Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
I think is about the idea of 'communion' being 'communal', and therfore the sharing of a cup is part of that.
but I suspect its also about maintaining a tradition because its 'normal' to each geration.
Arguably as nobody shares a cup in normal life nowadays, (even when going to the pub in a virus Pandemic) its no longer holds the same symbolic value, which why newer denominations have not felt the ergeg to emulate that practice.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Because when they go back to their house with Grandpa Eadric they'd probably kill him.
It is a serious question. The world is already skewed in terms of wealth, property, assets in favour of the old.
And now a nineteen year is being expected not to go out.
Maybe that is just about fine for a couple of weeks, but for two years, or more?
What has Grandpa Eadric ever done for the young ?
I recollect he was a pretty selfish, hard-partying bastard when he was young.
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
The Usual choice of silver for the chalice did, supposedly, give certain antiseptic properties*, but you're right, I don't think that would pass muster at Public Health England. * this is a property of silver, but I'd think that killing all viruses within 3-4 seconds is beyond its properties.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
They'll have to, and then in a few years down the line they'll kick out against it, and with it all of the more restrictive moral panics that had constituted the Golgafrincham B-Ark's takeover of left wing politics up to now. 10 year-olds now are really going to go nuts in 2030.
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
The Usual choice of silver for the chalice did, supposedly, give certain antiseptic properties*, but you're right, I don't think that would pass muster at Public Health England. * this is a property of silver, but I'd think that killing all viruses within 3-4 seconds is beyond its properties.
Alcohol will also kill it, but not many communion wines are 60% by volume...
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
I think is about the idea of 'communion' being 'communal', and therfore the sharing of a cup is part of that.
but I suspect its also about maintaining a tradition because its 'normal' to each geration.
Arguably as nobody shares a cup in normal life nowadays, (even when going to the pub in a virus Pandemic) its no longer holds the same symbolic value, which why newer denominations have not felt the ergeg to emulate that practice.
Do they still share the big mug of tea in prisons?
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
This isn’t about who votes for whom. It’s about right and wrong. We are emphatically not free to make our own judgements on this because enough idiots will do what they want and more will die as a result. Horribly effectively drowning in their own lung juice because people can’t foresake a pint down the pub for a few weeks.
Feel good???
I was around at the time of the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. As I was only 14 at that time I was not directly affected, but there was certainly no attempt by the Government to impose a lock-down in this way.
And that somehow justifies not following advice this time?
Make it unlawful then! I would not seek to break the law.
As a rule you don't follow advice? You do sound like the stubborn sort.
Harold Wilson certainly did not appear on our TV screens in 1968 to give us regular medical advice.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Because when they go back to their house with Grandpa Eadric they'd probably kill him.
Yes, but that's just because he's annoying, not because they're infected
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
This isn’t about who votes for whom. It’s about right and wrong. We are emphatically not free to make our own judgements on this because enough idiots will do what they want and more will die as a result. Horribly effectively drowning in their own lung juice because people can’t foresake a pint down the pub for a few weeks.
Feel good???
I was around at the time of the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. As I was only 14 at that time I was not directly affected, but there was certainly no attempt by the Government to impose a lock-down in this way.
And that somehow justifies not following advice this time?
Make it unlawful then! I would not seek to break the law.
As a rule you don't follow advice? You do sound like the stubborn sort.
Harold Wilson certainly did not appear on our TV screens in 1968 to give us regular medical advice.
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
I have said before that you are a bigot. (You are).
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
Clearly the case for mandated by law is obvious, the issue really is how draconian. Apparently if I had a dog I could have rented it out for 40e an hour To people desperate to go for a walk. The problem is people will look for loop holes to get around restrictions. Let’s get on with it and hope it’s only for a month or two. All worth it if it keeps hospitals functioning close to normal
Yeah, my son in Catalonia told me just now how people are using dog-walking to get round the ban.
Dog walking is usually done in the open air, and involves very little touching of people or surfaces.
If a couple of pints in the pub is a 9 risk, going to the supermarket is a 4 and dog walking is probably a 1 or 2.
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Another fucking idiot. Stay at home you knob.
With respect, I currently live alone and feel pretty laid back about picking up the virus. Unlikely in the extreme that I will be a carrier myself. I am very philosophical about any danger incurred, and accept the risk on the basis that if the virus has my number on it - 'so be it'! I have reached the age of 65 years and 8 months - which I believe was the normal male life expectancy in the UK as late as mid-1958. I really am not unduly worried at the prospect of departing this physical plain for other realms! Were I 45 , I would likely take a different view.
Boomers
No, this guy is special. We aren't all like that.
Yes, he's embodying the stereotypes of boomers, but of course there are many who don't fit those stereotypes.
What is the stereotype of Gen X’ers in these circumstances? Sit around in checked shirts commenting ironically?
I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Because when they go back to their house with Grandpa Eadric they'd probably kill him.
It is a serious question. The world is already skewed in terms of wealth, property, assets in favour of the old.
And now a nineteen year is being expected not to go out.
Maybe that is just about fine for a couple of weeks, but for two years, or more?
What has Grandpa Eadric ever done for the young ?
I recollect he was a pretty selfish, hard-partying bastard when he was young.
Well lots of old people are about to DIE, so maybe the world is rebalancing itself. And that's maybe a good thing. Albeit a bit tough on those that cop a particularly nasty death.
That's what bugs me about this bug. It's a really bad way to go. Drowning in your own lung fluid, over two days, alone in a ward full of other people dying, with no relatives of friends around, holding an iPad to say goodbye to everyone (that's what they do in Italian hospitals). The disease cruelly keeps you lucid to the bitter end.
And then they take your corpse and it is rapidly burned in Corpse Burning Unit 956XF, with no proper funeral.
Christ. I'd rather die at home of heroin. Ta v much.
Lild are out of heroin, I have just been down there.
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
I have said before that you are a bigot. (You are).
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
I am coming round to the opinion Justin gets his kicks by winding everyone up
Otherwise at his age he is very irresponsible and lacks human empathy
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Because when they go back to their house with Grandpa Eadric they'd probably kill him.
It is a serious question. The world is already skewed in terms of wealth, property, assets in favour of the old.
And now a nineteen year is being expected not to go out.
Maybe that is just about fine for a couple of weeks, but for two years, or more?
What has Grandpa Eadric ever done for the young ?
I recollect he was a pretty selfish, hard-partying bastard when he was young.
Well lots of old people are about to DIE, so maybe the world is rebalancing itself. And that's maybe a good thing. Albeit a bit tough on those that cop a particularly nasty death.
That's what bugs me about this bug. It's a really bad way to go. Drowning in your own lung fluid, over two days, alone in a ward full of other people dying, with no relatives of friends around, holding an iPad to say goodbye to everyone (that's what they do in Italian hospitals). The disease cruelly keeps you lucid to the bitter end.
And then they take your corpse and it is rapidly burned in Corpse Burning Unit 956XF, with no proper funeral.
Christ. I'd rather die at home of heroin. Ta v much.
Lild are out of heroin, I have just been down there.
Clearly the case for mandated by law is obvious, the issue really is how draconian. Apparently if I had a dog I could have rented it out for 40e an hour To people desperate to go for a walk. The problem is people will look for loop holes to get around restrictions. Let’s get on with it and hope it’s only for a month or two. All worth it if it keeps hospitals functioning close to normal
Yeah, my son in Catalonia told me just now how people are using dog-walking to get round the ban.
Dog walking is usually done in the open air, and involves very little touching of people or surfaces.
If a couple of pints in the pub is a 9 risk, going to the supermarket is a 4 and dog walking is probably a 1 or 2.
Might try a Skype pub with my mates in the living room.
I've got enough beer in for phone pissups to be a thing.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Yeah, fair point. I think early Millennials are culturally late Gen X. I’m not sure why the dividing line was set at 81.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
This isn’t about who votes for whom. It’s about right and wrong. We are emphatically not free to make our own judgements on this because enough idiots will do what they want and more will die as a result. Horribly effectively drowning in their own lung juice because people can’t foresake a pint down the pub for a few weeks.
Feel good???
I was around at the time of the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. As I was only 14 at that time I was not directly affected, but there was certainly no attempt by the Government to impose a lock-down in this way.
And that somehow justifies not following advice this time?
Make it unlawful then! I would not seek to break the law.
As a rule you don't follow advice? You do sound like the stubborn sort.
Harold Wilson certainly did not appear on our TV screens in 1968 to give us regular medical advice.
Wilson didn’t have to oversee the public response to a global killer contagion with an infection rate great even than the common cold, at least as I recall.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
My granddaughter 17 most certainly is with a 38 degree temperature and feeling rotten
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
I have said before that you are a bigot. (You are).
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
This isn’t about who votes for whom. It’s about right and wrong. We are emphatically not free to make our own judgements on this because enough idiots will do what they want and more will die as a result. Horribly effectively drowning in their own lung juice because people can’t foresake a pint down the pub for a few weeks.
Feel good???
I was around at the time of the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. As I was only 14 at that time I was not directly affected, but there was certainly no attempt by the Government to impose a lock-down in this way.
And that somehow justifies not following advice this time?
Make it unlawful then! I would not seek to break the law.
As a rule you don't follow advice? You do sound like the stubborn sort.
Harold Wilson certainly did not appear on our TV screens in 1968 to give us regular medical advice.
Harold Wilson never faced a pandemic for which there was no available vaccination. To paraphrase a key paragraph of the Imperial report: this is the first time since 1918 the world has faced a pandemic virus without any vaccination capability and with only social measures at its disposal.
There are still a number of good reasons to hope that this isn't the very earliest stages towards following the path of Spanish flu, but let's not piss away cheaply the only protection we have before those reasons are verified and secure.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Yeah, fair point. I think early Millennials are culturally late Gen X. I’m not sure why the dividing line was set at 81.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
Because their parents might end up dead?
If they're 18, their parents are probably 40-50. It is not a big risk.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Young people drink less, smoke less, and - on the whole - take fewer drugs than their parents. They are also far better users of technology. In terms of observing a lockdown, I know where my money is.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
These categories are ridiculous. The idea that people born in 1964 have a lot in common with people born in 1981 is just silly.
Clearly the case for mandated by law is obvious, the issue really is how draconian. Apparently if I had a dog I could have rented it out for 40e an hour To people desperate to go for a walk. The problem is people will look for loop holes to get around restrictions. Let’s get on with it and hope it’s only for a month or two. All worth it if it keeps hospitals functioning close to normal
Yeah, my son in Catalonia told me just now how people are using dog-walking to get round the ban.
Dog walking is usually done in the open air, and involves very little touching of people or surfaces.
If a couple of pints in the pub is a 9 risk, going to the supermarket is a 4 and dog walking is probably a 1 or 2.
You used to pay the dogwalker. Now the dogwalker pays the dog owner.
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
I have said before that you are a bigot. (You are).
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
I am coming round to the opinion Justin gets his kicks by winding everyone up
Otherwise at his age he is very irresponsible and lacks human empathy
The 73 year old husband in my Sunday group is a Tory party member and is an even stronger supporter of Johnson than you appear to have become.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
So far, I've been pretty impressed by the attitude of my teenage lad and his pals. They have voluntarily stopped meeting up together, are stoic about the cancellation of their prom and generally cooperative with hand-washing, etc. If we come though this without losing too many oldies, we shall owe our youth a debt of gratitude for the sacrifice of their social life. (Mind you, the burden is lightened somewhat by the existence of social media.)
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
I have said before that you are a bigot. (You are).
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
I assume this is satire.
I assure you it is not. Of the group, I was the most compliant with the advice . The couple were particularly defiant.
I have said before that you are a bigot. (You are).
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
I am coming round to the opinion Justin gets his kicks by winding everyone up
Otherwise at his age he is very irresponsible and lacks human empathy
The 73 year old husband in my Sunday group is a Tory party member and is an even stronger supporter of Johnson than you appear to have become.
What has that got to do with your irresponsible behaviour
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Yeah, fair point. I think early Millennials are culturally late Gen X. I’m not sure why the dividing line was set at 81.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
Because their parents might end up dead?
If they're 18, their parents are probably 40-50. It is not a big risk.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
These categories are ridiculous. The idea that people born in 1964 have a lot in common with people born in 1981 is just silly.
Why then have generational cohorts at all? Seminal events like the Space Race, Cold War, 9/11, Corona, do shape the worldviews of those that came of age amid them.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
There may be openings for a few compliance officers in the new world of bans and quarantines.
Can I volunteer to be one of the two or three state paid guardians who sit in the pub (5m from each other), drink free beer, and tell anyone else who tries to come in to bugger off?
I still think the Government should have used my idea to save the pub sector. A prearranged, ten day nationwide bender when it’s all over, the proceeds of which they can borrow against now.
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
I think is about the idea of 'communion' being 'communal', and therfore the sharing of a cup is part of that.
but I suspect its also about maintaining a tradition because its 'normal' to each geration.
Arguably as nobody shares a cup in normal life nowadays, (even when going to the pub in a virus Pandemic) its no longer holds the same symbolic value, which why newer denominations have not felt the ergeg to emulate that practice.
Interesting point, I hadn't considered how culturally drinking from a shared container was a major part of life for thousands of years. Much the same principle as with a Viking drinking horn full of mead being passed around the table at a feast.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
Because their parents might end up dead?
If they're 18, their parents are probably 40-50. It is not a big risk.
OK, their grandparents.
Plenty of 40-50 years old are sending up on an ICU, plenty are being hospitalised with mild [sic] pneumonia. Who is to say this is not taking a significant lump of of their parents overall level of health, out of their remaining life expectancy.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
I am glad you agree.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
Because their parents might end up dead?
If they're 18, their parents are probably 40-50. It is not a big risk.
OK, their grandparents.
Exactly. Many of us in that age range have kids who are older teenagers and parents who are in their 70s or 80s and pretty fragile. The risk is that we pick the virus up off our kids and pass it on to our parents while caring for them.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Yeah, fair point. I think early Millennials are culturally late Gen X. I’m not sure why the dividing line was set at 81.
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
The individual cups comes from the tea-total movement - if you use non-alcholic communion wine, hygiene becomes more of an issue. In normal times, I think a shared cup is more appropriate for two reasons - first, the Bible doesn't say "And after supper he took the tray of little shot glasses and having given thanks gave to his disciples saying take one of these and drink it in remembrance of me." and secondly its a powerful picture of our unity in Christ - it's a pointer to all that we share as brothers and sisters in Christ.
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Because when they go back to their house with Grandpa Eadric they'd probably kill him.
It is a serious question. The world is already skewed in terms of wealth, property, assets in favour of the old.
And now a nineteen year is being expected not to go out.
Maybe that is just about fine for a couple of weeks, but for two years, or more?
What has Grandpa Eadric ever done for the young ?
I recollect he was a pretty selfish, hard-partying bastard when he was young.
Well lots of old people are about to DIE, so maybe the world is rebalancing itself. And that's maybe a good thing. Albeit a bit tough on those that cop a particularly nasty death.
That's what bugs me about this bug. It's a really bad way to go. Drowning in your own lung fluid, over two days, alone in a ward full of other people dying, with no relatives of friends around, holding an iPad to say goodbye to everyone (that's what they do in Italian hospitals). The disease cruelly keeps you lucid to the bitter end.
And then they take your corpse and it is rapidly burned in Corpse Burning Unit 956XF, with no proper funeral.
Christ. I'd rather die at home of heroin. Ta v much.
Lild are out of heroin, I have just been down there.
Should have gone to Spoons.
I just spat out my tea. Over my keyboard. Thanks Philip.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Yeah, fair point. I think early Millennials are culturally late Gen X. I’m not sure why the dividing line was set at 81.
That's what bugs me about this bug. It's a really bad way to go. Drowning in your own lung fluid, over two days, alone in a ward full of other people dying, with no relatives of friends around, holding an iPad to say goodbye to everyone (that's what they do in Italian hospitals). The disease cruelly keeps you lucid to the bitter end.
And then they take your corpse and it is rapidly burned in Corpse Burning Unit 956XF, with no proper funeral.
Christ. I'd rather die at home of heroin. Ta v much.
I do think there is something really quite democratic dying in this way on the hospital wards....I think the unified experience helps the person dying, and the family come to terms with it.....
I feel particularly sorry for the Italians currently dying alone at home...miserably and alone....and elderly couples where one is dying...the other is watching helpless, probably feeling quite unwell themselves...and then left with a body in the flat for a couple of days...
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Actually you can do a heck of a lot on a ZX81, very much doubt you "wore out the possibilities" in a week!! Still have no idea how 3D Monster Maze worked on that thing (though admittedly it didn't fit on 1 kB, needed the memory expansion).
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Justin is 65
I am talking about the young.
As there is no end to this without a vaccine, why should young people lose precious, glorious years of their lives stuck inside the house with Grandpa Eadric and his antiseptic gels.
Actually, I agree with you.
If I was 18 and desperate to get drunk and meet girls and have druggy fun, as I once was, how long would I tolerate sitting at home watching Netflix? Twonyears? No way.
The government will have to play this aspect carefully.
But Justin is 65 and it is inexcusable. Get home, have a biscuit, stop being a selfish arse.
Incidentally, as I said I did see SOME people in pubs on my evening walk - and most were over 40, if not over 50. Maybe there is some truth in the boomer/Gen X accusation.
So far, I've been pretty impressed by the attitude of my teenage lad and his pals. They have voluntarily stopped meeting up together, are stoic about the cancellation of their prom and generally cooperative with hand-washing, etc. If we come though this without losing too many oldies, we shall owe our youth a debt of gratitude for the sacrifice of their social life. (Mind you, the burden is lightened somewhat by the existence of social media.)
Nationalising this year’s FIFA and COD and then giving them away at appropriate moments may be a novel way to reduce lockdown tensions.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Still got my ZX Spectrum.
The convertible?
Well I converted mine from 16k to 48k with some upgrade chips.
Clearly the case for mandated by law is obvious, the issue really is how draconian. Apparently if I had a dog I could have rented it out for 40e an hour To people desperate to go for a walk. The problem is people will look for loop holes to get around restrictions. Let’s get on with it and hope it’s only for a month or two. All worth it if it keeps hospitals functioning close to normal
Yeah, my son in Catalonia told me just now how people are using dog-walking to get round the ban.
Dog walking is usually done in the open air, and involves very little touching of people or surfaces.
If a couple of pints in the pub is a 9 risk, going to the supermarket is a 4 and dog walking is probably a 1 or 2.
You used to pay the dogwalker. Now the dogwalker pays the dog owner.
Clearly the case for mandated by law is obvious, the issue really is how draconian. Apparently if I had a dog I could have rented it out for 40e an hour To people desperate to go for a walk. The problem is people will look for loop holes to get around restrictions. Let’s get on with it and hope it’s only for a month or two. All worth it if it keeps hospitals functioning close to normal
Yeah, my son in Catalonia told me just now how people are using dog-walking to get round the ban.
Dog walking is usually done in the open air, and involves very little touching of people or surfaces.
If a couple of pints in the pub is a 9 risk, going to the supermarket is a 4 and dog walking is probably a 1 or 2.
You used to pay the dogwalker. Now the dogwalker pays the dog owner.
The dogs are getting fed up with going out! Well I haven’t got them anymore but I’m sure some breeds are not too keen
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
The individual cups comes from the tea-total movement - if you use non-alcholic communion wine, hygiene becomes more of an issue. In normal times, I think a shared cup is more appropriate for two reasons - first, the Bible doesn't say "And after supper he took the tray of little shot glasses and having given thanks gave to his disciples saying take one of these and drink it in remembrance of me." and secondly its a powerful picture of our unity in Christ - it's a pointer to all that we share as brothers and sisters in Christ.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Still got my ZX Spectrum.
My best friend had one. I had a proper keyboard but, apart from Defender and Elite, he had way, way better games...
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Why are you going to pubs when the advice is not to?
Absolutely stupid, just like many of your other attitudes to society.
That is irresponsible selfish behaviour and does you no credit at all Justin
We have to make our own judgements on this. I will simply add that I have complied with some of the earlier advice to a much greater extent than others I have encountered. On Sunday evenings, I usually join a group of 6 or 7 people - who range in age from 59 to 73. They include a couple in their early 70s, and at the end of the evening , the guy invariably shakes hands and gives a hug to the others prior to departure. His wife is even more physically demonstrative and pretty well insists on giving everybody a good snog before leaving. A week ago I declined the handshake from the guy but was caught unawares by his wife. Last Sunday,however, I did resist successfully the lady's attempt to embrace me - and made it clear that on this matter I intent to comply with official medical advice. By the way , both are Tory voters.
This isn’t about who votes for whom. It’s about right and wrong. We are emphatically not free to make our own judgements on this because enough idiots will do what they want and more will die as a result. Horribly effectively drowning in their own lung juice because people can’t foresake a pint down the pub for a few weeks.
Feel good???
I was around at the time of the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968. As I was only 14 at that time I was not directly affected, but there was certainly no attempt by the Government to impose a lock-down in this way.
And that somehow justifies not following advice this time?
Make it unlawful then! I would not seek to break the law.
As a rule you don't follow advice? You do sound like the stubborn sort.
Harold Wilson certainly did not appear on our TV screens in 1968 to give us regular medical advice.
Harold Wilson never faced a pandemic for which there was no available vaccination. To paraphrase a key paragraph of the Imperial report: this is the first time since 1918 the world has faced a pandemic virus without any vaccination capability and with only social measures at its disposal.
There are still a number of good reasons to hope that this isn't the very earliest stages towards following the path of Spanish flu, but let's not piss away cheaply the only protection we have before those reasons are verified and secure.
AIDS says hello (at least until they found the cause, and later the treatment).
Exactly. Many of us in that age range have kids who are older teenagers and parents who are in their 70s or 80s and pretty fragile. The risk is that we pick the virus up off our kids and pass it on to our parents while caring for them.
We have no guarantee that a vaccine can be produced even within two years.
You don't have the right to erase two or more years of the lives of an entire generation of young people.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
The same article says that the Gen is defined more by events in your youth. Gen X is Michael Jackson, Arcade Games and the Berlin Wall
Edge cases can be odd. I'm 1982 but don't identify as a Millenial.
I agree (1983). For me the difference is not growing up with the internet and not having a mobile phone until Uni (having time agree a pub and a time to meet, and get there before they moved on). Many of my schoolmates were not even “on the phone” to start with.
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Yeah, fair point. I think early Millennials are culturally late Gen X. I’m not sure why the dividing line was set at 81.
Just been for a drink at the local pub. Not very crowded. Average age about 35.
Idiots.
I've been 5 days and counting from the pub..... I walk past my local....and it is like some junkie avoiding their fix....it's tough....my forty minutes of me time where I have a pint, and then when I've nearly finished a cheeky half....
I read 2 novels on Saturday, 1 on Sunday.....the kind of voracious book reading I get into after a week of holiday when I've fully relaxed
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Still got my ZX Spectrum.
The convertible?
Well I converted mine from 16k to 48k with some upgrade chips.
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Still got my ZX Spectrum.
My best friend had one. I had a proper keyboard but, apart from Defender and Elite, he had way, way better games...
Elite was one of the best games ever programmed though...
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
For anyone who's into their retrocomputing, there's still a ZX81 demoscene!! Not as big as the Commodore/Amiga or Speccie demoscenes, but arguably even more hardcore. Anyone with fondish 80s/earlys 90s memories of the limitations of their Spectrum or C64 or Amiga 500 should browse the demoscene vids on Youtube. What the masters can get out of that hardware is incredible, and every now and then some new tricks come along.
Bearing in mind the limitations of the ZX81, especially the fact it didn't originally come with a way to do "hi-res" i.e. pixel-by-pixel graphics (though ways around this have been found), the following demos are astonishing:
... I honestly lose track of all these titles. I was born in 1965. Is that Baby Boomer? Or Gen X? I think I ought to know so I can behave accordingly.
I was also born in 65 and would like a definitive ruling on this
It appears that there is no definitive year. According to Wikipedia the crossover is somewhere between 1960 and 1965.
"Generation X (or Gen X for short) is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984."
Gen X birth year 1964 to 1981 for our company’s stats etc.
That sounds official enough for me - I read Douglas Coupland novels and learned to program on a Research Machines Z80 so maybe proto-Gen X rather than full on
I wore out the programming possibilities of a ZX81 in a week and traded it in against a BBC Model B which lasted me about 10 years.
Actually you can do a heck of a lot on a ZX81, very much doubt you "wore out the possibilities" in a week!! Still have no idea how 3D Monster Maze worked on that thing (though admittedly it didn't fit on 1 kB, needed the memory expansion).
It was way too limiting. I was at the start of my programming career and I needed a machine with halfway decent capabilities and more than one programming language. I had BCPL as well as BBC Pascal. BCPL was fun.
Nowadays, after a couple of decades, I have used more programming languages than enough. I always had a bit of a soft spot for System/36 OCL...
Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.
It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
I dunno how many Catholics or Anglo-Catholics are In Da House tonight, but something I've wondered without knowing a lot about religious matters.
What's the big objection to using individual Communion cups like the Baptists, Methodists, Reformed churches etc? This kind of kit always struck me as more hygienic - always found it a bit icky when watching Catholic/Anglican services with a shared cup, but I guess it depends what you grow up with as "normal".
I think is about the idea of 'communion' being 'communal', and therfore the sharing of a cup is part of that.
but I suspect its also about maintaining a tradition because its 'normal' to each geration.
Arguably as nobody shares a cup in normal life nowadays, (even when going to the pub in a virus Pandemic) its no longer holds the same symbolic value, which why newer denominations have not felt the ergeg to emulate that practice.
Interesting point, I hadn't considered how culturally drinking from a shared container was a major part of life for thousands of years. Much the same principle as with a Viking drinking horn full of mead being passed around the table at a feast.
The modern equivalents perhaps being passing a Joint or a 'crak' pipe, not my thing, but I understand the custom is to pass to the left, the same a bottle of port.
Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
Another fucking idiot. Stay at home you knob.
With respect, I currently live alone and feel pretty laid back about picking up the virus. Unlikely in the extreme that I will be a carrier myself. I am very philosophical about any danger incurred, and accept the risk on the basis that if the virus has my number on it - 'so be it'! I have reached the age of 65 years and 8 months - which I believe was the normal male life expectancy in the UK as late as mid-1958. I really am not unduly worried at the prospect of departing this physical plain for other realms! Were I 45 , I would likely take a different view.
As others have pointed out, the reason you shouldn't go to pubs is for the rest of society, not YOU. We need minimal transmission, low social interaction. That way we ALL get through without half a million dying.
You're being selfish, or stupid, or both. Sorry.
I drove past my local tonight and there were probably 10 people inside. To be honest I don’t think that’s a problem, and means Boris’ advice is working; he’s saying don’t go down there, knowing a few will and a few is prob ok
The government has specifically said DO NOT GO TO PUBS
Why do you think Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Austria, and many other countries have CLOSED all bars, restaurants, cafes, etc?
Is it for a laugh? Are they self harming their economies because they are over-reacting?
Coronavirus can go two ways. You lock it down and you get near to South Korea. You don't, and you become Iran. If people won't voluntarily isolate, the government has to step in, and lock us all up. Great.
The old world has gone and won't be back till there is a vaccine, two years away at least.
When you were young, you went to pubs, you drank and took drugs, you fell in love, you played in bands, you went to parties, you did wild and irresponsible things, no ?
Why should young people lose a year or two years out of their glorious youth in lockdown? They are not going to get seriously ill, anyhow.
Who are you -- an elderly Malvolio -- to say there shall be no more cakes and ale?
“Life is timeless, days are long when you're young You used to fall in love with everyone Any guitar and any bass drum Life is a drink, and you get drunk when you're young Life is new, and there's things to be done You can't wait to be grown up Acceptance into the capital world You pull on some weed, then you pull on someone when you're young But you find out life isn't like that It's so hard to comprehend Why you set up your dreams to have them smashed in the end But you don't mind, you've got time on your side And they're never gonna make you stand in line You're just waiting for the right time You're fearless and brave; you can't be stopped when you're young You swear you're never ever gonna work for someone No corporations for the new age sons Tears of rage roll down your face But still you say, "it's fun." And you find out life isn't like that It's so hard to understand Why the world is your oyster but your future's a clam It's got you in its grip before your born It's done with the use of a dice and a board They let you think you're king, but you're really a pawn”
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but I suspect its also about maintaining a tradition because its 'normal' to each geration.
Arguably as nobody shares a cup in normal life nowadays, (even when going to the pub in a virus Pandemic) its no longer holds the same symbolic value, which why newer denominations have not felt the ergeg to emulate that practice.
And now a nineteen year is being expected not to go out.
Maybe that is just about fine for a couple of weeks, but for two years, or more?
What has Grandpa Eadric ever done for the young ?
I recollect he was a pretty selfish, hard-partying bastard when he was young.
* this is a property of silver, but I'd think that killing all viruses within 3-4 seconds is beyond its properties.
I believe 2 packs is bog standard advice from way back, nothing virus related.
It helps stop suicides and inadvertent liver poisoning. Most people don't know how few paracetamol you need to fuck yourself.
I now contend that you are also an idiot. (You are).
For these reasons, my youth was a lot closer to my dad’s than mine is to someone born in 1990.
Gotta love Capitalism.
There is no way 18 years olds are going to sit at home worrying about coronavirus transmission rates for 2 weeks -- let alone for however long this goes on for.
And, I see their point of view. Why should they not dance and drink and screw?
If a couple of pints in the pub is a 9 risk, going to the supermarket is a 4 and dog walking is probably a 1 or 2.
Otherwise at his age he is very irresponsible and lacks human empathy
I've got enough beer in for phone pissups to be a thing.
https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1239902065066901510
To paraphrase a key paragraph of the Imperial report: this is the first time since 1918 the world has faced a pandemic virus without any vaccination capability and with only social measures at its disposal.
There are still a number of good reasons to hope that this isn't the very earliest stages towards following the path of Spanish flu, but let's not piss away cheaply the only protection we have before those reasons are verified and secure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xennials
Kremlin-backed media has broadcast propaganda which states Covid-19, the new form of coronavirus, was created as a tool for the benefit of the UK."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8120505/Russia-blames-BRITAIN-coronavirus-outbreak.html
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1240022739639062530
I still think the Government should have used my idea to save the pub sector. A prearranged, ten day nationwide bender when it’s all over, the proceeds of which they can borrow against now.
In normal times, I think a shared cup is more appropriate for two reasons - first, the Bible doesn't say "And after supper he took the tray of little shot glasses and having given thanks gave to his disciples saying take one of these and drink it in remembrance of me." and secondly its a powerful picture of our unity in Christ - it's a pointer to all that we share as brothers and sisters in Christ.
Over my keyboard. Thanks Philip.
I don't blame her.
That's what bugs me about this bug. It's a really bad way to go. Drowning in your own lung fluid, over two days, alone in a ward full of other people dying, with no relatives of friends around, holding an iPad to say goodbye to everyone (that's what they do in Italian hospitals). The disease cruelly keeps you lucid to the bitter end.
And then they take your corpse and it is rapidly burned in Corpse Burning Unit 956XF, with no proper funeral.
Christ. I'd rather die at home of heroin. Ta v much.
@eadric
I do think there is something really quite democratic dying in this way on the hospital wards....I think the unified experience helps the person dying, and the family come to terms with it.....
I feel particularly sorry for the Italians currently dying alone at home...miserably and alone....and elderly couples where one is dying...the other is watching helpless, probably feeling quite unwell themselves...and then left with a body in the flat for a couple of days...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGf4jdRbCuk
(Glad mine was a Speccy not a ZX80/81 though.)
Re pubs, there are alcoholics who virtually live in them. It will be hard for those people if they all have to close for a long time.
You don't have the right to erase two or more years of the lives of an entire generation of young people.
I walk past my local....and it is like some junkie avoiding their fix....it's tough....my forty minutes of me time where I have a pint, and then when I've nearly finished a cheeky half....
I read 2 novels on Saturday, 1 on Sunday.....the kind of voracious book reading I get into after a week of holiday when I've fully relaxed
Bearing in mind the limitations of the ZX81, especially the fact it didn't originally come with a way to do "hi-res" i.e. pixel-by-pixel graphics (though ways around this have been found), the following demos are astonishing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92xvLlbnVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKj6TaADFWo
Nowadays, after a couple of decades, I have used more programming languages than enough. I always had a bit of a soft spot for System/36 OCL...
My sister has got two- one is already down (2 days ago) with a raging fever, cough and hasn't even been tested.....
Pushing the final years into the front line reminds of some other event....
But then thought I shouldn't have.
You used to fall in love with everyone
Any guitar and any bass drum
Life is a drink, and you get drunk when you're young
Life is new, and there's things to be done
You can't wait to be grown up
Acceptance into the capital world
You pull on some weed, then you pull on someone when you're young
But you find out life isn't like that
It's so hard to comprehend
Why you set up your dreams to have them smashed in the end
But you don't mind, you've got time on your side
And they're never gonna make you stand in line
You're just waiting for the right time
You're fearless and brave; you can't be stopped when you're young
You swear you're never ever gonna work for someone
No corporations for the new age sons
Tears of rage roll down your face
But still you say, "it's fun."
And you find out life isn't like that
It's so hard to understand
Why the world is your oyster but your future's a clam
It's got you in its grip before your born
It's done with the use of a dice and a board
They let you think you're king, but you're really a pawn”