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  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I've been trying not to talk too much about anything related to Brexit. However, for what it's worth there's a decent chance that this crisis will destroy the EU. It's going to severely distress all of the member state economies, but Italy and Spain are now holed below the water line and poor bloody Greece has had its chips. The flaws in the structure of the Eurozone have never been corrected; the creditor states and their electorates have neither sufficient money nor the necessary willpower to bail their neighbours; the chief creditor is, in any event, in a state of political paralysis and led by a lame duck; and neither the almighty refugee crisis nor the arguments about creeping authoritarianism in key central European states have gone away. The edifice is well ablaze, and even if the firefighters had the will to tackle it they've got no engine, no hoses and no hydrants. Just a bucket with a hole in the bottom.

    Never mind the fact that this all-devouring Coronavirus monster leaves little time to think about the new trading relationship. There might be no entity with which to negotiate such a thing anyway.

    Or perhaps this crisis will demonstrate the inadequacy of the nation state in tackling global issues and thus reinforce the value of the EU.
    Obviously I am anti-EU but I don't think this crisis has so far shown the EU in their finest clothes. Certainly Lagarde has been very poor as head of the ECB and they were slow to deal with issues such as flight slots. So far all the heavy lifting has been done by the nation states.
    The EU has been disastrously poor on things like airplane slots, where their actions worsen the crisis.

    But I'm less critical of Legarde than you. I think she's made the decision that the ECB will continue to buy all the bonds Eurozone countries wish to issue, which is probably the right call right now.
    As you've said before, that's the easiest path for her to take. The high-risk thing for her to do would be turn round and say, "nope, stuff you indebted southerners, not gonna let you try your stimulus to protect your economies and populations right now, COVID-19 be damned". Not only would the havoc it unleashed be unthinkable (how many northern Eurozone leaders, no matter how bailout-averse, want to be negotiating the breakup of the currency area while simultaneously dealing with the effects of a pandemic?) but it would surely be career-ending for her.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    edited March 2020

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.

    If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.

    I wonder if the behavioural insight team successfully modelled it would be bog roll that people went mental over, rather than feeding yourself for 3 months, having drugs to manage flu like symptoms or perhaps not going to locations where you were most likely to catch it.
    What I want to know is if you aren't eating anything, what are you going to be wiping? :o
    Its just mad. When I prepped my parents, yes we got toilet rolls, hand wash etc, but the real focus was on getting two freezers worth of frozen fruit, veg and meat.
    I think my parents are set. Whenever I go home there are always cupboards stocked to the brim with tinned food and other non-perishables, and a chest freezer full of the frozen stuff. I think they took protect and survive to heart.
    To be perfectly honest, if I had space to seriously hoard food I would be getting very tempted by now. But we live in a one bedroom flat so, unless one were to construct a model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa out of a stack of tins in the corner of the living room, I can't.

    I reckon there's about enough in here to keep us going for about a fortnight were we to be locked in, provided that we were disciplined and didn't resort to boredom-induced snacking. That will have to suffice.
    Likewise, not much storage space but enough for about two weeks if it hits the fan. I even broke and got some UHT milk so I could keep enjoying cereal.


    Edit: enjoy may be a strong word with UHT milk.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    This is faulty thinking eadric. We know the age adjusted mortality rates give or take. There is no point chucking that knowledge away based on a chat with a cab driver, with all due respect to him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    ydoethur said:

    Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.

    She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
    Maybe but she is a member of Cobra and is no doubt expressing Cobra opinion
    Is she? That comes as a surprise.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.

    If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.

    I wonder if the behavioural insight team successfully modelled it would be bog roll that people went mental over, rather than feeding yourself for 3 months, having drugs to manage flu like symptoms or perhaps not going to locations where you were most likely to catch it.
    What I want to know is if you aren't eating anything, what are you going to be wiping? :o
    Its just mad. When I prepped my parents, yes we got toilet rolls, hand wash etc, but the real focus was on getting two freezers worth of frozen fruit, veg and meat.
    I think my parents are set. Whenever I go home there are always cupboards stocked to the brim with tinned food and other non-perishables, and a chest freezer full of the frozen stuff. I think they took protect and survive to heart.
    To be perfectly honest, if I had space to seriously hoard food I would be getting very tempted by now. But we live in a one bedroom flat so, unless one were to construct a model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa out of a stack of tins in the corner of the living room, I can't.

    I reckon there's about enough in here to keep us going for about a fortnight were we to be locked in, provided that we were disciplined and didn't resort to boredom-induced snacking. That will have to suffice.
    I do wonder how many of these new hoarders are going to end up simply consuming way more food.

    As a student, I used to have a Macro card and I remember taking a friend there, who couldn't believe you could buy mega packs of 48 Twixs etc. The silly idiot went and bought all these sweets and then spent the next month eating 4 Candy Bars a day and having giant bowls of cereal for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    Chameleon said:

    Trump Presser in 5.

    Damn it, I haven't taken the requisite drugs to make sense of him....
    Smashing your head against a wooden board a few times should make your appropriately woozy headed.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    I understand there being upset with the strategy based on its pros and cons but it's pretty gross just seeing partisan politics at this time. Disgusting in fact.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    shopping report - no toilet or kitchen roll - or bin bags strangely enough

    Very limited soap, pain killers and rice

    Everything else ok

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    eadric said:

    isam said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    Fuck me, if I were him, armed with all that info, I'd be very choosy as to who I picked up in my cab!
    He is. He told me that he disinfects his cab - handles, doors, seats, etc - whenever someone visibly "dodgy" uses it - ie someone coughing and sneezing. Then he disinfects it again at night.

    It was actually quite reassuring.

    It occurs to me there is going to be a big market for Guaranteed Germ Free Travel.
    Of course the problem is not so much the ones hacking their lungs up, but the ones who aren't but could still be infected.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541

    I understand there being upset with the strategy based on its pros and cons but it's pretty gross just seeing partisan politics at this time. Disgusting in fact.

    You must be a PB Tory.

    :D
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    TimT said:

    Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.

    If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.

    This is a betting site. What are the odds that bog roll availability will revert to normal within 10 days?
    I reckon the supermarket aisles will be blocked by the stocks of bog roll before too long.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150

    I understand there being upset with the strategy based on its pros and cons but it's pretty gross just seeing partisan politics at this time. Disgusting in fact.

    If twitter was around at the times of the WWII, I wonder if we would have the same armchair general claiming Churchill was deliberately trying to kill everybody?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    ydoethur said:
    Harsh....at least she got money out of her sugar daddy...Varadkar's replacement will be paying....

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,495
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.



    You are either letting fear take you over to an unacceptable degree or yes you are enjoying trying to frighten people with the gloom.

    Sorry, but your posts are unrelentingly apocalyptic and shrill and often insinuate that this is much worse than it actually is or what we are being told. We know enough facts about this virus now to rebut or at least cast some doubt on these anecdotes. If you are genuinely worried I am really sorry that you are feeling this way and I would suggest staying off the internet to stop it frightening you, this will not be helping.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541

    eadric said:

    isam said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    Fuck me, if I were him, armed with all that info, I'd be very choosy as to who I picked up in my cab!
    He is. He told me that he disinfects his cab - handles, doors, seats, etc - whenever someone visibly "dodgy" uses it - ie someone coughing and sneezing. Then he disinfects it again at night.

    It was actually quite reassuring.

    It occurs to me there is going to be a big market for Guaranteed Germ Free Travel.
    Of course the problem is not so much the ones hacking their lungs up, but the ones who aren't but could still be infected.
    The most likely infectious customer, surely? If you are coughing you are probably less likely to be out anyway.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526
    rcs1000 said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    Where's @HYUFD to rebut this?
    He must be too busy scaling up his broth start up.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    This is faulty thinking eadric. We know the age adjusted mortality rates give or take. There is no point chucking that knowledge away based on a chat with a cab driver, with all due respect to him.
    Young fit people die of regular flu too.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    Floater said:

    shopping report - no toilet or kitchen roll - or bin bags strangely enough

    That’s rubbish.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575

    TimT said:

    Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.

    If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.

    This is a betting site. What are the odds that bog roll availability will revert to normal within 10 days?
    I reckon the supermarket aisles will be blocked by the stocks of bog roll before too long.
    It will soon be all you can buy.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    ydoethur said:

    They might end up giving out a-levels based on coursework, teacher views, and mock exams I guess. If the exam boards take the decision it makes life easier for Unis, and there are precedents for awarding in that way for sick kids etc.

    Only six A-levels still have coursework. What about the others?

    Mocks are a very poor substitute - it’s not as though all schools even do them any more.
    The projected peak of the epidemic is late May/early June. Might it be the case that, even if the Government has to relent and close the schools over this period, the examinations might be rescheduled for July?

    If grades can be awarded by early August then university places can still be allocated for September. It'll be a tight call and total pandaemonium but we are in an emergency situation here.

    Of course, if the exams can't be held at all and mocks and coursework aren't available then the students will have to be awarded grades based entirely on the teachers' predictions. In extremis, year 13 has to be emptied and the first year intake of the universities filled, regardless of how unsatisfactory the means used to allocate the students to the places.
    I would argue with the way you phrased this.

    The Government has already said it sees school closures as being part of the plan as we approach the peak of the epidemic. Claiming this is 'relenting' or implying this would be a change of plan is simply dishonest.

    On the subject of exams, when I did my A levels back in the early 80s we were warned not to treat our Mocks, which were held in January, as anything other than the real thing. The reasons given was that if for some reason we could not take our exams as planned then the Mocks could be used, along with other factors such as reports from the schools and interviews, as an alternative entry scheme for university.
    On the use of the word "relent", I retract the statement. It was poorly phrased. I should've said something to the effect of "if and when" the schools are closed for a time. I'm reasonably sure that I remember it being stated that closures during the peak of infections were likely at one of the Boris-and-his-advisors press conferences. The other Mr Rook also informs me that powers to order schools to close on a national or regional basis may be included in emergency legislation to be tabled soon, although that's just based on his reading of journalists' speculation at this stage.

    I honestly can't remember what advice we were given about our mock A-levels back in the 90s, only that my mock and actual grades tallied precisely, so I must've been taking them reasonably seriously.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,505
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    TimT said:

    Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.

    If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.

    This is a betting site. What are the odds that bog roll availability will revert to normal within 10 days?
    I reckon the supermarket aisles will be blocked by the stocks of bog roll before too long.
    In about ten days whatever happens they will be deserted. Everyone will be either hiding from all contact or living off their supplies.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,796
    edited March 2020

    I know we keep hearing how much better Japan is doing than the UK - but this is the bit I do not get:

    Cases/Deaths:
    UK: 1,149 / 21
    Japan: 788 / 22

    Yes, Japan is "older" than the UK - but that much older?

    Sample size is so small at the moment. Even among the single large dataset from China, the experts don't know what the real rates are, just that as age increases you are your chances go south very quickly.
    Also the Cases column is simply meaningless if the CMO is right. It's like trying to estimate the population of blackbirds in the UK by only looking out your kitchen windows. Two. The UK population of blackbirds is two. Oh hold it a sec, it's just shot up by 50%, there are now three blackbirds in the UK.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    RobD said:

    OllyT said:

    Essexit said:

    1,140 coronavirus cases have now been confirmed in the UK, according to Public Health England.

    42% increase day on day increase.

    We are definitely now tracking Italy, Germany etc, in terms of raw numbers. I don't see how we are 3 weeks behind Italy.

    And now we have a policy of not even testing most people with symptoms.
    Why should we though? The best thing is for those people to stay at home. Most will recover. Sending out someone to test them diverts resources from those whose lives are in danger.
    Then we may as well just give up announcing the number of new cases because the numbers are pure fiction. They have already told us a couple of days ago that there were at least 10,000 cases when only a few hundred were confirmed. Is it just a PR exercise to make us believe er=we don't have too many cases?
    The statistic to watch would be number of beds available in the NHS, if that is available and updated periodically.
    It's available, but it's not updated that often or quickly.

    If the government would say how many cases were currently hospitalised, and how many of those were in intensive care, then that would be a big increase in information.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140
    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.



    You are either letting fear take you over to an unacceptable degree or yes you are enjoying trying to frighten people with the gloom.
    Why is it ‘either/or?’
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    This is faulty thinking eadric. We know the age adjusted mortality rates give or take. There is no point chucking that knowledge away based on a chat with a cab driver, with all due respect to him.
    We know the mortality in thirty somethings is about 0.2%. There are about 120 000 thirty somethings in Liecester and Leics. If 60% get it ("herd immunity" levels) then 72 000 will get it and 144 will die of it in my County alone. Nowhere near the mortality in other age ranges, but not insignificant.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.

    She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
    Maybe but she is a member of Cobra and is no doubt expressing Cobra opinion
    Is she? That comes as a surprise.
    Yes alongside Sturgeon and Drakeford

    It is not widely known that all parts of the UK are on Cobra and in agreement on school closures but Sturgeon jumped the gun on announcing the 500 limit on public gatherings
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
    Me too, but I think that's our own prejudice and americans are generally more forgiving of baseball hats at formal occasions.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
    It makes him look like a twat.

    But to be fair, that’s true of whatever he wears because he is a twat.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    Oh my days is that Ben Carson as part of the US coronavirus task force ?
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
    Someone said it the other night.

    Clark Griswold versus Covid-19.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,505
    edited March 2020
    Trumpy live on BBC News.

    Complete with USA hat
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.




    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    This is faulty thinking eadric. We know the age adjusted mortality rates give or take. There is no point chucking that knowledge away based on a chat with a cab driver, with all due respect to him.
    I'm not basing my personal coronavirus strategy on the anecdotes of a cab driver! I am just passing on information, for people to absorb or deflect, as they wish.

    On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that my cabbie might be right about young people. See this report from ITV, from three days ago (since when it has worsened considerably)

    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/



    "He added: "You have no idea how many young people are here, I mean even 20-year-olds with no underlying conditions, in need of assisted breathing because of horrible pneumonia.

    "There aren’t the resources to screen doctors for Covid-19 anymore - they’re just telling them 'stay home if you have symptoms, otherwise come to work'."

    He continued: "Non-specialised medical graduates are being brought in.

    "At Milan’s Policlinico hospital they are dealing with 50 new pneumonia cases every day""
    Read my post below, the author of the study which is quoted about the 80% with "mild symptoms" says he regrets the use of that term.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    Trump wearing a USA hat...surprised it isn't plastered with all the corporate logos.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    Trump wearing a USA hat...surprised it isn't plastered with all the corporate logos.

    We're lucky it doesn't say TRUMP on it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.

    She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
    Maybe but she is a member of Cobra and is no doubt expressing Cobra opinion
    Is she? That comes as a surprise.
    Yes alongside Sturgeon and Drakeford

    It is not widely known that all parts of the UK are on Cobra and in agreement on school closures but Sturgeon jumped the gun on announcing the 500 limit on public gatherings
    The fact that school closures, home isolation etc would be for protracted periods, not a couple of weeks has been specifically spelled out by the CSA and CMO.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.

    If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.

    I wonder if the behavioural insight team successfully modelled it would be bog roll that people went mental over, rather than feeding yourself for 3 months, having drugs to manage flu like symptoms or perhaps not going to locations where you were most likely to catch it.
    What I want to know is if you aren't eating anything, what are you going to be wiping? :o
    Its just mad. When I prepped my parents, yes we got toilet rolls, hand wash etc, but the real focus was on getting two freezers worth of frozen fruit, veg and meat.
    I think my parents are set. Whenever I go home there are always cupboards stocked to the brim with tinned food and other non-perishables, and a chest freezer full of the frozen stuff. I think they took protect and survive to heart.
    To be perfectly honest, if I had space to seriously hoard food I would be getting very tempted by now. But we live in a one bedroom flat so, unless one were to construct a model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa out of a stack of tins in the corner of the living room, I can't.

    I reckon there's about enough in here to keep us going for about a fortnight were we to be locked in, provided that we were disciplined and didn't resort to boredom-induced snacking. That will have to suffice.
    I do wonder how many of these new hoarders are going to end up simply consuming way more food.

    As a student, I used to have a Macro card and I remember taking a friend there, who couldn't believe you could buy mega packs of 48 Twixs etc. The silly idiot went and bought all these sweets and then spent the next month eating 4 Candy Bars a day and having giant bowls of cereal for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
    Perhaps. More likely much of the surplus will end up sitting in the back of a cupboard for several years and then being discarded with the rest of the rubbish.

    If anyone keeps detailed annual statistics on food wastage then they may see a visible Covid-related spike in 2022.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,582
    Albanian cab driver? Reminds me of that other chap whose Muslim hairdresser revealed to him that the Islamic takeover was imminent.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
    I feel I can detect a hunch of 'Bad News Bears'.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Had the election been delayed until March, how different would the result have been? I doubt that 'Getting Brexit done' would have had anything like the same resonance as was the case in December. The NHS would surely have been much more central to the campaign - and surely to Labour's advantage. Would the Red Wall have crumbled anything like as dramatically?
  • rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
    The USA hat says it all about a narcissitic dangerous fool
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526
    Trump: “I was honoured to see that the stock market set a record.” 🤦‍♂️
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    ydoethur said:

    Floater said:

    shopping report - no toilet or kitchen roll - or bin bags strangely enough

    That’s rubbish.
    Dear god - I thought TSE was bad :-)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    God its just as bad as yesterday, wibbling about the stock market.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,495
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.



    You are either letting fear take you over to an unacceptable degree or yes you are enjoying trying to frighten people with the gloom.

    Sorry, but your posts are unrelentingly apocalyptic and shrill and often insinuate that this is much worse than it actually is or what we are being told. We know enough facts about this virus now to rebut or at least cast some doubt on these anecdotes. If you are genuinely worried I am really sorry that you are feeling this way and I would suggest staying off the internet to stop it frightening you, this will not be helping.
    lol. Who is not "genuinely worried" by a lethal and global pandemic? Twit.
    I am worried. I have elderly parents and I worry for them. I do not want them to get this. I am not playing down what is a deeply troubling and sad state of affairs. This is not about worry. This is about extreme fearmongering bordering on the fanatical.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,695
    Why the hell doesn't he get on with it?
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651


    I wonder if the behavioural insight team successfully modelled it would be bog roll that people went mental over, rather than feeding yourself for 3 months, having drugs to manage flu like symptoms or perhaps not going to locations where you were most likely to catch it.

    Bog roll is a rational thing to pragmatically stock up on, aka panic-buy. Few substitutes (bidets rare in the UK - wonder if COVID-19 might have an unexpected change in our bathroom design habits!), so almost everyone will therefore want one. It's an absolutely horrible feeling if you run out and doubly so if you found it difficult or impossible to get any in, so you want to guard against that. And its very well designed for stockpiling - long life, stacks well, bathrooms often have plenty of space free because most people don't store their clutter in them. So if we ever were to get into that vicious cycle of needing to buy something in out of fear of others buying it in first, loo roll was always going to be a prime candidate - many people are buying because of the fear of shortages caused by other panic-buyers (the idea is pretty much the same as how a bank-run works) not just because they're adapting their inventory in case of a self-isolation period, so they may not have felt the need to stock food up at the same time.

    And food products generally have more substitutes, different people have different tastes so less likely to grab the same item, less intense fear of running out, less shelf-life and less free kitchen storage space. So a lot of the ingredients that might lead to either stockpiling or buying-from-rational-fear-that-the-panic-buyers-get-there-first-thereby-making-you-not-a-panic-buyer-at-all-no-sirree are absent.

    So perhaps it was predictable. But I can't put my hand up and claim that I did!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,266
    Trump's base will love the baseball cap.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,505
    Trumpy takes credit for the all time record rise in the stock market yesterday.

    Very rash returning to that as the measure of his success.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411

    Albanian cab driver? Reminds me of that other chap whose Muslim hairdresser revealed to him that the Islamic takeover was imminent.

    Good as people's US contacts who thought the Dem nomination was nailed on for Warren then Bloomberg.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,299
    rcs1000 said:

    I know we keep hearing how much better Japan is doing than the UK - but this is the bit I do not get:

    Cases/Deaths:
    UK: 1,149 / 21
    Japan: 788 / 22

    Yes, Japan is "older" than the UK - but that much older?

    Do you think Japanese TV is running commercials suggesting that the elderly help solve the epidemic by taking things into their own hands...
    Sponsored by Wilkinson Sword.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Floater said:

    shopping report - no toilet or kitchen roll - or bin bags strangely enough

    That’s rubbish.
    Enough trash talking...

    After work I popped into town on a few errands. Perhaps a little quieter than normal, but not by much. Cafes and shops all busy, and plenty of stock, apart from Boots being out of own brand paracetamol.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
    I stayed in last night, just spoke to a mate who went out.. the pub was rammed, couldn't get to the bar, and there was only one table free in the curry house after. I had genuinely expected him to say it was like a ghost town!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Trump: “I was honoured to see that the stock market set a record.” 🤦‍♂️

    Beyond parody - now onto "FREE" virus test...

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
    Yes, I am wiser. I now know that you speak to random morons.
    Well, you knew that already, as he engages with you.

    *Grabs tinfoil hat and ducks*
  • glwglw Posts: 9,796
    Floater said:

    shopping report - no toilet or kitchen roll - or bin bags strangely enough

    Very limited soap, pain killers and rice

    Everything else ok

    I tell you one thing that has gone, thermometers, online and in-store they have disappeared.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140
    Tonight I will be making Tofu Garam Masala.

    Fortunately, I like to cook, and have reasonably well stocked cupboards, so mostly my children will be having to deal with my new culinary adventures.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    So in which country/region did these deaths occur?
    I strongly suspect that if bulk cremation was the practice in Italy we would have heard about it from other sources by now.
    And the reported Albanian fatalities are nowhere near enough to justify the sort of measures alleged.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    rcs1000 said:

    Tonight I will be making Tofu Garam Masala.

    Fortunately, I like to cook, and have reasonably well stocked cupboards, so mostly my children will be having to deal with my new culinary adventures.

    My thoughts and prayers are with your children at this difficult time for them :-)
  • glwglw Posts: 9,796

    I understand there being upset with the strategy based on its pros and cons but it's pretty gross just seeing partisan politics at this time. Disgusting in fact.

    If twitter was around at the times of the WWII, I wonder if we would have the same armchair general claiming Churchill was deliberately trying to kill everybody?
    There would be people claiming that most of the bombs were shells from our anti-aircraft defences.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited March 2020
    Out of VVVChina....
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,695

    rcs1000 said:

    Tonight I will be making Tofu Garam Masala.

    Fortunately, I like to cook, and have reasonably well stocked cupboards, so mostly my children will be having to deal with my new culinary adventures.

    My thoughts and prayers are with your children at this difficult time for them :-)
    :smile:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    glw said:

    Floater said:

    shopping report - no toilet or kitchen roll - or bin bags strangely enough

    Very limited soap, pain killers and rice

    Everything else ok

    I tell you one thing that has gone, thermometers, online and in-store they have disappeared.
    Got mine on order, should be arriving wednesday.
  • eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
    Yes, I am wiser. I now know that you speak to random morons. This does not surprise me, as you have so much in common with them.
    Why do you insult posters in this way

    You are not wiser and any idea you are is just arrogant

    Many on here do not agree with you and they are entitled to their view
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,266
    Working more than 20 hours a day isn't exactly a good idea.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    isam said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
    I stayed in last night, just spoke to a mate who went out.. the pub was rammed, couldn't get to the bar, and there was only one table free in the curry house after. I had genuinely expected him to say it was like a ghost town!
    Enjoy it while it lasts would be my take on that.

    Pubs would do a roaring trade if an asteroid was on its way.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "It came out of China - nobody's fault..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited March 2020
    Come back Comical Ali, he was more believable and credible than Trump.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
    eadric said:

    Trump: “I was honoured to see that the stock market set a record.” 🤦‍♂️

    He really said that?

    HELP.
    He's just said the press has been really fair over last 24 hours, "mostly"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    edited March 2020

    Its just mad. When I prepped my parents, yes we got some toilet rolls, hand wash etc, but the real focus was on getting two freezers worth of frozen fruit, veg and meat.

    Bog roll mania seems to have become a Thing. It's really taken off. It could be that there is in each of us a deep-seated fear of what running out of it could lead us to resort to, but I'm not so sure it's that. I sense many - perhaps most - people are joining in simply because this is what you do when something becomes a Thing. It's a way of bonding. And in times such as these, we do need to bond - if free of the virus, obviously, otherwise it's the very opposite.
  • ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Is it me, or does the hat thing make him look like he's at a baseball game and not taking this seriously?
    It makes him look like a twat.

    But to be fair, that’s true of whatever he wears because he is a twat.
    He doesn't need a hat.....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
    isam said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
    I stayed in last night, just spoke to a mate who went out.. the pub was rammed, couldn't get to the bar, and there was only one table free in the curry house after. I had genuinely expected him to say it was like a ghost town!
    Give it a couple of weeks.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Andy_JS said:

    Working more than 20 hours a day isn't exactly a good idea.

    They all look knackered - or embarrassed to be standing behind him...
  • eadric said:

    Trump: “I was honoured to see that the stock market set a record.” 🤦‍♂️

    He really said that?

    HELP.
    When will he start to drone on about 'herd immunity'?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    glw said:

    I understand there being upset with the strategy based on its pros and cons but it's pretty gross just seeing partisan politics at this time. Disgusting in fact.

    If twitter was around at the times of the WWII, I wonder if we would have the same armchair general claiming Churchill was deliberately trying to kill everybody?
    There would be people claiming that most of the bombs were shells from our anti-aircraft defences.
    Read Orwell - the tankie left spent the whole war claiming/dreaming that defeat was just round the corner. He commented in particular on the depression that El Alemein induced.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,830
    edited March 2020

    "It came out of China - nobody's fault..

    HYUFD must be his script writer
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    Trump actually talking sense about hand shaking.

    I am not sure talking about it for 5 mins is required though...

    Oh man he is back onto flu numbers vs coronavirus....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
    Trump now saying that maybe we should give up shaking hands in the long term as it passes on germs.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I've been trying not to talk too much about anything related to Brexit. However, for what it's worth there's a decent chance that this crisis will destroy the EU. It's going to severely distress all of the member state economies, but Italy and Spain are now holed below the water line and poor bloody Greece has had its chips. The flaws in the structure of the Eurozone have never been corrected; the creditor states and their electorates have neither sufficient money nor the necessary willpower to bail their neighbours; the chief creditor is, in any event, in a state of political paralysis and led by a lame duck; and neither the almighty refugee crisis nor the arguments about creeping authoritarianism in key central European states have gone away. The edifice is well ablaze, and even if the firefighters had the will to tackle it they've got no engine, no hoses and no hydrants. Just a bucket with a hole in the bottom.

    Never mind the fact that this all-devouring Coronavirus monster leaves little time to think about the new trading relationship. There might be no entity with which to negotiate such a thing anyway.

    Or perhaps this crisis will demonstrate the inadequacy of the nation state in tackling global issues and thus reinforce the value of the EU.
    The United States of America ain't looking like a great argument for the United States of Europe right now....
    In general, the further removed the rulers are from the people, the worse the governance.
    A man after my own heart. Have you read Reinventing Organizations? I think you'll like it.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.

    She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
    Maybe but she is a member of Cobra and is no doubt expressing Cobra opinion
    Is she? That comes as a surprise.
    Yes alongside Sturgeon and Drakeford

    It is not widely known that all parts of the UK are on Cobra and in agreement on school closures but Sturgeon jumped the gun on announcing the 500 limit on public gatherings
    The fact that school closures, home isolation etc would be for protracted periods, not a couple of weeks has been specifically spelled out by the CSA and CMO.
    BTW, one of the things that's been notable about the UK Government approach over recent weeks is the buy-in from the devolved administrations. Insofar as I'm aware there's been no dissent at all from the first ministers, save for the one instance of Sturgeon going early on the mass gatherings prohibition (which she also made clear she was doing because of concerns related to the workload of the emergency services, rather than a disagreement with the PM's scientific advisers.)

    Consequently, anybody peddling laughable theories about Boris Johnson wanting to commit a genocide of the elderly also has to explain why, in that case, his political arch-enemy in Edinburgh is planning a MacGranny Holocaust in lockstep with him.

    Neither Sturgeon, nor Drakeford, nor Foster have any good reason not to attack the Prime Minister if they believe his strategy to be a disaster. Consequently, I find that the distinct lack of noises off provides some limited reassurance.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    eadric said:

    Trump: “I was honoured to see that the stock market set a record.” 🤦‍♂️

    He really said that?

    HELP.
    When will he start to drone on about 'herd immunity'?
    I am trying to imagine Chris Whitty explaining it to him - slowly, using small words and bright colours.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,505
    There doesn’t seem to be any substance to this press conference at all
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,266
    edited March 2020
    Trump desperately needs a moderator or MC at these press conferences (if he's not going to do it himself).
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,261
    Utterly surreal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited March 2020
    So UK getting included in the ban...he has just leaked it ahead of Monday...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2020
    Extending travel ban to UK & Ireland....on Monday....to be announced Monday...leaked now...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    I agree, I dont think it was the cab driver making all this up either.
    Oh F off. Why would I lie about this? What's the point? Some kind of evil glee in frightening people?

    This is what he said. He was very well informed about the virus, he knew all about containment and delay, and "flattening the curve". He was frightened for his young family, but he was smart, calm and articulate, and, I believe, telling the truth as he had perceived it.

    I spoke to a young couple out with their dog in the park earlier. They didn’t know anyone who has been ill. They aren’t worried about the virus. They don’t have any cousins whose parents have been left to die at home.

    Are you any the wiser from reading my anecdote?

    No.
    I stayed in last night, just spoke to a mate who went out.. the pub was rammed, couldn't get to the bar, and there was only one table free in the curry house after. I had genuinely expected him to say it was like a ghost town!
    Give it a couple of weeks.
    I would probably go t a quiet pub on a non weekend night, but a Friday or Saturday when they are heaving is a no no for me now
  • rcs1000 said:

    Tonight I will be making Tofu Garam Masala.

    Fortunately, I like to cook, and have reasonably well stocked cupboards, so mostly my children will be having to deal with my new culinary adventures.

    I can't get my head around Tofu. I've had it in an Indian restaurant and it was superb. Whenever I cook it, it tastes like flavoured slug.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    No more travel to the USA for us for now :p
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335

    eadric said:

    Trump: “I was honoured to see that the stock market set a record.” 🤦‍♂️

    He really said that?

    HELP.
    When will he start to drone on about 'herd immunity'?
    I am trying to imagine Chris Whitty explaining it to him - slowly, using small words and bright colours.
    He's now back to saying the Fed is absolute crap.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,138
    justin124 said:

    Had the election been delayed until March, how different would the result have been? I doubt that 'Getting Brexit done' would have had anything like the same resonance as was the case in December. The NHS would surely have been much more central to the campaign - and surely to Labour's advantage. Would the Red Wall have crumbled anything like as dramatically?

    I can say with confidence that Labour would have lost many more seats. The reason: Jeremy Corbyn
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,459

    eadric said:

    Just had a fairly terrifying black cab ride across London (I'm now taking black cabs because they are bigger and there is a divide between you and the driver - better than Uber (one of a trillion unexpected ramifications of the Virus))

    The driver was a very smart Albanian guy, late 30s, who previously lived in Milan for 18 years, where he was a semi pro football player. All we did - he and me - was talk corona, it is all that anyone talks about, now.

    He had a few startling anecdotes.


    1. He said it is bollocks that only old people get really ill and die. He said in his old football academy in Milan he knew four people with corona, one of which had died, and two were still very ill. They are/were in thei r30s like him. Super fit athletic types. Quite a few young people get this as well and sometimes they get it very very bad. And even die.

    No kids tho, thank fuck.

    2. He described the experience of a cousin in a small town. Let's call him X. This guy X is early 40s, unmarried, was living with his two elderly parents. First X's dad got coronavirus, badly, and when the ambulance drivers came and saw how bad X's dad was, they said to X: Say goodbye now, he'd not going to survive, he won't even be treated.

    So they took X's dad away and sure enough he died three days later.

    Then X's mum got ill, and the exact same thing happened: the medics came and shook their heads and said Say goodbye now, she's going, you won't see her again. So X - this time emotionally prepared - told the locals to come round and wave through the window to his mum, because she was about to go to hospital and she wasn't coming back. The neighbourhood came and waved goodbye.

    A few days later X's mum died.

    X then rang and asked about the bodies and he was told "Your mum and dad and have been taking to Special Crematorium XP4 (or whatever) they where have been burned with many other bodies. We cannot bury people as the virus lives on in corpses."

    Now, the cab driver might have been making all this up. I do not believe he was.

    This is faulty thinking eadric. We know the age adjusted mortality rates give or take. There is no point chucking that knowledge away based on a chat with a cab driver, with all due respect to him.
    LOL @eadric's latest report from the front line proving too much for at least one of his fellow preppers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335

    Extending travel ban to UK & Ireland....on Monday

    Ban to UK or ban from UK? Or both?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,261
    "we have the #1 currency in the world by factor of many times"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,505
    This is getting beyond surreal
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    Anybody who bought in the idea that Trump was actually acting and it was a genius strategy of appealing to a particular demographic in normal times...probably the same kind of people who believe this is just like flu.
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