Have the SCons made any statement after their campaign based solely on stopping Indyref II was such miserable. shitstinking failure? I assume they now accept the will of the people.
Interesting discussion on the thread this morning. Like Paristonda, I think Johnson will get a bare-bones deal through, which may be sub-optimal financially but that plays second fiddle to politics for him. A Conservative friend expresses mild concern about the talk of far-reaching constitutional change (and that was before this morning's talk of scrapping the current laws), but here again I think the primacy of politics for Johnson shows through.
Is the Lords difficult? Let's scrap them. Are the BBC unhelpful? Let's dump the licence fee. Are the courts obstructive? Let's reduce their power. It's a pattern.
On the Labour side, an interesting article for punters by the Labour List editor, who usually has a very good feeling for the party pulse - the poll is also likely to be pretty accurate as the blog reaches all parts of the party. The RLB bandwagon is evident, as is the Corbynsceptic bloc of 40% or so looking at Starmer. Not yet in the bag for RLB, I think, especially with the new members pouring in to influence the outcome one way or the other.
14% rather than 40% for Starmer I think? My reading is most on that survey haven't made up their mind. Does look like Nandy doesn't have much support though, perhaps she doesn't have the profile. Owen Jones previously backed her for leader, so I wonder if that could give her the boost needed.
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
There's an interesting difference between now Conservative dominated Teesside and Tyneside with its still total Labour domination.
I have a theory that conurbations of towns such as Teeside (and likewise the Potteries, the Black Country and the Bournemouth-Poole-Christchurch area) are different to conurbations based around a single big city.
Areas with urban blight but without the swanky city centre and its associated glass-fronted offices.
Teesside, the Potteries, the Black Country and even Bournemouth just don't have the critical mass that a city (even Newcastle) does.
Once upon a time I would have said the issue was transport links but that's definitely not the case in Darlington as it has a Motorway, mainline rail services and an airport.
Have the SCons made any statement after their campaign based solely on stopping Indyref II was such miserable. shitstinking failure? I assume they now accept the will of the people.
There's an interesting difference between now Conservative dominated Teesside and Tyneside with its still total Labour domination.
I have a theory that conurbations of towns such as Teeside (and likewise the Potteries, the Black Country and the Bournemouth-Poole-Christchurch area) are different to conurbations based around a single big city.
Areas with urban blight but without the swanky city centre and its associated glass-fronted offices.
Teesside, the Potteries, the Black Country and even Bournemouth just don't have the critical mass that a city (even Newcastle) does.
Once upon a time I would have said the issue was transport links but that's definitely not the case in Darlington as it has a Motorway, mainline rail services and an airport.
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
Only because we think it's backing himself into a corner - it's almost like Boris was given a gun from the election result and he's already shot himself in the leg.
<<<When under 3rd country rules 50% of goods are tariff free to export to the EU, the next 30% are less than 3% tariff and it is the last 20% that have high tariffs. The high tariffs are on food, cars and textiles where the EU runs large surpluses with the UK. The nation states in the EU now have a very clear choice if you want >>>
Britain forcing its key demands on the EU27 has a 0% success rate since 2016.
There's an interesting difference between now Conservative dominated Teesside and Tyneside with its still total Labour domination.
I have a theory that conurbations of towns such as Teeside (and likewise the Potteries, the Black Country and the Bournemouth-Poole-Christchurch area) are different to conurbations based around a single big city.
Areas with urban blight but without the swanky city centre and its associated glass-fronted offices.
Teesside, the Potteries, the Black Country and even Bournemouth just don't have the critical mass that a city (even Newcastle) does.
Once upon a time I would have said the issue was transport links but that's definitely not the case in Darlington as it has a Motorway, mainline rail services and an airport.
Just look at the number of Nobel Laureates Cambridge has produced versus the number the dump has.
Produced lots of traitors too
Yes but successful traitors! The Oxford spy ring was rounded up almost before it was started. The Cambridge spies had long and exemplary careers giving away our secrets and leading to the deaths of thousands.
Have the SCons made any statement after their campaign based solely on stopping Indyref II was such miserable. shitstinking failure? I assume they now accept the will of the people.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
Only because we think it's backing himself into a corner - it's almost like Boris was given a gun from the election result and he's already shot himself in the leg.
How is implementing his number one manifesto promise shooting himself in the leg?
There's an interesting difference between now Conservative dominated Teesside and Tyneside with its still total Labour domination.
I have a theory that conurbations of towns such as Teeside (and likewise the Potteries, the Black Country and the Bournemouth-Poole-Christchurch area) are different to conurbations based around a single big city.
Areas with urban blight but without the swanky city centre and its associated glass-fronted offices.
Teesside, the Potteries, the Black Country and even Bournemouth just don't have the critical mass that a city (even Newcastle) does.
Once upon a time I would have said the issue was transport links but that's definitely not the case in Darlington as it has a Motorway, mainline rail services and an airport.
Michael Porter in the Competitive Advantage of Nations states that the biggest gains come from the virtuous circle of having multiple competitors in the same area. So I suspect it's a critical mass issue
It's often the case in retail circles that two or three similar shops in the same area result in more trade for each. Depends on the type of business, of course.
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
Only because we think it's backing himself into a corner - it's almost like Boris was given a gun from the election result and he's already shot himself in the leg.
How is implementing his number one manifesto promise shooting himself in the leg?
He's in danger of losing the "didn't vote for him last Thursday" vote
<<<When under 3rd country rules 50% of goods are tariff free to export to the EU, the next 30% are less than 3% tariff and it is the last 20% that have high tariffs. The high tariffs are on food, cars and textiles where the EU runs large surpluses with the UK. The nation states in the EU now have a very clear choice if you want >>>
Britain forcing its key demands on the EU27 has a 0% success rate since 2016.
It was a great success when Johnson replaced May onwards.
Remember the Withdrawal Agreement that was sealed and impossible to change until Johnson got it changed? Remember how a unilateral exit from any backstop was impossible as then there would be no backstop, but then Johnson got the backstop dropped and a unilateral Stormont exit from Stormont's special arrangements?
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
Only because we think it's backing himself into a corner - it's almost like Boris was given a gun from the election result and he's already shot himself in the leg.
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
<<<When under 3rd country rules 50% of goods are tariff free to export to the EU, the next 30% are less than 3% tariff and it is the last 20% that have high tariffs. The high tariffs are on food, cars and textiles where the EU runs large surpluses with the UK. The nation states in the EU now have a very clear choice if you want >>>
Britain forcing its key demands on the EU27 has a 0% success rate since 2016.
The UK's negotiating position is much improved since the May wimp was Barnier's poodle.
Interesting discussion on the thread this morning. Like Paristonda, I think Johnson will get a bare-bones deal through, which may be sub-optimal financially but that plays second fiddle to politics for him. A Conservative friend expresses mild concern about the talk of far-reaching constitutional change (and that was before this morning's talk of scrapping the current laws), but here again I think the primacy of politics for Johnson shows through.
Is the Lords difficult? Let's scrap them. Are the BBC unhelpful? Let's dump the licence fee. Are the courts obstructive? Let's reduce their power. It's a pattern.
On the Labour side, an interesting article for punters by the Labour List editor, who usually has a very good feeling for the party pulse - the poll is also likely to be pretty accurate as the blog reaches all parts of the party. The RLB bandwagon is evident, as is the Corbynsceptic bloc of 40% or so looking at Starmer. Not yet in the bag for RLB, I think, especially with the new members pouring in to influence the outcome one way or the other.
It's touching that the faithful believe Johnson won dazzling new concessions rather than the reality of having gone back on key demands previously fundamental to his negotiating position, but then again that's testament to the power of presentation, I suppose.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
RLB and JRM taking communion together. There's a thought.
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
Only because we think it's backing himself into a corner - it's almost like Boris was given a gun from the election result and he's already shot himself in the leg.
How is implementing his number one manifesto promise shooting himself in the leg?
Depends if that number one promise hurts him or not.
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
That newly-elected Lib Dem MP who hasn't even been sworn in yet to Parliament was just on Sky "not ruling [herself] out" of running for Lib Dem leader and saying "yes" the next Lib Dem leader should be a woman.
This sort of tokenism is absurd. If she or another candidate should be leader it should be because they are the best candidate, not have the right sort of genitalia. If Ed Davey is the best candidate he shouldn't be ruled out because he has the wrong sort of genitalia.
I somewhat suspect Swinson beat Davey last time because of the members aversion to anyone with a Y-chromosome being leader. But I also suspect Davey wouldn't have lost his seat at the election and wouldn't have led the Lib Dems to the net loss of MPs at the election. Maybe Swinson herself would still be an MP if Davey had won!
This conservative is not grumpy and delighted the ordinary people rose up against the elite and those wanting to stop the democratic vote to leave, even though I voted remain
And judging by the posts this morning, so many are still fighting the lost battle to remain or are actively hoping the country fails
I am made of sterner stuff and see a promising future and am not the least negative
Have a good day folks
There was a time when you quit the Tory Party over a threat to leave the EU without a trade deal in place. Has your son got a new job?
Airbus has committed to the UK no matter what happens to the negotiations and if you check all the constituencies around the Airbus North Wales factory turned blue apart from Alyn and Deeside which was held by labour with a 213 majority
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Our opponents seem to have adopted the strange idea that because we won an election, anything we do in our manifesto has no authority.
It will serve you well no doubt for the next five years.
And the next five.
And the next five......
Was there much in the manifesto?
Not extending the transition period was in the manifesto. So all the faux shock and horror that the Tory manifesto pledge is being honoured is a bit . . . strange.
In bold text on page 5: we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
Doesnt need a law to ensure that.
Good politics though? It's certainly rattled a few cages on here.
Only because we think it's backing himself into a corner - it's almost like Boris was given a gun from the election result and he's already shot himself in the leg.
How is implementing his number one manifesto promise shooting himself in the leg?
If we No Deal then Johnson will spend the final four years of his premiership firefighting the economic chaos. So not a good idea to box himself in.
That newly-elected Lib Dem MP who hasn't even been sworn in yet to Parliament was just on Sky "not ruling [herself] out" of running for Lib Dem leader and saying "yes" the next Lib Dem leader should be a woman.
This sort of tokenism is absurd. If she or another candidate should be leader it should be because they are the best candidate, not have the right sort of genitalia. If Ed Davey is the best candidate he shouldn't be ruled out because he has the wrong sort of genitalia.
I somewhat suspect Swinson beat Davey last time because of the members aversion to anyone with a Y-chromosome being leader. But I also suspect Davey wouldn't have lost his seat at the election and wouldn't have led the Lib Dems to the net loss of MPs at the election. Maybe Swinson herself would still be an MP if Davey had won!
Agree. When Davey was on the box he came across well. And he could, and did, defend his time as a Minister, because he did a reasonable job on Energy.
That newly-elected Lib Dem MP who hasn't even been sworn in yet to Parliament was just on Sky "not ruling [herself] out" of running for Lib Dem leader and saying "yes" the next Lib Dem leader should be a woman.
This sort of tokenism is absurd. If she or another candidate should be leader it should be because they are the best candidate, not have the right sort of genitalia. If Ed Davey is the best candidate he shouldn't be ruled out because he has the wrong sort of genitalia.
I somewhat suspect Swinson beat Davey last time because of the members aversion to anyone with a Y-chromosome being leader. But I also suspect Davey wouldn't have lost his seat at the election and wouldn't have led the Lib Dems to the net loss of MPs at the election. Maybe Swinson herself would still be an MP if Davey had won!
Surely the next leader has to be a man to ensure balance?
There's an interesting difference between now Conservative dominated Teesside and Tyneside with its still total Labour domination.
I have a theory that conurbations of towns such as Teeside (and likewise the Potteries, the Black Country and the Bournemouth-Poole-Christchurch area) are different to conurbations based around a single big city.
Areas with urban blight but without the swanky city centre and its associated glass-fronted offices.
Teesside, the Potteries, the Black Country and even Bournemouth just don't have the critical mass that a city (even Newcastle) does.
Once upon a time I would have said the issue was transport links but that's definitely not the case in Darlington as it has a Motorway, mainline rail services and an airport.
Michael Porter in the Competitive Advantage of Nations states that the biggest gains come from the virtuous circle of having multiple competitors in the same area. So I suspect it's a critical mass issue
It's often the case in retail circles that two or three similar shops in the same area result in more trade for each. Depends on the type of business, of course.
Teeside, the Potteries,the Black country and Bournemouth may be urban, but they are not metropolitan. Metropolitan for me is an area with the ability to attract students from elsewhere and retain them after graduation.
Interesting discussion on the thread this morning. Like Paristonda, I think Johnson will get a bare-bones deal through, which may be sub-optimal financially but that plays second fiddle to politics for him. A Conservative friend expresses mild concern about the talk of far-reaching constitutional change (and that was before this morning's talk of scrapping the current laws), but here again I think the primacy of politics for Johnson shows through.
Is the Lords difficult? Let's scrap them. Are the BBC unhelpful? Let's dump the licence fee. Are the courts obstructive? Let's reduce their power. It's a pattern.
On the Labour side, an interesting article for punters by the Labour List editor, who usually has a very good feeling for the party pulse - the poll is also likely to be pretty accurate as the blog reaches all parts of the party. The RLB bandwagon is evident, as is the Corbynsceptic bloc of 40% or so looking at Starmer. Not yet in the bag for RLB, I think, especially with the new members pouring in to influence the outcome one way or the other.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
Hey, at least he waited for the exit poll. No sense in loyalty to a discredited leader.
He also waited for the first seats to confirm the exit poll.
The domain is parked so there is no evidence of any planning whatsoever, or even that it is connected with Starmer himself though that is the obvious suspicion. Registering a domain takes a couple of minutes. It is the content that takes longer.
Are all Cabinet meetings like this or had someone tipped off Boris's script-writer that the cameras would be there?
This amazing, unchallenged assertion that 'the people' 'lent' their votes to the tories. To increase their share by 1%.
Almost 44%. I remember the days when people on here were saying the Tories would never win a majority again, and now we are approaching a majority of the votes.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
Wasn't Corbyn said to favour Laura Pidcock, who lost her seat?
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
Wasn't Corbyn said to favour Laura Pidcock, who lost her seat?
There might be others, but they don't mention it on their Wiki pages..
That's not a good advert is it.
For Oxford? Well, obviously it's missing the towering intellects of Abbott and Burgon that Cambridge can boast!
I appreciate your squeamishness about mentioning David Lammy and towering intellect in the same sentence but on this occasion it would have been pardonable.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
The Conservative won by 6%, among voters aged 40-49, a key shift from 2017. 39 was the age at which people became more likely to vote Conservative than Labour, compared to 47 in 2017.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
The Conservative won by 6%, among voters aged 40-49, a key shift from 2017. 39 was the age at which people became more likely to vote Conservative than Labour, compared to 47 in 2017.
Byronic: a lot more voters over 50 than below, and much higher turnout. There are hardly any voters in the 18-24 age group compared to the other age groups.
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Well said. It’s worse, though. They seem to think that it is an impertinence for anyone even to ask them how they intend doing what they are promising. It is hubristic and will inevitably lead to trouble, no matter how often they talk about having been “lent” Labour votes.
@Paristonda You may well be correct - Fish and Financial services could be the big sacrifices to get perhaps tarriff free trading. North East Scotland, Great Grimsby and the rest of inner London (Bar Fulham and Chelsea) could swing back back to Labour/the SNP next election.
Indeed. And no-one has yet explained how all the spending promises will be paid for if one of the biggest tax revenue earning sectors is sacrificed. It was a legitimate question to ask Labour and it is a legitimate question to ask the Tories.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist?
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
McDonnell nearly trained to be a Catholic priest. Don’t assume that being religious makes one sensible or moderate. She’s Corbyn with breasts. Why do you think she’s been so heavily promoted by him and McDonnell.
In fact, a remarkably comprehensive victory for the Conservatives. They led among full time workers, part-time workers, the retired, while only trailing with the unemployed and students. They led among the rich, people on average incomes, and the poor.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
18-24 is a tiny age group, it doesn't mean that much. They didn't win that easily in 25-49 (which is a farcically wide age range).
A 5 point lead for Lab in men in 25-49 is not very much. Not when compared to a 26% lead for Tories in 50-64 or a 49% lead in 65+
A 13% lead for Lab in women 25-49 is better, but still pretty poor when compared to a 22% lead for Tories in 50-64 or a 48% lead in 65+
Basically Lab got tiny leads amongst the young which is quite poor for them and Tories got stonkingly massive leads amongst the middle aged and elderly.
It is time for everyone to accept Brexit is happening or just be in a permanent state of depression
Who doesn't accept that Brexit is happening ?
Tories seem to have adopted the strange idea that because they won an election, anything they do is now beyond criticism.
Well said. It’s worse, though. They seem to think that it is an impertinence for anyone even to ask them how they intend doing what they are promising. It is hubristic and will inevitably lead to trouble, no matter how often they talk about having been “lent” Labour votes.
@Paristonda You may well be correct - Fish and Financial services could be the big sacrifices to get perhaps tarriff free trading. North East Scotland, Great Grimsby and the rest of inner London (Bar Fulham and Chelsea) could swing back back to Labour/the SNP next election.
Indeed. And no-one has yet explained how all the spending promises will be paid for if one of the biggest tax revenue earning sectors is sacrificed. It was a legitimate question to ask Labour and it is a legitimate question to ask the Tories.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist?
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
McDonnell nearly trained to be a Catholic priest. Don’t assume that being religious makes one sensible or moderate. She’s Corbyn with breasts. Why do you think she’s been so heavily promoted by him and McDonnell.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
We saw lots of polls during the campaign where Tories were miles ahead with men and only neck and neck with woman. Clearly there is a shy lady Tory vote.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
If the advisors and other key background people remain the same, you get the same policies and the same control over the party. Is there any evidence that she has ever had or uttered any independent thought? Until we see evidence otherwise, it is safe to assume that with her you will get continuity Corbynism.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
Or is my withered brain missing something obvious?
No. Even if turnout was identical across all age groups the Tories would still have had a massive lead. There simply aren't that many aged 18-24 which is the only group that Lab had a large lead in. The lead for Lab in 25-49 is quite small compared to the middle aged and elderly bands.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
Or is my withered brain missing something obvious?
No. Even if turnout was identical across all age groups the Tories would still have had a massive lead. There simply aren't that many aged 18-24 which is the only group that Lab had a large lead in. The lead for Lab in 25-49 is quite small compared to the middle aged and elderly bands.
If the Tories came up with some sensible stuff on things like student loan repayment and housing, they could probably do even better.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
Or is my withered brain missing something obvious?
No. Even if turnout was identical across all age groups the Tories would still have had a massive lead. There simply aren't that many aged 18-24 which is the only group that Lab had a large lead in. The lead for Lab in 25-49 is quite small compared to the middle aged and elderly bands.
If the Tories came up with some sensible stuff on things like student loan repayment and housing, they could probably do even better.
In fact, a remarkably comprehensive victory for the Conservatives. They led among full time workers, part-time workers, the retired, while only trailing with the unemployed and students. They led among the rich, people on average incomes, and the poor.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
If the advisors and other key background people remain the same, you get the same policies and the same control over the party. Is there any evidence that she has ever had or uttered any independent thought? Until we see evidence otherwise, it is safe to assume that with her you will get continuity Corbynism.
I expect the term 'Corbynist' to be widely used by the tories over the next 5 years. The tories have never had a good bogeyman to refer back to, Blair being mainly a nemesis of the left.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
If the advisors and other key background people remain the same, you get the same policies and the same control over the party. Is there any evidence that she has ever had or uttered any independent thought? Until we see evidence otherwise, it is safe to assume that with her you will get continuity Corbynism.
I expect the term 'Corbynist' to be widely used by the tories over the next 5 years. The tories have never had a good bogeyman to refer back to, Blair being mainly a nemesis of the left.
I wonder if the Tories will keep on the services of the folk from down under. They seem to be very effective at working out the correct messaging.
In fact, a remarkably comprehensive victory for the Conservatives. They led among full time workers, part-time workers, the retired, while only trailing with the unemployed and students. They led among the rich, people on average incomes, and the poor.
Just us pesky Jocks peeing on their/your chips..
It's fine. You guys like the Northern Irish can be safely ignored for the next few years. You have devolution just go about minding your own business and we can mind ours.
Maybe next generation there'll be a hung Parliament or Lab victory where your MPs matter.
In fact, a remarkably comprehensive victory for the Conservatives. They led among full time workers, part-time workers, the retired, while only trailing with the unemployed and students. They led among the rich, people on average incomes, and the poor.
Just us pesky Jocks peeing on their/your chips..
We've got five years to take a dump on your fish supper.....
Anyhoo by the end of her life Thatcher considered herself more of a Cambridge lady after the shameful way Oxford treated her as PM.
Pah! Margaret Thatcher appeared on RT. She was very much the Jeremy Corbyn of her day. Or possibly going on foreign telly was not seen as treason back then.
It depends on when you went on and what you were talking about.
There was a period from the mid 80s to the early 2000s when it looked like Russia was going in the right direction; opening up, becoming more democratic, and no longer agressively opposed to the West. So if you went on RT to talk about say economics in the 90s, that would be entirely different from going on there today and talking about something like Russia's claim to Crimea.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
Or is my withered brain missing something obvious?
No. Even if turnout was identical across all age groups the Tories would still have had a massive lead. There simply aren't that many aged 18-24 which is the only group that Lab had a large lead in. The lead for Lab in 25-49 is quite small compared to the middle aged and elderly bands.
If the Tories came up with some sensible stuff on things like student loan repayment and housing, they could probably do even better.
1. Fear/dislike of Corbyn’s Labour. 2. Wanting to get Brexit over with.
What happens at the next election will depend on how much 1 is still a factor and on how 2 has been implemented and whether it has harmed the economy or those parts of it on whose votes the Tories will depend.
Labour currently looks as if it intends being helpful to the Tories re 1.
On 2 the Tories are hoping that bunging money at their new voters will see them through. They are less clear on (a) how Brexit and these supposed new FTAs will help (@HYUFD made a fool of himself on the previous thread re US FTAs and financial services) and (b) if not, where the money to pay for all these goodies will come from.
Incidentally, I do hope that the government is successful in doing something positive for areas of the country which have been neglected. It is long overdue. It will be fascinating to watch. But it is not going to stop me asking questions about what they are up to and whether they will keep their promises.
And if PB Tories don’t like it, too bad. We don’t live in a one party state and no-one is or should think themselves beyond challenge.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
We saw lots of polls during the campaign where Tories were miles ahead with men and only neck and neck with woman. Clearly there is a shy lady Tory vote.
Clearly there is an unimpressed with the lying, cheating Lothario reminds-me-of-my-ex-husband Boris the utter bastard lady vote. As you'd know, if you did any canvassing....
It might wane - if he is a good boy for five years.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
If the advisors and other key background people remain the same, you get the same policies and the same control over the party. Is there any evidence that she has ever had or uttered any independent thought? Until we see evidence otherwise, it is safe to assume that with her you will get continuity Corbynism.
I expect the term 'Corbynist' to be widely used by the tories over the next 5 years. The tories have never had a good bogeyman to refer back to, Blair being mainly a nemesis of the left.
I wonder if the Tories will keep on the services of the folk from down under. They seem to be very effective at working out the correct messaging.
Effective messaging. Correct implies legal, decent, honest and truthful and there have already been doubts raised about that.
It's fine. You guys like the Northern Irish can be safely ignored for the next few years. You have devolution just go about minding your own business and we can mind ours.
Maybe next generation there'll be a hung Parliament or Lab victory where your MPs matter.
1. Fear/dislike of Corbyn’s Labour. 2. Wanting to get Brexit over with.
What happens at the next election will depend on how much 1 is still a factor and on how 2 has been implemented and whether it has harmed the economy or those parts of it on whose votes the Tories will depend.
Labour currently looks as if it intends being helpful to the Tories re 1.
On 2 the Tories are hoping that bunging money at their new voters will see them through. They are less clear on (a) how Brexit and these supposed new FTAs will help (@HYUFD made a fool of himself on the previous thread re US FTAs and financial services) and (b) if not, where the money to pay for all these goodies will come from.
Incidentally, I do hope that the government is successful in doing something positive for areas of the country which have been neglected. It is long overdue. It will be fascinating to watch. But it is not going to stop me asking questions about what they are up to and whether they will keep their promises.
And if PB Tories don’t like it, too bad. We don’t live in a one party state and no-one is or should think themselves beyond challenge.
I for one do like it. The country and good governance needs rigorous questioning and if it's not coming Labour and the Lib Dems then it should be welcomed from other sources.
But in a reciprocal sense of fairness if the answers to your questions are better from the Tories than other sources then I would hope you reward them with your vote next time.
I'm finding it hard to reconcile the above data, where Labour lost in all income brackets, with the below data, which shows they won easily in all age groups up to 50
We saw lots of polls during the campaign where Tories were miles ahead with men and only neck and neck with woman. Clearly there is a shy lady Tory vote.
Clearly there is an unimpressed with the lying, cheating Lothario reminds-me-of-my-ex-husband Boris the utter bastard lady vote. As you'd know, if you did any canvassing....
It might wane - if he is a good boy for five years.
It clearly wasn't quite as big as factor on the day though. But yes I don't doubt it is an issue. Your comment is very similar to what a friend of mine said to me. The non-answer about how many kids really pissed her off, because it reminded her of her ex-husband inability to man up and do the right thing and provide for their child.
It's fine. You guys like the Northern Irish can be safely ignored for the next few years. You have devolution just go about minding your own business and we can mind ours.
Maybe next generation there'll be a hung Parliament or Lab victory where your MPs matter.
It's fine. You guys like the Northern Irish can be safely ignored for the next few years. You have devolution just go about minding your own business and we can mind ours.
Maybe next generation there'll be a hung Parliament or Lab victory where your MPs matter.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
If the advisors and other key background people remain the same, you get the same policies and the same control over the party. Is there any evidence that she has ever had or uttered any independent thought? Until we see evidence otherwise, it is safe to assume that with her you will get continuity Corbynism.
I expect the term 'Corbynist' to be widely used by the tories over the next 5 years. The tories have never had a good bogeyman to refer back to, Blair being mainly a nemesis of the left.
I wonder if the Tories will keep on the services of the folk from down under. They seem to be very effective at working out the correct messaging.
Effective messaging. Correct implies legal, decent, honest and truthful and there have already been doubts raised about that.
I don't know. New Labour were the masters of it and it served them well for 3 terms.
Is there any evidence that RLB is or is not a Marxist? Or indeed whether she is on record as supporting our enemies?
Evidence? I don't recall seeing any evidence but we know the Corbyn cohort think highly of her and are, everso gently, promoting her, so I suspect that is a fair indication, if not of Marxism then something to the wide left of central.
Google says she is a practising Catholic, which might temper any hard leftwingery. Other than that she is rather opaque. A bit Green, a bit right-on...
I get that "taking her whip from Rome", to paraphrase the other prominent Catholic in the Commons, might push her rightwards on social issues (although I bet it doesn't), but does it say much about her economic positions? As far as I can tell, she's Continuity McDonnell in that arena.
I'm just guessing. A glimpse at her voting record gives little away. She comes across as mainstream left, not hard left, so I am not yet sure why Corbs and McD are so keen on her
If the advisors and other key background people remain the same, you get the same policies and the same control over the party. Is there any evidence that she has ever had or uttered any independent thought? Until we see evidence otherwise, it is safe to assume that with her you will get continuity Corbynism.
I expect the term 'Corbynist' to be widely used by the tories over the next 5 years. The tories have never had a good bogeyman to refer back to, Blair being mainly a nemesis of the left.
I wonder if the Tories will keep on the services of the folk from down under. They seem to be very effective at working out the correct messaging.
Don't think they'll need it. I cannot see Labour electing a leader untainted by Corbyn.
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https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1205019547272654848?s=20
The nation states in the EU now have a very clear choice if you want >>>
Britain forcing its key demands on the EU27 has a 0% success rate since 2016.
https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1206629077861519361?s=20
https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1206831392258232320
Remember the Withdrawal Agreement that was sealed and impossible to change until Johnson got it changed?
Remember how a unilateral exit from any backstop was impossible as then there would be no backstop, but then Johnson got the backstop dropped and a unilateral Stormont exit from Stormont's special arrangements?
I think it'll be Long Bailey vs Starmer with Long Bailey winning.
Rushanara Ali
Shabana Mahmood
Thangam Debbonaire
Ed Miliband
Helen Hayes
James Murray
Maria Eagle
Matthew Pennycook
Meg Hillier
Keir Starmer
Bridget Phillipson
Rachel Reeves
Ellie Reeves
Lucy Powell
Yvette Cooper
Anneliese Dodds
Angela Eagle
John Spellar
Stephen Doughty
Kevin Brennan
Nia Griffith
Chris Bryant
Geraint Davies
Nick Thomas-Symonds
There might be others, but they don't mention it on their Wiki pages..
Not as clear cut for RLB as some might have imagined. Perhaps the reason for the pact with Rayner?
5.7% for Diane Abbott. Ahead of Cooper, Nandy and Thornberry. Amazing.
This sort of tokenism is absurd. If she or another candidate should be leader it should be because they are the best candidate, not have the right sort of genitalia. If Ed Davey is the best candidate he shouldn't be ruled out because he has the wrong sort of genitalia.
I somewhat suspect Swinson beat Davey last time because of the members aversion to anyone with a Y-chromosome being leader. But I also suspect Davey wouldn't have lost his seat at the election and wouldn't have led the Lib Dems to the net loss of MPs at the election. Maybe Swinson herself would still be an MP if Davey had won!
Labour lost in all income brackets. Lost horribly with households earning 20k-40k.
https://twitter.com/p_surridge/status/1206887621437403136?s=20
https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1206896958499164161?s=20
Or is my withered brain missing something obvious?
'Yes Master Divvie, but what are the others?'
'Er...'
A 5 point lead for Lab in men in 25-49 is not very much. Not when compared to a 26% lead for Tories in 50-64 or a 49% lead in 65+
A 13% lead for Lab in women 25-49 is better, but still pretty poor when compared to a 22% lead for Tories in 50-64 or a 48% lead in 65+
Basically Lab got tiny leads amongst the young which is quite poor for them and Tories got stonkingly massive leads amongst the middle aged and elderly.
Maybe next generation there'll be a hung Parliament or Lab victory where your MPs matter.
There was a period from the mid 80s to the early 2000s when it looked like Russia was going in the right direction; opening up, becoming more democratic, and no longer agressively opposed to the West. So if you went on RT to talk about say economics in the 90s, that would be entirely different from going on there today and talking about something like Russia's claim to Crimea.
1. Fear/dislike of Corbyn’s Labour.
2. Wanting to get Brexit over with.
What happens at the next election will depend on how much 1 is still a factor and on how 2 has been implemented and whether it has harmed the economy or those parts of it on whose votes the Tories will depend.
Labour currently looks as if it intends being helpful to the Tories re 1.
On 2 the Tories are hoping that bunging money at their new voters will see them through. They are less clear on (a) how Brexit and these supposed new FTAs will help (@HYUFD made a fool of himself on the previous thread re US FTAs and financial services) and (b) if not, where the money to pay for all these goodies will come from.
Incidentally, I do hope that the government is successful in doing something positive for areas of the country which have been neglected. It is long overdue. It will be fascinating to watch. But it is not going to stop me asking questions about what they are up to and whether they will keep their promises.
And if PB Tories don’t like it, too bad. We don’t live in a one party state and no-one is or should think themselves beyond challenge.
It might wane - if he is a good boy for five years.
https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1206883171335360513?s=20
I must say Tories taking a dump on Scotland seems more familiar.
But in a reciprocal sense of fairness if the answers to your questions are better from the Tories than other sources then I would hope you reward them with your vote next time.
Nevertheless you are right, it was an effective 4th term strategy. Unprecedented.
If the Scots get ignored until there's a hung parliament then vote for independence under a Labour PM then that is probably my dream scenario.
Con 47.2%
Lab 34.0%
LD 12.4%
Grn 3.0%
BRX 2.0%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results/england