Tonight is all about Labour. Honestly, I am delighted to watch it lose so massively. The scale of the defeat is such that even the self-indulgent membership may realise that feelgood Corbynism is not the way to win. I reckon it’s a 30% shot.
I genuinely hope the sensible folk like yourself can get back in control of the Labour Party.
Watching Eddie Spheroids on ITV, I am sitting here thinking, FFS, why is he on some s##t dancing programme while we have Boris, Jezza and Jo.
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism.
As I argued in 2017, the people driving Corbynism are the children of the well-off middle classes. University educated but saddled in debt, living in "nice" places like Putney but renting four to a house with no hope of ever getting on the property ladder.
Corbynism was always a middle class youth rebellion about living standards not being equal to their parents.
I find them nauseating, their sense of entitlement. People don't automatically have a right to the same standard of living as previous generations.
(Hoho...timing posted this as the previous thread closed) What a night to leave my first message. I do solemnly swear to keep my comments focused on analysing what happened...and discourse on what might happen next. To not argue the toss about policies or values. Disillusioned Lab member. A half way competent leader who wasn’t clearly morally compromised would have meant I believe to at least being largest party. I think’normality’ has returned tonight. If your leader has catastrophic personal ratings, if your party is not trusted on the economy, if voters think your opponents are better on tne NHS, then those big poll leads....yeah they are very probably right
Is Barnesian not here tonight? I hope he's not too depressed, I argued against his model but I know he worked hard on it so kudos for that.
Hopefully Correct Horse Battery is OK!
Yeah. He was disappointed but philosophical when he went to bed some time ago.
Good to hear.
There are some very devastated Corbynites on my Facebook feed tonight.
I never predicted the size or scale of the likely Con victory, but I'm genuinely surprised by how many of them were expecting to wake up to JC as PM tomorrow.
His big mistake was declaring war on social democrats and the centre-left.
Ah yes, by filling his shadow cabinet with them. Where they had much greater leeway than ever under the micromanager Blair. Which they then resigned from en masse to force him out after less than a year.
(Hoho...timing posted this as the previous thread closed) What a night to leave my first message. I do solemnly swear to keep my comments focused on analysing what happened...and discourse on what might happen next. To not argue the toss about policies or values. Disillusioned Lab member. A half way competent leader who wasn’t clearly morally compromised would have meant I believe to at least being largest party. I think’normality’ has returned tonight. If your leader has catastrophic personal ratings, if your party is not trusted on the economy, if voters think your opponents are better on tne NHS, then those big poll leads....yeah they are very probably right
Is Barnesian not here tonight? I hope he's not too depressed, I argued against his model but I know he worked hard on it so kudos for that.
Hopefully Correct Horse Battery is OK!
Yeah. He was disappointed but philosophical when he went to bed some time ago.
Good to hear.
There are some very devastated Corbynites on my Facebook feed tonight.
I never predicted the size or scale of the likely Con victory, but I'm genuinely surprised by how many of them were expecting to wake up to JC as PM tomorrow.
His big mistake was declaring war on social democrats and the centre-left.
Ah yes, by filling his shadow cabinet with them. Where they had much greater leeway than ever under the micromanager Blair. Which they then resigned from en masse to force him out after less than a year.
Clearly Corbyn was a tremendous success in your eyes.
When the dust has settled, we ought to do a debunking post-mortem of reports such as turnout up, the youthquake, and leaders visiting Labour target seats.
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism.
As I argued in 2017, the people driving Corbynism are the children of the well-off middle classes. University educated but saddled in debt, living in "nice" places like Putney but renting four to a house with no hope of ever getting on the property ladder.
Corbynism was always a middle class youth rebellion about living standards not being equal to their parents.
To an extent, though I'd say university educated and paid too little to get what previous generations took for granted in an alienating office job is no less working class than a plumber doing well for himself etc. It's easy to overemphasise cultural factors (an avocado costs pennies in the Tesco discount pile...) and forget the real practical facts of daily life. We shouldn't haveva view of class that's frozen since the interwar period...
But always able to go back to mummy and daddy. It is easy to be that kind of rebel. I feel a song coming on.
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism.
As I argued in 2017, the people driving Corbynism are the children of the well-off middle classes. University educated but saddled in debt, living in "nice" places like Putney but renting four to a house with no hope of ever getting on the property ladder.
Corbynism was always a middle class youth rebellion about living standards not being equal to their parents.
I find them nauseating, their sense of entitlement. People don't automatically have a right to the same standard of living as previous generations.
Stagnant incomes and lack of social opportunity in both communities fuel the Populism of both left and right. True in Putney as well as Leigh.
You can travel from the Welsh border to Llandudno without going through a labour constituency for the first time for as long as I can remember
Great, I'm glad things like that are important to you.
You do not understand just how much we have suffered under Wales labour for decades and this is a monumental moment in Welsh politics and long over due
Night all and thanks everyone - this has been my first GE on PB and the insight and good humour (mostly!) on all sides has made this election more interesting and enjoyable.
As for the results, as a sometime Lib Dem (not having voted for them since 2010, although I would do so in a seat where they had a chance) I'm used to losing If there was going to be a Con majority then a big one with Labour getting stuffed and hopefully changing direction was probably the best outcome.
it looks like the LD vote share may have increased across the board, and same with the greens? both seem to be doing well in vote share so far. not that it's much comfort.
I very much hope Boris will govern as a one nation tory. I remain somewhat optimistic that he will.
Labour really need to come to some sort of alliance with LDs and Greens, back PR, and pick a decent leader. However i'm sceptical it will.
This country desperately needs an independent press.
We cannot continue having a press that is totally batting for one side that will do whatever it takes to get one side elected.
Oh, you exaggerate. The Guardian is influential, certainly, but not that powerful.
The press has made sexism, racism and xenophobia acceptable.
Fox News makes millions of dollars diving people but their is resistance. This country has no resistance. Our entire economic system is rigged for the haves.
Laura Kuennsburgs behaviour has been utterly disgraceful. The country is in a terrible state and its all David Camerons fault. The Tory Party destroyed communities in the 1980s for self-gain and have destroyed communities again in 2010s.
We live in a popularism era where facts DON'T matter. Boris Johnson has lied repeatedly with zero scrutiny.
The liberal democrats refusal to stand candidates down is costing seat by seat and ensuring we have Thaterites in westminster. We have absolute scumbags who care for themselves representing areas with 30% poverty. its utterly disgraceful
Jess Phillips would be a terrible choice as leader, thinks she’s the centre of the story
Agreed. I would not wish to be derogatory about a lady but I'm afraid pouty shouty Jess is no nearer to PM material than I am.
Jess is great, and loved by many. But it's probably correct to say she's not party-leader material. A bit like Corbyn wasn't, although they don't have many other similarities.
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https://twitter.com/duncan_morrow/status/1205308623116742657
Likely maj 60-70. Still happy
The ones who have clung on in the North will be desperate for a pro-Brexit position but London will be trying to keep Labour as a remain party
Watching Eddie Spheroids on ITV, I am sitting here thinking, FFS, why is he on some s##t dancing programme while we have Boris, Jezza and Jo.
But surely they could draw better borders in Scotland that will give them more than just 3 out of 59 seats with 25% of the vote ?
SNP 22,396
SLD 1,890
SCon 6,436
SLab 12,843
SNP HOLD
Big increase in majority from 2,000
Lab to SNP swing 8%
Disillusioned Lab member. A half way competent leader who wasn’t clearly morally compromised would have meant I believe to at least being largest party.
I think’normality’ has returned tonight. If your leader has catastrophic personal ratings, if your party is not trusted on the economy, if voters think your opponents are better on tne NHS, then those big poll leads....yeah they are very probably right
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000908
It's tactical voting.
I feel a song coming on.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1205308782861070337?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1205309911913115648?s=20
It’s all she does. Speak with warble in voice, look on verge of tears. It’s a schtick.
As for the results, as a sometime Lib Dem (not having voted for them since 2010, although I would do so in a seat where they had a chance) I'm used to losing
The SDP/Liberal Alliance got 22/650 seats (3.4%) on 25.4% of the vote in 1987.
PS Redrawing the boundaries for electoral gain is gerrymandering.
What a total fool.
I very much hope Boris will govern as a one nation tory. I remain somewhat optimistic that he will.
Labour really need to come to some sort of alliance with LDs and Greens, back PR, and pick a decent leader. However i'm sceptical it will.
Turnout up
Huge increase in Maj
It bounces around 5-6% now, a majority between 64-88.
Fox News makes millions of dollars diving people but their is resistance. This country has no resistance. Our entire economic system is rigged for the haves.
Laura Kuennsburgs behaviour has been utterly disgraceful. The country is in a terrible state and its all David Camerons fault. The Tory Party destroyed communities in the 1980s for self-gain and have destroyed communities again in 2010s.
We live in a popularism era where facts DON'T matter. Boris Johnson has lied repeatedly with zero scrutiny.
The liberal democrats refusal to stand candidates down is costing seat by seat and ensuring we have Thaterites in westminster. We have absolute scumbags who care for themselves representing areas with 30% poverty. its utterly disgraceful
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1205310930768343040
SNP 22,244
SCon 17,056
SLab 10,736
SLD 3,037
SNP HOLD
Was a 3-way marginal.
Tories has told BBC that they were going to win this one!
Sinn Fein Win West Tyrone, Alliance Polled Very Good.
Belfast South : Claire Hanna Will be elected around 3am.
Foyle : Colum Eastwood will be elected around 3.30am.