It's quite possible to simultaneously believe Corbyn was the worst possible leader of the Labour party and also better than Boris Johnson (this is my position). This is one of those superficially plausible comments that falls apart under even modest scrutiny, in other words standard fare from Dan Hodges.
Not really. He's utterly incompetent, is surrounded if not controlled by some extremely dodgy figures, has dragged the Labour Party into a moral sewer, and was putting forward a manifesto that was utterly risible in every respect. It's all very well quibbling about the relative awfulness of Boris and Corbyn, but it was Corbyn that they were proposing to put into No 10, and they need to defend their offering.
In other words, it's fine for voters to choose the lesser of two evils - they have no choice. But MPs do; they didn't have to stay in the party.
Is Barnesian not here tonight? I hope he's not too depressed, I argued against his model but I know he worked hard on it so kudos for that.
Hopefully Correct Horse Battery is OK!
Yeah. He was disappointed but philosophical when he went to bed some time ago.
Good to hear.
There are some very devastated Corbynites on my Facebook feed tonight.
I never predicted the size or scale of the likely Con victory, but I'm genuinely surprised by how many of t(ere expecting to wake up to JC as PM tomorrow.
His big mistake 3was declaring war on social democrats and the centre-left.
Ah yes, by filling his shadow cabinet with them. Where they had much greater leeway than ever under the micromanager Blair. Which they then resigned from en masse to force him out after less than a year.
Clearly Corbyn was a tremendous success in your eyes.
(Sorry if I flagged this off topic, fat fingers on phone not sure I undid it).
Obvs not. But compared to any other option who stood for the leadership in 2015 or 2016 he was by far the most interesting, and he enthused a lot of people about a party that just felt pointless after 2015. Burnham and Cooper trying to win by neing toughest on immigrants/welfare claimants was such a pointless prospect, and I doubt either would have improved much on Miliband or handled Brexit any better (which is they key point).
I'm sorry whoever is President of the liberal democrats should hang their head in shame that they've allowed NIGEL FARAGE to stand down candidates to improve tory chances and liberal democrats have HELPED boris johnson win seats he shouldn't be winning.
THe liberal democrats CHOSE to have an election yet they did everything in their power to get conservatives elected. They were asked REPEATEDLY STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN...they refused. what happens...the tories win seats they shouldnt be winning.
the liberal democrats need to join the tory party and disband. Their existence gave us david cameron, gave us a distrust in politicians and gave us Brexit. Jo Swinson has screwed over millions of people for her own vanity.
Can you list the seat where LAB would have backed down where the LDs had a better chance? The total is zero. So stop this stupid ranting.
I'm sorry whoever is President of the liberal democrats should hang their head in shame that they've allowed NIGEL FARAGE to stand down candidates to improve tory chances and liberal democrats have HELPED boris johnson win seats he shouldn't be winning.
THe liberal democrats CHOSE to have an election yet they did everything in their power to get conservatives elected. They were asked REPEATEDLY STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN...they refused. what happens...the tories win seats they shouldnt be winning.
the liberal democrats need to join the tory party and disband. Their existence gave us david cameron, gave us a distrust in politicians and gave us Brexit. Jo Swinson has screwed over millions of people for her own vanity.
Piss off. We need a serious opposition and a choice in this country and Labour have opted out.
Jess Phillips would be a terrible choice as leader, thinks she’s the centre of the story
Agreed. I would not wish to be derogatory about a lady but I'm afraid pouty shouty Jess is no nearer to PM material than I am.
Jess is great, and loved by many. But it's probably correct to say she's not party-leader material. A bit like Corbyn wasn't, although they don't have many other similarities.
What I don't understand is why she's loved by many. What has she actually accomplished, beyond having a Brummie accent and resolving local MP issues over benefits, housing and planning disputes?
What else is she supposed to have accomplished? Were you expecting her to offer you sexual favours?
I'm sorry whoever is President of the liberal democrats should hang their head in shame that they've allowed NIGEL FARAGE to stand down candidates to improve tory chances and liberal democrats have HELPED boris johnson win seats he shouldn't be winning.
THe liberal democrats CHOSE to have an election yet they did everything in their power to get conservatives elected. They were asked REPEATEDLY STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN...they refused. what happens...the tories win seats they shouldnt be winning.
the liberal democrats need to join the tory party and disband. Their existence gave us david cameron, gave us a distrust in politicians and gave us Brexit. Jo Swinson has screwed over millions of people for her own vanity.
Do you genuinely think that if you post here long enough insisting on LD disbandment, it'll actually happen?
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Bivalve! Love it.
In other words, it's fine for voters to choose the lesser of two evils - they have no choice. But MPs do; they didn't have to stay in the party.
I know Hartlepool and Canterbury have been missed, think there is one other so far too?
Obvs not. But compared to any other option who stood for the leadership in 2015 or 2016 he was by far the most interesting, and he enthused a lot of people about a party that just felt pointless after 2015. Burnham and Cooper trying to win by neing toughest on immigrants/welfare claimants was such a pointless prospect, and I doubt either would have improved much on Miliband or handled Brexit any better (which is they key point).
Belfast West : Gerry Carroll's Will Increase his vote by a couple of thousand. SF will win with a reduced margin.
It is depressing that he is an MP.
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https://twitter.com/Smicht/status/1205314894318448643?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000618
Labour held on to second place
SNP HOLD
Maj 7,555
Well done Labour you absolute bellends.
But who is going to be Labour’s new Kinnock? And will the unions back him or her?