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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    HYUFD said:

    Despite more French cases and deaths than the UK
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241477088558940166?s=20

    I thought they'd already done that?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    FlightRadar24 is a sight to behold - not a single aircraft over the whole of the southwest at the moment!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    @eadric. Since you are the site sage... What happens next? When will this end?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Jonathan said:
    Graphologists will have a field day.....
  • ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 69
    Attention all PB Engineers!
    Does the Government spec refer to up to date state-of-the-art ventilators, or previous generation lower tech models (therefore cheaper and simpler to make).

    Please reassure me the spec is not for the former?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    Despite more French cases and deaths than the UK
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241477088558940166?s=20

    At the moment. It’s bloody stupid that people say the UK won’t accept lockdown, just tell them that is how it is and then deal with the 5% who know better. PBS still open today, people on the beach it’s ridiculous what are the government scared of? This silly league table of deaths and infections means nothing, almost all European countries are heading in the same direction to say we’re doing better than country x is just plain stupid, Willy waving nationalism. We can work out who did best when it’s over.
  • FlightRadar24 is a sight to behold - not a single aircraft over the whole of the southwest at the moment!

    Just heard the Dublin to Dubai plane overhead here in Llandudno

    But flight radar tells a story of much less flying
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Yorkcity

    Keir

    K-E-I-R

    Why can’t PBers spell the given names of the Loto Elect and the Chancellor?

    Why don't we just call him Kir? A great name for a champagne socialist.....
    Keir Royale !
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    FlightRadar24 is a sight to behold - not a single aircraft over the whole of the southwest at the moment!

    Plenty of planes carrying people back and forth all over the US, though.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037
    Jonathan said:
    She's also got a lot more social responsibility than far too many adults.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,712
    edited March 2020
    The USA now has the third highest number of confirmed cases, overtaking Spain.

    https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    HYUFD said:
    What's 'The New London Times' - is that a reputable outlet?
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    geoffw said:

    The 83 year old explorer Robin Hanbury-Tenison has got it. His son Merlin tells about it here.
    Let's hope he pulls through.

    Shit.

    Caught it skiing in France.

    "The last five days have been hellish. The ambulance took him to Derriford Hospital in Plymouth. He was put in an isolation ward, with a number of tubes feeding in and out of him. He’s now been diagnosed with the dreaded. At the beginning, he WhatsApped the family and kept us up to date, even though he was clearly exhausted, nervous, and scared. I asked one of the doctors to take him some pears, his favourite fruit.

    But even then fluid continued to fill his lungs and at 4am on Wednesday, he was sedated and put on a ventilator. He is still under sedation now as we hope that his lungs drain over the weekend.

    A doctor cheerily told him that, for someone of his age and in his current condition, he has a 20 per cent chance of survival.

    I write this because there are a lot of people still scoffing at the government’s advice. But a British stiff upper lip isn’t enough. My father is healthier than most 60 year olds and still, his decline was rapid – over a matter of a few days. My pregnant wife and I will be self-isolating for the next 12 weeks."
    That's a pretty accurate description
    All best wishes to you and your father, Charles. Thinking of you.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    When the hospitals fill up then the triage will be something like this.

    If you are old with Covid19 you won't get near a hospital. You'll stay at home, be prescribed some morphine and will do your best there.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    HYUFD said:



    No this is temporary relief for the months of lockdown not long term socialism or even social democracy.
    It should also be pointed out in any case our top income tax rate is the same rate as Germany's already and Sweden has a more insurance based healthcare system and voucher based education system than we do. It is not as black and white as above

    Sweden has moved further from the traditional Scandinavian social democratic model than Denmark or Norway I believe but the point isn't about them.

    Now that Sunak has turned on the spending taps and once people get used to that level of support it's going to be very hard to go back. Once the financial methodone of QE was applied to the markets it took years to get them off it.

    What you describe as "temporary relief" may end up lasting a lot longer and costing a lost more unless you want to pay the political price of turning it off too soon.

  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    So 6-15 million.

    I think that's the largest prediction I've seen so far.

    Please provide your workings Plot Outlines. Marks can not be given for wrong answers unless you supply your workings plot and characterisations
    Fixed that for you @Charles, but maybe somebody should tell him that Tom Clancy did the plague/pandemic novel a few years back...

    ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sorted a few of the oldies on the IoW, with a no touch social distancing technique. Tesco's in Ryde fairly heavily stripped, and the Island closing down. Only two known cases here, but there will be more, and knowing how small and poor St Mary's Hospital is, there be trouble ahead. Seaview and Bembridge second homes filling with refugees from the Smoke.

    Back to the maelstrom Monday.

    Interesting map of current hotspots here:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1241469577239855107?s=19

    I had fish and chips on Shanklin beach today.

    The island is peaceful and most of the key shops still open.

    Everyone I met and saw was taking it seriously.
    Yes, all getting organised here, in reasonable time.

    It is going to hit the Wight quite hard economically in the short term, but in the longer term may mean the revival of the British seaside tourist industry.
    We come here twice a year.

    My wife and I always take a couple of days to adjust to how friendly people are here. We get stopped and talked to regularly (from 2-3m away of course) and isolated beaches were recommended to us.

    We'll be coming back in the summer, if we can.
    I am hoping to be back at Easter. Mrs Foxy has quite a bit of family here, so we come fairly regularly. My Trust is planning to honour Annual Leave, knowing that burnout will be a problem otherwise, if indeed it does go on for months.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    HYUFD said:

    Despite more French cases and deaths than the UK
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241477088558940166?s=20

    How many people are traveling from the UK to France?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited March 2020
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:



    No this is temporary relief for the months of lockdown not long term socialism or even social democracy.
    It should also be pointed out in any case our top income tax rate is the same rate as Germany's already and Sweden has a more insurance based healthcare system and voucher based education system than we do. It is not as black and white as above

    Sweden has moved further from the traditional Scandinavian social democratic model than Denmark or Norway I believe but the point isn't about them.

    Now that Sunak has turned on the spending taps and once people get used to that level of support it's going to be very hard to go back. Once the financial methodone of QE was applied to the markets it took years to get them off it.

    What you describe as "temporary relief" may end up lasting a lot longer and costing a lost more unless you want to pay the political price of turning it off too soon.

    Given the political price of keeping it going too long is vastly higher taxes for all of them that is not going to happen, certainly from a Conservative Government anyway.

    The top income tax rate in Norway is also now just 23% plus 8% social security
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Chaotic, all over the shop - but his heart is in the right place.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,602
    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Sadly too many numpties still don't get. When we end up in total lockdown the main culprits will be those that were too thick to follow sensible advice so it left no option but to pose draconian measures.
  • Charles said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    So 6-15 million.

    I think that's the largest prediction I've seen so far.

    Please provide your workings Plot Outlines. Marks can not be given for wrong answers unless you supply your workings plot and characterisations
    Fixed that for you @Charles, but maybe somebody should tell him that Tom Clancy did the plague/pandemic novel a few years back...

    ;)
    And very good it was
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    To put this in more context... 12 months ago who would have predicted that public health bods would be demanding parks be closed to stop people exercising!!
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    Do you mean it’s wrong to shut the parks? Plenty of ways to exercise without running in public places
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,602
    edited March 2020
    Gabs3 said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Those are ridiculous numbers.
    I’m talking about Pb. Elderly male demographic, half of whom are still out drinking, apparently
    The true death rate for over 60s is about 6-7%. Over 70s is 15%.
    Those are the percentages for those who actually get symptoms I think.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Foxy said:

    A report from a Specialist Trainee in London:

    I received an email at 5pm on Thursday 19th March with over 150 doctors allocated to teams and varying shift patterns. We were informed that this would stretch, at the least, over the next 24 days but most likely for the forseeable future. We were expected, as per the rota, to start at 9am Friday 20th March. Yes, we were all shocked at the exponential pace of the changes and escalation.

    The rota follows the following shift pattern. Each shift was a 12 hour shift (8am-8pm/ 8pm-8am)

    1. 3 days on
    2. 3 days off
    3. 3 days on
    4. 3 days off
    5. 3 nights on
    6. 3 days off
    7. 3 nights on
    8. 3 days off

    I turned up at 8pm to the medical handover. There were over 30 juniors there for the night team, 5 consultants. Put that into perspective,where there are normally 5/6 night medical doctors on. They are taking this seriously and trying to act early. The entire rota was explained;we were divided into teams that we would stay in for the foreseeable future, which consisted of 6 people (2 SpRs, 2 SHOs and 2 FY1s).

    With regard to PPE and training, I was worried that I had missed mask fitting and never had training as I think we all are. In fact none of the medics and most of ITU even have not had mask fitting and/or have failed the mask test. It seems like there are 2 types of FFP3 masks (1 that requires fitting, 1 that does not). When seeing a CoVID confirmed patient, the guidance is to wear a surgical mask, apron and gloves. There is a clear protocol with procedures such as taking bloods and cannulation that I’ve been taught. For crash calls and intubated patients, full PPE is required. I’ll be honest I haven’t yet received training on this and have been told clearly until I do, I will not be involved in care of these patients.

    I don't think things are out of control there yet, but this is a shadow rota, as a rapid induction to what is to come. Good morale and commitment, it sounds.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    geoffw said:

    The 83 year old explorer Robin Hanbury-Tenison has got it. His son Merlin tells about it here.
    Let's hope he pulls through.

    Shit.

    Caught it skiing in France.

    "The last five days have been hellish. The ambulance took him to Derriford Hospital in Plymouth. He was put in an isolation ward, with a number of tubes feeding in and out of him. He’s now been diagnosed with the dreaded. At the beginning, he WhatsApped the family and kept us up to date, even though he was clearly exhausted, nervous, and scared. I asked one of the doctors to take him some pears, his favourite fruit.

    But even then fluid continued to fill his lungs and at 4am on Wednesday, he was sedated and put on a ventilator. He is still under sedation now as we hope that his lungs drain over the weekend.

    A doctor cheerily told him that, for someone of his age and in his current condition, he has a 20 per cent chance of survival.

    I write this because there are a lot of people still scoffing at the government’s advice. But a British stiff upper lip isn’t enough. My father is healthier than most 60 year olds and still, his decline was rapid – over a matter of a few days. My pregnant wife and I will be self-isolating for the next 12 weeks."
    That's a pretty accurate description
    All best wishes to you and your father, Charles. Thinking of you.
    Thank you
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Yes, I think it would. As the new House and Senate have to meet by a fixed date in January and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate is fourth in line to the succession.

    Yes, BUT. Firstly, the Constitution does not require the Electoral College be elected by popular vote: the states can use whatever means they like, and historically many states' legislatures appointed their electors. This pretty much ended by the 1830s, with only South Carolina holding out until after the Civil War. The last state to do so was Colorado in 1876 when it had been admitted to the Union just before the election and didn't have the time or resources to hold it.

    So, there are currently 223 EC seats in Democrat-controlled states (including DC) and 305 EC seats in Republican-controlled states, with 13 in states with a split legislature, which we'll assume will be unable to appoint. Now, what I'm not sure about is whether the state legislature's appointment of electors can be vetoed by the state governor, but let's assume they can under the usual rules re veto override by a 2/3 supermajority. Democratic states with 28 EVs have Republican governors, and Republican states with 87 EVs have Democratic governors.

    To be elected by the EC, you have to have a majority of the electors appointed, so any state that failed to appoint electors because of a split legislature or gubernatorial veto will not be included.

    But, it's the incoming Congress that counts the votes, which if no elections were held at all would at a minimum be the likely majority-Democratic 2/3 of the Senate whose terms have not expired.

    If it goes to a "contingent election" because the Electoral College could not produce a majority, then the incoming House elects the President, with each state delegation possessing one vote. If only part of the House was successfully elected, then the problem is that the quorum for the contingent election is delegations representing 2/3 of the states.

    So yes, Patrick Leahy could be the next President, but only if

    1) There is no Presidential election in November in some or all of the states
    2) None of the states that did not elect Electors appoint Electors in lieu of elected ones
    3) There is no Electoral College or any rump EC that does get constituted by election or appointment fails to elect a President/VP
    4) There are insufficient new House members elected to form a quorum for a contingent election.
    5) No new House members at all are elected so there is no Speaker of the House
    6) The Democrats do indeed form a majority of the 2/3 of the Senate that was not up for re-election in 2020
    7) They choose to make Leahy President Pro-Tem of the Senate and not someone else: most likely Chuck Schumer would put himself forward to take the Presidency as he's the leader of the Democratic caucus in the Senate.

    So it's not impossible, but pretty unlikely!
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    To put this in more context... 12 months ago who would have predicted that public health bods would be demanding parks be closed to stop people exercising!!
    Nobody is stoping you exercise, run up an down your stairs or on the spot for goodness sake
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Iran is in Asia is it not? The virus also originated from China
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    So 6-15 million.

    I think that's the largest prediction I've seen so far.

    Please provide your workings Plot Outlines. Marks can not be given for wrong answers unless you supply your workings plot and characterisations
    Fixed that for you @Charles, but maybe somebody should tell him that Tom Clancy did the plague/pandemic novel a few years back...

    ;)
    Arthur Hailey did it twice :smiley:

    [Final Diagnosis and Strong Medicine]
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited March 2020
    US growth rate in total cases the last three days: 44%, 48%, 43%. Today's figure is 31%, but I think that's not yet a full day's worth.

    Even if it averages 30% the rest of the month, they're looking at 400 thousand cases on 1/April. 25% would be 250k, 35% 630k.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    nichomar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    To put this in more context... 12 months ago who would have predicted that public health bods would be demanding parks be closed to stop people exercising!!
    Nobody is stoping you exercise, run up an down your stairs or on the spot for goodness sake
    I thought we were told by the scientist at yesterday's HMG presser that getting out for individual exercise was fine, provided you keep a good distance from others?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    HYUFD said:

    Iran is in Asia is it not? The virus also originated from China
    You keep making this point about the source of the virus. I am not sure why you think it’s relevant.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Andy_JS said:

    Gabs3 said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Those are ridiculous numbers.
    I’m talking about Pb. Elderly male demographic, half of whom are still out drinking, apparently
    The true death rate for over 60s is about 6-7%. Over 70s is 15%.
    Those are the percentages for those who actually get symptoms I think.
    Do we know yet whether the numbers of asymptomatic change with the age profile? Are up to 90% of Crumblies showing no symptoms too - just far more susceptible if they do contract it?
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,910
    Andrew said:

    US growth rate in total cases the last three days: 44%, 48%, 43%. Today's figure is 31%, but I think that's not yet a full day's worth.

    Even if it averages 30% the rest of the month, they're looking at 400 thousand cases on 1/April. 25% would be 250k, 35% 630k.

    Columbia University modelling of the known cases put a figure of the real cases being 11 times higher.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    nichomar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    To put this in more context... 12 months ago who would have predicted that public health bods would be demanding parks be closed to stop people exercising!!
    Nobody is stoping you exercise, run up an down your stairs or on the spot for goodness sake
    I thought we were told by the scientist at yesterday's HMG presser that getting out for individual exercise was fine, provided you keep a good distance from others?
    People will bend the rules, you go for a run bump into someone you know and before long these is five people having a chat. Stay. at home don’t go out unless for essential supplies don’t invite your mates round just get on with it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Andy_JS said:

    Gabs3 said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Those are ridiculous numbers.
    I’m talking about Pb. Elderly male demographic, half of whom are still out drinking, apparently
    The true death rate for over 60s is about 6-7%. Over 70s is 15%.
    Those are the percentages for those who actually get symptoms I think.
    Do we know yet whether the numbers of asymptomatic change with the age profile? Are up to 90% of Crumblies showing no symptoms too - just far more susceptible if they do contract it?
    I don't think anyone really knows, but the figures from the Seattle care home suggests not.

    It would be great if there were loads of asymptomatic cases, but we cannot count on it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Iran is in Asia is it not? The virus also originated from China
    You keep making this point about the source of the virus. I am not sure why you think it’s relevant.
    It is absolutely relevant as we must ensure that China closes all its live meat markets and bat experiments or effectively restrict all travel to China indefinitely once this is over
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,605

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1241464031958970368?s=20
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Alistair said:
    Yes wait why wait until now?

    The problem in British society has not been PANIC it has been IGNORANCE, APATHY and SELFISHNESS.

    Who cares about fighting over bog roll? The problem from the start has been 'Keep calm and carry on'.

    Well we are about to reap the whirlwind.

    God help us and god help up our front line workers.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,253
    edited March 2020
    ..
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,602

    Andy_JS said:

    Gabs3 said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Those are ridiculous numbers.
    I’m talking about Pb. Elderly male demographic, half of whom are still out drinking, apparently
    The true death rate for over 60s is about 6-7%. Over 70s is 15%.
    Those are the percentages for those who actually get symptoms I think.
    Do we know yet whether the numbers of asymptomatic change with the age profile? Are up to 90% of Crumblies showing no symptoms too - just far more susceptible if they do contract it?
    I don't think we know yet.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2020
    Andy_JS said:
    It's absolutely ridiculous, people are flooding the Highlands at the moment.
  • Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:
    It's absolutely ridiculous, people are flooding the Highlands at the moment.
    And Snowdonia
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    I am afraid that triage is inevitable, and those most likely to recover, and to recover quickly will be prioritised.
  • MattW said:

    felix said:

    Coronavirus UK : 8,000 more hospital beds and 20,000 extra staff join COVID-19 fight
    Nearly 20,000 fully qualified staff will join the NHS response to coronavirus after a deal with the private sector which will include 8,000 more hospital beds being made available.
    More follows...

    Sky News

    They still need to fire up the Quattro on getting those ventilators being banged out morning, noon and night.
    It's a good job we have a private sector to be a swing resource :-) /.
    Sky just showed a tech firm that is about to produce 1,000 a day
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited March 2020
    Andrew said:

    US growth rate in total cases the last three days: 44%, 48%, 43%. Today's figure is 31%, but I think that's not yet a full day's worth.

    Even if it averages 30% the rest of the month, they're looking at 400 thousand cases on 1/April. 25% would be 250k, 35% 630k.

    The Worldometer state-by-state chart for the US seems to indicate that today's new case/fatality figures for some states, including Washington, are yet to be added.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    Edit: Washington figures for today now added.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:
    Yes wait why wait until now?

    The problem in British society has not been PANIC it has been IGNORANCE, APATHY and SELFISHNESS.

    Who cares about fighting over bog roll? The problem from the start has been 'Keep calm and carry on'.

    Well we are about to reap the whirlwind.

    God help us and god help up our front line workers.

    Probably didn't help that at the start of the month the PM was telling everyone that he had been shaking hands with all and sundry whist at a hospital with coronavirus patients. Giving the impression it was all a fuss over nothing.

    The fact he was lying and there were no Covid-19 patients at the hospital he went to makes it even worse.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    I take this seriously but scare tactics are self defeating stick with advice to minimize the impact because scaring people doesn’t work. You are doing a great disservice by adopting this approach
  • eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    You are a selfish imbecile who might kill hundreds. Well done.
    Calm down and drop the abuse
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.


    We already have a volunteer delivery network in Epping up and running.

    Carers are still key workers and in families bedroom plus bathroom must be allocated to you slone if self isolating
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:
    It's absolutely ridiculous, people are flooding the Highlands at the moment.
    And Snowdonia
    And Penarth :wink:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    MattW said:

    felix said:

    Coronavirus UK : 8,000 more hospital beds and 20,000 extra staff join COVID-19 fight
    Nearly 20,000 fully qualified staff will join the NHS response to coronavirus after a deal with the private sector which will include 8,000 more hospital beds being made available.
    More follows...

    Sky News

    They still need to fire up the Quattro on getting those ventilators being banged out morning, noon and night.
    It's a good job we have a private sector to be a swing resource :-) /.
    Sky just showed a tech firm that is about to produce 1,000 a day
    Interesting. Where were they based?
  • Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    felix said:

    Coronavirus UK : 8,000 more hospital beds and 20,000 extra staff join COVID-19 fight
    Nearly 20,000 fully qualified staff will join the NHS response to coronavirus after a deal with the private sector which will include 8,000 more hospital beds being made available.
    More follows...

    Sky News

    They still need to fire up the Quattro on getting those ventilators being banged out morning, noon and night.
    It's a good job we have a private sector to be a swing resource :-) /.
    Sky just showed a tech firm that is about to produce 1,000 a day
    Interesting. Where were they based?
    I think it is G-tech who make vacuum cleaners. It was very encouraging
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:
    It's absolutely ridiculous, people are flooding the Highlands at the moment.
    And Snowdonia
    The Great Outpouring of The Asymptomatic.....
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    I see the Funboy Three are in good voice tonight.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    nichomar said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    I take this seriously but scare tactics are self defeating stick with advice to minimize the impact because scaring people doesn’t work. You are doing a great disservice by adopting this approach
    Sorry but I am merely following in the footsteps of our Prime Minister. The time for softly softly catchy monkey is over. Now is the time for the brutal truth.

    The triage will not be the friend of older people.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,605

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
    Hysteria meme. When the dust has settled I suspect there will be more deaths as a result of the hysteria meme than from the virus itself.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Preaching to the choir, I listened to you and acted accordingly. Where are you?
    Yes you understood.

    I am in a lovely little place in Penarth. Sea air good. I have spent the last week securing sanctuary for those I love, as best I can. Hence my absence. I still expect this to impact my extended family pretty grimly.

    We are all going to suffer. The blossom here is gorgeous, this Spring.

    Good choice. And if you feel peckish, I noticed on Wales online, Boofy's chippy on the front on Barry Island is still open. You might have to queue though!
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    eadric said:

    Just got a message from a good friend in New Orleans

    I quote verbatim:

    “Good acquaintance just died. Female. 39. In good health. Shit just got terrifyingly real”

    He was one of the skeptics, like most of you, just a week ago.

    And when did he leave Albania?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    I got the last pack
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.


    Exactly. The panic buying is really screwing this up for everyone. People have to go out and buy food if they can’t get it delivered.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Cyclefree said:

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.

    They may take the decision out of your hands if they feel strongly about the issue. I find that when the kids assert themselves, keeping my mouth shut can be the most difficult part of parenting :)
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,605
    eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    You are a selfish imbecile who might kill hundreds. Well done.
    You are a super spreader of the hysteria meme.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,602
    O/T

    "In 2019, 79% of UK adults own a smartphone."

    https://www.finder.com/uk/mobile-internet-statistics
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    felix said:

    Coronavirus UK : 8,000 more hospital beds and 20,000 extra staff join COVID-19 fight
    Nearly 20,000 fully qualified staff will join the NHS response to coronavirus after a deal with the private sector which will include 8,000 more hospital beds being made available.
    More follows...

    Sky News

    They still need to fire up the Quattro on getting those ventilators being banged out morning, noon and night.
    It's a good job we have a private sector to be a swing resource :-) /.
    Sky just showed a tech firm that is about to produce 1,000 a day
    Interesting. Where were they based?
    I think it is G-tech who make vacuum cleaners. It was very encouraging
    They are testing a prototype.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
    Hysteria meme. When the dust has settled I suspect there will be more deaths as a result of the hysteria meme than from the virus itself.
    You don't have clue what you are talking about though so your suspicions are worth nothing.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
    Hysteria meme. When the dust has settled I suspect there will be more deaths as a result of the hysteria meme than from the virus itself.
    You should be in prison. You utter cretin
    Please stick to facts and other interesting info.
  • Times reporting Rishi is ready to give help to the self employed
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,605
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    I am afraid that triage is inevitable, and those most likely to recover, and to recover quickly will be prioritised.
    What is the utilisation of ICUs and ventilators at the moment do you think? 10% 50% 100%?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.
    I did a "scoop and run" for Fox jr on Thursday. He had been laid off, so we gave his BTL landlord notice, and moved him out in a flit. He is self isolating at home in Leics now, thinking what to do next.

    As I was loadng his stuff, one of his neighbours was out on his balcony, with an ominous hacking cough.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    nichomar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    To put this in more context... 12 months ago who would have predicted that public health bods would be demanding parks be closed to stop people exercising!!
    Nobody is stoping you exercise, run up an down your stairs or on the spot for goodness sake
    I thought we were told by the scientist at yesterday's HMG presser that getting out for individual exercise was fine, provided you keep a good distance from others?
    Exercise of some kind is pretty essential for health. Prolonged sitting is not good. I am at risk of DVT (and having had it twice I know it is something to be avoided) so I need to move regularly. Fortunately from Monday I will have a garden with empty fields attached to run around in. But expecting others in a similar position to do without any sort of exercise is hard. Walking in empty countryside is not unreasonable, surely?
  • eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
    Hysteria meme. When the dust has settled I suspect there will be more deaths as a result of the hysteria meme than from the virus itself.
    You should be in prison. You utter cretin
    Are you for real
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    I got the last pack

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.


    Exactly. The panic buying is really screwing this up for everyone. People have to go out and buy food if they can’t get it delivered.
    Waitrose are advising you come into the store unless you are self-isolating or vulnerable beacuse they cannot keep up with the demand for deliveries and they want to make sure those who really need them get them:

    "...if you can get out safely (in line with the Government’s guidelines), we would encourage you to do your shopping in-store. This will free up extra slots for those people who find this really hard, including older people, the vulnerable and those who are self-isolating."
  • eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Preaching to the choir, I listened to you and acted accordingly. Where are you?
    Yes you understood.

    I am in a lovely little place in Penarth. Sea air good. I have spent the last week securing sanctuary for those I love, as best I can. Hence my absence. I still expect this to impact my extended family pretty grimly.

    We are all going to suffer. The blossom here is gorgeous, this Spring.

    Good choice. And if you feel peckish, I noticed on Wales online, Boofy's chippy on the front on Barry Island is still open. You might have to queue though!
    Times reporting help on the way for the self employed from the chancellor
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Times reporting Rishi is ready to give help to the self employed

    Inevitable.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    You are a selfish imbecile who might kill hundreds. Well done.
    Calm down and drop the abuse
    I don’t give a fuck any more. I tried disguising my warnings with irony and politesse. People still went.... on skiing holidays. The stupidity is staggering. The mods are free to ban me if they wish. But that of course might endanger the rest of you even more, as you listen to the last dullards who are still telling you this is all ok.
    It's not OK, but you are verging on the hysterical.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Preaching to the choir, I listened to you and acted accordingly. Where are you?
    Yes you understood.

    I am in a lovely little place in Penarth. Sea air good. I have spent the last week securing sanctuary for those I love, as best I can. Hence my absence. I still expect this to impact my extended family pretty grimly.

    We are all going to suffer. The blossom here is gorgeous, this Spring.

    Good choice. And if you feel peckish, I noticed on Wales online, Boofy's chippy on the front on Barry Island is still open. You might have to queue though!
    Times reporting help on the way for the self employed from the chancellor
    Thanks
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,605
    eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
    Hysteria meme. When the dust has settled I suspect there will be more deaths as a result of the hysteria meme than from the virus itself.
    You should be in prison. You utter cretin
    You are a super spreader.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    I got the last pack

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.


    Exactly. The panic buying is really screwing this up for everyone. People have to go out and buy food if they can’t get it delivered.
    Waitrose are advising you come into the store unless you are self-isolating or vulnerable beacuse they cannot keep up with the demand for deliveries and they want to make sure those who really need them get them:

    "...if you can get out safely (in line with the Government’s guidelines), we would encourage you to do your shopping in-store. This will free up extra slots for those people who find this really hard, including older people, the vulnerable and those who are self-isolating."
    But if everyone has to come to the store then it will just spread the virus. It’s an impossible circle to square.
  • Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    felix said:

    Coronavirus UK : 8,000 more hospital beds and 20,000 extra staff join COVID-19 fight
    Nearly 20,000 fully qualified staff will join the NHS response to coronavirus after a deal with the private sector which will include 8,000 more hospital beds being made available.
    More follows...

    Sky News

    They still need to fire up the Quattro on getting those ventilators being banged out morning, noon and night.
    It's a good job we have a private sector to be a swing resource :-) /.
    Sky just showed a tech firm that is about to produce 1,000 a day
    Interesting. Where were they based?
    I think it is G-tech who make vacuum cleaners. It was very encouraging
    They are testing a prototype.
    The report showed that the prototype is virtually ready for production and the CEO did say at 1,000 a day
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Cyclefree said:

    nichomar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I never thought a day would come when parks would have to be closed to stop people exercising.

    To put this in more context... 12 months ago who would have predicted that public health bods would be demanding parks be closed to stop people exercising!!
    Nobody is stoping you exercise, run up an down your stairs or on the spot for goodness sake
    I thought we were told by the scientist at yesterday's HMG presser that getting out for individual exercise was fine, provided you keep a good distance from others?
    Exercise of some kind is pretty essential for health. Prolonged sitting is not good. I am at risk of DVT (and having had it twice I know it is something to be avoided) so I need to move regularly. Fortunately from Monday I will have a garden with empty fields attached to run around in. But expecting others in a similar position to do without any sort of exercise is hard. Walking in empty countryside is not unreasonable, surely?
    I feel cycling (handcycling in my case) around our quiet country lanes alone is not a risk to me or anyone, but it wouldn't be allowed in France at present if I understand their restrictions correctly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Does this mean Influenza cases in Europe are through the floor?

    https://twitter.com/guffynicola/status/1241445550387412992?s=21
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Barnesian said:

    eadric said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    Ahh yes. Here is our resident good Samaritan who just HAD to get that skiing trip in Northern Italy in early March.

    Are you alright Jack?
    Hysteria meme. When the dust has settled I suspect there will be more deaths as a result of the hysteria meme than from the virus itself.
    You should be in prison. You utter cretin
    You are a super spreader.
    How many people do you think you have spread Coronavirus to?

    Was the skiing worth it?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:
    This is fine for people who already live alone. And who can get deliveries.

    But what of those who can’t?

    And what of those who have carers coming to visit them and who could not survive without them?

    Or those who live with family and who have nowhere to go to be isolated? Holiday rentals are no longer taking bookings so even that option, assuming people can afford it, is closed.

    I now don’t know whether to advise my London-based sons to stay at home for the duration or try to work as volunteers (eldest has been offering to do shopping for older family friends) / in supermarkets where the demand/ need is. Despite their youth I really don’t want them catching this.
    I did a "scoop and run" for Fox jr on Thursday. He had been laid off, so we gave his BTL landlord notice, and moved him out in a flit. He is self isolating at home in Leics now, thinking what to do next.

    As I was loadng his stuff, one of his neighbours was out on his balcony, with an ominous hacking cough.
    Mine are in a house with a garden and have pets to look after as well. But given that I am the family member at highest risk they don’t want to come here - and risk my health. I still worry about them though. They are pretty sensible. But, you know, mothers ....
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited March 2020

    MattW said:

    felix said:

    Coronavirus UK : 8,000 more hospital beds and 20,000 extra staff join COVID-19 fight
    Nearly 20,000 fully qualified staff will join the NHS response to coronavirus after a deal with the private sector which will include 8,000 more hospital beds being made available.
    More follows...

    Sky News

    They still need to fire up the Quattro on getting those ventilators being banged out morning, noon and night.
    It's a good job we have a private sector to be a swing resource :-) /.
    Sky just showed a tech firm that is about to produce 1,000 a day
    The video isn't on the page but the essentials are on https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-extraordinary-uk-effort-to-produce-thousands-more-ventilators-11961559

    Gtech have switched their focus from vacuum cleaners and garden machinery to producing ventilators and have a prototype that they believe is very close to production.

    "My understanding is that we could need 30,000 (ventilators)," its founder Nick Grey told Sky News.

    His team of engineers has developed a prototype in their Worcestershire workshops which they presented to the government on Friday.

    "I'm confident we can build them in a short time and in quite high volume… I'd estimate at a thousand a day," Mr Grey added.

    "We think we have solved all the difficult bits, we are just making the last bits of a pneumatic timer now which hopefully will be ready in a few hours. If that works we can take all the electronics off it and it will just run on oxygen supply so it is very simple."


    Several other manufacturers also mentioned: McLaren F1, HVM Catapult, RDM Automotive. Clearly some are in consortia but the Sky report doesn't detail much about who's linked with whom (except that McLaren/HVM Catapult are working together).
  • eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    You total fucking morons

    I TOLD YOU SO

    So where are you? Come out West to steal our women and our hospital beds?
    I made the greatest call in the history of PB. Better even than mike Smithson’s Obama for POTUS at 50/1

    And now about a tenth to a quarter of you are going to die.

    Preaching to the choir, I listened to you and acted accordingly. Where are you?
    Yes you understood.

    I am in a lovely little place in Penarth. Sea air good. I have spent the last week securing sanctuary for those I love, as best I can. Hence my absence. I still expect this to impact my extended family pretty grimly.

    We are all going to suffer. The blossom here is gorgeous, this Spring.

    Good choice. And if you feel peckish, I noticed on Wales online, Boofy's chippy on the front on Barry Island is still open. You might have to queue though!
    Times reporting help on the way for the self employed from the chancellor
    Thanks
    I really hope it helps you
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Barnesian said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I suspect ours will look worse.

    Do you know now pb that your life is in the hands of whoever is in charge of the triage?

    A lot won't ever make it to a hospital.
    Hysteria meme
    I am afraid that triage is inevitable, and those most likely to recover, and to recover quickly will be prioritised.
    What is the utilisation of ICUs and ventilators at the moment do you think? 10% 50% 100%?
    Getting a bit full in some Trusts but in Leicester we have capacity at present. The usual work has not gone away of course. People still have heart attacks and accidents.
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