So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
Really? I can think of a few people who were getting that as senior developers - not even team leads - Java and C++
Chairs sometimes get more but for AIM companies it’s £30k for an NED and for FTSE250 £50k. In most cases it’s a day or so a month - the chair does a couple of days a month.
I'm totally with you. Apart from the last three words.
Oh come on, there aren't films you find so terrible they are actually entertaining? There's lots of movies that are technically much better than Die Another Day which are far less watchable.
Some, yes.
But not that one. They're bloody lucky it didn't kill the franchise for good.
If she's part of the reason why there's no second wave in the UK unlike across much of western Europe, then is worth every penny.
Top value - we need to pay for the top people!
Well why didn’t we get one then
France - daily cases, huge Spain - daily cases, massive Germany - daily cases, going up UK - under control
It's the Triptastic Trio - Boris, Hancock and Dido - saving the nation!
Very, very well said and matter of fact Ave_it. A shame a couple of bitter people chose to tag your simple matter of facts as spam - wear it as a badge of honour it simply means they have no way of refuting what you're saying. Because you're right and they hate that you're right.
Thank you Philip
Sadly we have an increasing number of wokeristas on here who don't like and/or can't tolerate opposing views. Also clearly they have no sense of humour. Typical left!
Also the fact that flagging is anonymous makes them look like real brave boys! (or girls, you never know)!
Flagging isn’t anonymous just hold on it and it tells you who flagged you, well it does for likes.
Liking isn't anonymous, flagging is. Flagging also spams our hosts with emails as its meant to be used only to identify serious problems, not opinions you disagree with, so its incredibly rude to them too.
The flagging won’t be anonymous to the moderators, unless Vanilla is different to every other forum software!
Yes, it’s supposed to be for anything potentially libellous, grossly offensive or link spam, not simply disagreements of opinion. At least not unless you want to upset the moderators and administrators.
Oh indeed.
The thing that Vanilla is messed up with IMO is showing a tally on flags, it encourages some people to use it perversely. I've long been a moderator at another site using vBulletin for its software and with vB if someone flags something I'll receive an email and a notification on the forum but for normal users they'll be non-the-wiser that somethings been flagged.
Flags shouldn't be used as some sort of messed up scorecard of hate, they're there for serious breaches of the rules.
I'm totally with you. Apart from the last three words.
Oh come on, there aren't films you find so terrible they are actually entertaining? There's lots of movies that are technically much better than Die Another Day which are far less watchable.
Some, yes.
But not that one. They're bloody lucky it didn't kill the franchise for good.
You mean that an invisible car wasn't a believable feat of British engineering?
Brosnan was to me the second-best Bond, but that film was the worst of all. Terrible, terrible film.
"President Trump's Thursday night convention speech making the case for his reelection was lower-rated than his challenger Joe Biden's speech one week ago, according to overnight Nielsen ratings.
"About 21.6 million viewers watched coverage of Trump's RNC address across nine cable and broadcast networks, down from 23.6 million viewers who watched Biden's DNC address on the same nine networks.
"The totals may fluctuate slightly when final numbers are released later in the day, but Biden clearly edged out Trump.
"The Democratic convention was also higher-rated than the Republican convention overall when the audience for all four days is tallied up."
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
That seems low, we have people on double that figure on python development. I guess the skill level is much higher but £650 per day gross is actually much less than I expected, wasted though because she's pretty useless.
£120K for Python? Are they contractors?
What sort of software eng are they doing?
Contractors and it's highly specialised to banking, but not something people can't learn. From what I understand of it they are bringing a lot of the old C++ code into python and at the same time there's a bunch of them working on ML for investment analysis. The latter group is in that higher earnings bracket for sure.
Tbh, we even have regular old data analysts with SQL and R on day rates above that £650 figure as well. The demand for anyone with data skills is absolutely phenomenal right now, I just took on two juniors who seemed very happy to actually get jobs but because they have a reasonable understanding of SQL they got the job.
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
Really? I can think of a few people who were getting that as senior developers - not even team leads - Java and C++
Chairs sometimes get more but for AIM companies it’s £30k for an NED and for FTSE250 £50k. In most cases it’s a day or so a month - the chair does a couple of days a month.
Harding isn’t being paid much for 2 days a week.
I can demolish any business within 6 months. 3 if I exert myself. How much should I ask for?
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
That seems low, we have people on double that figure on python development. I guess the skill level is much higher but £650 per day gross is actually much less than I expected, wasted though because she's pretty useless.
£120K for Python? Are they contractors?
What sort of software eng are they doing?
Contractors and it's highly specialised to banking, but not something people can't learn. From what I understand of it they are bringing a lot of the old C++ code into python and at the same time there's a bunch of them working on ML for investment analysis. The latter group is in that higher earnings bracket for sure.
Tbh, we even have regular old data analysts with SQL and R on day rates above that £650 figure as well. The demand for anyone with data skills is absolutely phenomenal right now, I just took on two juniors who seemed very happy to actually get jobs but because they have a reasonable understanding of SQL they got the job.
That makes sense, contracting is very lucrative, I hope to get into it some day.
Surprised it's in C++ though, thought you might be on COBOL!
And as we get battered by a winter second wave and seasonal flu NHS crisis, this ship of fools is going to throw in chaos at the ports and food & meds supply problems as a free offering.
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
It is a shitstorm meets an omnishambles.
Or stop listening to the f***ing media quoting unnamed sources.
The media loves extremes. Moderate boring stories on a front page doesn't sell and isn't clickbait.
Last night I said if a story isn't attributed to a named source just ignore it and the same goes for this.
Oh and someone saying something is a "worst case" doesn't mean "this is going to happen".
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
That seems low, we have people on double that figure on python development. I guess the skill level is much higher but £650 per day gross is actually much less than I expected, wasted though because she's pretty useless.
£120K for Python? Are they contractors?
What sort of software eng are they doing?
Python - hmmm... so that'll be a mess of untested, unstructured, write-only code.
Interesting. I recently saw St Elmo's Fire for the first time. I think that movie played a small role in getting Trump elected for similar reasons to those given by Kermode in his review of Entourage.
EDIT: Interesting that he mentions Sex and The City 2 - I heard his review of that, it had me in fits of laughter.
If she's part of the reason why there's no second wave in the UK unlike across much of western Europe, then is worth every penny.
Top value - we need to pay for the top people!
Well why didn’t we get one then
France - daily cases, huge Spain - daily cases, massive Germany - daily cases, going up UK - under control
It's the Triptastic Trio - Boris, Hancock and Dido - saving the nation!
Very, very well said and matter of fact Ave_it. A shame a couple of bitter people chose to tag your simple matter of facts as spam - wear it as a badge of honour it simply means they have no way of refuting what you're saying. Because you're right and they hate that you're right.
Thank you Philip
Sadly we have an increasing number of wokeristas on here who don't like and/or can't tolerate opposing views. Also clearly they have no sense of humour. Typical left!
Also the fact that flagging is anonymous makes them look like real brave boys! (or girls, you never know)!
Flagging isn’t anonymous just hold on it and it tells you who flagged you, well it does for likes.
Liking isn't anonymous, flagging is. Flagging also spams our hosts with emails as its meant to be used only to identify serious problems, not opinions you disagree with, so its incredibly rude to them too.
The flagging won’t be anonymous to the moderators, unless Vanilla is different to every other forum software!
Yes, it’s supposed to be for anything potentially libellous, grossly offensive or link spam, not simply disagreements of opinion. At least not unless you want to upset the moderators and administrators.
Oh indeed.
The thing that Vanilla is messed up with IMO is showing a tally on flags, it encourages some people to use it perversely. I've long been a moderator at another site using vBulletin for its software and with vB if someone flags something I'll receive an email and a notification on the forum but for normal users they'll be non-the-wiser that somethings been flagged.
Flags shouldn't be used as some sort of messed up scorecard of hate, they're there for serious breaches of the rules.
The reason I assumed it did a tally of flags was to stop everyone reporting the same post, which would spam the hell out of the mods, but yes it is unusual.
I did once admin a forum with an SMS alert gateway, back when we didn't spend all day every day online. That was very annoying (but better than the pre-moderation of comments we had used previously)!
The crowd for Trump's speech last night was bigger than the maximum gathering size currently allowed in most USA states outdoors and the maximum size of 50 in DC, though it may have been allowed in Alaska, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska and Idaho, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah and Texas with approval of public officials and Florida (though gatherings of more than 50 are discouraged in the latter still).
Even then however social distancing should be practiced
Here's the truth Boris is fighting against -many who are working at home like doing so, they are as productive if not more productive.
Once the children go back, WFH is going to be even more attractive with the house quiet during the day and with the onset of autumn, who would want the trudge in the rain to the station or the daily sit in traffic when all that can be avoided?
I don't know why Boris can't accept and empower the revolution - there may of course be Conservative Party donors and supporters in the commercial property industry who aren't happy but I'm a capitalist and capitalism is sometimes brutal.
Re-configuring office space for residential usage may be an option or, as others have argued, it's time for some imaginative thinking on our town and city centre spaces and perhaps 25-story office blocks aren't part of the solution but instead are part of the problem.
I'm totally with you. Apart from the last three words.
Oh come on, there aren't films you find so terrible they are actually entertaining? There's lots of movies that are technically much better than Die Another Day which are far less watchable.
Some, yes.
But not that one. They're bloody lucky it didn't kill the franchise for good.
You mean that an invisible car wasn't a believable feat of British engineering?
Brosnan was to me the second-best Bond, but that film was the worst of all. Terrible, terrible film.
I don't see the point of Bond, after the Cold War ended.
As a related aside, I'm writing a story set in the USSR/East Germany in 1952/53. It involves a female Soviet intelligence officer, who foments revolt in East Germany, in order to bring down Beria.
Would you say she is a bad person to do such a thing? Beria is evil, but she knows that she will be killing innocents in the process of destroying him?
Interesting. I recently saw St Elmo's Fire for the first time. I think that movie played a small role in getting Trump elected for similar reasons to those given by Kermode in his review of Entourage.
EDIT: Interesting that he mentions Sex and The City 2 - I heard his review of that, it had me in fits of laughter.
Oh my friend, have you got a weekend of entertainment lined up.
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
It is a shitstorm meets an omnishambles.
Or stop listening to the f***ing media quoting unnamed sources.
The media loves extremes. Moderate boring stories on a front page doesn't sell and isn't clickbait.
Last night I said if a story isn't attributed to a named source just ignore it and the same goes for this.
Oh and someone saying something is a "worst case" doesn't mean "this is going to happen".
As far as I can see, it's not an unnamed source it is the bloke who is supposed to be a Cabinet minister acting under collective responsibility.
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
That seems low, we have people on double that figure on python development. I guess the skill level is much higher but £650 per day gross is actually much less than I expected, wasted though because she's pretty useless.
£120K for Python? Are they contractors?
What sort of software eng are they doing?
Contractors and it's highly specialised to banking, but not something people can't learn. From what I understand of it they are bringing a lot of the old C++ code into python and at the same time there's a bunch of them working on ML for investment analysis. The latter group is in that higher earnings bracket for sure.
Tbh, we even have regular old data analysts with SQL and R on day rates above that £650 figure as well. The demand for anyone with data skills is absolutely phenomenal right now, I just took on two juniors who seemed very happy to actually get jobs but because they have a reasonable understanding of SQL they got the job.
That makes sense, contracting is very lucrative, I hope to get into it some day.
Surprised it's in C++ though, thought you might be on COBOL!
It was, then the order came from Japan to shift to C and C++ to take advantage of the GPGPU/CUDA craze that was taking the banking world by storm, but that was a few years before I joined the company. I think they want to make this the last major transition but there will always be some legacy on COBOL, tbh those guys must get paid an insane amount, there's just so few of them now.
I think you're at the tail end of the contracting golden years, we're hiring permanent replacements for the ones who have refused to come into full time employment. If you really want to make money contracting then inside IR35 public sector is still probably the best bet, you'll get paid to do very little most days.
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
It is a shitstorm meets an omnishambles.
Its almost as if we have a clown running the circus.
Have to say for @HYUFD's benefit I enjoyed an excellent lunch at Roza in Epping High Street today.
While there's the odd problem, Epping High Street is vibrant and busy and survives with a diversity of shops you don't find in other towns.
It's the sort of place which would do very well in a more strongly WFH culture - with more people about and fewer commuting, local businesses should be thriving.
It also now has a pie and mash shop which I regret East Ham has lost and the excellent Zaikaa which I believe @HYUFD has also frequented.
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
That seems low, we have people on double that figure on python development. I guess the skill level is much higher but £650 per day gross is actually much less than I expected, wasted though because she's pretty useless.
£120K for Python? Are they contractors?
What sort of software eng are they doing?
Contractors and it's highly specialised to banking, but not something people can't learn. From what I understand of it they are bringing a lot of the old C++ code into python and at the same time there's a bunch of them working on ML for investment analysis. The latter group is in that higher earnings bracket for sure.
Tbh, we even have regular old data analysts with SQL and R on day rates above that £650 figure as well. The demand for anyone with data skills is absolutely phenomenal right now, I just took on two juniors who seemed very happy to actually get jobs but because they have a reasonable understanding of SQL they got the job.
That makes sense, contracting is very lucrative, I hope to get into it some day.
Surprised it's in C++ though, thought you might be on COBOL!
The COBOL guys would never get out of bed for three figure daily contract rates! A friend's father does this, long after he should have retired but the rates keep going up.
I've really not done a lot of Python, mostly worked with C# and Java, been glad to get into Mongo and TS in my current role
If you want to top up your pension identify a language which is extensively used but going into legacy phase then in 10-15/years time, if you have kept up the necessary skill you’ll have a nice earner with interesting (if we return to some degree of normality) travel options. I know quite a few who did this with IBM Series 1 and AS400 and the languages used.
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
Really? I can think of a few people who were getting that as senior developers - not even team leads - Java and C++
Chairs sometimes get more but for AIM companies it’s £30k for an NED and for FTSE250 £50k. In most cases it’s a day or so a month - the chair does a couple of days a month.
Harding isn’t being paid much for 2 days a week.
Public services shouldn't really be compared to private companies. The nature of strategic decision making is completely different. The NHS can't decide it should abandon cancer treatment and focus on investment in the Asia-Pacific cosmetic surgery market...
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
It is a shitstorm meets an omnishambles.
Or stop listening to the f***ing media quoting unnamed sources.
The media loves extremes. Moderate boring stories on a front page doesn't sell and isn't clickbait.
Last night I said if a story isn't attributed to a named source just ignore it and the same goes for this.
Oh and someone saying something is a "worst case" doesn't mean "this is going to happen".
As far as I can see, it's not an unnamed source it is the bloke who is supposed to be a Cabinet minister acting under collective responsibility.
More like collective shambles.
Yes to be fair the Times article is sourced, to an interview with Hancock, unlike the Telegraph's steaming pile of bovine manure. Sorry for going off on one like that, I should have read the article first.
But again what Hancock is actually quoted on that link as saying (I don't know if there's any more behind a paywall) is entirely reasonable. The headline puts an alarmist spin on it, but "we don't want to see lockdowns, but they may have to happen" might not sell as many papers I suppose.
So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.
£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.
Doesn't seem excessive for that role.
It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair
Really? I can think of a few people who were getting that as senior developers - not even team leads - Java and C++
Chairs sometimes get more but for AIM companies it’s £30k for an NED and for FTSE250 £50k. In most cases it’s a day or so a month - the chair does a couple of days a month.
Harding isn’t being paid much for 2 days a week.
To be fair, £50k a year for one day a month is £4,600 a day, rather than £650 a day!
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
It is a shitstorm meets an omnishambles.
Yes the media is ridiculous.
If you read the article Hancock said that there is a scenario with a second wave plus winter flu which could require extensive lock downs.
That’s a reasonable thing for the health secretary to say.
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Die Another Day was North Korea with the planet melting sun thing and the invisible car
Harding isn’t being paid much for 2 days a week.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/11/hospitals-paying-locum-doctors-record-sums-4000-per-shift/
But not that one. They're bloody lucky it didn't kill the franchise for good.
The thing that Vanilla is messed up with IMO is showing a tally on flags, it encourages some people to use it perversely. I've long been a moderator at another site using vBulletin for its software and with vB if someone flags something I'll receive an email and a notification on the forum but for normal users they'll be non-the-wiser that somethings been flagged.
Flags shouldn't be used as some sort of messed up scorecard of hate, they're there for serious breaches of the rules.
Hugely overrated.
Casino Royale was by far and away the best.
Scriptwriters just haven't a clue without Fleming.
Brosnan was to me the second-best Bond, but that film was the worst of all. Terrible, terrible film.
"President Trump's Thursday night convention speech making the case for his reelection was lower-rated than his challenger Joe Biden's speech one week ago, according to overnight Nielsen ratings.
"About 21.6 million viewers watched coverage of Trump's RNC address across nine cable and broadcast networks, down from 23.6 million viewers who watched Biden's DNC address on the same nine networks.
"The totals may fluctuate slightly when final numbers are released later in the day, but Biden clearly edged out Trump.
"The Democratic convention was also higher-rated than the Republican convention overall when the audience for all four days is tallied up."
Tbh, we even have regular old data analysts with SQL and R on day rates above that £650 figure as well. The demand for anyone with data skills is absolutely phenomenal right now, I just took on two juniors who seemed very happy to actually get jobs but because they have a reasonable understanding of SQL they got the job.
These people are incredible.
Only last night. Yes, less than 24 hours ago, we were told that Johnson was taking personal charge of a campaign to get everyone back to work and travelling into offices and city centres. We can't hold ourselves back from fear. Time to move on etc etc.
Now. Second wave panic. Lockdowns galore only just around the corner.
It is a shitstorm meets an omnishambles.
Surprised it's in C++ though, thought you might be on COBOL!
Marvellous.
The media loves extremes. Moderate boring stories on a front page doesn't sell and isn't clickbait.
Last night I said if a story isn't attributed to a named source just ignore it and the same goes for this.
Oh and someone saying something is a "worst case" doesn't mean "this is going to happen".
EDIT: Interesting that he mentions Sex and The City 2 - I heard his review of that, it had me in fits of laughter.
I did once admin a forum with an SMS alert gateway, back when we didn't spend all day every day online. That was very annoying (but better than the pre-moderation of comments we had used previously)!
Once the children go back, WFH is going to be even more attractive with the house quiet during the day and with the onset of autumn, who would want the trudge in the rain to the station or the daily sit in traffic when all that can be avoided?
I don't know why Boris can't accept and empower the revolution - there may of course be Conservative Party donors and supporters in the commercial property industry who aren't happy but I'm a capitalist and capitalism is sometimes brutal.
Re-configuring office space for residential usage may be an option or, as others have argued, it's time for some imaginative thinking on our town and city centre spaces and perhaps 25-story office blocks aren't part of the solution but instead are part of the problem.
As a related aside, I'm writing a story set in the USSR/East Germany in 1952/53. It involves a female Soviet intelligence officer, who foments revolt in East Germany, in order to bring down Beria.
Would you say she is a bad person to do such a thing? Beria is evil, but she knows that she will be killing innocents in the process of destroying him?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeBy95twFwWbT99loNggepJr5z0ya3ijW
All the rants
More like collective shambles.
I think you're at the tail end of the contracting golden years, we're hiring permanent replacements for the ones who have refused to come into full time employment. If you really want to make money contracting then inside IR35 public sector is still probably the best bet, you'll get paid to do very little most days.
While there's the odd problem, Epping High Street is vibrant and busy and survives with a diversity of shops you don't find in other towns.
It's the sort of place which would do very well in a more strongly WFH culture - with more people about and fewer commuting, local businesses should be thriving.
It also now has a pie and mash shop which I regret East Ham has lost and the excellent Zaikaa which I believe @HYUFD has also frequented.
Very good Italian as well.
But again what Hancock is actually quoted on that link as saying (I don't know if there's any more behind a paywall) is entirely reasonable. The headline puts an alarmist spin on it, but "we don't want to see lockdowns, but they may have to happen" might not sell as many papers I suppose.
If you read the article Hancock said that there is a scenario with a second wave plus winter flu which could require extensive lock downs.
That’s a reasonable thing for the health secretary to say.
But it’s not the message of the headline
Joanna Pettet was very fetching in her Mata Hari costume!