Poor effort to just wave a picture. He should have had a nice, shiny model plane.
That plane is Boeing's "Dreamlifter", a modified 747 they use to transport parts for the 787. What's Trump saying they're going to be doing with it?
He said nothing. Just a Boeing ad.
Ah okay, so just a generic 'photo of a plane with Boeing written on the side', that happens to be a very specific plane with a very specific use.
He'd have been better off with a photo of the 747 that says USA down the side!
He said Boeing are letting them use it to move "product" around the USA.
Very large and light weight "product", obviously. A 'normal' 747 plane carries double the cargo weight and uses half as much fuel as that monstrosity.
"At 65,000 cubic feet the Dreamlifter can hold three times the volume of a 747-400F freighter."
But is only holds about 60 tonnes of cargo when full of fuel, half that of a normal 747. And the cargo bay isn't pressurised.
Call it 65 tonnes to make the maths easier, what do you know that weighs only one tonne per thousand cubic feet (c.10kg/mˆ3), that might need urgently transporting?
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
What do you think is happening in the body for it to yo yo like this?
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
What do you think is happening in the body for it to yo yo like this?
The body has fuck all clue to deal with this virus...that's the thing...so it makes it up as it goes along....and there are no therapies....
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
I had similae issues on the worst days. Sudden shortness of breath caused by absolutely nothing. General light headedness and extreme tiredness. I would suddenly become very sleepy and not wake up for 3 or 4 hours. My body would ache when I did wake up. It was terrible.
Yes, passing off already, but weirdly episodic. Peak flow remaining good too, but that tests outflow obstruction mostly.
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
I had similae issues on the worst days. Sudden shortness of breath caused by absolutely nothing. General light headedness and extreme tiredness. I would suddenly become very sleepy and not wake up for 3 or 4 hours. My body would ache when I did wake up. It was terrible.
Yes, passing off already, but weirdly episodic. Peak flow remaining good too, but that tests outflow obstruction mostly.
Hope you get better soon. Got my fingers crossed. I know people aren't taking it seriously but it can suddenly get quite bad without having any issues for 12-18h.
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
Poor effort to just wave a picture. He should have had a nice, shiny model plane.
That plane is Boeing's "Dreamlifter", a modified 747 they use to transport parts for the 787. What's Trump saying they're going to be doing with it?
He said nothing. Just a Boeing ad.
Ah okay, so just a generic 'photo of a plane with Boeing written on the side', that happens to be a very specific plane with a very specific use.
He'd have been better off with a photo of the 747 that says USA down the side!
He said Boeing are letting them use it to move "product" around the USA.
Very large and light weight "product", obviously. A 'normal' 747 plane carries double the cargo weight and uses half as much fuel as that monstrosity.
"At 65,000 cubic feet the Dreamlifter can hold three times the volume of a 747-400F freighter."
But is only holds about 60 tonnes of cargo when full of fuel, half that of a normal 747. And the cargo bay isn't pressurised.
Call it 65 tonnes to make the maths easier, what do you know that weighs only one tonne per thousand cubic feet (c.10kg/mˆ3), that might need urgently transporting?
Hot air?
Only if they want to turn it into cold air, by flying it at 30,000' in an unpressurised plane
As you know, gas is much better transported in pressurised tanks, which are bloody heavy!
I think tonight is the first time I really do think the real economy will be unable to withstand this...it's all too fragile. It's not geared up for this kind of shock...this horrible virus is going to take the whole thing down...banks, personal finances, national finances...and everything that goes with it...there is no safe place for money....the only good thing about gold will be to wear it....
you been taken over by eadric
I go back a long way with Mr Thomas....he's a kindred spirit....
The news on my nephew...a London doctor....he was pollaxed yesterday, and planning how he could cope with the Excel centre.....tonight he's wolfed down an extra large donna kebab.....and asked for extra chilli sauce....
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
I have to say I logged onto the twitter machine this evening and I saw rather a lot of FFS Beth Rigby you total idiot.
Poor effort to just wave a picture. He should have had a nice, shiny model plane.
That plane is Boeing's "Dreamlifter", a modified 747 they use to transport parts for the 787. What's Trump saying they're going to be doing with it?
He said nothing. Just a Boeing ad.
Ah okay, so just a generic 'photo of a plane with Boeing written on the side', that happens to be a very specific plane with a very specific use.
He'd have been better off with a photo of the 747 that says USA down the side!
He said Boeing are letting them use it to move "product" around the USA.
Very large and light weight "product", obviously. A 'normal' 747 plane carries double the cargo weight and uses half as much fuel as that monstrosity.
"At 65,000 cubic feet the Dreamlifter can hold three times the volume of a 747-400F freighter."
But is only holds about 60 tonnes of cargo when full of fuel, half that of a normal 747. And the cargo bay isn't pressurised.
Call it 65 tonnes to make the maths easier, what do you know that weighs only one tonne per thousand cubic feet (c.10kg/mˆ3), that might need urgently transporting?
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
There is something about Boris that tells me he doesn't like to wash his hands...he's a bit of a grubby fucker....
I think tonight is the first time I really do think the real economy will be unable to withstand this...it's all too fragile. It's not geared up for this kind of shock...this horrible virus is going to take the whole thing down...banks, personal finances, national finances...and everything that goes with it...there is no safe place for money....the only good thing about gold will be to wear it....
you been taken over by eadric
I go back a long way with Mr Thomas....he's a kindred spirit....
The news on my nephew...a London doctor....he was pollaxed yesterday, and planning how he could cope with the Excel centre.....tonight he's wolfed down an extra large donna kebab.....and asked for extra chilli sauce....
I have never had anything like it. Still no fever though.
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
I have to say I logged onto the twitter machine this evening and I saw rather a lot of FFS Beth Rigby you total idiot.
Hopefully the penny is slowly starting to drop among the media.
PM being out of action is a perfect excuse to drop the press conference format and replace with a scientists' briefing to scientific media, not the Lobby.
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
I have to say I logged onto the twitter machine this evening and I saw rather a lot of FFS Beth Rigby you total idiot.
Hopefully the penny is slowly starting to drop among the media.
PM being out of action is a perfect excuse to drop the press conference format and replace with a scientists' briefing to scientific media, not the Lobby.
It really isn't though. The press pack are still 100% in "gotcha" mode. They even try and do it to egg-heads now.
"I was presiding over the most successful economy in the history of the world".....
Strangely that press conference was the most impressive I have yet heard from Trump. Random streams of thoughts, barbs and nonsense but it somehow just about worked for me this time.
He was completely different from yesterday.
Someone finally got him to realise that this shit is the real thing?
On that note I have seen a bunch of comments saying this is a scare story by the NWO to bring about a world government ......
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
I had similae issues on the worst days. Sudden shortness of breath caused by absolutely nothing. General light headedness and extreme tiredness. I would suddenly become very sleepy and not wake up for 3 or 4 hours. My body would ache when I did wake up. It was terrible.
Yes, passing off already, but weirdly episodic. Peak flow remaining good too, but that tests outflow obstruction mostly.
I think tonight is the first time I really do think the real economy will be unable to withstand this...it's all too fragile. It's not geared up for this kind of shock...this horrible virus is going to take the whole thing down...banks, personal finances, national finances...and everything that goes with it...there is no safe place for money....the only good thing about gold will be to wear it....
you been taken over by eadric
I go back a long way with Mr Thomas....he's a kindred spirit....
The news on my nephew...a London doctor....he was pollaxed yesterday, and planning how he could cope with the Excel centre.....tonight he's wolfed down an extra large donna kebab.....and asked for extra chilli sauce....
I have never had anything like it. Still no fever though.
Really look after yourself Fox....
This thing is terrifying...it really is...
you walk around the streets and people jump away from you because they are scared....
Healthy people die in a day own two...meanwhile others struggle for weeks before they succumb...some people don't know they have had it....
Gideon....I'm glad he's here was terrified and posted it.....and his wife is still poorly on and off....
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
I have to say I logged onto the twitter machine this evening and I saw rather a lot of FFS Beth Rigby you total idiot.
Hopefully the penny is slowly starting to drop among the media.
PM being out of action is a perfect excuse to drop the press conference format and replace with a scientists' briefing to scientific media, not the Lobby.
Yes, get the political journalists out and the health and science journalists in. Better for everyone.
The worst part about the press being absolutely crap at their jobs is that there are some real questions about all of this that need answers.
One I'd want answered by the NHS manager is why there seems to be an acute shortage of PPE at London hospitals and what steps are being taken to alleviate it and when can frontline staff expect the shortage to end. These are questions that doctors I know personally want answered and they aren't getting anything useful from the managers or the BMA and they feel as though they aren't being listened to.
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
There is something about Boris that tells me he doesn't like to wash his hands...he's a bit of a grubby fucker....
The worst part about the press being absolutely crap at their jobs is that there are some real questions about all of this that need answers.
One I'd want answered by the NHS manager is why there seems to be an acute shortage of PPE at London hospitals and what steps are being taken to alleviate it and when can frontline staff expect the shortage to end. These are questions that doctors I know personally want answered and they aren't getting anything useful from the managers or the BMA and they feel as though they aren't being listened to.
It isn't just about them being crap at their job, it is they 100% in this cheap gotcha mode as if normal run of the mill stuff is happening i.e. some idiot has posted something stupid on twitter or they have heard about a bust up between two ministers.
They are neither really asking proper questions or using the opportunity to assist the government to provide some answers to points of confusion.
Instead all we get is this opinion piece masquerading as a question, followed by and that is why you are crap aren't you minister.
I see large parts of the media are basically saying serves you right Boris and Hancock for getting it, you didn't practice what you preach.
They have to find their spin angle to do down Boris.
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
And if they had hidden away from them and only come out in Putin-esque hazmat suits, they would have been accused of trying avoid the media, getting preferential treatment and scaring the public.
I begin to despise the media.
Enough of their crap.
There is something about Boris that tells me he doesn't like to wash his hands...he's a bit of a grubby fucker....
You really have lost all sense of proportion.....
I'm joking....if you cannot joke in a time of crisis..when can you?
It's Boris's hair shuffling....
if I picked this thing up (or when) I'd like nothing more than someone to poke fun at me rather than be morbid....
Or do you subscribe to the view that we have to deify those above us?.
Sturgeon said there were 72 people in ICU in Scotland at present. Assuming this scales up there would be ~1000 people suffering from Covid-19 in ICU beds around the UK. At an equivalent stage (4 days into their lockdown), Italy had 1328 patients in the ICU (with nearly half of those in Lombardy). This, plus the number of deaths, would this imply that our peak number of cases / mortality might be a little less than Italy? Or is this just wishful thinking?
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
Don't you think the constant repetition of the signs and symptoms of Covid19 being a cough or fever has not prepared people for the really frightening (but seemingly common) symptom of shortness of breath?
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
Don't you think the constant repetition of the signs and symptoms of Covid19 being a cough or fever has not prepared people for the really frightening (but seemingly common) symptom of shortness of breath?
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
I think the government need to do better on communicating exactly when it is that you need to go from stay at home, to get yourself to hospitals ASAP.
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
Don't you think the constant repetition of the signs and symptoms of Covid19 being a cough or fever has not prepared people for the really frightening (but seemingly common) symptom of shortness of breath?
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
I think the government need to do better on communicating exactly when it is that you need to go from stay at home, to get yourself to hospitals ASAP.
The Govt wants to keep as many people from hospitals as it can.....
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
Don't you think the constant repetition of the signs and symptoms of Covid19 being a cough or fever has not prepared people for the really frightening (but seemingly common) symptom of shortness of breath?
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
I think the government need to do better on communicating exactly when it is that you need to go from stay at home, to get yourself to hospitals ASAP.
To be fair, the 111 algorithm does do that. I went through it so that I could get my isolation note.
Sturgeon said there were 72 people in ICU in Scotland at present. Assuming this scales up there would be ~1000 people suffering from Covid-19 in ICU beds around the UK. At an equivalent stage (4 days into their lockdown), Italy had 1328 patients in the ICU (with nearly half of those in Lombardy). This, plus the number of deaths, would this imply that our peak number of cases / mortality might be a little less than Italy? Or is this just wishful thinking?
It may not scale up in a linear fashion. Scotland has a greater proportion of people with underlying health conditions than England. Scotland may have a higher rate of serious hospitalisation than England and Wales do to poor dietary standards causing health issues.
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
Don't you think the constant repetition of the signs and symptoms of Covid19 being a cough or fever has not prepared people for the really frightening (but seemingly common) symptom of shortness of breath?
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
Yes, my cough is annoying rather than distressing, it is the other symptoms...
Sturgeon said there were 72 people in ICU in Scotland at present. Assuming this scales up there would be ~1000 people suffering from Covid-19 in ICU beds around the UK. At an equivalent stage (4 days into their lockdown), Italy had 1328 patients in the ICU (with nearly half of those in Lombardy). This, plus the number of deaths, would this imply that our peak number of cases / mortality might be a little less than Italy? Or is this just wishful thinking?
It may not scale up in a linear fashion. Scotland has a greater proportion of people with underlying health conditions than England. Scotland may have a higher rate of serious hospitalisation than England and Wales do to poor dietary standards causing health issues.
Wales has more deaths from Covid per capita than Scotland.
Poor effort to just wave a picture. He should have had a nice, shiny model plane.
That plane is Boeing's "Dreamlifter", a modified 747 they use to transport parts for the 787. What's Trump saying they're going to be doing with it?
He said nothing. Just a Boeing ad.
Ah okay, so just a generic 'photo of a plane with Boeing written on the side', that happens to be a very specific plane with a very specific use.
He'd have been better off with a photo of the 747 that says USA down the side!
He said Boeing are letting them use it to move "product" around the USA.
Very large and light weight "product", obviously. A 'normal' 747 plane carries double the cargo weight and uses half as much fuel as that monstrosity.
"At 65,000 cubic feet the Dreamlifter can hold three times the volume of a 747-400F freighter."
But is only holds about 60 tonnes of cargo when full of fuel, half that of a normal 747. And the cargo bay isn't pressurised.
Call it 65 tonnes to make the maths easier, what do you know that weighs only one tonne per thousand cubic feet (c.10kg/mˆ3), that might need urgently transporting?
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
Yes similar to me. Unfortunately it seems to be like that the whole way through. My wife on Day 5 thought she was slowly getting better. She started tidying a bit and we tried making a proper tea. She was then in bed for 36 hours with fever and shallow breath. Sats fine but a real noticeable problem breathing. Really frightening. She's doing better now but not 100% confident it is done yet. If you start feeling better don't get too carried away. Take it easy and give it a few days.
Yes, am planning a quiet weekend, indeed isn't everyone?
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
Don't you think the constant repetition of the signs and symptoms of Covid19 being a cough or fever has not prepared people for the really frightening (but seemingly common) symptom of shortness of breath?
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
Yes, my cough is annoying rather than distressing, it is the other symptoms...
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
So long as the demand is there once we're all through this.
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
So long as the demand is there once we're all through this.
If it isn't there then even if we bail VA out then it'll eventually collapse anyway.
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
So long as the demand is there once we're all through this.
If it isn't there then even if we bail VA out then it'll eventually collapse anyway.
Sturgeon said there were 72 people in ICU in Scotland at present. Assuming this scales up there would be ~1000 people suffering from Covid-19 in ICU beds around the UK. At an equivalent stage (4 days into their lockdown), Italy had 1328 patients in the ICU (with nearly half of those in Lombardy). This, plus the number of deaths, would this imply that our peak number of cases / mortality might be a little less than Italy? Or is this just wishful thinking?
I think it depends. The really important thing is to avoid CV-19 getting into nursing homes. Because that's where it runs rampant.
And I think we're a lot further ahead of the curve there than Italy.
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
Branson's web of companies and investments therein may be not in a place to fund a rescue themselves?
Sturgeon said there were 72 people in ICU in Scotland at present. Assuming this scales up there would be ~1000 people suffering from Covid-19 in ICU beds around the UK. At an equivalent stage (4 days into their lockdown), Italy had 1328 patients in the ICU (with nearly half of those in Lombardy). This, plus the number of deaths, would this imply that our peak number of cases / mortality might be a little less than Italy? Or is this just wishful thinking?
I think it depends. The really important thing is to avoid CV-19 getting into nursing homes. Because that's where it runs rampant.
And I think we're a lot further ahead of the curve there than Italy.
Absolutely. But none of these deaths will pop up in any current mortality statistics as the patients sadly wouldn't make it to a hospital. Instead they would be given palliative care.
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
I have hundreds of thousands of Virgin miles, so I would be sad to see them go bust. (They also owe me for four flights from Los Angeles to London that are due to fly... tomorrow...)
But you are absolutely correct that their going bust has very little practical impact. The reality is that the current equity holders lose everything. The debt holders probably take a 20% haircut, and then someone else ends up owning the assets, that they may (or may not) still call Virgin Atlantic.
I think we all need to be a little bit careful not to coddle the owners of capital too much.
If Virgin went bust, someone would buy the planes. There would still be demand for flights from London to Los Angeles. In all probability, all the pilots and cabin crew would end up employed.
Everytime we bail out a Richard Branson, we encourage him to borrow more next time, safe in the knowledge the government will prevent him from going bust.
Bail outs don't save jobs. They simply worsen wealth inequality.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
Until a vaccine is found it will not be 'well and truly beaten', all you can do is lockdown around the peak and keep increasing testing in the meantime
Can we have a sweepstake on which month PBers will once more start whining about the NHS being treated as a religion?
OK, since you ask, and your post is aimed at denouncing the heresy.
The British doctors and nurses are equally heroic to the French or German doctors and nurses, but they're going to have to deal with this crisis in a system barely has the capacity to handle a regular seasonal flu.
British people treat the NHS like a religion, and fewer people would die if they treated it like most other developed countries treat their healthcare systems, instead of a religion.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
Until a vaccine is found it will not be 'well and truly beaten', all you can do is lockdown around the peak and keep increasing testing in the meantime
People aren't going to work and pack themselves into trains, tubes, offices and factories if they feel that their lives are in danger. There has to be something in place that makes them feel safe. More testing isn't enough, it needs the Korean style tracking and tracing. If Johnson doesn't like that sort of thing then any relaxation isn't going to fly. What's his preference, much closer and invasive surveillance or keeping a high level of lockdown? He can't have both.
Can we have a sweepstake on which month PBers will once more start whining about the NHS being treated as a religion?
OK, since you ask, and your post is aimed at denouncing the heresy.
The British doctors and nurses are equally heroic to the French or German doctors and nurses, but they're going to have to deal with this crisis in a system barely has the capacity to handle a regular seasonal flu.
British people treat the NHS like a religion, and fewer people would die if they treated it like most other developed countries treat their healthcare systems, instead of a religion.
Perhaps (as with other faiths) the heretics are as complicit in keeping the NHS religion going as the believers, ie it's a convenient straw man to distract from actually coming up with a workable and likely more expensive alternative.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
Until a vaccine is found it will not be 'well and truly beaten', all you can do is lockdown around the peak and keep increasing testing in the meantime
People aren't going to work and pack themselves into trains, tubes, offices and factories if they feel that their lives are in danger. There has to be something in place that makes them feel safe. More testing isn't enough, it needs the Korean style tracking and tracing. If Johnson doesn't like that sort of thing then any relaxation isn't going to fly. What's his preference, much closer and invasive surveillance or keeping a high level of lockdown? He can't have both.
The pictures on the tube from a few days ago suggest otherwise.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
Until a vaccine is found it will not be 'well and truly beaten', all you can do is lockdown around the peak and keep increasing testing in the meantime
People aren't going to work and pack themselves into trains, tubes, offices and factories if they feel that their lives are in danger. There has to be something in place that makes them feel safe. More testing isn't enough, it needs the Korean style tracking and tracing. If Johnson doesn't like that sort of thing then any relaxation isn't going to fly. What's his preference, much closer and invasive surveillance or keeping a high level of lockdown? He can't have both.
The pictures on the tube from a few days ago suggest otherwise.
That was because there were fewer tubes running. They're dangerous running like that, the outcry over it wasn't surprising.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
Until a vaccine is found it will not be 'well and truly beaten', all you can do is lockdown around the peak and keep increasing testing in the meantime
People aren't going to work and pack themselves into trains, tubes, offices and factories if they feel that their lives are in danger. There has to be something in place that makes them feel safe. More testing isn't enough, it needs the Korean style tracking and tracing. If Johnson doesn't like that sort of thing then any relaxation isn't going to fly. What's his preference, much closer and invasive surveillance or keeping a high level of lockdown? He can't have both.
The pictures on the tube from a few days ago suggest otherwise.
That was because there were fewer tubes running. They're dangerous running like that, the outcry over it wasn't surprising.
Yet people were still willing to pack themselves into it.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
Until a vaccine is found it will not be 'well and truly beaten', all you can do is lockdown around the peak and keep increasing testing in the meantime
People aren't going to work and pack themselves into trains, tubes, offices and factories if they feel that their lives are in danger. There has to be something in place that makes them feel safe. More testing isn't enough, it needs the Korean style tracking and tracing. If Johnson doesn't like that sort of thing then any relaxation isn't going to fly. What's his preference, much closer and invasive surveillance or keeping a high level of lockdown? He can't have both.
He can have both, with lockdown reserved for the peak and we will have to have both
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
What you're describing is a good outcome: You remove the compulsion, and people who really need to travel on the tube do, but people who can reasonably avoid it don't.
This is a game of averages: The goal is for the average infected person to give it to less than 1 person, instead of the 3 or whatever who would have got it before. If most people don't travel, they hold down their part of the average, and the people who do travel also have a somewhat lower average, because the trains are less crowded.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
What you're describing is a good outcome: You remove the compulsion, and people who really need to travel on the tube do, but people who can reasonably avoid it don't.
This is a game of averages: The goal is for the average infected person to give it to less than 1 person, instead of the 3 or whatever who would have got it before. If most people don't travel, they hold down their part of the average, and the people who do travel also have a somewhat lower average, because the trains are less crowded.
Which would be fine if businesses gave their workforce the option of not travelling but that didn't appear to happen. Plenty of people were being coerced into the situation. I don't think they were happy to be on the tube, they were just given little option. That's not a good outcome at all.
If that’s the attitude we’re doomed. It’s as though they want to be Korea but can’t be arsed to put the work in. If they try and force people back into circulation before it’s well and truly beaten here, they’re going to find a hell of a lot of resistance, Or, have the behavioural scientists somehow mislaid the chapter on self preservation?
What you're describing is a good outcome: You remove the compulsion, and people who really need to travel on the tube do, but people who can reasonably avoid it don't.
This is a game of averages: The goal is for the average infected person to give it to less than 1 person, instead of the 3 or whatever who would have got it before. If most people don't travel, they hold down their part of the average, and the people who do travel also have a somewhat lower average, because the trains are less crowded.
Which would be fine if businesses gave their workforce the option of not travelling but that didn't appear to happen. Plenty of people were being coerced into the situation. I don't think they were happy to be on the tube, they were just given little option. That's not a good outcome at all.
Fair enough, when I say "good" here I mean relative to the alternatives...
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
I have hundreds of thousands of Virgin miles, so I would be sad to see them go bust. (They also owe me for four flights from Los Angeles to London that are due to fly... tomorrow...)
But you are absolutely correct that their going bust has very little practical impact. The reality is that the current equity holders lose everything. The debt holders probably take a 20% haircut, and then someone else ends up owning the assets, that they may (or may not) still call Virgin Atlantic.
I think we all need to be a little bit careful not to coddle the owners of capital too much.
If Virgin went bust, someone would buy the planes. There would still be demand for flights from London to Los Angeles. In all probability, all the pilots and cabin crew would end up employed.
Everytime we bail out a Richard Branson, we encourage him to borrow more next time, safe in the knowledge the government will prevent him from going bust.
Bail outs don't save jobs. They simply worsen wealth inequality.
I was well enough to do some light gardening today, have a drive through swab and Zoom a Church Committee meeting. Feeling so fine that I was wondering if it was my imagination.
Then suddenly a tight chest, light headed and a real effort to breath. O2 sats remaining good, but scary.
I had similae issues on the worst days. Sudden shortness of breath caused by absolutely nothing. General light headedness and extreme tiredness. I would suddenly become very sleepy and not wake up for 3 or 4 hours. My body would ache when I did wake up. It was terrible.
Yes, passing off already, but weirdly episodic. Peak flow remaining good too, but that tests outflow obstruction mostly.
A bailout to save a brand would be pointless. The planes and the pilots aren't going anywhere. If their owners won't save them then I'm sure that the new replacements will be fine.
I have hundreds of thousands of Virgin miles, so I would be sad to see them go bust. (They also owe me for four flights from Los Angeles to London that are due to fly... tomorrow...)
But you are absolutely correct that their going bust has very little practical impact. The reality is that the current equity holders lose everything. The debt holders probably take a 20% haircut, and then someone else ends up owning the assets, that they may (or may not) still call Virgin Atlantic.
I think we all need to be a little bit careful not to coddle the owners of capital too much.
If Virgin went bust, someone would buy the planes. There would still be demand for flights from London to Los Angeles. In all probability, all the pilots and cabin crew would end up employed.
Everytime we bail out a Richard Branson, we encourage him to borrow more next time, safe in the knowledge the government will prevent him from going bust.
Bail outs don't save jobs. They simply worsen wealth inequality.
Flight VS688 from JFK lands at Heathrow in 10 minutes...
I can see that the nation will need functioning airlines again soon, but no bailout should be unconditional. The question is what strings should be attached. Perhaps the official receiver could take over the airline as a going concern, and then privatise it next year.
Good morning Pb-ers from me, too. Let us hope for, if not good news, a little more sanity. At least, it being Saturday and there's no sport, public transport should be less crowded.
Both Italy and France have said doctors can now prescribe hydroxychloroquine – a less toxic version of the malaria drug chloroquine – even though there is no robust evidence to prove that it is effective against Covid-19.
Popular pressure for access to the drug has been ramped up by pronouncements from presidents Donald Trump in the US and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, both of whom have claimed it is a cure...
(edit)... it appears to be a rapid genetic screen: ID NOW is a rapid, instrument-based, isothermal system for the qualitative detection of infectious diseases. Its unique isothermal nucleic acid amplification technology provides molecular results in just minutes...
So Nadine continuing to work rather than isolating while waiting for her test result is likely responsible for accelerating transmission around Westminster...
Both Italy and France have said doctors can now prescribe hydroxychloroquine – a less toxic version of the malaria drug chloroquine – even though there is no robust evidence to prove that it is effective against Covid-19.
Popular pressure for access to the drug has been ramped up by pronouncements from presidents Donald Trump in the US and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, both of whom have claimed it is a cure...
A Bulletin yesterday from my IFA referred to Trumps comments as a 'hopeful sign'. I've emailed my disapproval.
The first death in Spain was on 3rd March and in the UK just two days later on 5th March. Yet Spain is now on 5,138 compared to 773 in the UK. (Spain was on 3,647 two days ago).
Just a general point (not really relevant in this case) but people need to be very careful about drawing conclusions from worldometer figures. In general they are just a collation of officially released figures. Comparability is dangerous because there is little to no attempt to reflect the fact that each country releases figures differently, and on the basis of different criteria. And there is some obviously nonsensical stuff in there concerning numbers “recovered” cases and “active” and/or “critical” cases, which largely isn’t being routinely reportedly.
Good morning Pb-ers from me, too. Let us hope for, if not good news, a little more sanity. At least, it being Saturday and there's no sport, public transport should be less crowded.
Anything like normal Saturday shopping will strain supermarkets' new social distancing rules that greatly reduce capacity.
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Night all.
Wasn't he squealing at the government over helping out FlyBe with deferred tax payments, only a couple of months ago?
Don't expect any sympathy if you and yours and go down with it, guys.
As you know, gas is much better transported in pressurised tanks, which are bloody heavy!
The news on my nephew...a London doctor....he was pollaxed yesterday, and planning how he could cope with the Excel centre.....tonight he's wolfed down an extra large donna kebab.....and asked for extra chilli sauce....
PM being out of action is a perfect excuse to drop the press conference format and replace with a scientists' briefing to scientific media, not the Lobby.
They are getting worse every day.
Someone finally got him to realise that this shit is the real thing?
On that note I have seen a bunch of comments saying this is a scare story by the NWO to bring about a world government ......
I am back at work next Thursday, so hope to be clear by then. The on call team could be rather thin by then...
This thing is terrifying...it really is...
you walk around the streets and people jump away from you because they are scared....
Healthy people die in a day own two...meanwhile others struggle for weeks before they succumb...some people don't know they have had it....
Gideon....I'm glad he's here was terrified and posted it.....and his wife is still poorly on and off....
Future MP?
One I'd want answered by the NHS manager is why there seems to be an acute shortage of PPE at London hospitals and what steps are being taken to alleviate it and when can frontline staff expect the shortage to end. These are questions that doctors I know personally want answered and they aren't getting anything useful from the managers or the BMA and they feel as though they aren't being listened to.
They are neither really asking proper questions or using the opportunity to assist the government to provide some answers to points of confusion.
Instead all we get is this opinion piece masquerading as a question, followed by and that is why you are crap aren't you minister.
It's Boris's hair shuffling....
if I picked this thing up (or when) I'd like nothing more than someone to poke fun at me rather than be morbid....
Or do you subscribe to the view that we have to deify those above us?.
I think we need more case studies in the media of the heterogeneity in how it presents and then progresses. This will help people to set expectations and understand what the trigger points are to seek further help.
"Virgin Atlantic to seek bailout in coming days"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52066640
Fox News has Biden 49 / Trumpton 40
And I think we're a lot further ahead of the curve there than Italy.
https://twitter.com/CalumDavey/status/1243618530643398656
But you are absolutely correct that their going bust has very little practical impact. The reality is that the current equity holders lose everything. The debt holders probably take a 20% haircut, and then someone else ends up owning the assets, that they may (or may not) still call Virgin Atlantic.
I think we all need to be a little bit careful not to coddle the owners of capital too much.
If Virgin went bust, someone would buy the planes. There would still be demand for flights from London to Los Angeles. In all probability, all the pilots and cabin crew would end up employed.
Everytime we bail out a Richard Branson, we encourage him to borrow more next time, safe in the knowledge the government will prevent him from going bust.
Bail outs don't save jobs. They simply worsen wealth inequality.
That said, they are financially sound, so I would expect them to be able to ride this out.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-lawmakers-race-to-washington-to-ensure-coronavirus-stimulus-passes-11585318472
The British doctors and nurses are equally heroic to the French or German doctors and nurses, but they're going to have to deal with this crisis in a system barely has the capacity to handle a regular seasonal flu.
British people treat the NHS like a religion, and fewer people would die if they treated it like most other developed countries treat their healthcare systems, instead of a religion.
This is a game of averages: The goal is for the average infected person to give it to less than 1 person, instead of the 3 or whatever who would have got it before. If most people don't travel, they hold down their part of the average, and the people who do travel also have a somewhat lower average, because the trains are less crowded.
hmmmmmmmmm
https://youtu.be/54XLXg4fYsc
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1243543468187811845
The thing I see not mentioned is that this may only be the first wave.
Buyers for airline assets? Not many.
Sellers of airline assets? Many.....
Hope you recover swiftly, Dr. Foxy. And thank you for posting about how quickly the impact can change.
I can see that the nation will need functioning airlines again soon, but no bailout should be unconditional. The question is what strings should be attached. Perhaps the official receiver could take over the airline as a going concern, and then privatise it next year.
His sneering and political statements over the last few years are going to do him zero favours.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/uk-scientists-enrol-volunteers-for-coronavirus-vaccine-trial
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/vital-drug-people-lupus-coronavirus-covid-19-link-hydroxychloroquine
A stampede for an unproven “cure” for Covid-19 is clearing the pharmacy shelves of a medicine that is vital for up to 5 million people around the world suffering from lupus, as countries bow to populist pressure and abandon the trials that would show whether hydroxychloroquine works against coronavirus infection.
Both Italy and France have said doctors can now prescribe hydroxychloroquine – a less toxic version of the malaria drug chloroquine – even though there is no robust evidence to prove that it is effective against Covid-19.
Popular pressure for access to the drug has been ramped up by pronouncements from presidents Donald Trump in the US and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, both of whom have claimed it is a cure...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/frontline-nhs-staff-first-to-receive-new-covid-19-antigen-tests
Together with an accurate antibody test, once available on a large scale, this would make track and trace massively simpler.
https://twitter.com/VivekSubbiah/status/1243694224547209217
(edit)... it appears to be a rapid genetic screen:
ID NOW is a rapid, instrument-based, isothermal system for the qualitative detection of infectious diseases. Its unique isothermal nucleic acid amplification technology provides molecular results in just minutes...