well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
Where is this? Leicester, presumably, in your case, but I thought @Richard_Tyndall lived in Shetland?
Deaths in the community? So people who are so ill they die but are not being placed into hospital? Does this mean those who were near end of life and have DNR etc etc? Or is it people dying so fast they don't make hospital?
Nursing homes have pretty much been told not to send people to hospital
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I can only assume from comments on here that the quality of output has reduced significantly over time, as I had a Dyson DC-01 which worked perfectly and effectively without issue for 15 years, well worth what it cost
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I have to say, I have a Dyson and it’s great. Very efficient at hoovering, particularly dust. Expensive, but it was worth it.
Henries are pretty good at 1/4 the price - and I have never come across anyone who hoovers for a living who uses anything else.
We just bought a Henry. Superb
I am also a very happy Henry owner. They are in every janitor's cupboard for a reason. Cheap as chips, repairable (not that they ever break) and incredibly good at what they do. There is even a smallish 6 litre version if you live in a smaller flat.
The only reason for not buying one is they are heavy and this makes it hard to vacuum stairs if you are old or infirm. Otherwise, I can't understand why anyone would buy anything else.
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I have to say, I have a Dyson and it’s great. Very efficient at hoovering, particularly dust. Expensive, but it was worth it.
Henries are pretty good at 1/4 the price - and I have never come across anyone who hoovers for a living who uses anything else.
Our cleaner agrees - but I must admit if you're not doing it professionally, Dyson's seem to get a room cleaned quicker than anything else I've ever used.
Our cleaner (who is at the moment not working, but who we are still paying - and I recommend others do the same, if their income is continuing) often remarks wistfully that the powerful vacuum cleaners of the 80s were by far the best!!
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I have to say, I have a Dyson and it’s great. Very efficient at hoovering, particularly dust. Expensive, but it was worth it.
Henries are pretty good at 1/4 the price - and I have never come across anyone who hoovers for a living who uses anything else.
Our cleaner agrees - but I must admit if you're not doing it professionally, Dyson's seem to get a room cleaned quicker than anything else I've ever used.
Our cleaner (who is at the moment not working, but who we are still paying - and I recommend others do the same, if their income is continuing) often remarks wistfully that the powerful vacuum cleaners of the 80s were by far the best!!
Isn't reduction in vacuum power something to do with EU regulations?
Care situation is awful, high amount of rotad staff all on min wage so more likely than average to be using public transport, no PPE, vulnerable patients. That'll go for us, France, Spain, wherever. My other half's nan just has one lady that normally helps her with the shopping so fingers crossed she'll be able to avoid the virus.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
We have a GP in our family. I was told three weeks ago some of the brutal decisions that are having to be made.
It's why I get slightly vexed when I hear the contrarians complaining about the lockdown. They literally do not have a clue what is going on here.
My own progress report: Day 14 for me; Day 17 for my wife.
She's feeling much better today, nearly there. By contrast I had the worst day so far yesterday.
For those who get it moderately badly there seems to be a difficult first week ending with some notional improvement. But then sometime in the middle to end of the second week there is another severe episode. I was close to calling an ambulance yesterday as my breathing was very heavy and had a terrible fever but my sats were holding up. Feeling a bit better today.
Take care all and stay safe. You don't want this bastard virus.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Where will the new young ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ socialists go? Green? Or trend right as they get older and back Starmer?
Who says Starmer himself trends any further right for them to head that way?
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
Rather overshadowed is the news that the very moderate Jackie Baillie has been elected deputy leader of Scottish Labour. She was sacked from the front bench by the left-wing and useless leader Richard Leonard.
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
I think this is a tad misleading as it is showing the change in the admissions figures, not the admissions figures themselves. According to the source, 22,000 a day are being admitted.
Where will the new young ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ socialists go? Green? Or trend right as they get older and back Starmer?
Who says Starmer himself trends any further right for them to head that way?
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
Yeah I agree. Old school socialism was new to many youngsters though, they’d never heard of it, as they haven’t many old ideas like border control and grammar schools. They seem new to me and I’m in my mid 40s
Rather overshadowed is the news that the very moderate Jackie Baillie has been elected deputy leader of Scottish Labour. She was sacked from the front bench by the left-wing and useless leader Richard Leonard.
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
I think this is a tad misleading as it is showing the change in the admissions figures, not the admissions figures themselves. According to the source, 22,000 a day are being admitted.
The 1st derivative going negative is the light at the end of the tunnel though.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
Where is this? Leicester, presumably, in your case, but I thought @Richard_Tyndall lived in Shetland?
Deaths in the community? So people who are so ill they die but are not being placed into hospital? Does this mean those who were near end of life and have DNR etc etc? Or is it people dying so fast they don't make hospital?
Nursing homes have pretty much been told not to send people to hospital
The French death count in care home looks pretty horrendous. Are they not part of our official figures?
AIUI the official figures currently only include those who are tested in hospitals - they are collated from the returns from the hospitals. The ONS has just started releasing figures each Tuesday for overall deaths each week but lagged by a week. They try to estimate the numbers of these which are due to CV-19 but I think this will only ever be a rough guide.
I think this is a tad misleading as it is showing the change in the admissions figures, not the admissions figures themselves. According to the source, 22,000 a day are being admitted.
The 1st derivative going negative is the light at the end of the tunnel though.
Yes, but the numbers are still quite staggering. This plot is suggesting there were zero admissions, which is not at all believable!
Where will the new young ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ socialists go? Green? Or trend right as they get older and back Starmer?
Who says Starmer himself trends any further right for them to head that way?
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
My (ex) MP seems to be holding to the old faith. Whether ambition will eventually win out is yet to be seen.
Good god, they are still trumpeting increasing membership size and certain factions of MPs, and having ideas, as some kind of prodound victory. Against the true enemy, other Labour members perhaps. https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1246400024499675136
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Where will the new young ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ socialists go? Green? Or trend right as they get older and back Starmer?
Who says Starmer himself trends any further right for them to head that way?
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
My (ex) MP seems to be holding to the old faith. Whether ambition will eventually win out is yet to be seen.
Can I say HYUFD that I amongst others have criticised you for your unequivocal support for Boris. However you clearly understand the need for effective opposition and have banged the drum for Starmer on PB since the general election.
Thankyou, I certainly think he can provide a better opposition to the government than Corbyn did, tgough I remain loyal to Boris of course
Indeed you should. But if Boris cocks-up big time, you at least now have somewhere sensible to go! (Hopefully!)
I stuck with the Tories even in 1997 and 2001, trust me I am not the swing voter you need to convince
I thought I was Labour 'til I die. And then along came Jeremy!
I am also chairman of Epping and Theydon Bois Conservatives, Jeremy just made the job easier
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I have to say, I have a Dyson and it’s great. Very efficient at hoovering, particularly dust. Expensive, but it was worth it.
Henries are pretty good at 1/4 the price - and I have never come across anyone who hoovers for a living who uses anything else.
We just bought a Henry. Superb
I am also a very happy Henry owner. They are in every janitor's cupboard for a reason. Cheap as chips, repairable (not that they ever break) and incredibly good at what they do. There is even a smallish 6 litre version if you live in a smaller flat.
The only reason for not buying one is they are heavy and this makes it hard to vacuum stairs if you are old or infirm. Otherwise, I can't understand why anyone would buy anything else.
I think Henry is the only British manufacturer of vacuums now, but yes, they are good.
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I have to say, I have a Dyson and it’s great. Very efficient at hoovering, particularly dust. Expensive, but it was worth it.
Henries are pretty good at 1/4 the price - and I have never come across anyone who hoovers for a living who uses anything else.
We just bought a Henry. Superb
I am also a very happy Henry owner. They are in every janitor's cupboard for a reason. Cheap as chips, repairable (not that they ever break) and incredibly good at what they do. There is even a smallish 6 litre version if you live in a smaller flat.
The only reason for not buying one is they are heavy and this makes it hard to vacuum stairs if you are old or infirm. Otherwise, I can't understand why anyone would buy anything else.
I think Henry is the only British manufacturer of vacuums now, but yes, they are good.
Where will the new young ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ socialists go? Green? Or trend right as they get older and back Starmer?
Who says Starmer himself trends any further right for them to head that way?
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
My (ex) MP seems to be holding to the old faith. Whether ambition will eventually win out is yet to be seen.
I know the polls had been bad for Labour before GE2017, but I wonder had he reflected that it should never have seemed impossible for Labour to win at least one seat in Glasgow? Not that the Labour situation there was Corbyn driven, but still it's not like winning North East Hampshire.
Good god, they are still trumpeting increasing membership size and certain factions of MPs, and having ideas, as some kind of prodound victory. Against the true enemy, other Labour members perhaps. https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1246400024499675136
I'm glad they had all those victories while safely in opposition.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
Rather overshadowed is the news that the very moderate Jackie Baillie has been elected deputy leader of Scottish Labour. She was sacked from the front bench by the left-wing and useless leader Richard Leonard.
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
Telling that the departure of an SNP leader rather than the elections of decades long chair warmers by both main Unionist parties is seen as the condition for a game change.
'Please, please elect someone as crap as wot we've got.'
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
@Foxy could probably give more insight. My "observation" is based on a comment by my GP that I had remarkably good blood pressure for someone my age. He said that most people my age had high blood pressure and were usually on meds for it.
Anecdote rather than data, but from a GP's lips...
Where will the new young ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ socialists go? Green? Or trend right as they get older and back Starmer?
Who says Starmer himself trends any further right for them to head that way?
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
My (ex) MP seems to be holding to the old faith. Whether ambition will eventually win out is yet to be seen.
I know the polls had been bad for Labour before GE2017, but I wonder had he reflected that it should never have seemed impossible for Labour to win at least one seat in Glasgow? Not that the Labour situation there was Corbyn driven, but still it's not like winning North East Hampshire.
There was a time, not so long ago, when it was pretty much impossible for anyone other than Labour to win a seat in Glasgow. Tell it not in Gath.
The interesting snippet in the paper is that after 7 days, while viral antigen was detectable, live virus was not. The highest viral numbers were in the early prodromal stages.
Best of luck for Floater jr. He must have age on his side at least.
Trying to think forwards, past the coming months, and Starmer might look at Attlee, a bit boring but realising that terrible times lead to radical change. Not Corbynite change but seeing this as a chance to challenge orthodoxy and remake the country. I imagine that Johnson is already thinking the same way.
I’ve seen a few people mention about ‘getting back to normal’ but I think that completely misreads the situation. We will not have the sort of normal we had a couple of months ago for a long time, if ever. Business will have to change; some will fail, others will rise from nowhere. Some industries will shrivel, others will expand massively. Fortunes will turn upside down, the most agile and adaptable will continue. The role of the state as protector will become more important, preparedness will be more necessary. Self sufficiency may rise instead of complex international supply chains. In my own field of education, the delivery may have to change, with the experience of online learning hastening its acceptance as part of the educational model. A number of schools, and most universities, have become ever more reliant on students from the far East, so what do we do if they stop coming in such numbers?
This is the playing field that Johnson and Starmer are on, whoever who has the best vision of what comes next will be best placed to win. Even then, these are times when political fortunes will rapidly rise or fall. A new movement could rise if the field is left open by them, maybe based on a very different economic model, things don’t have to be as we have always known them.
For those that get through this with their health intact, the next decade could well be the most radical time of our lives. There is no ‘back to normal’, everything is going to be changed.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
@Foxy could probably give more insight. My "observation" is based on a comment by my GP that I had remarkably good blood pressure for someone my age. He said that most people my age had high blood pressure and were usually on meds for it.
Anecdote rather than data, but from a GP's lips...
One thing people don't realise - until they experience it - is one of the medical revolutions that has occurred in the last 20 years -
Long term serious illness, managed in the community. Without visible effects.
For example, rheumatoid arthritis - time was, when this hit, you needed to order a wheel chair. Now, there are people by the thousand walking around, living their lives, working etc. Provided they take their medication x times a week, there is no reason that anyone they meet would ever know.
Half your cricket team could be on such treatments - and you wouldn't know unless they told you.
Dyson products are some of the worst I’ve ever encountered. Expensive, badly designed and break down. How he got his reputation is a mystery. G-tech are not much better either.
I have to say, I have a Dyson and it’s great. Very efficient at hoovering, particularly dust. Expensive, but it was worth it.
Henries are pretty good at 1/4 the price - and I have never come across anyone who hoovers for a living who uses anything else.
Our cleaner agrees - but I must admit if you're not doing it professionally, Dyson's seem to get a room cleaned quicker than anything else I've ever used.
Our cleaner (who is at the moment not working, but who we are still paying - and I recommend others do the same, if their income is continuing) often remarks wistfully that the powerful vacuum cleaners of the 80s were by far the best!!
Still paying my cleaner. She has offered to do a few days of gardening instead. If she as good at gardening as she is at cleaning, then I won't be missing Chelsea this year......
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
I think nearly half the entire population are on at least one prescription medicine. Treatment for cholesterol, hypertension, asthma, arthritis and diabetes probably make up a large proportion. Statins in particular are very widely prescribed to otherwise very healthy people.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
@Foxy could probably give more insight. My "observation" is based on a comment by my GP that I had remarkably good blood pressure for someone my age. He said that most people my age had high blood pressure and were usually on meds for it.
Anecdote rather than data, but from a GP's lips...
I have seen hypertension figures as high as 45% quoted for the over sixties. It certainly is quite common.
My Lenten meat and alcohol free diet has normalised my blood pressure. 120/77 and off all medications. I have lost a stone in weight, so hard to know which of these has made the difference.
I think Labour have missed a trick by not making Rosena Allin-Khan deputy. She seems much more charismatic and on the ball than Rayner.
Giving her shadow Health would be a good move, particularly at the moment.
Giving that to doctors doesn't usually work, but may do in the short term yes.
I think she might be a bit busy to accept the job at the moment...
I think it's fair for her to take the job if she has something to contribute at a larger scale. The whole Labour front bench will get a lot more airtime now and she was definitely on the money with testing a couple of weeks before the government got it's act together.
Trying to think forwards, past the coming months, and Starmer might look at Attlee, a bit boring but realising that terrible times lead to radical change. Not Corbynite change but seeing this as a chance to challenge orthodoxy and remake the country. I imagine that Johnson is already thinking the same way.
I’ve seen a few people mention about ‘getting back to normal’ but I think that completely misreads the situation. We will not have the sort of normal we had a couple of months ago for a long time, if ever. Business will have to change; some will fail, others will rise from nowhere. Some industries will shrivel, others will expand massively. Fortunes will turn upside down, the most agile and adaptable will continue. The role of the state as protector will become more important, preparedness will be more necessary. Self sufficiency may rise instead of complex international supply chains. In my own field of education, the delivery may have to change, with the experience of online learning hastening its acceptance as part of the educational model. A number of schools, and most universities, have become ever more reliant on students from the far East, so what do we do if they stop coming in such numbers?
This is the playing field that Johnson and Starmer are on, whoever who has the best vision of what comes next will be best placed to win. Even then, these are times when political fortunes will rapidly rise or fall. A new movement could rise if the field is left open by them, maybe based on a very different economic model, things don’t have to be as we have always known them.
For those that get through this with their health intact, the next decade could well be the most radical time of our lives. There is no ‘back to normal’, everything is going to be changed.
I certainly think that it will green up our economies and lifestyles. We may have seen the end of massive foreign travel. Also rediscovered a degree of domestic pleasures, if not the Good Life.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
I am getting the run around trying to renew a statins prescription and am seriously considering not bothering for a couple of months.
Great news for population studies, and we can finally test the iceberg theory.
I think you need to read the thread. The issues of sensitivity, specificity and positive predictive value do limit the utility of such a test, except as a screen for a more definitive test.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
@Foxy could probably give more insight. My "observation" is based on a comment by my GP that I had remarkably good blood pressure for someone my age. He said that most people my age had high blood pressure and were usually on meds for it.
Anecdote rather than data, but from a GP's lips...
I have seen hypertension figures as high as 45% quoted for the over sixties. It certainly is quite common.
My Lenten meat and alcohol free diet has normalised my blood pressure. 120/77 and off all medications. I have lost a stone in weight, so hard to know which of these has made the difference.
An extraordinary percentage of that being undiagnosed. It takes little to check your blood pressure, yet many are going around whilst they are carrying this bomb inside them. I’ve had to regulate it since I was in my thirties, my father the same and his so on, so I was expecting it. Many will never know until it’s too late.
EDIT: just checked mine, 126/77. Given it was 150/110 at times before the lockdown, even on meds, that’s a very encouraging improvement.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
I am getting the run around trying to renew a statins prescription and am seriously considering not bothering for a couple of months.
You could try a low carb diet for a couple of months and see if it works
Apologies if this Spiegel piece (in English!) has been discussed to death on here but it's a must-read. Testing testing testing.... Interesting how in Britain the complaint is "our testing strategy is dysfunctional, why can't we be like Germany" while in Germany the complaint from some corners at least is "our testing strategy is dysfunctional, why can't we be like South Korea"...
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
Blimey! The over 50s I know must be remarkably fit then. Most of my cricket team and trade colleagues are not on meds....
@Foxy could probably give more insight. My "observation" is based on a comment by my GP that I had remarkably good blood pressure for someone my age. He said that most people my age had high blood pressure and were usually on meds for it.
Anecdote rather than data, but from a GP's lips...
One thing people don't realise - until they experience it - is one of the medical revolutions that has occurred in the last 20 years -
Long term serious illness, managed in the community. Without visible effects.
For example, rheumatoid arthritis - time was, when this hit, you needed to order a wheel chair. Now, there are people by the thousand walking around, living their lives, working etc. Provided they take their medication x times a week, there is no reason that anyone they meet would ever know.
Half your cricket team could be on such treatments - and you wouldn't know unless they told you.
The big thing in Rheumatoid in the last few years has been the expansion of biological disease modifying drugs. The severe deformity of 30 years ago is fading into history.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
I am getting the run around trying to renew a statins prescription and am seriously considering not bothering for a couple of months.
Persevere, I would say. They work differently for all but took my cholesterol from "troubling..." to 1.8......
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
I am getting the run around trying to renew a statins prescription and am seriously considering not bothering for a couple of months.
There is some suggestion that the secondary effect of statins on modulating inflammation is beneficial in COVID19.
AEP impressed with the Fed, but other central banks need to play their part.
"Central banks must violate their mandates in order to fulfill their mandates. It is the Lampedusa paradox: “everything has to change so that everything stays the same". "
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
We have a GP in our family. I was told three weeks ago some of the brutal decisions that are having to be made.
It's why I get slightly vexed when I hear the contrarians complaining about the lockdown. They literally do not have a clue what is going on here.
My own progress report: Day 14 for me; Day 17 for my wife.
She's feeling much better today, nearly there. By contrast I had the worst day so far yesterday.
For those who get it moderately badly there seems to be a difficult first week ending with some notional improvement. But then sometime in the middle to end of the second week there is another severe episode. I was close to calling an ambulance yesterday as my breathing was very heavy and had a terrible fever but my sats were holding up. Feeling a bit better today.
Take care all and stay safe. You don't want this bastard virus.
I wish you a complete recovery, soon. My cousin is on the mend from what sounds a similar experience.
On your first point, if you have the energy, can you give some insight into the reporting of deaths in the community. At what point do they show up in the overall national figures (not for Covid) ?
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
That matches what I am hearing. The numbers will be difficult though as only inpatients are swabbed, so difficult to record accurately as COVID19 related.
The grim reaper is having a brutal week.
I am assuming we will be left with comparing death rates this year with those from previous years to get some idea of the real numbers. In Bergamo their numbers of deaths for March are six times those of the same time last year.
Yes, though it will be a mix of undiagnosed COVID19 mortality and other conditions whose usual care was disrupted.
I have heard the same from older relatives - GP car parks full of people demanding that their normal care resumes. Some of them had life-threatening conditions but the GP Practice doors are locked and the staff are sitting inside looking out at angry patients. It sort of tarnishes the "NHS hero" memes.
Not seeing anything like that around here.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
I think the closed GP thing is local guidance so it will vary from place to place. I would say that a sizeable percentage of the population are on prescription meds. In my own family it is 50% and anyone over 50 is likely to be on hypertension meds - it is very common in that age group.
I am getting the run around trying to renew a statins prescription and am seriously considering not bothering for a couple of months.
You could try a low carb diet for a couple of months and see if it works
Thanks, it was very borderline whether I qualified to get it at the time so I think I will risk it. More risk fighting my way into the Boots prescription counter I suspect!
I think this is a tad misleading as it is showing the change in the admissions figures, not the admissions figures themselves. According to the source, 22,000 a day are being admitted.
The 1st derivative going negative is the light at the end of the tunnel though.
Surely that's the second derivative - people in hospital > change in people in hospital (net admissions) > change in change in people in hospital (change in daily admissions)
Rather overshadowed is the news that the very moderate Jackie Baillie has been elected deputy leader of Scottish Labour. She was sacked from the front bench by the left-wing and useless leader Richard Leonard.
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
Telling that the departure of an SNP leader rather than the elections of decades long chair warmers by both main Unionist parties is seen as the condition for a game change.
'Please, please elect someone as crap as wot we've got.'
Not sure what your point is. Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them, as they say. But having said that oppositions do need not to actively repel voters by their abject awfulness. Labour putting in the pre-conditions for success with Starmer at UK level and some tentative signs in Scotland - just need to get rid of Leonard.
Great news for population studies, and we can finally test the iceberg theory.
I think you need to read the thread. The issues of sensitivity, specificity and positive predictive value do limit the utility of such a test, except as a screen for a more definitive test.
Can I say HYUFD that I amongst others have criticised you for your unequivocal support for Boris. However you clearly understand the need for effective opposition and have banged the drum for Starmer on PB since the general election.
Thankyou, I certainly think he can provide a better opposition to the government than Corbyn did, tgough I remain loyal to Boris of course
Indeed you should. But if Boris cocks-up big time, you at least now have somewhere sensible to go! (Hopefully!)
I stuck with the Tories even in 1997 and 2001, trust me I am not the swing voter you need to convince
I thought I was Labour 'til I die. And then along came Jeremy!
I am also chairman of Epping and Theydon Bois Conservatives, Jeremy just made the job easier
Great news for population studies, and we can finally test the iceberg theory.
I think you need to read the thread. The issues of sensitivity, specificity and positive predictive value do limit the utility of such a test, except as a screen for a more definitive test.
I would definitely read the thread as it makes some points me and FrancisU and a few others have been going on about on here about how testing can be very misleading especially during the early stages of an epidemic because it depends not just on the mechanical features of the test but also on what proportion of people you're testing are infected (something the CMO brings up in press conferences sometimes without explaining the details of, and the Spiegel piece I linked to showed is very dangerous in Germany with too many poorly targeted tests being done on low risk groups resulting a worrying number of people with false negatives going on to spread the disease) but actually Rob has a point here. If you test a whole bunch of people then you'll still get an idea of population prevalence which would be fantastic news in terms of investigating the "iceberg" hypothesis of many asymptomatic infected people developing immunity. The bad news is that the test results for any individual person are pretty dodgy and as the thread shows you might want to combine with other testing into a kind of South Korean style "funnel".
Incidentally does anyone know if random blood / sputum samples are being taken and frozen throughout the epidemic for investigation later when better testing is available, purely so we can retrospectively model how the disease progressed when we are at a better stage to do so scientifically?II know this kind of thing was done in some historical vetinerary epidemics which has even allowed using genetic sequencing to observe, retrospectively, pathogen evolution when such tech would have been scifi stuff at the time of the epidemic itself. Do we do the same for humans?
Rather overshadowed is the news that the very moderate Jackie Baillie has been elected deputy leader of Scottish Labour. She was sacked from the front bench by the left-wing and useless leader Richard Leonard.
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
The opposite of being obsessed with Indy is not being obsessed with saving the union.
well a worrying conversation with a neighbour this morning. She is a nurse at the local GPs and she says that the number of deaths in the community they are seeing is terrifying. I have to say I am concerned that the ONS figures over the next few weeks which show the real rates of death are going to dwarf what we are seeing in the official daily numbers. Very sobering.
We have a GP in our family. I was told three weeks ago some of the brutal decisions that are having to be made.
It's why I get slightly vexed when I hear the contrarians complaining about the lockdown. They literally do not have a clue what is going on here.
My own progress report: Day 14 for me; Day 17 for my wife.
She's feeling much better today, nearly there. By contrast I had the worst day so far yesterday.
For those who get it moderately badly there seems to be a difficult first week ending with some notional improvement. But then sometime in the middle to end of the second week there is another severe episode. I was close to calling an ambulance yesterday as my breathing was very heavy and had a terrible fever but my sats were holding up. Feeling a bit better today.
Take care all and stay safe. You don't want this bastard virus.
I wish you a complete recovery, soon. My cousin is on the mend from what sounds a similar experience.
On your first point, if you have the energy, can you give some insight into the reporting of deaths in the community. At what point do they show up in the overall national figures (not for Covid) ?
Thanks.
I have no additional insight apart from what is now starting to get reported. Namely:
1) Official stats are currently only recording patients dying within hospitals
2) Primary care in the hot-spots are unfortunately having to triage quite aggressively and many of those with poor prognosis are unlikely to ever get into a hospital. Instead palliative care is being offered.
As a consequence of 1) and 2) current statistics are only telling half (?) the story.
Rather overshadowed is the news that the very moderate Jackie Baillie has been elected deputy leader of Scottish Labour. She was sacked from the front bench by the left-wing and useless leader Richard Leonard.
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
Telling that the departure of an SNP leader rather than the elections of decades long chair warmers by both main Unionist parties is seen as the condition for a game change.
'Please, please elect someone as crap as wot we've got.'
Starmer also polls better with Scots than Miliband and Corbyn did perfectly possible he could win back some centre left Scots from the SNP, especially as the more radical cybernats are starting to make trouble for Sturgeon over her lack of eagerness to push for independence
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The only reason for not buying one is they are heavy and this makes it hard to vacuum stairs if you are old or infirm. Otherwise, I can't understand why anyone would buy anything else.
Our cleaner (who is at the moment not working, but who we are still paying - and I recommend others do the same, if their income is continuing) often remarks wistfully that the powerful vacuum cleaners of the 80s were by far the best!!
some people might recall that his girlfriend (nurse) had been ill with classic symptoms a couple of weeks back but tested negative.
Well, now I wonder just how accurate these tests are
Good grief.
He’ll be putting pineapple on his pizza next.
That'll go for us, France, Spain, wherever.
My other half's nan just has one lady that normally helps her with the shopping so fingers crossed she'll be able to avoid the virus.
It's why I get slightly vexed when I hear the contrarians complaining about the lockdown. They literally do not have a clue what is going on here.
My own progress report: Day 14 for me; Day 17 for my wife.
She's feeling much better today, nearly there. By contrast I had the worst day so far yesterday.
For those who get it moderately badly there seems to be a difficult first week ending with some notional improvement. But then sometime in the middle to end of the second week there is another severe episode. I was close to calling an ambulance yesterday as my breathing was very heavy and had a terrible fever but my sats were holding up. Feeling a bit better today.
Take care all and stay safe. You don't want this bastard virus.
I doubt he'll inspire the same level of passion the 'Oh Jeremy' types did for Corybn, which I never understood to be honest, given he seems to be a pretty stock old style socialist, but he may not repel all that many of them compared to the numbers of normal members and voters he might reassure.
Thing that shocks me is the queue for the pharmacy. Would love to know what % of the population are on prescription medication of one for or another....
Worth remembering that Labour, however badly they have been doing in Scotland, never have suffered from the toxic reputation that the Scots Tories had to deal with.
Considerable scope for a recovery if the population tires of the obsession with Indy. A Sturgeon departure after Covid could be a game-changer north of the border.
https://twitter.com/PaulJSweeney/status/1246181669863817218?s=20
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1246400024499675136
https://www.eppingforestconservatives.org.uk/epping-and-theydon-bois-conservatives
Later Peeps!
Telling that the departure of an SNP leader rather than the elections of decades long chair warmers by both main Unionist parties is seen as the condition for a game change.
'Please, please elect someone as crap as wot we've got.'
Anecdote rather than data, but from a GP's lips...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2196-x
The interesting snippet in the paper is that after 7 days, while viral antigen was detectable, live virus was not. The highest viral numbers were in the early prodromal stages.
Best of luck for Floater jr. He must have age on his side at least.
I’ve seen a few people mention about ‘getting back to normal’ but I think that completely misreads the situation. We will not have the sort of normal we had a couple of months ago for a long time, if ever. Business will have to change; some will fail, others will rise from nowhere. Some industries will shrivel, others will expand massively. Fortunes will turn upside down, the most agile and adaptable will continue. The role of the state as protector will become more important, preparedness will be more necessary. Self sufficiency may rise instead of complex international supply chains. In my own field of education, the delivery may have to change, with the experience of online learning hastening its acceptance as part of the educational model. A number of schools, and most universities, have become ever more reliant on students from the far East, so what do we do if they stop coming in such numbers?
This is the playing field that Johnson and Starmer are on, whoever who has the best vision of what comes next will be best placed to win. Even then, these are times when political fortunes will rapidly rise or fall. A new movement could rise if the field is left open by them, maybe based on a very different economic model, things don’t have to be as we have always known them.
For those that get through this with their health intact, the next decade could well be the most radical time of our lives. There is no ‘back to normal’, everything is going to be changed.
Long term serious illness, managed in the community. Without visible effects.
For example, rheumatoid arthritis - time was, when this hit, you needed to order a wheel chair. Now, there are people by the thousand walking around, living their lives, working etc. Provided they take their medication x times a week, there is no reason that anyone they meet would ever know.
Half your cricket team could be on such treatments - and you wouldn't know unless they told you.
Treatment for cholesterol, hypertension, asthma, arthritis and diabetes probably make up a large proportion.
Statins in particular are very widely prescribed to otherwise very healthy people.
My Lenten meat and alcohol free diet has normalised my blood pressure. 120/77 and off all medications. I have lost a stone in weight, so hard to know which of these has made the difference.
EDIT: just checked mine, 126/77. Given it was 150/110 at times before the lockdown, even on meds, that’s a very encouraging improvement.
Apologies if this Spiegel piece (in English!) has been discussed to death on here but it's a must-read. Testing testing testing.... Interesting how in Britain the complaint is "our testing strategy is dysfunctional, why can't we be like Germany" while in Germany the complaint from some corners at least is "our testing strategy is dysfunctional, why can't we be like South Korea"...
Good luck to Floater and to Gideon and any others in our ranks who are catching it.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2020/03/18/15/09/is-there-a-role-for-statin-therapy-in-acute-viral-infections-covid-19
"Central banks must violate their mandates in order to fulfill their mandates. It is the Lampedusa paradox: “everything has to change so that everything stays the same". "
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/03/world-taking-right-economic-medicine-europe-still-risk/
On your first point, if you have the energy, can you give some insight into the reporting of deaths in the community. At what point do they show up in the overall national figures (not for Covid) ?
These are a few colourful bushes passed on my way to the Coop this morning.
Can anyone help identify 1, 2, 4 and 6. I am particularly enamoured of no 2, the scarlet bush.
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246401956173811712
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246402462384361473
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246402792719343623
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246403344555552769
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246408137332133889
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246408486189182976
https://www.360dx.com/regulatory-news-fda-approvals/cellex-receives-first-fda-emergency-use-authorization-coronavirus#.Xoh8XC_TWhB
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1246381053473886208?s=21
Incidentally does anyone know if random blood / sputum samples are being taken and frozen throughout the epidemic for investigation later when better testing is available, purely so we can retrospectively model how the disease progressed when we are at a better stage to do so scientifically?II know this kind of thing was done in some historical vetinerary epidemics which has even allowed using genetic sequencing to observe, retrospectively, pathogen evolution when such tech would have been scifi stuff at the time of the epidemic itself. Do we do the same for humans?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52096529
I have no additional insight apart from what is now starting to get reported. Namely:
1) Official stats are currently only recording patients dying within hospitals
2) Primary care in the hot-spots are unfortunately having to triage quite aggressively and many of those with poor prognosis are unlikely to ever get into a hospital. Instead palliative care is being offered.
As a consequence of 1) and 2) current statistics are only telling half (?) the story.