU are right now.
Russia is the geopolitical equivalent of 4chan losers trying to stir shit online but not actually doing anything outside of their basement.
Weakening and (if possible) destroying first EU, then NATO, is THE prime directive of Putinism. And both BoJo & Trumpsky are both working overtime to achieve this, whether they realize it or not.
Just like Neville Chamberlain was working overtime to further the Nazi prime directive. Fact that he was oblivious does NOT exculpate.
What matters is surely getting this onto statute. If this becomes statute then it is the law.
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
"Maybe if she didn't keep provoking me I wouldn't hit her."
The UK government standing up for all it's citizens of the UK and not being exploited by foreign actors acting in bad faith to put divisions between GB and NI is not equivalent to a man beating up a woman.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
That was certainly the PM's view - Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that is, in September 1938.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
How is Boris appeasing the EU? I think he's doing the opposite.
Never said he BoJo was appeasing EU - he's appeasing Vald the Poisoner, just like Trumpsky.
He's doing nothing to appease Russia and Russia isn't the country the threat to us that the EU are right now.
Russia is the geopolitical equivalent of 4chan losers trying to stir shit online but not actually doing anything outside of their basement.
Well I always thought you were a Russian bot!
You have just proved my point. The EU more dangerous than Russia indeed.
My views on Russia is that they are a crappy bordering on third world nation being ran into the ground.
The EU are trying to subjugate us into following their rules, claim our sovereign natural resources and enforce a hard division within our country.
Russia are nobodies who can't do anything because they're a weak impoverished country that can't afford to do anything of any note.
Maine: Gideon+12 (Swing against Collins since 2014 of 24.5%), Biden+21 (9% swing since 2016) ME-02: Biden+9 (9% swing since 2016) SC: Tie, Trump+6 (8% swing against Graham since 2014, 4% swing to the Dems since 2016) Kentucky: McConnell+12, Trump+20 (2% swing against McConnell since 2014, 5% to the Dems since 2016)
If these polls are right, Biden is heading for a 349 - 189 win https://www.270towin.com/maps/l7Gjr Possibly more with Iowa and Texas very close.
Looking up my Ladybird guide to antisemitism, isn't suggesting that Jews' primary loyalty is to Israel rather than the country in which they live one of the more egregious symptoms of this disease?
Presumably Trump's country is Germany? That might explain his complex about Angela Merkel.
Germans refused Trumpsky's citizenship to Trumpsky's granddaddy. On grounds he was a con artist and whoremonger.
Once again Mr Trending Stongly Downwards having difficulty with the concept of lagged data sets.
If it has got to the stage of problems in hospitals we are a minimum of two weeks late taking action.
We have multiple examples of US states, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, who all followed the Prof Gupta style advice of "everyone's secretly had it, unlock now for no ill effect" and they all got hammered.
Indeed, I think the rule of six has been introduced at the right time, for once. I also think we should look at much tougher lockdown rules in large parts of the country and essentially close them down for entry and exit for a couple of weeks and make everyone stay indoors again. Better to do that in Bolton and Bradford now rather than do it for the whole country in 6 weeks.
I really think the UK should have a national curfew
I don't really see the point, none of the night time economy is really open anyway, pubs close at 11pm so I don't know what a curfew would achieve other than make life feel like an Orwellian nightmare.
10pm to 5.00am would make illegal gatherings more difficult to arrange and easier to police
It would also demonstrate how serious HMG is taking the situation
On the first point I don't see how it would make them more difficult to arrange, wouldn't they just have them from 6pm to 10pm and then everyone goes home at 10pm? The rule of six laws cover illegal gatherings already so I'm not sure what virtue there is in making life even more awful with a curfew. Curfews also feel very un-British, it would be a hugely unnecessary overreaction and set a rubbish precedent for the future.
So does hanging, doesn't mean we should bring that back.
I'm not sure what the time of day has to do with anything - closing down amny indoor establishments seems more sensible. If couples want to wander round chatting (or indeed more than chatting), that seems consistent with the rules.
But the subtext of the poll is that people are absolutely up for a clear lead even if a ferocious one. I think the impression of policy by random waffle is doing the Government more harm than almost any clear measure would do.
You say that but the Rule of 6 is pretty clear and see how much bitching and moaning that has generated.
There's a Piers Morgan effect, like Piers there are a large proportion of people who are only happy when they're complaining.
People want strong guidance/rules that *other* people have to follow, not them...
In 2016, Trump won Kentucky by 30 points so that's a 5% swing to Biden. Maine was won 48-45 by Clinton so a significant 9% swing to Biden. Finally, South Carolina was a 14 point win for Trump in 2016 and that's down to six so a 4% swing to Biden.
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https://twitter.com/ChronicleLive/status/1306276459783352322?s=20
"ChronicleLive understands the restrictions will include a ban on socialising with anyone outside your household, whether in a private home or garden, in a public space such as a park, or in a venue such as a pub or restaurant."
Edit: Had or have? I'm not sure. Following the rules either way.
It closed due to lack of interest/custom.
Or not, as the case may be.
Cyclefree and Alastair always write under their own idents. Why would they change it for this amusing but not particularly provocative header by their standards?
If the EU don't want a dispute maybe they should compromise and so not give us a reason to trigger this.
Redfield predicted a vaccine would not be widely available to the American public until “late second quarter, third quarter 2021.” The CDC director told senators, “If you’re asking me when is it going to be generally available to the American public so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, I think we’re probably looking at third -- late second quarter, third quarter 2021.” Trump claimed yesterday that a vaccine would be available within “weeks.”
But the subtext of the poll is that people are absolutely up for a clear lead even if a ferocious one. I think the impression of policy by random waffle is doing the Government more harm than almost any clear measure would do.
History is a political background these days.
There's a Piers Morgan effect, like Piers there are a large proportion of people who are only happy when they're complaining.
We might be expected to take off our shoes, don rags and self-ritually flog ourselves on going in.
There's a small market for that but one suspects such a museum would need heavy public subsidy.
But worth noting the Required Run Rate is creeping up too now. Gone from 6 an over originally to 7 an over now. Wouldn't be such a big ask in the modern game if they still had their wickets but with five down we can hopefully keep the pressure on the run rate too.
Let us hope both sides grow up and do a deal
Just saying.
This PM and this Government is going to be here until 2024 and even if Boris goes the membership will replace him with someone just as tough as Boris.
If the EU don't compromise and there's no deal and no Irish Sea border they're going to have to either put in the Irish land border or come up with alternative arrangement, which was what the Brexiteers always said was the alternative. If they put in alternative arrangements then there'll never again be an excuse to insist upon an Irish sea border.
So the EU have 3 choices.
- Compromise
- Irish land border
- Alternative arrangements
What will it be? Either way we win. We have no reason to back down.However, this does NOT mean that they support their local police or are foes of Black Lives Matter.
Why? Because Blacks believe that they are not just victims of crime, but also victims of police harassment & brutality on account of their race. In many places across US, they consider cops to be a virtual army of occupation.
Note one incident from BLM protests in Seattle. At one point, protesters were confronting a police line downtown, when a group of middle-aged Black men went to the front and begin addressing the crowd. The cops assumed they were egging the mob on, when in actuality they were trying to PREVENT violence, NOT incite it.
The UK governments job is to stand up for its citizens first and foremost.
In practical terms the situation is no more beneficial to the UK than before. If they hadnt done this and the EU "blockaded" NI at some point in the future, the UK would simply implement the measures they are doing now when it happened instead.
So if the EU blockade NI (<1% chance) we are no better off.
If the EU dont blockade NI (>99% chance) we have wasted international goodwill and respect for the rule of law in exchange for reigniting Brexit divisions to support an incompetent government and PM.
Now that's what I call that a win!
https://twitter.com/liambyrnemp/status/1306189043026333696
I agree with you that NV is worry for Biden however.
The last thing Ireland wants is this to end with No Deal and then for this new law to be invoked to have no Irish Sea Border either.
Putting in this Bill is a dirty trick but an effective one. The pressure is upped for the EU to compromise before the Commons has to vote on exercising these powers.
It seems once again the lecture on how to read polls needs to be wheeled out with reference to the midweek blizzard of US data.
Rasmussen has of course attracted everyone's attention by showing Trump leading Biden 47-46. Needless to say, we can't see Rasmussen's crosstabs because they are behind a paywall but they claim a 2% Margin of Error (MoE) having polled 2500 Likely voters so the true values are Biden (44-48) and Trump (45-49) so in effect a dead heat or a 3-point Biden lead or a 5-point Trump lead.
This is why those who trumpet this pollster or that pollster "got it right" in 2016 are talking so much unadulterated crap. Most of the pollsters got the final vote right within MoE. Monmouth had Clinton winning 50-44 in their final poll with a 3% MoE. The Economist/YouGov had Clinton winning 49-45 with a 1.7% MoE so both were correct within the range of possible results.
Rasmussen's daily Presidential approval has Trump at +6 (52-46) whereas both Gallup and YouGov have very different numbers with the latter at -9 and the former at -14 so it's a significant divergence. Some will claim pollsters like Rasmussen and Trafalgar are somehow able to "find" "shy" Trump voters in a way other pollsters can't. Others might argue they are simply over-sampling pro-Trump groups.
The Economist/YouGov poll doesn't skimp on its crosstabs:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/t0hi1tcqs5/econTabReport.pdf
Biden leads 50-41 among Registered voters and 51-42 among Likely voters. Trump leads White voters 49-42 but that's a 7% swing to Biden since 2016 and that's in the biggest voting demographic. Among Hispanics Biden leads 64-25 (compared with Clinton's 65-29 last time) but it's got 10% Undecided so a significant group of voters to win over.
The sample split among Registered voters is 40% Democrat, 35% Independent (backing Biden 41-37 but with 15% Undecided so again another group for the activists) and 25% Republican.
Margin of Error is 3.7% on a sample size of 1190 voters.
Elsewhere, the Hill/Harris X poll has Biden up 45-39.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/516570-poll-trump-trails-biden-by-6-points-nationally
This is a large poll by American standards of 3758 voters with a 1.6% MoE. Worth noting the fall off in Biden's lead among seniors but that seems to have been less a direct move to Trump than a move to the Undecideds.
As for their options, you missed out the one they will actually go for, if Boris persists in his bizarre tilting at windmills and quarrels with non-existent enemies:
4. Do nothing much, let the automatic effects of 'third country' status of the UK kick in, express regret at the damage the UK is doing to itself, and wait for sanity to leak back in to the government.
Bojo likes to flaunt his admiration for Winston Churchill, same as his role model Trumpsky. So ironic that both PM and POTUS are bending backwards to help implement Putinist game plan, all the while proclaiming themselves to be anti-appeasers.
I can't imagine why Trump supporters chant(ed) 'Jews will not replace us.'
The polls for 2018 were horribly wrong for Nevada and pretty rank in 2016 (CNN/ORC had Trump winning by 6)
You think they'll wait four years?
Yes but we need to be a bit careful chucking accusations around, especially on a demographic site where we do treat Blacks, Hispanics, Women and so on as homogenous blocs. Especially now we do not need to denigrate Jeremy Corbyn.
More curious and perhaps more revealing about President Trump's view of demographics and the transactional nature of politics and indeed life itself is when he explained that recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was done to please the Evangelicals because it turned out the Jews did not care.
https://poll.qu.edu/south-carolina/release-detail?ReleaseID=3673
And from Warrington too. 🤢
I doubt that somehow. It will be interesting seeing you defending *our* compromises, and then tell us they are crap 9 months later.
Given the number of (alleged) experts on everything here on PB, surely there's at least one among us capable of such analysis? Provided of course they can spare the time!
Russia is the geopolitical equivalent of 4chan losers trying to stir shit online but not actually doing anything outside of their basement.
The real raw emotions are surging out from underneath the diplomatic-ese here. "You're crap and incompetent, and you've got so many issues to deal with that you're stuffed".
You have just proved my point. The EU more dangerous than Russia indeed.
Just like Neville Chamberlain was working overtime to further the Nazi prime directive. Fact that he was oblivious does NOT exculpate.
The EU are trying to subjugate us into following their rules, claim our sovereign natural resources and enforce a hard division within our country.
Russia are nobodies who can't do anything because they're a weak impoverished country that can't afford to do anything of any note.
Maine: Gideon+12 (Swing against Collins since 2014 of 24.5%), Biden+21 (9% swing since 2016)
ME-02: Biden+9 (9% swing since 2016)
SC: Tie, Trump+6 (8% swing against Graham since 2014, 4% swing to the Dems since 2016)
Kentucky: McConnell+12, Trump+20 (2% swing against McConnell since 2014, 5% to the Dems since 2016)
If these polls are right, Biden is heading for a 349 - 189 win https://www.270towin.com/maps/l7Gjr
Possibly more with Iowa and Texas very close.
Truly the apple did NOT fall far from the tree.