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When the timetable of primaries for this year’s presidential election came out a lot of people were looking at tonight as being when the race would finally be resolved. That is no longer the case because Joe Biden effectively wrapped up the nomination at the start of the month on Super Tuesday.

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kinabalu

First?

kinabalu

Gosh, so I was!

Think Bernie should pull out really.

Philip_Thompson

The primaries should be over now, Bernie should go. This is not the time for Democrat squabbling.

IanB2

Second

HYUFD

Sanders will likely keep going until Biden gets a majority of delegates to ensure he has as many delegates as possible to push for key measures he supports to be included in the Democratic party platform at the convention

AramintaMoonbeamQC

Sanders needs to read the room. He won't, though.

kinabalu

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

AramintaMoonbeamQC

BBC are switching to a 'core news service', lots of regular current affairs programming suspended.

matthiasfromhamburg

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Fair's fair.

Philip_Thompson

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

partypoliticalorphan

Hasn't Ohio been postponed?

HYUFD

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

tlg86

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

The left think our government should speculate to accumulate.

MarqueeMark

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Not your finest hour.....

ydoethur

FPT

Stocky said:

eek said:

Pagan2 said:

Stocky said:

eek said:

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

We need action for people who rent. Landlords are about to get mortgage relief and their tenants won't get anything.

Yes. Relief for mortgages but not rent would be Class War.

Relief for rent is slightly more awkward - a mortgage gets extended 3 months and most people wouldn't notice - 3 months of no rent is far harder to handle, especially as I don't see why landlords should be paid off..

I agree, a loan to tenants is the only way as far as I can see.

A loan won't work as a lot of tenants don't have space in their budgets to make repayments.
In addition it would still be hugely divisive. Mortgage holder gets payment holiday and in return his mortgage goes up by 5£ a month or so when he starts paying again.....tenant has to repay 3000 worth of rent only way to equalise that repayment to 5£ a month is to spread it over 600 months cant see them allowing a 50 year repayment can you. And the renter probably struggles more with that extra 5£ than the homeowner

+1 - the only solution I can see that works is for landlords to take it on the chin and for courts to deny evictions for none payment where it's proven to be related to coronavirus...

Anything else really isn't going to play well (and I know the above won't be liked by landlords but all options are bad).

I`d hate to be a landlord at the moment. Many will sell-up surely? I suppose they`d be stiffed on the sale price though?

Most will probably start selling up from next month anyway, as new rules are going to make it much harder to let properties built before the 1990s.

stodge

Evening all

There's this nagging question in my mind - if you believe in capitalism and the market then you have to accept sometimes there are circumstances under which businesses fail. It's regrettable but nothing lasts forever or has a right to immortality at the taxpayer's expense.

If some businesses fail, others will take over, Part of the spirit of an entrepreneurial society is to see opportunities in the misfortune of others, to develop a more successful business model, to see the evolutionary trends and not remain mired in the things have always been done.

Jobs lost are regrettable of course but job losses can be balanced by new job creation using skills and working practices which are better suited - better, more productive jobs which improve the lot of the individual, their community and society and the economy as a whole.

Change happens - sometimes that change is dramatic and violent, sometimes it's slow and controllable but it happens.

Businesses must be allowed to fail so new enterprises can replace them and move the economy forward. It's Darwinist and brutal and I realise that but that's how economies function unless you prefer State-controlled stagnation but I thought we didn't in this country.

bigjohnowls

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

No Labour didnt and the Tories deficit before the virus was higher.

2008 is going to look like a picnic.

RobD

stodge said:

Evening all

There's this nagging question in my mind - if you believe in capitalism and the market then you have to accept sometimes there are circumstances under which businesses fail. It's regrettable but nothing lasts forever or has a right to immortality at the taxpayer's expense.

If some businesses fail, others will take over, Part of the spirit of an entrepreneurial society is to see opportunities in the misfortune of others, to develop a more successful business model, to see the evolutionary trends and not remain mired in the things have always been done.

Jobs lost are regrettable of course but job losses can be balanced by new job creation using skills and working practices which are better suited - better, more productive jobs which improve the lot of the individual, their community and society and the economy as a whole.

Change happens - sometimes that change is dramatic and violent, sometimes it's slow and controllable but it happens.

Businesses must be allowed to fail so new enterprises can replace them and move the economy forward. It's Darwinist and brutal and I realise that but that's how economies function unless you prefer State-controlled stagnation but I thought we didn't in this country.

But a huge number of businesses all failing at the same time? No new business is going to take over until we're out the other side.

Omnium

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

Such as BBC news crews?

Andy_JS

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

The French always take the wrong approach.

ydoethur

Omnium said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

Such as BBC news crews?

They should all be in camera...

Benpointer

RobD said:

stodge said:

Evening all

There's this nagging question in my mind - if you believe in capitalism and the market then you have to accept sometimes there are circumstances under which businesses fail. It's regrettable but nothing lasts forever or has a right to immortality at the taxpayer's expense.

If some businesses fail, others will take over, Part of the spirit of an entrepreneurial society is to see opportunities in the misfortune of others, to develop a more successful business model, to see the evolutionary trends and not remain mired in the things have always been done.

Jobs lost are regrettable of course but job losses can be balanced by new job creation using skills and working practices which are better suited - better, more productive jobs which improve the lot of the individual, their community and society and the economy as a whole.

Change happens - sometimes that change is dramatic and violent, sometimes it's slow and controllable but it happens.

Businesses must be allowed to fail so new enterprises can replace them and move the economy forward. It's Darwinist and brutal and I realise that but that's how economies function unless you prefer State-controlled stagnation but I thought we didn't in this country.

But a huge number of businesses all failing at the same time? No new business is going to take over until we're out the other side.

Indeed. Protect all businesses, good and bad, for the next year or so. Then move things back to normal.

ydoethur

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

The French always take the wrong approach.

Most famously, when their physicians prescribed smoking tobacco as a surefire cure for lung disease.

Benpointer

bigjohnowls said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

No Labour didnt and the Tories deficit before the virus was higher.

2008 is going to look like a picnic.

You're wasting your breath BJO. It's never the Tories fault - that's a fundamental loaw of nature.

Alistair

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

The Tories were going to maintain Labour's spending levels.

Philip_Thompson

RobD said:

stodge said:

Evening all

There's this nagging question in my mind - if you believe in capitalism and the market then you have to accept sometimes there are circumstances under which businesses fail. It's regrettable but nothing lasts forever or has a right to immortality at the taxpayer's expense.

If some businesses fail, others will take over, Part of the spirit of an entrepreneurial society is to see opportunities in the misfortune of others, to develop a more successful business model, to see the evolutionary trends and not remain mired in the things have always been done.

Jobs lost are regrettable of course but job losses can be balanced by new job creation using skills and working practices which are better suited - better, more productive jobs which improve the lot of the individual, their community and society and the economy as a whole.

Change happens - sometimes that change is dramatic and violent, sometimes it's slow and controllable but it happens.

Businesses must be allowed to fail so new enterprises can replace them and move the economy forward. It's Darwinist and brutal and I realise that but that's how economies function unless you prefer State-controlled stagnation but I thought we didn't in this country.

But a huge number of businesses all failing at the same time? No new business is going to take over until we're out the other side.

Indeed this is not Darwinism, strong businesses can be as devastated as weak ones by this - and perversely some weak ones might be strengthened temporarily.

This is a national emergency akin to a war. Capitalism or other -isms don't apply here, its an exception to the norm.

Benpointer

Have not had time to look in detail - has Sunak's announcement passed the @Cyclefree test?

Philip_Thompson

Alistair said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

The Tories were going to maintain Labour's spending levels.

For 2 years not the 6 years the deficit blew up. And that's not an excuse.

Fysics_Teacher

ydoethur said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

The French always take the wrong approach.

Most famously, when their physicians prescribed smoking tobacco as a surefire cure for lung disease.

In the same way you cure kippers?

IanB2

Benpointer said:

Have not had time to look in detail - has Sunak's announcement passed the @Cyclefree test?

Rishi promised to attempt the Cyclefree test tomorrow. Or otherwise at some later date.

But he did promise to clear it with ease.

ydoethur

Benpointer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

No Labour didnt and the Tories deficit before the virus was higher.

2008 is going to look like a picnic.

You're wasting your breath BJO. It's never the Tories fault - that's a fundamental loaw of nature.

Ben, it’s never a politician’s fault. Read his memoirs and you will find Lloyd George never made a mistake in his life. Henry Kissinger told of his ‘first mistake on page 850.’

Brown bore a heavy burden of blame for the ramshackle state of Britain’s financial system in 2008, although oddly, less than Darling who came out of the crisis with his reputation enhanced.

Similarly, the state of public health after 10 years of Tory government can lie only with the Tories, admitting they inherited a pretty desperate financial situation.

Equally, Brown was not responsible for the subprime crisis or Johnson and May for this virus.

But we shouldn’t muddle up structural causes and triggers.

IanB2

partypoliticalorphan said:

Hasn't Ohio been postponed?

Wishful thinking. Not without merit, but you are more than two hundred years too late.

kinabalu

Philip_Thompson said:

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

Let me explain so that we don't have to keep doing this.

My beef is that the Tories branded as "Labour's Mess" the entire state of the POST crash finances - i.e. including the enormous negative impact of the rescue measures which had to be taken.

Not you, the Tories. I don't know what you were saying back then. Perhaps you have always been impeccably fair in your analysis.

OK? - Great.

We now move on.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/BumbleCricket/status/1239984933319454720

DavidL

On topic yawn. This is so over. Only health can interfere now.

FPT re brexit

The government has more important things to do right now. And so does the EU. The ECB have taken some steps to reduce the fiscal constraints on member states but has so far done very little on the monetary side to ease the crisis. They really need the sort of package the Bank of England has provided today. It is really important to us, as well as the EU, that the ECB steps up to the plate here. I very much hope they do.

ydoethur

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

rcs1000

ydoethur said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

The French always take the wrong approach.

Most famously, when their physicians prescribed smoking tobacco as a surefire cure for lung disease.

That worked! The patients ceased having problems with lung cancer. Indeed, it actually succeeded in ridding them of all their earthly problems.

Pulpstar

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

It was quite nice out today.

AlastairMeeks

DavidL said:

On topic yawn. This is so over. Only health can interfere now.

FPT re brexit

The government has more important things to do right now. And so does the EU. The ECB have taken some steps to reduce the fiscal constraints on member states but has so far done very little on the monetary side to ease the crisis. They really need the sort of package the Bank of England has provided today. It is really important to us, as well as the EU, that the ECB steps up to the plate here. I very much hope they do.

The deadline is being insisted upon by the British government.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

YBarddCwsc

rcs1000 said:

ydoethur said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

The French always take the wrong approach.

Most famously, when their physicians prescribed smoking tobacco as a surefire cure for lung disease.

That worked! The patients ceased having problems with lung cancer. Indeed, it actually succeeded in ridding them of all their earthly problems.

Similarly, in his work predating psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud believed that cocaine was a cure for many mental and physical problems.

He recommended it as a cure for morphine addiction.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1239976875423924226?s=20

rcs1000

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

That's us in about ten days.

Look at this in Iran. Darwinism in action


https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1239673228177682439?s=20

No. That is the result of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.

I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.

Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)

SirNorfolkPassmore

On topic, Ohio primary was postponed earlier, so just three primaries tonight.

Sanders needs to call it a day after tonight, and I suspect he will. It can only harm his campaign to be seen to drag it out in these circumstances.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1239943334199787521?s=20

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1239974892289884160?s=20

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1239966235250442249?s=20

https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/1239964813867925511?s=20

Endillion

Philip_Thompson said:

The primaries should be over now, Bernie should go. This is not the time for Democrat squabbling.

He's not a Democrat. Which is basically the problem.

AramintaMoonbeamQC

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

BBC Weather says two weeks of sunshine from tomorrow, round my way. Not particularly warm, though.

williamglenn

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

WhisperingOracle

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

No Labour didnt and the Tories deficit before the virus was higher.

2008 is going to look like a picnic.

You're wasting your breath BJO. It's never the Tories fault - that's a fundamental loaw of nature.

Ben, it’s never a politician’s fault. Read his memoirs and you will find Lloyd George never made a mistake in his life. Henry Kissinger told of his ‘first mistake on page 850.’

Brown bore a heavy burden of blame for the ramshackle state of Britain’s financial system in 2008, although oddly, less than Darling who came out of the crisis with his reputation enhanced.

Similarly, the state of public health after 10 years of Tory government can lie only with the Tories, admitting they inherited a pretty desperate financial situation.

Equally, Brown was not responsible for the subprime crisis or Johnson and May for this virus.

But we shouldn’t muddle up structural causes and triggers.

Brown was chiefly responsible in terms of extending policies of the 1980's, such as financial deregulation, into an unsustainable context. Only with this crisis may part of the 1980's consensus finally be overturned. A key structural cause was the over-assimilation of left-of-centre American and British political parties of Reaganite and Thatcherite ideas, particularly mismatched in Britain with a more European conception of the size of the state.

Pulpstar

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

That's us in about ten days.

Look at this in Iran. Darwinism in action


https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1239673228177682439?s=20

No. The impact of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.

I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.

Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)

I don't think this is us in ten days or ever. Perhaps there was some loo roll behind the shine though.

Andy_JS

The San Marino figures are concerning. 11 deaths out of population of 33,500.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

ydoethur

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1239966235250442249?s=20

As if I wasn’t uneasy enough about this already...

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1239986411501228038

FF43

eadric said:

Iran is so screwed.

Hundreds of thousands could die there. Coronavirus is entirely unchecked, by the looks of it.

https://twitter.com/lindseyhilsum/status/1238514679997255688

Benpointer

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

BBC Weather says two weeks of sunshine from tomorrow, round my way. Not particularly warm, though.

Managed to get the grass cut today without sinking into the ground, so things are beginning to dry out a bit here in the Sout West.

AlastairMeeks

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1239986411501228038

Going to make the civil contingencies act look like a bastion of civil liberties?

rcs1000

eadric said:

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

That's us in about ten days.

Look at this in Iran. Darwinism in action


https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1239673228177682439?s=20

No. The impact of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.

I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.

Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)

No, you misunderstand me. I meant we will be like France, not Iran!!

I should have separated two entirely different comments.

LOL!

By the way your Darwinism could be correct. If people regard praying together as more important than social distancing, then we might see a great cull of believers.

CatMan

Think we need less talking about Brexit & Gordon Brown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRgtzZ-mOQo&list=RDe0MlJveaGEo&index=10

HYUFD

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

It is still winter until Friday

IanB2

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1239943334199787521?s=20

A brilliant initiative.

One of the biggest missed opportunities by the coalition government was not turning Royal Mail into a co-operative, as its Chairman Allan Leighton wanted.

Pulpstar

FF43 said:

eadric said:

Iran is so screwed.

Hundreds of thousands could die there. Coronavirus is entirely unchecked, by the looks of it.

https://twitter.com/lindseyhilsum/status/1238514679997255688

Some younger doctors "seem" to be dieing at a higher rate than people allowed to rest up. Looks like a virus that can pick you off if you try and 'push through things'.

Benpointer

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1239943334199787521?s=20

Well that's very positive. Our posties are brilliant tbf!

dr_spyn

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-bill-what-it-will-do/what-the-coronavirus-bill-will-do

Modest proposals.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1239969757018771456?s=20

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

Benpointer

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

Yebbut - most of them were against govt borrowing and bail-outs for business...

...until it became Tory policy

nichomar

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?

Floater

Benpointer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kinabalu said:

SouthamObserver said:

Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.

Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.

So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -

Johnson's Mess. Johnson's Mess. Johnson's fucking godawful Mess.

Labour blew the deficit open BEFORE the crash .

What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?

No Labour didnt and the Tories deficit before the virus was higher.

2008 is going to look like a picnic.

You're wasting your breath BJO. It's never the Tories fault - that's a fundamental loaw of nature.

Labour always take the blame don't they......

glw

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

Timing does matter. Things are horrendous right now, any news that might further disturb the public mood is best avoided at the moment. So it might be better to seek the extension when hopefully things have gotten better with the health emergency, then the government can take time to explain the logic for the extension and recommit to complete the project sensibly.

BluestBlue

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1239986411501228038

Was senatus consultum ultimum not available?

'consules dent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica capiat...'

MarqueeMark

Benpointer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

Yebbut - most of them were against govt borrowing and bail-outs for business...

...until it became Tory policy

So you're saying that Labour's base policy for the economy is based on a pandemic raging across the land?

Okaaaaaay......

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1239927778151202817?s=20

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/churchofengland/status/1239907964049375240?s=20

https://twitter.com/churchofengland/status/1239973188060110851?s=20

Andy_JS

Channel 4 News tonight should be worth watching, with the Lindsey Hilsum report from Iran.

rcs1000

ydoethur said:

Ben, it’s never a politician’s fault. Read his memoirs and you will find Lloyd George never made a mistake in his life. Henry Kissinger told of his ‘first mistake on page 850.’

Brown bore a heavy burden of blame for the ramshackle state of Britain’s financial system in 2008, although oddly, less than Darling who came out of the crisis with his reputation enhanced.

Similarly, the state of public health after 10 years of Tory government can lie only with the Tories, admitting they inherited a pretty desperate financial situation.

Equally, Brown was not responsible for the subprime crisis or Johnson and May for this virus.

But we shouldn’t muddle up structural causes and triggers.

Have you read Robert McNamara's In Retrospect about the US getting into the Vietnam War?

It begins:

We of the Kennedy and Johnson adminstrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam... were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why.

Possible the least self serving political biography I've ever read.

WhisperingOracle

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1239969757018771456?s=20

This shift from the 2008 model, and by the extension the exhausted 1980s model, is going to be a silver lining, socially and for governments' democratic legitimacy, for the world.

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?

She already does, though maybe not Prince Charles.

Easter court is when the court moves to Windsor for Easter

LostPassword

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

It is still winter until Friday

Not this again.
As though the weather pays any heed to your arbitrary definition.

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?

She already does, though maybe not Prince Charles.

Easter court is when the court moves to Windsor for Easter

What is the court? And are you implying that the queen still wipes Her sons arse?

MarqueeMark

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

"grotesque" "wicked"

Somethings never change.....

RobD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?

She already does, though maybe not Prince Charles.

Easter court is when the court moves to Windsor for Easter

What is they court’?

Holding court. It's an old timey phrase.

ydoethur

rcs1000 said:

ydoethur said:

Ben, it’s never a politician’s fault. Read his memoirs and you will find Lloyd George never made a mistake in his life. Henry Kissinger told of his ‘first mistake on page 850.’

Brown bore a heavy burden of blame for the ramshackle state of Britain’s financial system in 2008, although oddly, less than Darling who came out of the crisis with his reputation enhanced.

Similarly, the state of public health after 10 years of Tory government can lie only with the Tories, admitting they inherited a pretty desperate financial situation.

Equally, Brown was not responsible for the subprime crisis or Johnson and May for this virus.

But we shouldn’t muddle up structural causes and triggers.

Have you read Robert McNamara's In Retrospect about the US getting into the Vietnam War?

It begins:

We of the Kennedy and Johnson adminstrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam... were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why.

Possible the least self serving political biography I've ever read.

McNamara of course also had the balls to resign over it.

egg

eadric said:

Pulpstar said:

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

That's us in about ten days.

Look at this in Iran. Darwinism in action


https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1239673228177682439?s=20

No. The impact of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.

I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.

Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)

I don't think this is us in ten days or ever. Perhaps there was some loo roll behind the shine though.

I was saying we will be like France in ten days - lockdowns and social distance will be legally enforced, if we don't comply now.

Britons can get excitable after a few beers, but I don't see mobs of us breaking into the shrine of Thomas Beckett.

Are there countries where the culture is happy to do as told, without needing cat herding measures? How are the Germans and scandi responding? You would guess France and England would be the most ill behaved cats, we always have been.

HYUFD

LostPassword said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

It is still winter until Friday

Not this again.
As though the weather pays any heed to your arbitrary definition.

It largely does, it will certainly be warmer on Friday than January

Floater

MarqueeMark said:

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

"grotesque" "wicked"

Somethings never change.....

Brexit derangement syndrome doesn't apparently

ukpaul

There seems to be a lot of detail on how the government is going to save business today. Given the Imperial College findings, can we please have a similar level of detail and immediate action on how the government is going to save lives tomorrow?

isam

When this is over, will we see

A rise in the price of an airline ticket
Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc
A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?

I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment

Andy_JS

If Italy had the same mortality rate as Germany, it would have 84 deaths instead of 2,503.

RobD

Andy_JS said:

If Italy had the same mortality rate as Germany, it would have 84 deaths instead of 2,503.

Perhaps there are many many more cases in Italy that haven't been detected.

HYUFD

egg said:

eadric said:

Pulpstar said:

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

BBC news shows French police now questioning people out on the streets without an allowable reason

That's us in about ten days.

Look at this in Iran. Darwinism in action


https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1239673228177682439?s=20

No. The impact of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.

I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.

Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)

I don't think this is us in ten days or ever. Perhaps there was some loo roll behind the shine though.

I was saying we will be like France in ten days - lockdowns and social distance will be legally enforced, if we don't comply now.

Britons can get excitable after a few beers, but I don't see mobs of us breaking into the shrine of Thomas Beckett.

Are there countries where the culture is happy to do as told, without needing cat herding measures? How are the Germans and scandi responding? You would guess France and England would be the most ill behaved cats, we always have been.

Southern Europeans more than us have a tendency to ignore rules

Beibheirli_C

HYUFD said:

LostPassword said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

It is still winter until Friday

Not this again.
As though the weather pays any heed to your arbitrary definition.

It largely does, it will certainly be warmer on Friday than January

It will be warmer on June 19th than Friday. June 19th is still in Springtime.......

IanB2

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?

She’s a clever woman, who will have sent her courtiers down to Windsor Co-op to stock up.

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1239949070426419200?s=20

What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?

She already does, though maybe not Prince Charles.

Easter court is when the court moves to Windsor for Easter

What is the court? And are you implying that the queen still wipes Her sons arse?

If you don't know what the court is, wouldn't worry, you are clearly still a peasant so it will not affect you anyway

Floater

isam said:

When this is over, will we see

A rise in the price of an airline ticket
Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc
A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?

I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment

Check out the pictures from Venice today - Dolphins swimming up the canals and much, much clearer water

AlastairMeeks

Floater said:

MarqueeMark said:

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1239946922728841217?s=20

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1239949409439436808

Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.

"grotesque" "wicked"

Somethings never change.....

Brexit derangement syndrome doesn't apparently

You really are well-named. The unflushable turd.

FF43

Andy_JS said:

Channel 4 News tonight should be worth watching, with the Lindsey Hilsum report from Iran.

Sorry, that tweet was from a few days ago. I posted it because of the tragic, desperate situation that it hints at in Iran.

Floater

eadric said:

Channel 4 News pretty blunt. Enforced social distancing is coming. Soon. Maybe a week?

Weekend