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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    BigRich said:

    HYUFD said:
    Please, Please No! don't do it.

    In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.

    This is just terrible :(
    Mate, it was easing off of the relief measure that made the great depression worse.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,996
    edited March 2020

    I think anyone seeking to analyse this on a day by day basis is going to end up driving themselves bonkers and also highly likely miss any big picture.

    See, well, any recent long term political argument within the UK.

    True but that won't stop most of us on PB from analysing everything on a second to second basis. 😊
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    ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
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    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
    If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
    Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
    Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
    We have Google Classroom and Google Meet. It’s pretty easy to use and you can run a school like a school and classes like classes. Have they been caught out or is it a choice to go via email?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
    If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
    Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
    Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
    We are having a trial run this week with only Y7&8 coming into school while we teach the rest electronically. My expectation is that it will work for the conscientious, but there will be a surprising number of pupils experiencing problems with their Wi-fi...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    ukpaul said:

    L

    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
    If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
    Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
    Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
    We have Google Classroom and Google Meet. It’s pretty easy to use and you can run a school like a school and classes like classes. Have they been caught out or is it a choice to go via email?
    I haven’t been in for two days because I’ve been ill, ironically. But I think they had safeguarding concerns over video interactions. Our SLT have always been extremely conservatively minded about such things, and they seemed to want to avoid anything they couldn’t tightly control.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Where’s this warmer, drier weather we were promised?

    It is still winter until Friday
    You do realise there are several different ways of defining when each season starts.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season


    In Germany it seems that almost all people go by the simplified version of the Asronomical Seasons starting on the 21sts, like you do.

    Australian outside of the tropical zones go by the Meteorological Seasons starting in the 1sts. I prefer the Meteorological Seasons simply because it means my birthday is in summer, rather than spring.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629
    kinabalu said:

    Gosh, so I was! :smile:

    Think Bernie should pull out really.

    I relaid Bernie at 30s a few days ago.

    Went very big on him.

    Hoping that pays off tonight.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    JM1 said:

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Across the whole country at once. Wouldn't completely rule out Friday night tbh
    I don’t see why the restrictions should apply as rigidly to the sparsely populated rural areas of the country as they do to the overpopulated cities. The latter are surely the dirty bomb
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Alistair said:

    BigRich said:

    HYUFD said:
    Please, Please No! don't do it.

    In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.

    This is just terrible :(
    Mate, it was easing off of the relief measure that made the great depression worse.
    incorrect, the US downturn was well on its way to being recovering before the US government intervened.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,139
    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    I think either that or Monday night, that’s the night where most people are at home in a normal week (I know, I know). They announced the last upgrade on a Monday night for maximum exposure so am expecting the same again. Get the children to school Monday morning, leak the lockdown. Bring down the hammer at 1700hrs.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736

    kinabalu said:

    Gosh, so I was! :smile:

    Think Bernie should pull out really.

    I relaid Bernie at 30s a few days ago.

    Went very big on him.

    Hoping that pays off tonight.
    I see Hilary Clinton is still at 22.
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    ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    L

    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
    If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
    Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
    Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
    We have Google Classroom and Google Meet. It’s pretty easy to use and you can run a school like a school and classes like classes. Have they been caught out or is it a choice to go via email?
    I haven’t been in for two days because I’ve been ill, ironically. But I think they had safeguarding concerns over video interactions. Our SLT have always been extremely conservatively minded about such things, and they seemed to want to avoid anything they couldn’t tightly control.
    They’re setting up to record Google Meet sessions. I find it very strange that we are seen as fine when we are in a classroom but not online but it’s management’s call. My biggest fear is screwing up technically, so I end up wasting my time talking away with the microphone turned off.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    ydoethur said:
    You can't travel to work ?!
    That's a de facto almost 100% economic shutdown.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    I'm hearing a rumour of Thursday!!

    Hoorah it means you can take your daughter with you to the seaside. Thank goodness.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    isam said:

    JM1 said:

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Across the whole country at once. Wouldn't completely rule out Friday night tbh
    I don’t see why the restrictions should apply as rigidly to the sparsely populated rural areas of the country as they do to the overpopulated cities. The latter are surely the dirty bomb

    I take it you have a vested interest? :wink:
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    JIMathsJIMaths Posts: 7
    TOPPING said:

    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
    I don't think there is anything else particularly special the school is having to do - it's more that they were caught on the hop slightly by the extreme speed at which the government advice changed over the last couple of days. We seemed to go from 'let the kids catch the virus and build up immunity' to 'the whole country's about to be locked down' without anything in-between, and I imagine it's been a very difficult time for the SMT of my school, and lots of others like it.

    Luckily we've been moving into more and more electronic work setting since the start of the year - it's quite common in my subject to use online homework sites regularly, particularly with the GCSE students. The start of next term is going to be when we may face issues if everything is still locked down.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    RobD said:

    eadric said:

    Floater said:

    eadric said:

    Channel 4 News pretty blunt. Enforced social distancing is coming. Soon. Maybe a week?

    Weekend
    Is that a hunch or informed speculation?
    I mean they've already said in yesterday's press conference that the isolation advice for over 70s would be by the end of the week.
    I posted downthread where that news came from - it tallies with something else I was told at weekend
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    JIMaths said:

    TOPPING said:

    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
    I don't think there is anything else particularly special the school is having to do - it's more that they were caught on the hop slightly by the extreme speed at which the government advice changed over the last couple of days. We seemed to go from 'let the kids catch the virus and build up immunity' to 'the whole country's about to be locked down' without anything in-between, and I imagine it's been a very difficult time for the SMT of my school, and lots of others like it.

    Luckily we've been moving into more and more electronic work setting since the start of the year - it's quite common in my subject to use online homework sites regularly, particularly with the GCSE students. The start of next term is going to be when we may face issues if everything is still locked down.
    Thanks v interesting.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,996
    Floater said:

    RobD said:

    eadric said:

    Floater said:

    eadric said:

    Channel 4 News pretty blunt. Enforced social distancing is coming. Soon. Maybe a week?

    Weekend
    Is that a hunch or informed speculation?
    I mean they've already said in yesterday's press conference that the isolation advice for over 70s would be by the end of the week.
    I posted downthread where that news came from - it tallies with something else I was told at weekend
    Will going outside for exercise still be allowed?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Andy_JS said:

    Floater said:

    RobD said:

    eadric said:

    Floater said:

    eadric said:

    Channel 4 News pretty blunt. Enforced social distancing is coming. Soon. Maybe a week?

    Weekend
    Is that a hunch or informed speculation?
    I mean they've already said in yesterday's press conference that the isolation advice for over 70s would be by the end of the week.
    I posted downthread where that news came from - it tallies with something else I was told at weekend
    Will going outside for exercise still be allowed?
    Hancock last night was actively encouraging exercise (when careful distance is kept) and other countries seem to allow it - would be a large and odd step to basically institute house arrest, not least as lots of essential activities have to continue anyway
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,809

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    Well the Chairman of the ERG is the great Mark Francois, so....errrrr..... :persevere:
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,517
    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,333
    edited March 2020
    It's a new and rather classy faded font on my phone. Unless it's my phone.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    You're not. Nobody cares about Brexit right now.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385
    edited March 2020
    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    L

    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
    If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
    Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
    Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
    We have Google Classroom and Google Meet. It’s pretty easy to use and you can run a school like a school and classes like classes. Have they been caught out or is it a choice to go via email?
    I haven’t been in for two days because I’ve been ill, ironically. But I think they had safeguarding concerns over video interactions. Our SLT have always been extremely conservatively minded about such things, and they seemed to want to avoid anything they couldn’t tightly control.
    They’re setting up to record Google Meet sessions. I find it very strange that we are seen as fine when we are in a classroom but not online but it’s management’s call. My biggest fear is screwing up technically, so I end up wasting my time talking away with the microphone turned off.
    I didn’t know you could do that. It might make a difference. If I’m well enough to go in tomorrow I will ask about it.

    Edit - I think their concern was what students might (or, more accurately, might not) be wearing.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    A bit of levity: New York governor Andrew Cuomo's younger brother Chris is a CNN anchor and just interviewed his brother. The result is for the ages https://twitter.com/jackremmington/status/1239844473376518144
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,326
    CatMan said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    Well the Chairman of the ERG is the great Mark Francois, so....errrrr..... :persevere:
    Promoted from Private to General!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    Please God let Biden live until the end of November.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,431

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    There are no war zones in the Co-ops !
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    Lockdown doesn't mean people can't go to the shops, and panic buying isn't likely to get any better in the immediate aftermath of a tightening of restrictions.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Re schools

    Friend of mine is a school governor and they think the local ones are all going to have to shut this week. They're really struggling not just with absent students disrupting planning but more importantly with staffing. Now that sounds like the voice of Captain Obvious speaking but the precise cause is less intuitive!

    Allowing more generous teacher-student ratios doesn't solve the problem because it isn't just teaching staff. The critical shortage that will force closure for them is actually canteen staff. Packed lunches are largely a thing of the past and they simply can't make the food.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582

    eadric said:
    Most of this is nonsense - the reason the canals in Venice are not transparent is silt in the water. Not pollution. No Gondoliers punting about - no silt stirred up

    Any pollution is probably still there.

    It is a bit like the steam from power station cooling towers - the number of environmentalists who think that this is some toxic chemical is quite remarkable.
    That chemical has probably killed more people on any given day than any other.
    True. I was very proud when the boiler I built passed a rigorous safety test ( 300% of working pressure) by the Society of Model And Experimental Engineers boiler tester. He died a couple of weeks later - think he was 93.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    You're not. Nobody cares about Brexit right now.
    Half the people doing the negotiation may be in hospital before the deadline.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    BigRich said:

    Alistair said:

    BigRich said:

    HYUFD said:
    Please, Please No! don't do it.

    In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.

    This is just terrible :(
    Mate, it was easing off of the relief measure that made the great depression worse.
    incorrect, the US downturn was well on its way to being recovering before the US government intervened.
    This is an exciting definition of recovery which consists of gdp falling every year until the first New Deal was enacted.
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    ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    L

    ydoethur said:

    ukpaul said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    Those parents will stay have to pay the fees - yes? Otherwise, private schools are going to hit financial problems very soon.
    If they are moving to remote learning, presumably yes.
    Our remote learning is all setup and ready to go now. Are you on the same sort of timeline?
    Not really, tbh. It is not looking ready to go. Most of it would I think be emailing out resources at selected moments.
    We have Google Classroom and Google Meet. It’s pretty easy to use and you can run a school like a school and classes like classes. Have they been caught out or is it a choice to go via email?
    I haven’t been in for two days because I’ve been ill, ironically. But I think they had safeguarding concerns over video interactions. Our SLT have always been extremely conservatively minded about such things, and they seemed to want to avoid anything they couldn’t tightly control.
    They’re setting up to record Google Meet sessions. I find it very strange that we are seen as fine when we are in a classroom but not online but it’s management’s call. My biggest fear is screwing up technically, so I end up wasting my time talking away with the microphone turned off.
    I didn’t know you could do that. It might make a difference. If I’m well enough to go in tomorrow I will ask about it.

    Edit - I think their concern was what students might (or, more accurately, might not) be wearing.
    Just repeating what I was told about the recording, I’m not sure they’ve figured it all out yet, though. I see the problem with student attire, not something we could police as easily.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629
    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    Gosh, so I was! :smile:

    Think Bernie should pull out really.

    I relaid Bernie at 30s a few days ago.

    Went very big on him.

    Hoping that pays off tonight.
    I see Hilary Clinton is still at 22.
    Madness.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    JIMaths said:

    TOPPING said:

    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
    I don't think there is anything else particularly special the school is having to do - it's more that they were caught on the hop slightly by the extreme speed at which the government advice changed over the last couple of days. We seemed to go from 'let the kids catch the virus and build up immunity' to 'the whole country's about to be locked down' without anything in-between, and I imagine it's been a very difficult time for the SMT of my school, and lots of others like it.

    Luckily we've been moving into more and more electronic work setting since the start of the year - it's quite common in my subject to use online homework sites regularly, particularly with the GCSE students. The start of next term is going to be when we may face issues if everything is still locked down.
    One thing that is long overdue is putting all homework online, all class materials online and all the text books online. All homework should be submittable online as well.

    The Free School round the corner manages to do this - standard software and not even expensive.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    Monday or Tuesday please.

    Some of us have minibreaks required for their sanity.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    HYUFD said:
    I think pouring it directly down your windpipe could do it actually, I mean you'd likely kill the virus..
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    eadric said:

    JM1 said:

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Across the whole country at once. Wouldn't completely rule out Friday night tbh
    I'm hearing a rumour of Thursday!!

    He seemed to be indicating we were going to drag ourselves to the weekend yesterday. I could do with a couple of days to sort things at work...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    You're not. Nobody cares about Brexit right now.
    Apart from one regular poster.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
    I walked past a cafe today full of people....

    The chemist was heaving too....I am on the lookout for a thermometer

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,996
    What are the chances of Bernie pulling out tonight?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    Monday or Tuesday please.

    Some of us have minibreaks required for their sanity.
    Are you taking the fecking piss?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Last week in my church the, the dioceses had invoked the 1542 Sacrament act, so that communion was given in just one kind (bread) and not wine so there was no need to use a shared chalices.

    It felt quite reassuring so how to know that this had been foreseen almost half a millennium ago.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    tyson said:

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
    I walked past a cafe today full of people....

    The chemist was heaving too....I am on the lookout for a thermometer

    we got one from Amazon
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:
    You can't travel to work ?!
    That's a de facto almost 100% economic shutdown.
    This is France.

    I think "the police will be monitoring compliance" is code for "please consider your bribe level very carefully".
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,899
    maaarsh said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    Some sense at least from Sunak and the Government.

    The IR35 changes have been postponed for 12 months so even if the economy contracts it's good news for the contractors in the economy.

    Sorry - that was a rumour Mrs Stodge heard from another contractor. Not confirmed I'm afraid.
    Lots of MPs saying it on twitter
    Tax dodging contractors are a scourge to a decent society
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    isam said:

    JM1 said:

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Across the whole country at once. Wouldn't completely rule out Friday night tbh
    I don’t see why the restrictions should apply as rigidly to the sparsely populated rural areas of the country as they do to the overpopulated cities. The latter are surely the dirty bomb
    I take it you have a vested interest? :wink:

    Not really, no. I live inside the M25
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    You're not. Nobody cares about Brexit right now.
    Apart from one regular poster.
    Not sure I would describe him as "regular"

    More like decidedly odd
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    tyson said:

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
    I walked past a cafe today full of people....

    The chemist was heaving too....I am on the lookout for a thermometer

    I went in one today, stayed at least 4 meters away from the lady buying Halls at the counter with the slight cough... didn't touch anything, opened the door pusher with my elbow.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
    I walked past a cafe today full of people....

    The chemist was heaving too....I am on the lookout for a thermometer

    we got one from Amazon
    Why do I not think of the bleeding obvious sometimes?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Andy_JS said:

    What are the chances of Bernie pulling out tonight?

    i would guess about 50-50 but have not seen any odds.

    What time do we get the Florida exit poll?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    tyson said:

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
    I walked past a cafe today full of people....

    The chemist was heaving too....I am on the lookout for a thermometer

    There are days when a Barrett Light 50 is a wistful thought.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629
    As horrible as it is Iran will at least demonstrate the consequences of "let rip" at the other end of the scale.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    JIMaths said:

    TOPPING said:

    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
    I don't think there is anything else particularly special the school is having to do - it's more that they were caught on the hop slightly by the extreme speed at which the government advice changed over the last couple of days. We seemed to go from 'let the kids catch the virus and build up immunity' to 'the whole country's about to be locked down' without anything in-between, and I imagine it's been a very difficult time for the SMT of my school, and lots of others like it.

    Luckily we've been moving into more and more electronic work setting since the start of the year - it's quite common in my subject to use online homework sites regularly, particularly with the GCSE students. The start of next term is going to be when we may face issues if everything is still locked down.
    One thing that is long overdue is putting all homework online, all class materials online and all the text books online. All homework should be submittable online as well.

    The Free School round the corner manages to do this - standard software and not even expensive.
    I do most of that already. Marking work submitted electronically is probably the weakest link in the chain.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:
    You can't travel to work ?!
    That's a de facto almost 100% economic shutdown.
    This is France.

    I think "the police will be monitoring compliance" is code for "please consider your bribe level very carefully".
    Our workplace is managing things on an ad hoc basis - being sensible etc. We all travel in by car, currently away from the office myself due to being near some known cases Friday. I'd hope Boris can let SMEs police themselves.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:
    You can't travel to work ?!
    That's a de facto almost 100% economic shutdown.
    This is France.

    I think "the police will be monitoring compliance" is code for "please consider your bribe level very carefully".
    No one will be checked unless it is the last day of the month more like.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,996
    edited March 2020
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What are the chances of Bernie pulling out tonight?

    i would guess about 50-50 but have not seen any odds.

    What time do we get the Florida exit poll?
    11pm UK time I think. They've already changed the clocks in Florida so there's a 4 hour difference instead of the usual 5 hours.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,629

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    Monday or Tuesday please.

    Some of us have minibreaks required for their sanity.
    Are you taking the fecking piss?
    Certainly not.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582

    JIMaths said:

    TOPPING said:

    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
    I don't think there is anything else particularly special the school is having to do - it's more that they were caught on the hop slightly by the extreme speed at which the government advice changed over the last couple of days. We seemed to go from 'let the kids catch the virus and build up immunity' to 'the whole country's about to be locked down' without anything in-between, and I imagine it's been a very difficult time for the SMT of my school, and lots of others like it.

    Luckily we've been moving into more and more electronic work setting since the start of the year - it's quite common in my subject to use online homework sites regularly, particularly with the GCSE students. The start of next term is going to be when we may face issues if everything is still locked down.
    One thing that is long overdue is putting all homework online, all class materials online and all the text books online. All homework should be submittable online as well.

    The Free School round the corner manages to do this - standard software and not even expensive.
    I do most of that already. Marking work submitted electronically is probably the weakest link in the chain.
    Getting rid of the "lost homework followed by the bad phone photo of from a classmate" is worth 1p in income tax, as far as I am concerned.

    That and not seeing an 11 year old bent like one of the seven dwarfs by a backpack of text books...
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Pulpstar said:

    tyson said:

    I really hope we don’t have to resort to enforced lockdown though I fear it is coming.

    Judging by the way my local town has responded (the cafes and local Spoons were jammed packed apparently this afternoon) - Yep.
    I really despair.

    Why are so many people total fuckwits?
    I walked past a cafe today full of people....

    The chemist was heaving too....I am on the lookout for a thermometer

    I went in one today, stayed at least 4 meters away from the lady buying Halls at the counter with the slight cough... didn't touch anything, opened the door pusher with my elbow.
    I haven't been to the pub since last Thursday...5 nights without going to the pub....the last time this happened to me I must have been 16 and studying for my O'Levels.....
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,014
    kinabalu said:

    Not your finest hour.....

    On the contrary! I am making a valid and important point about the politics of this. It's one of the best points I've ever made and it's timely. It simply has to be made in response to the "let's all get behind Boris" guff.

    Like this -

    Run up to the Global Financial Crisis. Tories ostensibly relaxed about the public finances. Not arguing for less spending or higher taxes. The opposite in fact on taxes. Neither arguing for tighter regulation of the City. Again, the opposite if anything.

    Simply not true. I refer you to Peter Lilly - who at the time was Shadow Chancellor - arguing vehemently against Browns plans to reduce regulation and oversight by the Bank of England.

    "With the removal of banking control to the Financial Services Authority--the "super-SIB"--it is difficult to see how and whether the Bank remains, as it surely must, responsible for ensuring the liquidity of the banking system and preventing systemic collapse."

    "The process of setting up the FSA may cause regulators to take their eye off the ball, while spivs and crooks have a field day."

    This was only one of many repeated warnings by the Shadow Chancellor about Brown's plans.

    Brown was warned what would happen and he ignored the warnings.

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Is there an easily accessible list of how Bernie did 4 years ago in these States? I'm guessing Sanders will do worse tonight than he did then, consistent with the rest of the States so far.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    maaarsh said:

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    Lockdown doesn't mean people can't go to the shops, and panic buying isn't likely to get any better in the immediate aftermath of a tightening of restrictions.
    You could announce people have a set 3 hour segment for their shopping, depending on your surname. Some photo ID. A-F, 8am until 11am. Limits on the number of any particular items you can buy. Stores restock basics like loo rolls at the start of each 3 hour session.

    It will still be chaotic, but not quite the absolute bedlam of everyone waiting for the store to open...
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:
    You can't travel to work ?!
    That's a de facto almost 100% economic shutdown.
    This is France.

    I think "the police will be monitoring compliance" is code for "please consider your bribe level very carefully".
    Our workplace is managing things on an ad hoc basis - being sensible etc. We all travel in by car, currently away from the office myself due to being near some known cases Friday. I'd hope Boris can let SMEs police themselves.
    I got sent home at lunch time...those of us who work in the public sector who have been sent to work from home...I think it's probably some kind of test run for universal income....
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    Andy_JS said:

    What are the chances of Bernie pulling out tonight?

    There's a scenario - not at all likely but possible - where he runs the table today. Old voters stay home, figuring it's in the bag, young folks turn out in droves.

    Not expecting this but putting it down so I seem like a genius if it does.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582
    edited March 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:
    I think pouring it directly down your windpipe could do it actually, I mean you'd likely kill the virus..
    There are some crazy, crazy anti-vaxers types who literally do this. Some even dose their children.....
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Alistair said:

    BigRich said:

    Alistair said:

    BigRich said:

    HYUFD said:
    Please, Please No! don't do it.

    In the same way that the stimulate package/bank bailouts extended and made worse the 2008 economic downturn, and the 'New Deal' extended and made worse the grate depredation. this will do the same, totally unnecessarily.

    This is just terrible :(
    Mate, it was easing off of the relief measure that made the great depression worse.
    incorrect, the US downturn was well on its way to being recovering before the US government intervened.
    This is an exciting definition of recovery which consists of gdp falling every year until the first New Deal was enacted.
    I perhaps I was intersperses, I was referring to ALL US Federal government action, including tariffs and extra spending, which started a log time before the official 'new deal' which was IMO just and extension and expansion of what the US government had been doing for a few years.

    Soon after the 'stock market crash' the economy was recovering and unemployment falling, from 9% down to 6% then the big interventions came and unemployment rose to over 10% and stayed there for 10 years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyQsIGLt_w
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited March 2020
    Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    As horrible as it is Iran will at least demonstrate the consequences of "let rip" at the other end of the scale.

    We already have that data point from the US....
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Is there an easily accessible list of how Bernie did 4 years ago in these States? I'm guessing Sanders will do worse tonight than he did then, consistent with the rest of the States so far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:
    You can't travel to work ?!
    That's a de facto almost 100% economic shutdown.
    This is France.

    I think "the police will be monitoring compliance" is code for "please consider your bribe level very carefully".
    No one will be checked unless it is the last day of the month more like.
    Or look Arab.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    The Municipal Police have put 342 fines in Madrid in the last 24 hours for breach of the traffic restrictions of the state of alarm. They all exceed 600 euros. The most fined districts have been Puente de Vallecas, Centro and Tetuán. There are nine people arrested. In the Basque Country, the Ertzaintza and local police have reported 70 breaches for the same reason.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1239999800164089857

    Surely even the ERG would see it is madness to try and No Deal in the middle of this once in a hundred years shitstorm?

    Tell me I am not deluded.

    You're not. Nobody cares about Brexit right now.
    I can still thinkmof one on here who remains consumed by it....
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713

    eadric said:

    When do we think the lockdown will start in London then? Sunday night? That makes sense if they are going to close the school the next day

    Why give people another weekend to spread it around? We will have the largest numbers of asymptomatic infected ever. The shops on Saturday will look like a war zone.

    I'd make it 7pm Friday night.
    Monday or Tuesday please.

    Some of us have minibreaks required for their sanity.
    Are you taking the fecking piss?
    Certainly not.
    Oh dear.
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    JIMathsJIMaths Posts: 7

    JIMaths said:

    TOPPING said:

    JIMaths said:

    ukpaul said:

    Stocky said:
    Mine is also partly a boarding school, the overseas students in particular are desperately trying go get back home (where it’s safe). Absences are doubling day by day from day students as well. You can’t teach half in and half out, the lack of decision making in government has made the situation chaotic and intolerable.
    (finally a good time for my first post - apologies if I do something stupid with it)

    I also teach at a boarding school. They were due to break up for Easter at the end of the week, but a large proportion of the foreign boarding students either left at the weekend, or were making plans to leave over the next two days. The school have decided to shut from tomorrow afternoon. We have contingency plans in place for the students who are either not able to go home early, or indeed are not currently able to travel due to any flight restrictions that might be put in place.

    It's been quite a strange atmosphere over the last couple of days - lots of people making nervous jokes about anyone who coughs in a classroom, and lots of students worried about relatives in other countries. I'm sure the same atmosphere is being reflected in classrooms throughout the UK, and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of schools decide to effectively close for Easter early at the end of the week. If they don't, I imagine a lot of students just won't be going into school for the rest of term.
    Welcome.

    I suspect you are right. For the sake of an extra week it makes sense to end the term early. Any particular special actions apart from as you say if people can't actually go home?
    I don't think there is anything else particularly special the school is having to do - it's more that they were caught on the hop slightly by the extreme speed at which the government advice changed over the last couple of days. We seemed to go from 'let the kids catch the virus and build up immunity' to 'the whole country's about to be locked down' without anything in-between, and I imagine it's been a very difficult time for the SMT of my school, and lots of others like it.

    Luckily we've been moving into more and more electronic work setting since the start of the year - it's quite common in my subject to use online homework sites regularly, particularly with the GCSE students. The start of next term is going to be when we may face issues if everything is still locked down.
    One thing that is long overdue is putting all homework online, all class materials online and all the text books online. All homework should be submittable online as well.

    The Free School round the corner manages to do this - standard software and not even expensive.
    Luckily the most recent editions of pretty much all maths textbooks now include online editions. It's becoming quite standard for my A level students to use iPads in class with all the electronic editions of the textbooks, rather than cart around lots of paper copies. We don't use one textbook for GCSE, though, so we'll have to be more hands-on in putting that material online.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    Just had an email to say local library and leisure centre will close.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    kinabalu said:

    Not your finest hour.....

    On the contrary! I am making a valid and important point about the politics of this. It's one of the best points I've ever made and it's timely. It simply has to be made in response to the "let's all get behind Boris" guff.

    Like this -

    Run up to the Global Financial Crisis. Tories ostensibly relaxed about the public finances. Not arguing for less spending or higher taxes. The opposite in fact on taxes. Neither arguing for tighter regulation of the City. Again, the opposite if anything.

    Simply not true. I refer you to Peter Lilly - who at the time was Shadow Chancellor - arguing vehemently against Browns plans to reduce regulation and oversight by the Bank of England.

    "With the removal of banking control to the Financial Services Authority--the "super-SIB"--it is difficult to see how and whether the Bank remains, as it surely must, responsible for ensuring the liquidity of the banking system and preventing systemic collapse."

    "The process of setting up the FSA may cause regulators to take their eye off the ball, while spivs and crooks have a field day."

    This was only one of many repeated warnings by the Shadow Chancellor about Brown's plans.

    Brown was warned what would happen and he ignored the warnings.

    Was George Osborne as Shadow Chancellor coming out with such warnings in 2006 and 2007?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    justin124 said:

    Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.

    What is this card only thing?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,014
    justin124 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not your finest hour.....

    On the contrary! I am making a valid and important point about the politics of this. It's one of the best points I've ever made and it's timely. It simply has to be made in response to the "let's all get behind Boris" guff.

    Like this -

    Run up to the Global Financial Crisis. Tories ostensibly relaxed about the public finances. Not arguing for less spending or higher taxes. The opposite in fact on taxes. Neither arguing for tighter regulation of the City. Again, the opposite if anything.

    Simply not true. I refer you to Peter Lilly - who at the time was Shadow Chancellor - arguing vehemently against Browns plans to reduce regulation and oversight by the Bank of England.

    "With the removal of banking control to the Financial Services Authority--the "super-SIB"--it is difficult to see how and whether the Bank remains, as it surely must, responsible for ensuring the liquidity of the banking system and preventing systemic collapse."

    "The process of setting up the FSA may cause regulators to take their eye off the ball, while spivs and crooks have a field day."

    This was only one of many repeated warnings by the Shadow Chancellor about Brown's plans.

    Brown was warned what would happen and he ignored the warnings.

    Was George Osborne as Shadow Chancellor coming out with such warnings in 2006 and 2007?
    It was far too late by then. The damage was done. By Brown.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,846
    Just been talking to my mate who got laid off today and got his view on the announcements. Bearing in mind he is obviously worried and upset however I suspect his sentiments are being echo'd up and down the country.

    His view is "yeah its those that have stuff being bailed out again, the boss is going to be ok and they will help him keep it in its minimal state and make sure he doesn't need to pay his mortgage. Those of us hoping the money lasts till the end of the month are screwed" (sanitised for sensitive ears)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001

    Andy_JS said:

    What are the chances of Bernie pulling out tonight?

    There's a scenario - not at all likely but possible - where he runs the table today. Old voters stay home, figuring it's in the bag, young folks turn out in droves.

    Not expecting this but putting it down so I seem like a genius if it does.
    Sanders can't even hold mass rallies at the moment, he's completely done for in every way.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713
    justin124 said:

    Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.

    Another fucking idiot. Stay at home you knob.
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    TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    Luckily I’ve been able to stock up on these

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    edited March 2020

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:
    I think pouring it directly down your windpipe could do it actually, I mean you'd likely kill the virus..
    There are some crazy, crazy anti-vaxers types who literally do this. Some even dose their children.....
    My mate had a good suggestion earlier. When (fingers crossed) we have a virus vaccine, anyone who is anti-vaxxer will be excluded from the programme and allowed to take their risk.*

    * they are not allowed to change their minds.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    justin124 said:

    Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.

    What is this card only thing?
    To avoid transmission via bank notes.

    Of course the pin pad is probably far worse for the customer.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Last night I popped out to a local pub after 10pm for a couple of pints, and was met with a notice on the entrance door informing customers that payment is now to be 'by card only' until further notice. Had to return home to pick up my credit card. Apparently this is now becoming common. I will be visiting another pub later tonight, and will be interested to see how its management is playing things.

    What is this card only thing?
    Not sure that I see the merit of it , but it was suggested that virus transmission was more likely via notes and coins.
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