It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
Yes - Ive never been massively interested in th monarchy but was uncharactersitically moved to tears watching her last night. It was extraordinary. Don't think, we'll see her like again in most folk's lifetime.
Has HMQ had the royal minces lasered? No glasses to read the autocue.
Sir Kevin's appointment of Lisa Nandy to Foreign Secretary interests me.
As I read her campaign, her policy innovations were more around things at home and in society.
Did she say much about Foreign Policy?
Foreign Sec is traditionally the post you give to the young ambitious up-and-comer, to maximise the time they have to spend away and hence make it harder to plot against the leader. Does the same apply to Shadow Foreign Sec? Nandy doesn't really seem the type, but I suppose Starmer will know her a lot better than I do.
Really? I thought it was the post you gave to the experienced old hand, people with gravitas, long-standing international connections, very safe pair of hands etc etc. It’s quite an easy place to build up a reputation for being “Prime Ministerial”.
If you’re worried about somebody after your job give them health or education. Home Office a gamble - a potential graveyard but opportunity to be populist.
Yes, that probably used to be more true. This was one of the reasons floated when May appointed Johnson, and before that when Brown used it to get the other Milliband out the way. I'm just speculating.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
What a strange lack of understanding to think that both of those things were solely a feature of UK history and actions.
As usual you completely miss the point.
No - the point is that as usual you have just shown everyone your total ignorance of two major aspects of History.
Even if you hated the guy to that extent and in normal times were taking classes to dance on their grave, one would hope that one could recognise that losing a Prime Minister at a time of national crisis, and with no clear successor, would not exactly be an optimal prospect for the country.
Economic consequences: the Spanish stock market, after closing last week on the downside, opened on Monday with strong rises of 3.45%, which have placed it above 6,800 points, with investors pending the figures of those infected throughout the world due to the coronavirus and its economic impact. The main indicator of the Spanish Stock Market, the IBEX 35, scores 230.30 points, that 3.45% to 6,808.90 points. Annual losses are reduced to 28.86%
The antibody titre doesn't reach a maximum until some weeks after infection. if there's virus in the blood, it's a bloody peculiar virus and the antibody test doesn't check for virus RNA in the bloodstream anyway. Why would it?
But thanks for the clarification - it's a cock-up by the BBC and the Guardian account is merely garbled. As for diagnostic tests … that's why they are validated before being allowed on the market. Oh, and nothing is 100% certain. I will probably die eventually but that's all that is certain.
I still think I'm immortal, though.
Of course the antibody test is testing for antibodies.
Nevertheless it's just plain wrong to say "If you're testing for the antibody, there shouldn't be any virus left in the person's blood"
It's certainly plausible that testing for IgM will be useful in quickly confirming a Covid-19 diagnosis. And more generally, as antibodies are detectable from a week from infection there's no reason why there shouldn't be any virus "left in the person's blood" when you do an antibody test.
The virus is not in the blood, but in the respiratory system.
If you're going to criticise others for the inaccuracies then try to be accurate yourself.
And we all wish Boris a full and complete recovery.
No "we" don't.
beneath contempt
Hypocrisy is contemptible, not honesty.
That's a curious suggestion. If a racist said it was their honestly held view that black people's natural state was to be subservient to white people I'd feel pretty comfortable calling them contemptible.
If they were honest enough to admit it, at least I would know they are a racist. If they said what they thought I wanted to hear, then I might not know. Personally, I prefer to know people's true positions
Back in January when I could see what might be coming and ordered my filtration mask at £9.99 I did think for a few seconds about ordering 200 of them.
Only for a few seconds. Yes, I'd have made a lot of money from the re-sale but my life isn't just about money making.
I bought @Foxy's medical kit but no mask or sanitiser gel. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure where to look for hand sanitiser. Where would it be on the shelves if it ever gets back into stock?
I see France has stopped exports of IPA (one of the alcohols used) btw. So much for EU solidarity. As with America grabbing masks intended for Germany, a lot of countries will be wondering how far they can rely on global supply chains in future crises.
And we all wish Boris a full and complete recovery.
No "we" don't.
beneath contempt
Hypocrisy is contemptible, not honesty.
That's a curious suggestion. If a racist said it was their honestly held view that black people's natural state was to be subservient to white people I'd feel pretty comfortable calling them contemptible.
If they were honest enough to admit it, at least I would know they are a racist. If they said what they thought I wanted to hear, then I might not know. Personally, I prefer to know people's true positions
As do I as I have stated many times before. Being glad to know someones true beliefs does not, however, preclude me from holding they and that belief in contempt.
Honesty is perfectly capable of being contemptible. You presented it as an either or.
And we all wish Boris a full and complete recovery.
No "we" don't.
beneath contempt
Hypocrisy is contemptible, not honesty.
That's a curious suggestion. If a racist said it was their honestly held view that black people's natural state was to be subservient to white people I'd feel pretty comfortable calling them contemptible.
If they were honest enough to admit it, at least I would know they are a racist. If they said what they thought I wanted to hear, then I might not know. Personally, I prefer to know people's true positions
Seems pretty clear that it's possible for more than one character trait to be describable as "contemptible".
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
Yes - Ive never been massively interested in th monarchy but was uncharactersitically moved to tears watching her last night. It was extraordinary. Don't think, we'll see her like again in most folk's lifetime.
Has HMQ had the royal minces lasered? No glasses to read the autocue.
Cataracts done ?? Size 24 font???
HMQ wore glasses for the various Queen's Speeches Boris inflicted on her last year.
Worst of it is I know dura ace has a self satisfied erection right now. I showed them, I'm so cool and edgy, look at em get all mad. Should I have thrown in a swear as well to be extra cool? Nah, it's fine.
Bog standard contrarian stuff. Others are 'expected' to express sympathy, so show them up by not doing so.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
Even if you hated the guy to that extent and in normal times were taking classes to dance on their grave, one would hope that one could recognise that losing a Prime Minister at a time of national crisis, and with no clear successor, would not exactly be an optimal prospect for the country.
And we all wish Boris a full and complete recovery.
No "we" don't.
beneath contempt
Hypocrisy is contemptible, not honesty.
That's a curious suggestion. If a racist said it was their honestly held view that black people's natural state was to be subservient to white people I'd feel pretty comfortable calling them contemptible.
If they were honest enough to admit it, at least I would know they are a racist. If they said what they thought I wanted to hear, then I might not know. Personally, I prefer to know people's true positions
Indeed and know their true position is contemptible.
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
Yes - Ive never been massively interested in th monarchy but was uncharactersitically moved to tears watching her last night. It was extraordinary. Don't think, we'll see her like again in most folk's lifetime.
Has HMQ had the royal minces lasered? No glasses to read the autocue.
On topic, it seems a tad unfair to cast aspersions on those who were already exposed to the relevant markets, and whose positions are now suboptimal in light of significant new information?
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Turn the impotent bellowing up to 11?
Nah man. 12. Oh yes. And not just impotent bellowing. Snide asides. Petty whispers. Angry looks. Futile gestures. The whole shebang
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
But we'll have Charles
After decamping to his second (third, fourth, fifth?) home with the virus, surely he has to resign?
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Just a question on self isolation with symptoms. As this is a disease with affects the lungs/respiratory system, isn’t there benefits to getting fresh air for those cooped up in flats?
And I wonder how the PM’s self isolation has been managed, given that in normal times Downing Street doubles as fairly busy working offices.
The self-isolation advice does make the point of having access to fresh air with a window that will open.
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
It will be interesting to see whether Nandy is allowed to develop Brexit policy from shadow Foreign secretary, or if it's just somewhere to keep her out of the way in domestic policy.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
Yes - Ive never been massively interested in th monarchy but was uncharactersitically moved to tears watching her last night. It was extraordinary. Don't think, we'll see her like again in most folk's lifetime.
Has HMQ had the royal minces lasered? No glasses to read the autocue.
Cataracts done ?? Size 24 font???
HMQ wore glasses for the various Queen's Speeches Boris inflicted on her last year.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Turn the impotent bellowing up to 11?
Following the SNP's lead on getting that second referendum....
Gove at 20/1 or Hunt at 25/1 would be my picks for an emergency PM.
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Both the standouts in terms of calibre but for that reason I'm not sure the Cabinet would choose them. It might be difficult to dislodge them and there's one hell of a cat fight already going on. Hancock is massively ambitious and constantly doing his own thing. Tim Shipman yesterday in the Sunday Times was well worth a read.
Apologies if this point has already been made, but Hancock does hold a big advantage in that he has already had Covid-19.
I wish Boris well, as indeed I would to anyone suffering.
As to the market, it is a standard legitimate market that's just turned a bit queasy in the circumstances. It is important to see the jump in Raab's odds not just as a Boris death market. The important point here is that a stay in ICU, secondary pneumonia, or any of the survivable things that can happen now, could take the wind out of Boris's sails for many months - the idea of his returning to work in a week or two is not in any way a given course of events here.
In amongst the death, there will be many people who survive but who struggle to return to normal for months and years, and many will be of working age. I haven't commented on the @Stocky piece last week - I have no objection whatsoever to considering the higher cases / lower disruption to life path - but some of the consequences of that route do not speak to normal and a massive rise in long-term sickness into the millions would be likely in trying to keep things running.
The antibody titre doesn't reach a maximum until some weeks after infection. if there's virus in the blood, it's a bloody peculiar virus and the antibody test doesn't check for virus RNA in the bloodstream anyway. Why would it?
But thanks for the clarification - it's a cock-up by the BBC and the Guardian account is merely garbled. As for diagnostic tests … that's why they are validated before being allowed on the market. Oh, and nothing is 100% certain. I will probably die eventually but that's all that is certain.
I still think I'm immortal, though.
Of course the antibody test is testing for antibodies.
Nevertheless it's just plain wrong to say "If you're testing for the antibody, there shouldn't be any virus left in the person's blood"
It's certainly plausible that testing for IgM will be useful in quickly confirming a Covid-19 diagnosis. And more generally, as antibodies are detectable from a week from infection there's no reason why there shouldn't be any virus "left in the person's blood" when you do an antibody test.
The virus is not in the blood, but in the respiratory system....
I think it's been detected in the blood of around half of those who've tested positive (insofar as they've checked). I don't think it's unusual to find respiratory viruses in the bloodstream, though I the percentage of patients it's found in isn't usually that high ?
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
It wasn't overlooked by me.
I thought it was one of her best ever addresses.
Remarkable how, despite appearing completely inscrutable, her address was so effective.
One thing we can say: with Boris in hospital and Cummings in isolation, I'd say the "let nature take its course, go for herd immunity" option is no longer an option.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Turn the impotent bellowing up to 11?
Following the SNP's lead on getting that second referendum....
I'd say comparing HMG to the authortarian, repressive, centralizing Communist Party of China is a bit overblown, but chacun a son gout.
It has been overlooked given the later news, but the country is really going to miss the Queen when anno domini eventually catches up with her. Her address was masterly.
It wasn't overlooked by me.
I thought it was one of her best ever addresses.
Remarkable how, despite appearing completely inscrutable, her address was so effective.
Also a rather shrewd bit of positioning for the monarchy to link itself to the NHS like that.
Wouldn't want to be Airbus (or Boeing) right now. They'll be praying for military contracts to hold up, because the commercial ones are all going to get cancelled as airlines go bust or reduce in size.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India's potential is not in its direct trade with China but more its billion people. On current trends India is expected very soon to overtake China as the world's most populous nation - it may already be in fact.
If we were to seek an economic cold war with China (and I don't see it happening) then it isn't simply about consumerism, we would need to diversify production lines away from China. India could be an alternative trading partner.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India will soon be the 3rd largest global economy, the US is the biggest global economy, a squeeze from them, the EU, the UK and Japan on China with economic sanctions if they do not close wet markets and improve lab safety would hit Beijing
Wouldn't want to be Airbus (or Boeing) right now. They'll be praying for military contracts to hold up, because the commercial ones are all going to get cancelled as airlines go bust or reduce in size.
They are in a far better position than the airlines, though, as governments will want to preserve the industrial (and technological) capacity.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
Back in January when I could see what might be coming and ordered my filtration mask at £9.99 I did think for a few seconds about ordering 200 of them.
Only for a few seconds. Yes, I'd have made a lot of money from the re-sale but my life isn't just about money making.
I bought @Foxy's medical kit but no mask or sanitiser gel. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure where to look for hand sanitiser. Where would it be on the shelves if it ever gets back into stock?
I see France has stopped exports of IPA (one of the alcohols used) btw. So much for EU solidarity. As with America grabbing masks intended for Germany, a lot of countries will be wondering how far they can rely on global supply chains in future crises.
As one who drinks in a Greene King pub (force majeure, admittedly) I was initially startled by the reference to French IPA! Gather that there was a fire in one of the main places making isopropyl alcohol early this/late last year, which hasn't helped the supply situation. Grandson-in-law (acting) sells the stuff. When he can. And finally, bought our hand sanitiser from a firm selling janitorial supplies.
Wouldn't want to be Airbus (or Boeing) right now. They'll be praying for military contracts to hold up, because the commercial ones are all going to get cancelled as airlines go bust or reduce in size.
They are in a far better position than the airlines, though, as governments will want to preserve the industrial (and technological) capacity.
Absolutely. Airlines will come and go, even the big ones, but governments are going to want to hold on to high-tech manufacturing capability. Expect military orders for Airbus (and Boeing) to be strong this year, as governments seek to prop them up and keep as many people employed as possible.
Even if the A400M is still a pile of unreliable crap.
Arron Banks doesn't seem to have grasped that the reason the virus won't kill that many is because of the steps taken.
And, of course, on his logic, why on Earth should we commemorate VE Day or anything about WWII? On average, it killed 75,000 Brits per year for six years, way below the numbers he's citing.
Wouldn't want to be Airbus (or Boeing) right now. They'll be praying for military contracts to hold up, because the commercial ones are all going to get cancelled as airlines go bust or reduce in size.
Tempest and FCAS and going to have to be (somehow) mashed together because there aren't going to be two European 6th gens.
Airbus Military's catalog is pretty slim beyond that. Every who wants an A400M now has more than they need, A330MRTT is a solid platform but who else is going to buy it? Then there's that extra C295 that Kazakhstan keep promising to buy.
Boeing DS&S have KC-46, T-7, F-15EX and will probably get one of F/A-XX or NGAD. They look relatively healthy.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 83 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
Interesting if that age factor is reflected in India as the conditions suffered by 50-55 year olds may reflect those in western words 80+ generation.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
That the average life expectancy in India is only 55, suggests that many people in their 40s and 50s are already seriously ill.
It's only over 80s with a high death rate in Western countries with good medical systems - if this goes around India as it has everywhere else, it's not unreasonable to expect tens of millions of deaths.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India's potential is not in its direct trade with China but more its billion people. On current trends India is expected very soon to overtake China as the world's most populous nation - it may already be in fact.
If we were to seek an economic cold war with China (and I don't see it happening) then it isn't simply about consumerism, we would need to diversify production lines away from China. India could be an alternative trading partner.
Except that India has spent a lot of time and effort building up a services based export economy, which is one thing we definitely don't need. They don't really make much that we want, and I'm not clear what it is that they would want to buy from us (in large quantities, that isn't already being traded).
India will soon be the 3rd largest global economy, the US is the biggest global economy, a squeeze from them, the EU, the UK and Japan on China with economic sanctions if they do not close wet markets and improve lab safety would hit Beijing
I don't know about the EU and the UK but I am highly confident that Japan is not going to do that.
After all the reports that Sturgeon was having a good crisis, she's messed up this one quite spectacularly. How did she not think that the story would be top of the news until Calderwood quit?
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
That the average life expectancy in India is only 55, suggests that many people in their 40s and 50s are already seriously ill.
It's only over 80s with a high death rate in Western countries with good medical systems - if this goes around India as it has everywhere else, it's not unreasonable to expect tens of millions of deaths.
It is high BMI and diabetes and cancer and heart conditions that increase your chances of dying from Covid 19, again those tend to be more diseases of age and of rich western nations and few Indians are obese
I wonder if the more sane Brexiteers look at the recent antics of Aaron Banks, Tim Martin, Farage and co, who they held common cause and have a few quiet personal doubts.
The antibody titre doesn't reach a maximum until some weeks after infection. if there's virus in the blood, it's a bloody peculiar virus and the antibody test doesn't check for virus RNA in the bloodstream anyway. Why would it?
But thanks for the clarification - it's a cock-up by the BBC and the Guardian account is merely garbled. As for diagnostic tests … that's why they are validated before being allowed on the market. Oh, and nothing is 100% certain. I will probably die eventually but that's all that is certain.
I still think I'm immortal, though.
Of course the antibody test is testing for antibodies.
Nevertheless it's just plain wrong to say "If you're testing for the antibody, there shouldn't be any virus left in the person's blood"
It's certainly plausible that testing for IgM will be useful in quickly confirming a Covid-19 diagnosis. And more generally, as antibodies are detectable from a week from infection there's no reason why there shouldn't be any virus "left in the person's blood" when you do an antibody test.
The virus is not in the blood, but in the respiratory system....
I think it's been detected in the blood of around half of those who've tested positive (insofar as they've checked). I don't think it's unusual to find respiratory viruses in the bloodstream, though I the percentage of patients it's found in isn't usually that high ?
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
The hospitalisation rate for under 60s is, however, staggeringly high. In developed countries, most of them receive proper medical care, and make a full recovery. In India, a lot of those infected won't have access to that, and won't. The death rates could be an awful lot higher as a result.
Edit: also just to note that you're confusing averages with age distributions. Just because average age is a lot lower than the UK, doesn't meaythere aren't a lot of older people around. Infant mortality is presumably a lot higher, which skews the mean downwards without impacting on the prospects of those who make it past (say) age 12.
Oh dear.. will.the Divvie be out soon to defend Ms Sturgeon?
To be fair, Ms Sturgeon wasn't in any sort of surrender mode on BBC this morning. Came out fighting.
Digging a deeper hole methinks
Not what I felt, TBH. Sorry to lose her, bu must get on.
Yeah yeah yeah.. its the original decision to support her and then change home to homes that was the damaging stuff . It is the sort of thing that sticks in the memory...
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
That the average life expectancy in India is only 55, suggests that many people in their 40s and 50s are already seriously ill.
It's only over 80s with a high death rate in Western countries with good medical systems - if this goes around India as it has everywhere else, it's not unreasonable to expect tens of millions of deaths.
It is high BMI and diabetes and cancer and heart conditions that increase your chances of dying from Covid 19, again those tend to be more diseases of age and of rich western nations and few Indians are obese
More than anything else, it's a lack of sufficient medical resources that determines the death rate. India is very much third world in this regard.
I stand by my comments from weeks ago, that India will most likely have the highest death toll of any country when the virus is finally under control.
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
That the average life expectancy in India is only 55, suggests that many people in their 40s and 50s are already seriously ill.
It's only over 80s with a high death rate in Western countries with good medical systems - if this goes around India as it has everywhere else, it's not unreasonable to expect tens of millions of deaths.
It is high BMI and diabetes and cancer and heart conditions that increase your chances of dying from Covid 19, again those tend to be more diseases of age and of rich western nations and few Indians are obese
More than anything else, it's a lack of sufficient medical resources that determines the death rate. India is very much third world in this regard.
I stand by my comments from weeks ago, that India will most likely have the highest death toll of any country when the virus is finally under control.
You only tend to need medical treatment on average if you are old or obese or with pre existing health conditions anyway
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
The hospitalisation rate for under 60s is, however, staggeringly high. In developed countries, most of them receive proper medical care, and make a full recovery. In India, a lot of those infected won't have access to that, and won't. The death rates could be an awful lot higher as a result.
Edit: also just to note that you're confusing averages with age distributions. Just because average age is a lot lower than the UK, doesn't meaythere aren't a lot of older people around. Infant mortality is presumably a lot higher, which skews the mean downwards without impacting on the prospects of those who make it past (say) age 12.
As a percentage of population though I expect the death rate in India to still be lower than much of the West
When he fully recovers Boris might be even more determined to hold China to account.
He will have been close to the abyss and it will be personal.
'Hold China to account' - Are you suggesting it was deliberate? This could open a whole can of worms. Some may want to hold the UK to account for slavery or the industrial revolution.
China are responsible for failing to put their own house in order, lying about it and then spreading propaganda and misinformation worldwide.
The UK stuff is a lot of left-wing piss and wind.
Just how eaxactly will Boris 'hold China to account'?
Coordinating foreign and economic policy across the West and with India.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
Not necessarily, Macron, Abe, Modi and Trudeau have shown they will work with Trump when required
India accounts for just 2% of China's foreign trade (3% of exports and 1% of imports - which just emphasises how little India has of anything that China wants or needs).
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
India, more so than anywhere else, is going to be completely screwed by this virus.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
Average life expectancy in India though is only 55 compared to 81 here and it is only over 80s who have a more than 10% death rate from Covid 19.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
That the average life expectancy in India is only 55, suggests that many people in their 40s and 50s are already seriously ill.
It's only over 80s with a high death rate in Western countries with good medical systems - if this goes around India as it has everywhere else, it's not unreasonable to expect tens of millions of deaths.
It is high BMI and diabetes and cancer and heart conditions that increase your chances of dying from Covid 19, again those tend to be more diseases of age and of rich western nations and few Indians are obese
Don't you think that the fact TB is very widespread in India, with 3 million confirmed, diagnosed cases, might cause something of an issue?
Today is quite an important day for new cases in the UK. There were tentative signs that we might have peaked a little earlier than forecast but yesterday was not a good day. Will that prove to be a blip or have we one more ratchet to come?
The slight reduction in new hospitalisations also indicated this. In the week before our official lockdown many, many companies and businesses took their own steps encouraging working from home, cancelling football matches and other public events etc. We are therefore a bit more into the lockdown than the official two weeks.
We are also seeing the first hints of a slow down on a global scale. A long way to go but we just might be past the explosive period of growth.
I seriously don't understand why the easyJet board are burying their heads in the sand. It's blatantly obvious that their forecasts are completely crap and they won't need the new planes. Asking for government money to buy new planes is just wrong. Hopefully Stelios completey dismantles the current board.
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The main indicator of the Spanish Stock Market, the IBEX 35, scores 230.30 points, that 3.45% to 6,808.90 points. Annual losses are reduced to 28.86%
Nevertheless it's just plain wrong to say "If you're testing for the antibody, there shouldn't be any virus left in the person's blood"
It's certainly plausible that testing for IgM will be useful in quickly confirming a Covid-19 diagnosis. And more generally, as antibodies are detectable from a week from infection there's no reason why there shouldn't be any virus "left in the person's blood" when you do an antibody test.
The virus is not in the blood, but in the respiratory system.
If you're going to criticise others for the inaccuracies then try to be accurate yourself.
Personally, I prefer to know people's true positions
I see France has stopped exports of IPA (one of the alcohols used) btw. So much for EU solidarity. As with America grabbing masks intended for Germany, a lot of countries will be wondering how far they can rely on global supply chains in future crises.
Honesty is perfectly capable of being contemptible. You presented it as an either or.
Bog standard contrarian stuff. Others are 'expected' to express sympathy, so show them up by not doing so.
This might well depend on Trump losing the White House in November though.
With respect I'm not going to take lectures on humanity or morality from you.
I thought it was one of her best ever addresses.
As to the market, it is a standard legitimate market that's just turned a bit queasy in the circumstances. It is important to see the jump in Raab's odds not just as a Boris death market. The important point here is that a stay in ICU, secondary pneumonia, or any of the survivable things that can happen now, could take the wind out of Boris's sails for many months - the idea of his returning to work in a week or two is not in any way a given course of events here.
In amongst the death, there will be many people who survive but who struggle to return to normal for months and years, and many will be of working age. I haven't commented on the @Stocky piece last week - I have no objection whatsoever to considering the higher cases / lower disruption to life path - but some of the consequences of that route do not speak to normal and a massive rise in long-term sickness into the millions would be likely in trying to keep things running.
I don't think it's unusual to find respiratory viruses in the bloodstream, though I the percentage of patients it's found in isn't usually that high ?
Do not feed the trolls
But it is, tragically, currently led by an extreme far-right anti-democratic ethno-nationalist, so maybe that is why you are often so keen on India?
https://easy.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020-04-05-stelios-media-statement-on-easyjet-and-airbus-for-release-6april20-final.pdf
https://twitter.com/GordyMegroz/status/1246877544114032640
If we were to seek an economic cold war with China (and I don't see it happening) then it isn't simply about consumerism, we would need to diversify production lines away from China. India could be an alternative trading partner.
They can't enforce a lockdown, and they have some of the most densely populated cities on earth - with no running water or supermarkets, nor anything close to sufficient medical facilities.
In betting oddities, there is exactly the same spread (48-55) for Bernie Sanders becoming Democratic nominee and next President.
The death rate for 50 to 59 year olds is only 1.3% by contrast
Gather that there was a fire in one of the main places making isopropyl alcohol early this/late last year, which hasn't helped the supply situation. Grandson-in-law (acting) sells the stuff. When he can.
And finally, bought our hand sanitiser from a firm selling janitorial supplies.
Even if the A400M is still a pile of unreliable crap.
Arron Banks doesn't seem to have grasped that the reason the virus won't kill that many is because of the steps taken.
And, of course, on his logic, why on Earth should we commemorate VE Day or anything about WWII? On average, it killed 75,000 Brits per year for six years, way below the numbers he's citing.
Airbus Military's catalog is pretty slim beyond that. Every who wants an A400M now has more than they need, A330MRTT is a solid platform but who else is going to buy it? Then there's that extra C295 that Kazakhstan keep promising to buy.
Boeing DS&S have KC-46, T-7, F-15EX and will probably get one of F/A-XX or NGAD. They look relatively healthy.
Have a mashup of all It'll be Alright on the Night newsreader gaffes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVOVKCYRSoc
It's only over 80s with a high death rate in Western countries with good medical systems - if this goes around India as it has everywhere else, it's not unreasonable to expect tens of millions of deaths.
He had two books in the house. The Bible and Black's Medical Dictionary, or has my memory served me poorly and it was Bank's Medical Dictionary?
https://twitter.com/IainKMcD/status/803694600497967105
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3320271/
In both cases, it correlated with poor clinical outcomes.
Edit: also just to note that you're confusing averages with age distributions. Just because average age is a lot lower than the UK, doesn't meaythere aren't a lot of older people around. Infant mortality is presumably a lot higher, which skews the mean downwards without impacting on the prospects of those who make it past (say) age 12.
I stand by my comments from weeks ago, that India will most likely have the highest death toll of any country when the virus is finally under control.
Courtesy of a telegraph cartoon
The slight reduction in new hospitalisations also indicated this. In the week before our official lockdown many, many companies and businesses took their own steps encouraging working from home, cancelling football matches and other public events etc. We are therefore a bit more into the lockdown than the official two weeks.
We are also seeing the first hints of a slow down on a global scale. A long way to go but we just might be past the explosive period of growth.