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https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1234118457291165696
He's nearly as bad as Pickford.
What is abundantly clear, and no surprise, is that people have already decided what has gone on based on politics.
(On my mobile, so initially barely legible...)
You just want everyone else to panic so that you feel less guilty about being the first.
I like the point about 'free listening', with the public domain a series of heavily defended rival fortresses. I'm sure we all have a tendency to give in to that, but some are fully immersed in it. And the sad thing is it's not just people we disagree with who do it, but many we agree with. It can be incredibly frustrating to agree with the position someone has but they put it in such a rigid way, or intolerant of others beyond merely seeking that someone saying something we disagree with should receive reasonable consequence.
My favourite line of this was this though:
You’re not going to be able to raid your opponents’ best ideas if you’re not listening to them at all.
I also heartily endorse the use of the term snowflake to refer to people on the right as well as the left. I think it is a useful term (if like many others prone to overuse) and applicable widely.
Today the UK's test total is 11,750.
The only European country with comparable testing on available data is Italy, with 9,462 tests on 26 Feb - no doubt they've done more, since the 470 positive at the time is now 1,128.
An occupational hazard is that you become unsure of anything, but maybe we overrate the importance of being certain that we're right, since certainty is so rarely justified in reality.
Unlike your previous PB wussyfits, this time we will, in time, get an answer.
You’ve repeatedly posted your calculations showing that two million Brits will die of Corona in the next twelve months. Scale back your hyperbole and let’s settle on a figure of half a million. If in early 2021 you are proved right, and assuming both you and I escape being among the half million, you can claim your due credit.
If however the eventual death rate falls into the order of magnitude only several times worse than normal winter flu, we’ll all be able to see how deeply irresponsible have been your posts and predictions these recent weeks.
Free speech does not equal consequence free speech. Those that make anti-semetic comments, deride the poor, make racist comments about immigrants or even just demonstrate an irrational hatred for supporters of other parties really can't complain if all decent minded people think less of them and give less weight to their views on anything else.
In this country we have major problems with homelessness, drug deaths, the fragility of gig employment and people excluded from the opportunities this society offers. We have even bigger problems with global warming, energy security, infrastructure and, oh yes, there is a virus popping up as well. Few governments have had such busy in trays and I am not completely convinced there is enough talent in this government to deal with it.
Also, 'used to know a Danish Supreme Court Judge'? Who are you, Charles?
Keith Neal, emeritus professor of epidemiology of infectious diseases, University of Nottingham, said:
We know there are a lot of cases in Italy and Iran. A second case without known contact shows that the current surveillance for cases without a travel history or a history of close contact is working. It also suggests that Covid-19 may have more cases with mild or no symptoms than the Chinese data suggests.
You absolute twat just wasting resources but wait you didn't care enough because you know you are just indulging your panic so you "just gave up". Not the actions of someone who actually is worried.
And with all your wealth and newly released cash from your equities sell off you didn't go privately. Have you done since?
You are loathsome. You were quite a funny and polished wordsmith but you have forsaken any right to respect.
His descent has between pretty impressive.
Meanwhile I have been provided good advance advice on betting the financial markets this last week that would have made a handsome profit for anyone that cared to follow it.
Either you have actually HAD Coronavirus, and recovered from what appears to have been a relatively modest illness. In which case you are ideally positioned to reassure people that, for the majority of the population, it isn’t actually that bad. And, with your immunity, you have no need to be hiding indoors stocking up on canned food.
Or, alternatively, you know that you panicked when you really had just a common cold, wasted a lot of medical professionals’ time, have no immunity, and simply worked yourself into a flap from which you are now struggling to escape.
It has to be one of the other. My money is on the second.
From the way you are behaving, I think yours is also.
Encouraging others to commit crimes, or inciting hatred are fare game for legal consequences and have been for a long time. But expressing controversial opinions however not so. Incitement has a very high bar for prosecution.
this example on the face of it is appalling:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921
The honeymoon is surely over.
Depending on whether the public is looking for serious politicians again or not, I suspect will be answered in 2024.
What will the impact of a hypothetical Sanders win do for Starmer do we think?
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said on Sunday the government was considering all options, from closing schools to isolating entire cities if Covid-19 became a pandemic. He said ministers would publish a plan this week to explain how they may tackle such an event.
An email sent to board members of the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners on Saturday by its chief executive, Susannah Hancock, reveals that these measures would also include potentially delaying the forthcoming elections.
She said that the Home Office, in discussions with the Cabinet Office, had sought legal advice on postponing the elections.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/local-elections-could-be-delayed-by-coronavirus-outbreak
https://twitter.com/CrimeGirI/status/1234128414732423168?s=20
As Topping says, your posts on this issue have from the beginning been shameful.
You were worried enough to be in touch with PHE but it was all bollocks because when it came down to it you didn't really think you were ill.
Or you would have gone to a private clinic on Monday morning.
The alternative being to believe that Sean is actually UK Patient Zero.
The public health message that face masks don't work sounds like a purposeful myth designed to a) stop people fighting over these items and any fear associated with not having one; b) prevent a moral hazard occurring whereby people with masks stop helpful behaviour such as washing hands; c) cognisant that your average Jo's masks is unlikely to be well fitted or of sufficient quality to be of use; d) protect stock for HCPs.
I bet some people during WW2 genuinely believed that eating carrots improved their eyesight.
https://youtu.be/o8tz2jhRAC8
But you can afford not to. Which is worse.
I'm done with you
At least we aren’t doing what many Iranians are doing - according to this lunchtime’s R4 news - and going to lick the shrines of Islamic holy men to demonstrate our faith in our religion’s ability to save us. People queuing to lick the same stone as hundreds of people before them is hardly optimum right now.
Look at Toby Young. Yes he said some bad things on Twitter but most of these were around 10 years before he was fired. Is it not possible that in the intervening time he grew up a bit and became a better person?
We here a lot of talk about rehabilitation but there is no rehabilitation on social media:
Take two examples:
A teenager steals from a shop. He is punished and learns the error of his ways. His conviction eventually becomes spent (the state more or less forgets)
A teenager writes something offensive on social media. He grows up and comes to regret it but it can never be forgotten and it prevents him from getting a job.
Is this fair?
The other issue is that social media becomes judge and jury. There is no room for mitigating circumstances. Toby Young may have done some good work founding free schools since he wrote the offensive tweets but this counted for nothing.
They need to find a cure for Covid-19 NOW.
And his advice four weeks ago to get out of equities was the most valuable I have ever acted on.
I agree on the Iranians.
I do however, get concerned about twitter mobs trying to hound people out of their jobs, or organise boycotts, for things that have been expressed outside of the workplace. Or people getting threatened with violence for their opinions.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ioUAJUbhd4c
My advice - from last weekend onwards - to take sell positions on the Dow and FTSE, and sell GBP/CHF - would actually have delivered you a profit (rather than just an avoided loss) this week.
I'm at acceptance now but some pb posters are close to dragging me towards anger. The masters of the universe on here are very testing.
Spanish Flu: 50 million
SARS: 800
Smallpox: 500 million
Polio: Millions?
We've past the point where this can be contained a la SARS.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.162087290
I wonder if this will shred the Tory economic credentials as per 1992?
On a different topic, can someone tell Chelsea/Spurs/Utd that just because City are banned doesn't mean 5th place is more valuable than 4th?
In no time at all the ladies developed a remarkable skill for discerning traces of insulting behaviour in the townspeople. A lack of respect would be detected (in a turned back, in a ‘saucy’ smile, in a cheeky ‘Good day!’) and quick as a flash it would be dealt with. Miss Johnston rapidly established herself as the champion in both detection and retribution and accordingly became the most sought-after person to accompany shopping expeditions.
It’s a wonderful book - highly recommended, along with the rest of the Empire Trilogy.
The manufacturing heart of the planet no longer beating. The disruption that is going to cause to ever longer supply chains for almost all manufactures of any complexity is almost immeasurable. For me this virus remains more of an economic crisis than a health one. But its not going to be good.
I’m starting to get seriously worried now, I just don’t see how it’s containable unless everyone stops travelling to or from the place about a fortnight ago.
I suspect Labour will receive a boost, perhaps mainly from the Lib Dem vote?
I think Starmer will have done very badly if he isn't reaching the 40s, which even Corbyn achieved.
Their view was a two month self isolation for most of the country, anyone returning to the UK gets put in a government secure site.
Hopefully that'll delay the peak until the summer when we should theoretically better able to deal with it.
A period of emotional adjustment is necessary and painful.
But also think about the practicalities and do the most you can now to protect you and yours.
This is just the time we need a competent opposition. The good news is we seem like we're about to get one.
I work in technology, that's no issue for me. But it's surely going to fuck other industries.
"Then he proceeded to tell me of the mischievous consequences which attended the presumption of the Turks and Mahometans in Asia and in other places where he had been (for my brother, being a merchant, was a few years before, as I have already observed, returned from abroad, coming last from Lisbon), and how, presuming upon their professed predestinating notions, and of every man's end being predetermined and unalterably beforehand decreed, they would go unconcerned into infected places and converse with infected persons, by which means they died at the rate of ten or fifteen thousand a week, whereas the Europeans or Christian merchants, who kept themselves retired and reserved, generally escaped the contagion."
Defoe, Journal of the Plague Year