Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
Yebbut they do all that in Sweden too but on a grander scale because there are no masks.
Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
Yebbut they do all that in Sweden too but on a grander scale because there are no masks.
Something does not add up.
Sweden is far more Socially Distanced.
Also Sweden is doing badly. In both cases per capita and economic statistics Sweden is struggling. Sweden will almost certainly have worse Q3 growth figures than the UK does.
Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
Yebbut they do all that in Sweden too but on a grander scale because there are no masks.
Something does not add up.
I have no knowledge of Swedish nightlife or family/friends get togethers but I can’t really imagine it’s similar to Spain, not heard of anyone going to Sweden for a stag night.
Of course, the blame was shared throughout English football in 1985. Perhaps that was understandable, but I can see why fans of certain clubs are still bitter about it.
But as it happens I think Liverpool get too much of the blame for Heysel. My friends were there in 1980 for the Cup Winners Cup Final and they said the ground was falling to bits and completely unsuitable for a major European final. And the Juve fans didn't exactly cover themselves in glory in 1985.
Indeed, one of the earliest indications to me that Hillsborough wasn't the fault of Liverpool fans was when I met a Leeds fan in 1992/93 ish, he said Leeds had played a semifinal there a few seasons prior and Leeds fan experienced a crush, and said something similar happened a few years prior to that involving Spurs.
In a book by Tony Evans (I think) he pointed out prior to the Heysel final both Liverpool and Juventus tried to get the final relocated because it was known the stadium wasn't up to scratch but UEFA did a 30 minute inspection in April and said it was fine.
As for the ban, I do feel sorry for the likes of Norwich, Wimbledon, and Coventry who were denied. An Everton supporting friend is convinced that the ban denied Howard Kendall's team the inevitability of doing a Liverpool and winning 3/4 European Cups in a short space of time.
The irony is lost on the likes of Manchester United fans who chant 'murderers' at Liverpool when their own fans have murdered Crystal Palace and Middlesbrough fans and at one point rioted so badly in Europe that they were thrown out of a European competition, but were allowed back in on the proviso they had to play 300 miles away from Old Trafford.
If they forced united to play in London it would be no punishment at all. In fact, it would result in a considerably shorter journey for most of their fans.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Of course, the blame was shared throughout English football in 1985. Perhaps that was understandable, but I can see why fans of certain clubs are still bitter about it.
But as it happens I think Liverpool get too much of the blame for Heysel. My friends were there in 1980 for the Cup Winners Cup Final and they said the ground was falling to bits and completely unsuitable for a major European final. And the Juve fans didn't exactly cover themselves in glory in 1985.
Indeed, one of the earliest indications to me that Hillsborough wasn't the fault of Liverpool fans was when I met a Leeds fan in 1992/93 ish, he said Leeds had played a semifinal there a few seasons prior and Leeds fan experienced a crush, and said something similar happened a few years prior to that involving Spurs.
In a book by Tony Evans (I think) he pointed out prior to the Heysel final both Liverpool and Juventus tried to get the final relocated because it was known the stadium wasn't up to scratch but UEFA did a 30 minute inspection in April and said it was fine.
As for the ban, I do feel sorry for the likes of Norwich, Wimbledon, and Coventry who were denied. An Everton supporting friend is convinced that the ban denied Howard Kendall's team the inevitability of doing a Liverpool and winning 3/4 European Cups in a short space of time.
The irony is lost on the likes of Manchester United fans who chant 'murderers' at Liverpool when their own fans have murdered Crystal Palace and Middlesbrough fans and at one point rioted so badly in Europe that they were thrown out of a European competition, but were allowed back in on the proviso they had to play 300 miles away from Old Trafford.
If they forced united to play in London it would be no punishment at all. In fact, it would result in a considerably shorter journey for most of their fans.
London was too close, I think they ended up playing at Torquay, Plymouth, or Exeter.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
He would have to declare all his income sources no way he’d accept one yet whilst this troughs to be troughed.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Farage won't accept a peerage anyway.
He'd have to declare all his outside earnings and interests.
Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
The burning need for people to convince themselves this thing is over - so they can go back to their prior lifestyle - is what is condemning us to at least one further unnecessary spike. And so being unable to resume that lifestyle.
If we'd ever had a nuclear attack, within hours these same people would have been in the smouldering ruins of their gardens, having a barbie with their neighbours amongst the fallout.
Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
Yebbut they do all that in Sweden too but on a grander scale because there are no masks.
Something does not add up.
I have no knowledge of Swedish nightlife or family/friends get togethers but I can’t really imagine it’s similar to Spain, not heard of anyone going to Sweden for a stag night.
This paper is worth a look:
"The existing literature has concluded that NPI policy [non-pharma interventions] and social distancing have been essential to reducing the spread of COVID-19 and the number of deaths due to this deadly pandemic. The stylized facts established in this paper challenge this conclusion."
"While the restrictions do not apply to the president himself, any staff members assisting with the speech are likely to be doing so in violation of the act."
NYTimes.
So, everyone else gets into shit but not the Donald. Sounds like his whole life.
Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
The burning need for people to convince themselves this thing is over - so they can go back to their prior lifestyle - is what is condemning us to at least one further unnecessary spike. And so being unable to resume that lifestyle.
If we'd ever had a nuclear attack, within hours these same people would have been in the smouldering ruins of their gardens, having a barbie with their neighbours amongst the fallout.
Pillocks.
I couldn’t understand that people wanted more than the freedoms we had, after 58 days of incarceration then being able to go for a drink and a meal seemed like heaven. Difficult I know for youngsters but even the oldies want their bingo, quiz, karaoke etc forgetting the rules whilst they partake. Many behave as if it’s all a con and even go out of their way to prove they are invincible.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Farage won't accept a peerage anyway.
He'd have to declare all his outside earnings and interests.
And so says @nichomar too. Yes, I can imagine. In fact I'm not sure what his priority now is. To stay relevant politically on the populist right? Or to monetize and luxuriate? I guess both might be doable. At least, unlike his hero across the pond, he doesn't have prison hanging over him. Not as far as I know anyway.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
Sad and blue about being had by Johnson, yes that works too.
But Farage is more of a Manilow than a Madonna sort of bloke to me.
Outrageous. The man is Innocent until proven Guilty again.
I would tentatively suggest that a trial where none of the accused were present or represented and none of the evidence was challenged is not particularly good evidence of anything.
The Greek police are arseholes when I've seen them in action, which was in Athens 2007.
If weren't for the fact there were so many British police out there in an official capacity it would have been much worse.
They were indiscriminately striking people, including young children, then trying to arrest stricken people for being a nuisance is truly special.
My 'favourite' was the Greek rozzer who grabbed official match tickets from Liverpool fans, hit them, then said they were trying to get in without tickets.
Heysel.
What about it?
If I were a greek rozzer who'd heard about it, I'd behave like that. Sowing -> reaping.
But that was over twenty years ago and in the previous six years Liverpool had been to two European finals without incident.
Since readmittance the greatest violent seen involving fans from England featured Arsenal.
And you think the causal factor there were the Arsenal fans? Given what happened at the semi final, I think the opponents were the key factor.
It happened on Arsenal's watch, not all those fans convicted at Heysel were Liverpool fans, but Liverpool (rightly) took the blame for that disgrace.
Of course, the blame was shared throughout English football in 1985. Perhaps that was understandable, but I can see why fans of certain clubs are still bitter about it.
But as it happens I think Liverpool get too much of the blame for Heysel. My friends were there in 1980 for the Cup Winners Cup Final and they said the ground was falling to bits and completely unsuitable for a major European final. And the Juve fans didn't exactly cover themselves in glory in 1985.
That, for me, says everything about football. 39 dead because the premises were a bit shabby.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
As Kinabalu recognised mine was Madonna. Though I dropped the lyrics that would make it overly obvious it was like a virgin.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
Sad and blue about being had by Johnson, yes that works too.
But Farage is more of a Manilow than a Madonna sort of bloke to me.
Well his career as an MP had something of the Bermuda Triangle about it. Lost without trace.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
One of my sons worked fairly near him on whichever Exchange it was back in the 90's. He was fanatically anti-EU then; tried to recruit my son, who was off to Uni 'late' as a Young UKIP rep. Son wasn't having of it it; didn't like either Farage or what he stood for.
Outrageous. The man is Innocent until proven Guilty again.
I would tentatively suggest that a trial where none of the accused were present or represented and none of the evidence was challenged is not particularly good evidence of anything.
The Greek police are arseholes when I've seen them in action, which was in Athens 2007.
If weren't for the fact there were so many British police out there in an official capacity it would have been much worse.
They were indiscriminately striking people, including young children, then trying to arrest stricken people for being a nuisance is truly special.
My 'favourite' was the Greek rozzer who grabbed official match tickets from Liverpool fans, hit them, then said they were trying to get in without tickets.
Heysel.
What about it?
If I were a greek rozzer who'd heard about it, I'd behave like that. Sowing -> reaping.
But that was over twenty years ago and in the previous six years Liverpool had been to two European finals without incident.
Since readmittance the greatest violent seen involving fans from England featured Arsenal.
And you think the causal factor there were the Arsenal fans? Given what happened at the semi final, I think the opponents were the key factor.
It happened on Arsenal's watch, not all those fans convicted at Heysel were Liverpool fans, but Liverpool (rightly) took the blame for that disgrace.
Of course, the blame was shared throughout English football in 1985. Perhaps that was understandable, but I can see why fans of certain clubs are still bitter about it.
But as it happens I think Liverpool get too much of the blame for Heysel. My friends were there in 1980 for the Cup Winners Cup Final and they said the ground was falling to bits and completely unsuitable for a major European final. And the Juve fans didn't exactly cover themselves in glory in 1985.
That, for me, says everything about football. 39 dead because the premises were a bit shabby.
Didn't the rioting by the Liverpool fans cause the Juventus fans to flee, hence the deaths?
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I see the government is generously offering £13 per day to people having to self-isolate.
On top of any other benefits that they are receiving.
What other benefits?
Well that will vary from case to case. They might be on SSP, UC, disability benefit, WFTC, whatever. The £13 a day will be in addition to that. Surely that is enough to cover any additional heating and delivery costs?
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
As Kinabalu recognised mine was Madonna. Though I dropped the lyrics that would make it overly obvious it was like a virgin.
Sorry I can't tell the difference between Manilow and Madonna lyrics so it is all over my head I am afraid.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
One of my sons worked fairly near him on whichever Exchange it was back in the 90's. He was fanatically anti-EU then; tried to recruit my son, who was off to Uni 'late' as a Young UKIP rep. Son wasn't having of it it; didn't like either Farage or what he stood for.
Meanwhile maskless, free, prosperous Sweden is thinking of further relaxations....allowing gatherings of 500 seated people.
Maybe their young people just don;t fancy a nite out, like they do in Spain. Or its more spaced out there innit.
Or something.
Sweden 25 people per km squared England 432 people per km squared
There might be a difference there. See if you spot it.
The comparison was between Sweden and Spain.
Spain is pretty big too. And mask crazy. Ditto France.
Why are they doing so badly when Sweden is doing so well?
Yeh its them youngster going to dem nite clubs innit, before they was closed weeks ago.
or something.
Stupidly night bars with disco music opened up at the end of May (I think) the rules were in place and have widely been ignored despite hundreds of fines being imposed. They are all shut again since 17/8 except where idiot judges have reversed the shutdown. We’re in a period of mass movement of people as Madrid and Murcia second home owners head for the coast meeting up with friends not seen for a year, lots of hugs and kisses and un distanced ad hoc parties on the terrace. There are reasons for the outbreaks, they could have been minimized if people had obeyed the rules, worn their masks and kept two meters apart but they didn’t.
Yebbut they do all that in Sweden too but on a grander scale because there are no masks.
Something does not add up.
I have no knowledge of Swedish nightlife or family/friends get togethers but I can’t really imagine it’s similar to Spain, not heard of anyone going to Sweden for a stag night.
This paper is worth a look:
"The existing literature has concluded that NPI policy [non-pharma interventions] and social distancing have been essential to reducing the spread of COVID-19 and the number of deaths due to this deadly pandemic. The stylized facts established in this paper challenge this conclusion."
And still you have some here saying Biden needs to "stop the violence" when he's not the one in office.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
Or is it a case of there's "good people on both sides"?
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
And still you have some here saying Biden needs to "stop the violence" when he's not the one in office.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
Or is it a case of there's "good people on both sides"?
It looks like at least one politician had some influence over the shooter.
'The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January'
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
Sad and blue about being had by Johnson, yes that works too.
But Farage is more of a Manilow than a Madonna sort of bloke to me.
Well his career as an MP had something of the Bermuda Triangle about it. Lost without trace.
- very little that one can't apply some Manilow to. Enormous catalogue.
But anyway, let's not get too silly. Farage is no joke to be lightened and trivialized with Barry Manilow refs. The dreadful man has landed us with the horror of Brexit and the only question still outstanding is not could it be tragic but just how tragic it will be.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
Denying him one - if that is happening - almost suggests that brexit might actually be a bit shit. Unthinkably.
They had been in an enclosed area for a short period with someone who has tested positive.
The rest of the passengers should be in quarantine.
Would you like to kick everyone off and lock them up? I wouldn't want to be the one to do that (without riot police available).
It's simple, you either wait for the rozzers, or you cancel the flight, tell everyone to isolate, and tell them that they are being added to the no fly list for a fortnight.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
Denying him one - if that is happening - almost suggests that brexit might actually be a bit shit. Unthinkably.
Not really.
Though is he being denied one? Has he put himself forward for one? Surely as a party leader he'd need to nominate himself to be considered as a Lord for his party? Corbyn chose who to honour as a Labour Lord not the Government.
They had been in an enclosed area for a short period with someone who has tested positive.
The rest of the passengers should be in quarantine.
The muppet was wearing a mask and had only been onboard for 10 minutes - but they should have quarantined those in his immediate area, say 3 rows fore & aft.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
Sad and blue about being had by Johnson, yes that works too.
But Farage is more of a Manilow than a Madonna sort of bloke to me.
Well his career as an MP had something of the Bermuda Triangle about it. Lost without trace.
- very little that one can't apply some Manilow to. Enormous catalogue.
But anyway, let's not get too silly. Farage is no joke to be lightened and trivialized with Barry Manilow refs. The dreadful man has landed us with the horror of Brexit and the only question still outstanding is not could it be tragic but just how tragic it will be.
Is this another lyric reference? If so stop it. I have learnt more today about BM than I ever wanted to.
They had been in an enclosed area for a short period with someone who has tested positive.
The rest of the passengers should be in quarantine.
The muppet was wearing a mask and had only been onboard for 10 minutes - but they should have quarantined those in his immediate area, say 3 rows fore & aft.
That works.
We imprison people (after a trial) with AIDS who knowingly have unprotected sex with people who don't know the first person had AIDS, I think we should start doing the same with people who break quarantine like this.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
I think we've done this before. When I pointed out that Farage is arguably the most successful politician of our times I was met with derision while the other names given to refute the claim were, IIRC, Nelson Mandela, Ronald Reagan, Gerry Adams and Margaret Thatcher.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
I think we've done this before. When I pointed out that Farage is arguably the most successful politician of our times I was met with derision while the other names given to refute the claim were, IIRC, Nelson Mandela, Ronald Reagan, Gerry Adams and Margaret Thatcher.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
I think we've done this before. When I pointed out that Farage is arguably the most successful politician of our times I was met with derision while the other names given to refute the claim were, IIRC, Nelson Mandela, Ronald Reagan, Gerry Adams and Margaret Thatcher.
Boris Johnson is more successful.
He's achieved higher office, but has he achieved any of his political aims? Does he even have any?
In fairness that's North-British in the specific sense of the period - the new pan-British name for Scotland, jsut as South Britain was for England. Trouble was the southerners didn't play ball.
I expect this is a minority view, but the North actually starts in Guildford. The dividing line is marked precisely by two high streets that run in parallel. One is clearly in the north, the other in the south. The good stuff is certainly to be found south of Guildford.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
I think we've done this before. When I pointed out that Farage is arguably the most successful politician of our times I was met with derision while the other names given to refute the claim were, IIRC, Nelson Mandela, Ronald Reagan, Gerry Adams and Margaret Thatcher.
Boris Johnson is more successful.
He's achieved higher office, but has he achieved any of his political aims? Does he even have any?
He has achieved all his aims, to get on the telly and become PM. He’s done.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
I think we've done this before. When I pointed out that Farage is arguably the most successful politician of our times I was met with derision while the other names given to refute the claim were, IIRC, Nelson Mandela, Ronald Reagan, Gerry Adams and Margaret Thatcher.
Boris Johnson is more successful.
Nah. He's an opportunist. What, save achieving power, has Boris consistently campaigned for the last 20 years (and more) for? Fuck all.
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
I'm sorry I posted that now. I think you and kinabalu have lost the plot. I have vision of you doing a duet of a Manilow medley.
- sorry.
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
I know. Annoying isn't it.
I think we've done this before. When I pointed out that Farage is arguably the most successful politician of our times I was met with derision while the other names given to refute the claim were, IIRC, Nelson Mandela, Ronald Reagan, Gerry Adams and Margaret Thatcher.
Boris Johnson is more successful.
He's achieved higher office, but has he achieved any of his political aims? Does he even have any?
He has achieved all his aims, to get on the telly and become PM. He’s done.
That makes him a successful celebrity, not a successful politician.
As the Guardian comments today politics is weird just now, and to be honest I agree
Boris has been found out as wholly unsuitable for this pandemic and he is in real danger of his backbenchers calling time on him. I cannot imagine their mail bags (and e mails) are anything but a nightmare to deal with and Boris's star quality has disappeared through his illness and the enormity of trying to fight the pandemic
Boris needs percentages in his favour now more than at anytime as he enters the stormy waters of a no deal brexit and they are wholly absent
However, I do not have confidence that Starmer would be in any better a position and as for Ed Davey I just do not see him cutting through at all
I genuinely hope the conservative party wake up to the dangers ahead and let Boris know that he is on borrowed time and that he is not in anything like the position he and Cummings may think he is
The weird part is that in certain circumstances I could even be tempted to look at Starmer though he is not there yet by any means, and a first condition would be for him to reject Corbyn and his cabal from the labour party
It gives me no pleasure to write this and Boris may prove me wrong, but I am not holding my breath
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
And still you have some here saying Biden needs to "stop the violence" when he's not the one in office.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
Or is it a case of there's "good people on both sides"?
It looks like at least one politician had some influence over the shooter.
'The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January'
Has there ever before in modern times been a US President whose rallies and rhetoric would be likely to feed rather than dampen a disturbed young person's budding white racism and desire to kill in its name? Surely not.
Absolutely tragic and beyond sad. Not even old enough to vote.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
I think that particular N stands for North London. The perception that London is the entire world is...not entirely accurate. An N designation is useful because you then know that the comic strip in Private Eye is aimed at you but it has limited utility in terms of geography.
I expect this is a minority view, but the North actually starts in Guildford. The dividing line is marked precisely by two high streets that run in parallel. One is clearly in the north, the other in the south. The good stuff is certainly to be found south of Guildford.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
If you're a white supremacist fanatic who sets out to kill people, you act like Breivik. If you hang around outside a dealership for two hours, run away from a mob rather than open fire into it, then shoot three people - one running at you as gunshots are fired, a second hitting you with a skateboard while you're on the ground, and a third drawing an illegal firearm after approaching you with their hands up - before immediately surrendering yourself to police, you may just be a seventeen year old who wanted to LARP as police one night and bit off more than you could chew.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
I expect this is a minority view, but the North actually starts in Guildford. The dividing line is marked precisely by two high streets that run in parallel. One is clearly in the north, the other in the south. The good stuff is certainly to be found south of Guildford.
Good grief you have just put me in the North of England by a few hundred metres. Who would have thought it.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
If you're a white supremacist fanatic who sets out to kill people, you act like Breivik. If you hang around outside a dealership for two hours, run away from a mob rather than open fire into it, then shoot three people - one running at you as gunshots are fired, a second hitting you with a skateboard, and a third drawing an illegal firearm after approaching you with their hands up - before immediately surrender yourself to police, you may just be a seventeen year old who wanted to LARP as police one night and bit off more than you could chew.
This may surprise you but a great many murderers, even fanatical murderers, kill people when they perceive the opportunity is right to do so and don't simply go out premeditated shooting like its a game of Grand Theft Auto.
I'm sure if a Black Lives Matter protestor had shot dead multiple people you'd be on here sympathising that maye they had just bitten off more than they could chew too. Or maybe not.
And still you have some here saying Biden needs to "stop the violence" when he's not the one in office.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
Or is it a case of there's "good people on both sides"?
It looks like at least one politician had some influence over the shooter.
'The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January'
Has there ever before in modern times been a US President whose rallies and rhetoric would be likely to feed rather than dampen a disturbed young person's budding white racism and desire to kill in its name? Surely not.
Absolutely tragic and beyond sad. Not even old enough to vote.
Imagine the furore if some soon-to-be radicalised rioter had been in the crowd at a Biden glad handing session.
'Our guy only killed people, possibly in self defence. Your guy....DAMAGED PROPERTY!!!'
I am anti gongs for anything except valour and possibly voluntary work and there shouldn't be a difference between the type of gongs for 'important' people and and the plebs who are brave or give freely of their time for good causes.
I am also anti Farage, BUT if gongs are going to be given out for your political impact (and there are a whole host of MPs and ex-MPs who most of us have never heard of who have got them) then Farage must come pretty high up on the list for deserving one (says through gritted teeth).
Through teeth gritted even more tightly than yours, I agree. We are Leave Nation and Nigel Farage has moulded us more than any other single politician. He has devoted his life to his grand and (imo) toxic reactionary project and he has lived to see it realized. He took the brickbats in the early days, all the abuse, the derision, when the cause was no more than a niche for nutters, and he did not give up. He persisted and he came through. In June 2016 he came through. And I make no apology for breaking into song at this point because the song works perfectly. It's Manilow at his most poignant and uplifting. Nigel made it through the rain, and kept his world protected, he made it through the rain, he kept his point of view. Yes, he made it through the rain and finally found himself respected by the others who got rained on too. And made it through.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Are you suggesting that politically he was in the wilderness? But somehow he made it through?
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
Sad and blue about being had by Johnson, yes that works too.
But Farage is more of a Manilow than a Madonna sort of bloke to me.
Well his career as an MP had something of the Bermuda Triangle about it. Lost without trace.
- very little that one can't apply some Manilow to. Enormous catalogue.
But anyway, let's not get too silly. Farage is no joke to be lightened and trivialized with Barry Manilow refs. The dreadful man has landed us with the horror of Brexit and the only question still outstanding is not could it be tragic but just how tragic it will be.
Is this another lyric reference? If so stop it. I have learnt more today about BM than I ever wanted to.
It was but it's to your everlasting credit that you are oblivious to it - and there will be no more, you have my solemn word on that.
They had been in an enclosed area for a short period with someone who has tested positive.
The rest of the passengers should be in quarantine.
The muppet was wearing a mask and had only been onboard for 10 minutes - but they should have quarantined those in his immediate area, say 3 rows fore & aft.
That works.
We imprison people (after a trial) with AIDS who knowingly have unprotected sex with people who don't know the first person had AIDS, I think we should start doing the same with people who break quarantine like this.
Guernsey hands out whopping fines - the lowest has been £3,000, the highest £10,000. One or two a week.
» show previous quotes Quite so. For people who are always going on about parasites the Tories seem very reluctant to let the SNP administer the medicine.
It is a rip off , we send them 66 Billion , they gives us 32B back and then claim they have spent 49B on us on crap they actually mainly bought for themselves and try to make out we run a deficit. You would need to be a moron to try and argue that garbage.
I see the government is generously offering £13 per day to people having to self-isolate.
On top of any other benefits that they are receiving.
What other benefits?
Well that will vary from case to case. They might be on SSP, UC, disability benefit, WFTC, whatever. The £13 a day will be in addition to that. Surely that is enough to cover any additional heating and delivery costs?
Isn’t the problem loss of wages, not heating and delivery costs?
My ex-girlfriend works in a school for vulnerable young adults. Most of the care staff are on near minimum wage. They cannot afford to take a week off work “just in case” on no pay. £13 a day will not cover their loss of wages. Hence they come in, sick.
This applies across the care industry, COVID-19 or not. It encourages ill people to go into work.
Sandbach Services is the border for me between North and Midlands. The M62, Warrington down to Holmes Chapel and Congleton are in the North. Stoke etc are in the West Midlands.
Watford Gap Services marks the beginning of the South.
And still you have some here saying Biden needs to "stop the violence" when he's not the one in office.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
Or is it a case of there's "good people on both sides"?
It looks like at least one politician had some influence over the shooter.
'The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January'
Has there ever before in modern times been a US President whose rallies and rhetoric would be likely to feed rather than dampen a disturbed young person's budding white racism and desire to kill in its name? Surely not.
Absolutely tragic and beyond sad. Not even old enough to vote.
Imagine the furore if some soon-to-be radicalised rioter had been in the crowd at a Biden glad handing session.
'Our guy only killed people, possibly in self defence. Your guy....DAMAGED PROPERTY!!!'
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
For a white supremacist fanatic, he doesn't seem to have done much damage in the two hours he was guarding a dealership, or even in the six minutes between being ordered away from the dealership by the police, and reappearing being chased by a mob of people both carrying guns and firing them into the air, before surrendering himself to police with his hands in the air (not with his finger on the trigger, as claimed earlier on here).
So after committing multiple felonies but prior to shooting dead multiple people he didn't do much damage? Is that how it works in your eyes?
If you're a white supremacist fanatic who sets out to kill people, you act like Breivik. If you hang around outside a dealership for two hours, run away from a mob rather than open fire into it, then shoot three people - one running at you as gunshots are fired, a second hitting you with a skateboard, and a third drawing an illegal firearm after approaching you with their hands up - before immediately surrender yourself to police, you may just be a seventeen year old who wanted to LARP as police one night and bit off more than you could chew.
This may surprise you but a great many murderers, even fanatical murderers, kill people when they perceive the opportunity is right to do so and don't simply go out premeditated shooting like its a game of Grand Theft Auto.
I'm sure if a Black Lives Matter protestor had shot dead multiple people you'd be on here sympathising that maye they had just bitten off more than they could chew too. Or maybe not.
To me it looks like he was a low grade fantasist. 'Cept this being the US he was an armed low grade fantastist.
Knowing nothing of the details beyond an extensive picture spread in the Daily Mail I wouldn't have too much difficulty believing that he got himself into a whole lot of wrong place wrong time and by the time he emerged he had actually used the weapon that had hitherto been an image enhancer only.
Sandbach Services is the border for me between North and Midlands. The M62, Warrington down to Holmes Chapel and Congleton are in the North. Stoke etc are in the West Midlands.
Watford Gap Services marks the beginning of the South.
» show previous quotes Quite so. For people who are always going on about parasites the Tories seem very reluctant to let the SNP administer the medicine.
It is a rip off , we send them 66 Billion , they gives us 32B back and then claim they have spent 49B on us on crap they actually mainly bought for themselves and try to make out we run a deficit. You would need to be a moron to try and argue that garbage.
Hello Malcy. Hope it's not too dreich in your corner. We Scots were also discusing empire biscuits, you might have seen. What do they call them in your airt?
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Something does not add up.
Also Sweden is doing badly. In both cases per capita and economic statistics Sweden is struggling. Sweden will almost certainly have worse Q3 growth figures than the UK does.
A peerage is the very least this man deserves and it devalues the whole shebang that he has been denied one.
Edit - It was Plymouth
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/16/manchester-united-st-etienne-plymouth-riot-cup-winners-cup
He'd have to declare all his outside earnings and interests.
If we'd ever had a nuclear attack, within hours these same people would have been in the smouldering ruins of their gardens, having a barbie with their neighbours amongst the fallout.
Pillocks.
"The existing literature has concluded that NPI policy [non-pharma interventions] and social distancing have been essential to reducing the spread of COVID-19 and the number of deaths due to this deadly pandemic. The stylized facts established in this paper challenge this conclusion."
https://www.nber.org/papers/w27719.pdf
The death rate graphs between different countries seem to show similar patterns.
NYTimes.
So, everyone else gets into shit but not the Donald. Sounds like his whole life.
Has he been had? Is he sad and blue? Would a gong make him feel shiny and new?
But Farage is more of a Manilow than a Madonna sort of bloke to me.
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1298966004756877313?s=20
I wonder what (if any) sanction he'll face?
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1298969308815646721?s=20
Presumably a K would obviate the need for Nige exposing his unfeasibly large assets to the world.
https://twitter.com/NHSforPV/status/1298996180618158086?s=09
But in all seriousness I do agree that Farage merits a gong for his efforts.
Here is the great state of Georgia's death chart
it looks absolutely nothing like the characterisation in the paper.
What is Biden meant to say to stop a juvenile white supremacist, 'blue lives matter' fanatic armed with an illegal firearm from crossing state lines then killing multiple people?
Or is it a case of there's "good people on both sides"?
'The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January'
https://tinyurl.com/y3e56rg9
They had been in an enclosed area for a short period with someone who has tested positive.
The rest of the passengers should be in quarantine.
But anyway, let's not get too silly. Farage is no joke to be lightened and trivialized with Barry Manilow refs. The dreadful man has landed us with the horror of Brexit and the only question still outstanding is not could it be tragic but just how tragic it will be.
Though is he being denied one? Has he put himself forward for one? Surely as a party leader he'd need to nominate himself to be considered as a Lord for his party? Corbyn chose who to honour as a Labour Lord not the Government.
What a plonker though. There is a stupid, selfish minority that will cause problems for us all
We imprison people (after a trial) with AIDS who knowingly have unprotected sex with people who don't know the first person had AIDS, I think we should start doing the same with people who break quarantine like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_British_Railway#/media/File:NBR_1922.png
Edit: he's an opportunist twat.
Boris has been found out as wholly unsuitable for this pandemic and he is in real danger of his backbenchers calling time on him. I cannot imagine their mail bags (and e mails) are anything but a nightmare to deal with and Boris's star quality has disappeared through his illness and the enormity of trying to fight the pandemic
Boris needs percentages in his favour now more than at anytime as he enters the stormy waters of a no deal brexit and they are wholly absent
However, I do not have confidence that Starmer would be in any better a position and as for Ed Davey I just do not see him cutting through at all
I genuinely hope the conservative party wake up to the dangers ahead and let Boris know that he is on borrowed time and that he is not in anything like the position he and Cummings may think he is
The weird part is that in certain circumstances I could even be tempted to look at Starmer though he is not there yet by any means, and a first condition would be for him to reject Corbyn and his cabal from the labour party
It gives me no pleasure to write this and Boris may prove me wrong, but I am not holding my breath
Anders Breivik didn't do much damage prior to setting off a bomb in Oslo and then shooting 69 people - I guess he wasn't a fanatic either in your eyes?
Absolutely tragic and beyond sad. Not even old enough to vote.
It's pretty harrowing but well worth all 2.5hrs of it.
I'm sure if a Black Lives Matter protestor had shot dead multiple people you'd be on here sympathising that maye they had just bitten off more than they could chew too. Or maybe not.
'Our guy only killed people, possibly in self defence. Your guy....DAMAGED PROPERTY!!!'
I was filling in my tax return, and clicked to make a payment.
The payment was declined. I was somewhat puzzled, until I realized I had entered my card number where it said 'amount to pay.'
Of course, if the bank had accepted that payment, that would only have been the start of my adventures...
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Quite so. For people who are always going on about parasites the Tories seem very reluctant to let the SNP administer the medicine.
It is a rip off , we send them 66 Billion , they gives us 32B back and then claim they have spent 49B on us on crap they actually mainly bought for themselves and try to make out we run a deficit. You would need to be a moron to try and argue that garbage.
My ex-girlfriend works in a school for vulnerable young adults. Most of the care staff are on near minimum wage. They cannot afford to take a week off work “just in case” on no pay. £13 a day will not cover their loss of wages. Hence they come in, sick.
This applies across the care industry, COVID-19 or not. It encourages ill people to go into work.
Watford Gap Services marks the beginning of the South.
MADE SOME DINERS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE !!
Knowing nothing of the details beyond an extensive picture spread in the Daily Mail I wouldn't have too much difficulty believing that he got himself into a whole lot of wrong place wrong time and by the time he emerged he had actually used the weapon that had hitherto been an image enhancer only.