A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.
Some younger doctors "seem" to be dieing at a higher rate than people allowed to rest up. Looks like a virus that can pick you off if you try and 'push through things'.
The corollary is that the virus HAS to be severely controlled otherwise the strain it puts on your health service starts killing off medical staff that would otherwise not die of the virus. That definitely comes into the "undesirable" category.
A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Hopefully this will be more like the New Deal or Marshall Plan, but unfortunately the New Deal or Marshall Plan didn't stop World War II or the Cold War.
This shift from the 2008 model, and by the extension the exhausted 1980s model, is going to be a silver lining, socially and for governments' democratic legitimacy, for the world.
Yes. I wonder whether, if Labour had won the election and was doing exactly the same, we would be seeing the Conservative opposition broadly supportive, or would they be muttering about McDonnell creating rampant inflation and building up impossible debts?
What is Easter court? Does self isolate mean she has to wipe her own arse?
She already does, though maybe not Prince Charles.
Easter court is when the court moves to Windsor for Easter
What is the court? And are you implying that the queen still wipes Her sons arse?
If you don't know what the court is, wouldn't worry, you are clearly still a peasant so it will not affect you anyway
I doubt it will affect 99.9999% of people but how can you Self isolate if you are still surrounded by lots of other people. Not bad today I’ve been called stupid and a peasant looking forward to more insults. She could actually say a few words to the nation and the commonwealth.
Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.
Agree with every word of this (from PT). But Labour should not be any fairer to this Tory government than the Tories were to them over the Global Financial Crisis. They cynically branded the state of the POST Crash public finances "Labour's Mess" and repeated this lie ad nauseam. It has had a toxic infantalising effect on our politics and they, the authors of the lie, have benefited wrongly from it.
So let's return the favour with this one. Let's start right now -
What have the Tories done wrong? Were they supposed to cut spending more?
The Tories were going to maintain Labour's spending levels.
AFAIR they were also advocating even lighter financial regulation than Brown. The Tories definitely made no attempt to pull together during the financial crisis and sought to exploit it for political advantage afterwards. What goes around comes around.
This shift from the 2008 model, and by the extension the exhausted 1980s model, is going to be a silver lining, socially and for governments' democratic legitimacy, for the world.
Yes. I wonder whether, if Labour had won the election and was doing exactly the same, we would be seeing the Conservative opposition broadly supportive, or would they be muttering about McDonnell creating rampant inflation and building up impossible debts?
Why either/or? I think they would do what Labour are doing - public support and venomous off the record briefings about how everything is wrong because it’s Not Them Doing It.
If Italy had the same mortality rate as Germany, it would have 84 deaths instead of 2,503.
Perhaps there are many many more cases in Italy that haven't been detected.
Spot on.
The most likely reason for the difference is that Germany has caught asymptomatic cases, while Italy has not. And give how overloaded Italy's health system is, it's unlikely we will ever know how many people got it there, unless we do after the fact testing for immune responses.
In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.
In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.
Ben, it’s never a politician’s fault. Read his memoirs and you will find Lloyd George never made a mistake in his life. Henry Kissinger told of his ‘first mistake on page 850.’
Brown bore a heavy burden of blame for the ramshackle state of Britain’s financial system in 2008, although oddly, less than Darling who came out of the crisis with his reputation enhanced.
Similarly, the state of public health after 10 years of Tory government can lie only with the Tories, admitting they inherited a pretty desperate financial situation.
Equally, Brown was not responsible for the subprime crisis or Johnson and May for this virus.
But we shouldn’t muddle up structural causes and triggers.
Have you read Robert McNamara's In Retrospect about the US getting into the Vietnam War?
It begins:
We of the Kennedy and Johnson adminstrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam... were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why.
Possible the least self serving political biography I've ever read.
McNamara of course also had the balls to resign over it.
In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.
This is just terrible
This is nothing to do with 2008. The 2008 approach to politics and economics is dead.
Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.
"grotesque" "wicked"
Somethings never change.....
Brexit derangement syndrome doesn't apparently
No matter what language is used, real brexit ain’t happening now. The soft landing money has been spent oncoronawar
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Ben, it’s never a politician’s fault. Read his memoirs and you will find Lloyd George never made a mistake in his life. Henry Kissinger told of his ‘first mistake on page 850.’
Brown bore a heavy burden of blame for the ramshackle state of Britain’s financial system in 2008, although oddly, less than Darling who came out of the crisis with his reputation enhanced.
Similarly, the state of public health after 10 years of Tory government can lie only with the Tories, admitting they inherited a pretty desperate financial situation.
Equally, Brown was not responsible for the subprime crisis or Johnson and May for this virus.
But we shouldn’t muddle up structural causes and triggers.
Have you read Robert McNamara's In Retrospect about the US getting into the Vietnam War?
It begins:
We of the Kennedy and Johnson adminstrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam... were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why.
Possible the least self serving political biography I've ever read.
McNamara of course also had the balls to resign over it.
Brown had expanded spending on the "operation" of government to greatly exceed the windfall from the banks. Claiming that all government spending was "investment: When that disappeared...
He (and Ed Balls) also accused those who questioned the derivatives bubble as "talking the market down"
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Yeah, it's practically a death sentence for them to stay here.
Some younger doctors "seem" to be dieing at a higher rate than people allowed to rest up. Looks like a virus that can pick you off if you try and 'push through things'.
The corollary is that the virus HAS to be severely controlled otherwise the strain it puts on your health service starts killing off medical staff that would otherwise not die of the virus. That definitely comes into the "undesirable" category.
I am starting to wonder about virus loads - given the way that the Italians socialise, largish groups that meet up and go out together, repeatedly.. could it be that the bad cases are repeated, heavy, re-infection?
Judging by how the site’s Leavers find themselves incapable of saying that the insistence on the deadline of 31 December is a grotesque and wicked priority in the current circumstances, I am sceptical.
In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.
This is just terrible
This is nothing to do with 2008. The 2008 approach to politics and economics is dead.
The 2008 approach was to throw money at the economy to boost consumption, in the UK the US Japan and much of the rest of the wold, and we are still in deficits.
A few places like Germany, where more hesitant and have recovered much better but they are the exceptions.
A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Hopefully this will be more like the New Deal or Marshall Plan, but unfortunately the New Deal or Marshall Plan didn't stop World War II or the Cold War.
Some younger doctors "seem" to be dieing at a higher rate than people allowed to rest up. Looks like a virus that can pick you off if you try and 'push through things'.
The corollary is that the virus HAS to be severely controlled otherwise the strain it puts on your health service starts killing off medical staff that would otherwise not die of the virus. That definitely comes into the "undesirable" category.
I am starting to wonder about virus loads - given the way that the Italians socialise, largish groups that meet up and go out together, repeatedly.. could it be that the bad cases are repeated, heavy, re-infection?
If Italy had the same mortality rate as Germany, it would have 84 deaths instead of 2,503.
Perhaps there are many many more cases in Italy that haven't been detected.
Spot on.
The most likely reason for the difference is that Germany has caught asymptomatic cases, while Italy has not. And give how overloaded Italy's health system is, it's unlikely we will ever know how many people got it there, unless we do after the fact testing for immune responses.
This could be true, but I don't see either a reason nor any evidence to suggest that Germany are testing many, many more people without symptoms.
A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Hopefully this will be more like the New Deal or Marshall Plan, but unfortunately the New Deal or Marshall Plan didn't stop World War II or the Cold War.
Or is that the Martial Plan ... ?
What's that? Is it related to the famous Marital Plan?
A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Hopefully this will be more like the New Deal or Marshall Plan, but unfortunately the New Deal or Marshall Plan didn't stop World War II or the Cold War.
Or is that the Martial Plan ... ?
What's that? Is it related to the famous Marital Plan?
A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Hopefully this will be more like the New Deal or Marshall Plan, but unfortunately the New Deal or Marshall Plan didn't stop World War II or the Cold War.
Or is that the Martial Plan ... ?
What's that? Is it related to the famous Marital Plan?
Is that the one when the Yanks came and screwed us all?
A rise in the price of an airline ticket Fewer ‘non jobs’ - Corporate entertainment, PR etc A pay rise for nurses, doctors, carers and the like?
I predict we may see sightings of animals we thought almost extinct, or ones who stopped going to certain areas re emerging, plants and flowers growing there if the airlines stop for long enough. That might be enough to see a seismic change to people’s attitude to the environment
I’m with you - this unprecedented crisis must change the world for the better!
Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
Hopefully this will be more like the New Deal or Marshall Plan, but unfortunately the New Deal or Marshall Plan didn't stop World War II or the Cold War.
Or is that the Martial Plan ... ?
What's that? Is it related to the famous Marital Plan?
Most of this is nonsense - the reason the canals in Venice are not transparent is silt in the water. Not pollution. No Gondoliers punting about - no silt stirred up
Any pollution is probably still there.
It is a bit like the steam from power station cooling towers - the number of environmentalists who think that this is some toxic chemical is quite remarkable.
In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.
This is just terrible
This is nothing to do with 2008. The 2008 approach to politics and economics is dead.
The 2008 approach was to throw money at the economy to boost consumption, in the UK the US Japan and much of the rest of the wold, and we are still in deficits.
A few places like Germany, where more hesitant and have recovered much better but they are the exceptions.
It wasn't. It was to throw money at financial institutions, first as structural firefighting, and then as vastly democratically damaging boons to them in the form of QE that did very little for the real economy, all because the post-1980's consensus precluded demand-led measures. Now governments are throwing money directly into the hands of businesses and consumers.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Yeah, it's practically a death sentence for them to stay here.
They can see their own countries (China, Singapore, Hong Kong in most cases) doing much more to stop the virus. Of course they will be safer there. Yes, there are some from the Middle East and so on and they’ve got a choice to make.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
Most of this is nonsense - the reason the canals in Venice are not transparent is silt in the water. Not pollution. No Gondoliers punting about - no silt stirred up
Any pollution is probably still there.
It is a bit like the steam from power station cooling towers - the number of environmentalists who think that this is some toxic chemical is quite remarkable.
That chemical has probably killed more people on any given day than any other.
No. The impact of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.
I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.
Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)
I don't think this is us in ten days or ever. Perhaps there was some loo roll behind the shine though.
I was saying we will be like France in ten days - lockdowns and social distance will be legally enforced, if we don't comply now.
Britons can get excitable after a few beers, but I don't see mobs of us breaking into the shrine of Thomas Beckett.
Becuase you’re not old enough. A crazed mob broke in and destroyed it in 1538.
A reactionary conservative.
It was led by a fat, greedy, middle aged bloke with Celtic ancestry and an unhealthy obsession with trying to knock up girls in their mid teens, who believed himself to be an artist of genius and predicted every possible outcome so he could claim afterwards that he was right.
Thank goodness we have nobody who matches that description on this board...
On the contrary! I am making a valid and important point about the politics of this. It's one of the best points I've ever made and it's timely. It simply has to be made in response to the "let's all get behind Boris" guff.
Like this -
Run up to the Global Financial Crisis. Tories ostensibly relaxed about the public finances. Not arguing for less spending or higher taxes. The opposite in fact on taxes. Neither arguing for tighter regulation of the City. Again, the opposite if anything.
Crisis hits (!) and emergency measures needed. Tories back the measures. Measures inevitably cause the debt and deficit - which, in case we have forgotten already, the Tories were in any event cool about - to balloon.
Said Tories then (at GE2010 and ever since) brand the grave state of the public finances post Crash as "Labour's Mess".
And it worked. People are not bright and they buy this sort of crap.
So, OK, goose, gander. Perhaps they will buy some crap the other way. Let's see, ah yes, got one. Tories wrecked the NHS with needless austerity so that now, just when we need it, it can't cope and we have to screw the economy and public finances in order to prop it up in a mad panic. That sounds eminently sellable, Mark, doesn't it? I think it does. And this is what Labour must and will do. Not now (obvs) but in due course. Brand this as a right royal Tory Mess. It would be rude not to.
Some younger doctors "seem" to be dieing at a higher rate than people allowed to rest up. Looks like a virus that can pick you off if you try and 'push through things'.
The corollary is that the virus HAS to be severely controlled otherwise the strain it puts on your health service starts killing off medical staff that would otherwise not die of the virus. That definitely comes into the "undesirable" category.
I am starting to wonder about virus loads - given the way that the Italians socialise, largish groups that meet up and go out together, repeatedly.. could it be that the bad cases are repeated, heavy, re-infection?
There's no evidence of re-infection.
The real question there is what happens in a couple of years’ time. Immunity to other coronavirus fades over time (not all at the same rate).
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
On March 14, French airline Air Tahiti Nui flew the longest ever scheduled passenger flight by distance -- transiting 9,765 miles across the world from Papeete, in Tahiti, French Polynesia, to Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport. This one off milestone was a direct consequence of the coronavirus-induced US travel restrictions.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
No - I think they are contractually liable anyway. Most private schools insist on at least a term`s notice before withdrawing children.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Yeah, it's practically a death sentence for them to stay here.
They can see their own countries (China, Singapore, Hong Kong in most cases) doing much more to stop the virus. Of course they will be safer there. Yes, there are some from the Middle East and so on and they’ve got a choice to make.
And they will all want to come back here when the second wave fires up over Asia.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
No - I think they are contractually liable anyway. Most private schools insist on at least a term`s notice before withdrawing children.
Most private schools in my understanding, however, undertake to provide a certain number of days’ teaching.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
(finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)
I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.
It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
Well, they could remove them from the school totally but as most are in exam classes, hopefully not. A massive blow if they do. I haven’t worked out if the Sunak spree will be of much help or not.
No. The impact of a bunch of religious fanatics who think the virus is probably God's way of calling the faithful to him.
I don't think we're going to see organised mobs storming supermarkets.
Just as we haven't seen organised mobs storming supermarkets in Italy. (Although France, I realise, is different.)
I don't think this is us in ten days or ever. Perhaps there was some loo roll behind the shine though.
I was saying we will be like France in ten days - lockdowns and social distance will be legally enforced, if we don't comply now.
Britons can get excitable after a few beers, but I don't see mobs of us breaking into the shrine of Thomas Beckett.
Becuase you’re not old enough. A crazed mob broke in and destroyed it in 1538.
A reactionary conservative.
It was led by a fat, greedy, middle aged bloke with Celtic ancestry and an unhealthy obsession with trying to knock up girls in their mid teens, who believed himself to be an artist of genius and predicted every possible outcome so he could claim afterwards that he was right.
Thank goodness we have nobody who matches that description on this board...
There is that. (And, of course, I could not possibly comment.) I was thinking of Beckett, though.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
(finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)
I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.
It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Yeah, it's practically a death sentence for them to stay here.
They can see their own countries (China, Singapore, Hong Kong in most cases) doing much more to stop the virus. Of course they will be safer there. Yes, there are some from the Middle East and so on and they’ve got a choice to make.
And they will all want to come back here when the second wave fires up over Asia.
Not happening.
If they time it right, they can probably hop back and forth and miss wherever is worst off at any one time.
Not sure what to make of the financial bail-out yet. I don't know enough to understand whether offering (cheap?) debt will be enough to encourage businesses to stay open. Interested to see what the income protection measures may be.
I do wish the behaviour messaging -- which category of people should take which type of social-distancing action -- was clearer. I wasn't impressed with the repeated lack of clarity today. It seemed a much less polished presentation than last Thursday, regrettably.
(Journalists really should limit themselves to one question at such events. By asking three each, it gives the politicians the chance to dodge the ones they don't like.)
To those in the know: any ideas on the timescale for developing a serological test? Seems the wide variation in estimates of asymptomatic infection (as discussed earlier) need to be resolved asap.
Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
There are also wild boars in towns and deer in streets. Amazing.
Nature is like a person forced to smoke 20 cigarettes a day that has been allowed to give up 😊
I regard a lot of the modern world as utter madness, the amount of air travel at the top of the list. I hope the cost of a flight soars when this is over
Maybe we will even see nurses, doctors, surgeons etc paid salaries more like pro footballers than Corporate PRs too
I think anyone seeking to analyse this on a day by day basis is going to end up driving themselves bonkers and also highly likely miss any big picture.
See, well, any recent long term political argument within the UK.
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Having lived through 2008 and its aftermath, I am not yet convinced.
Further, many of the most terrible events in humanity’s history have stemmed from crises like this. Way too early to be optimistic about the future. Things returning to nearly how they were before might well be one of the better outcomes.
"Coronavirus: Norwich Alan Partridge festival rescheduled"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51928231
I even looked in at Aldi and no bog roll there either.
Anyway, have bidet, will jetwash.
Oh, and it is a week since I visited London, so it looks like I got out intact.
That definitely comes into the "undesirable" category.
https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1239992300312449024
https://tinyurl.com/tedavl8
https://twitter.com/RugbySchool1567?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The most likely reason for the difference is that Germany has caught asymptomatic cases, while Italy has not. And give how overloaded Italy's health system is, it's unlikely we will ever know how many people got it there, unless we do after the fact testing for immune responses.
In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.
This is just terrible
Today Germany has 9352 cases of whom 24 have died.
On 10th March Italy had 9220 cases of whom 463 died.
Caveat: These are of course the reported numbers not the true numbers in the whole population.
He (and Ed Balls) also accused those who questioned the derivatives bubble as "talking the market down"
Let’s hope Joe Bidet gets elected President, then there will be bidets for all
Has @ydoethur taught them nothing ??
The Speaker is quibbling.
A few places like Germany, where more hesitant and have recovered much better but they are the exceptions.
Any pollution is probably still there.
It is a bit like the steam from power station cooling towers - the number of environmentalists who think that this is some toxic chemical is quite remarkable.
Thank goodness we have nobody who matches that description on this board...
Like this -
Run up to the Global Financial Crisis. Tories ostensibly relaxed about the public finances. Not arguing for less spending or higher taxes. The opposite in fact on taxes. Neither arguing for tighter regulation of the City. Again, the opposite if anything.
Crisis hits (!) and emergency measures needed. Tories back the measures. Measures inevitably cause the debt and deficit - which, in case we have forgotten already, the Tories were in any event cool about - to balloon.
Said Tories then (at GE2010 and ever since) brand the grave state of the public finances post Crash as "Labour's Mess".
And it worked. People are not bright and they buy this sort of crap.
So, OK, goose, gander. Perhaps they will buy some crap the other way. Let's see, ah yes, got one. Tories wrecked the NHS with needless austerity so that now, just when we need it, it can't cope and we have to screw the economy and public finances in order to prop it up in a mad panic. That sounds eminently sellable, Mark, doesn't it? I think it does. And this is what Labour must and will do. Not now (obvs) but in due course. Brand this as a right royal Tory Mess. It would be rude not to.
Immunity to other coronavirus fades over time (not all at the same rate).
Some sense at least from Sunak and the Government.
The IR35 changes have been postponed for 12 months so even if the economy contracts it's good news for the contractors in the economy.
Not happening.
I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.
It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
I was thinking of Beckett, though.
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1239997670564954112?s=20
Not sure what to make of the financial bail-out yet. I don't know enough to understand whether offering (cheap?) debt will be enough to encourage businesses to stay open. Interested to see what the income protection measures may be.
I do wish the behaviour messaging -- which category of people should take which type of social-distancing action -- was clearer. I wasn't impressed with the repeated lack of clarity today. It seemed a much less polished presentation than last Thursday, regrettably.
(Journalists really should limit themselves to one question at such events. By asking three each, it gives the politicians the chance to dodge the ones they don't like.)
To those in the know: any ideas on the timescale for developing a serological test? Seems the wide variation in estimates of asymptomatic infection (as discussed earlier) need to be resolved asap.
--AS
I regard a lot of the modern world as utter madness, the amount of air travel at the top of the list. I hope the cost of a flight soars when this is over
Maybe we will even see nurses, doctors, surgeons etc paid salaries more like pro footballers than Corporate PRs too
See, well, any recent long term political argument within the UK.
And plenty of pigs.
Not many sus scrofa to be seen though.