The one thing that Starmer will have going for him is that the labor leadership has not used him during this campaign and so he will not be as assocaited with its consequences as Long Bailey and Pidcock. Against that, he will not be the Momentum candidate and he is a bloke.
Starmer would be the best in that he'd bring the party together. But he's not going to bring the party to the centre again, he isn't a Blairite. Anyone thinking he's going to be very centrist hasn't read much of his past or views. He'll be somewhere between Ed and Corbyn.
I agree. Labour is not going back to Blairism. That's no bad thing. The challenges the country faces now are very different to the ones we faced in the 2lst century and we need new kinds of thinking. The solutions Corbynism proscribes are, of course, very much of the 1970s.
Starmer is the future as Pidcock, Rayner and Long Bailey will scare off all the moderate potential LAB voters everywhere!
Even though Starmer is entirely built on a golden spoon background and is a much use as a pink lemon.
Could be LAB maj 150 in 2024!
Starmer is a British Bill Shorten, better than Corbyn but a charisma bypass and no match for Boris. He would win a few more Tory Remainers and LDs to Labour but Leavers would stay Tory
That rather depends on what the Tories do with the next five years, I'd have thought.
Nope, culturally most Leavers will vote Tory over Labour now regardless
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die. My advice to the Tories - which I am sure will be ignored - is not to keep on fighting the referendum, but instead begin to engage with the 21st century and the challenges it presents.
We won't need to keep on fighting the Referendum. We'll be fighting Rejoin. If anybody can still be arsed to make the case....
I don't think we will, because of your final half of the sentence. Once we've left the government has years to tackle the important issues of society - for starters continue to ensure more people own their own home, tackle the thorny issue of student finances, try and make sure the younger generations can move on and be engaged within society and not feel like the Boomers have everything.
Can't see it being Starmer. He's wooden and not a favourite of the left wing membership. Not so long ago I would have said Thornberry as the best realistic option (someone like Yvette Cooper will have no chance) but she seems to have been unpersoned by the leadership these days. McDonnell himself would be a likely choice if the defeat was fairly small, beatable by the next election. That would leave Labour in a One More Heave mode which favours him. If its a bigger defeat, more chance one of Pidcock, Rayner or Long Bailey (the three clearly being prepped by Corbyn and McDonnell to take over) as it would be more about a new (still left wing) approach and so finally time to go with a woman.
Not doing so well in Scotland, needless to say. Falling behind mitteleuropa in maths and science. Be interesting to see how much coverage the stats get in the Scottish press given Nicola's pledge that it is her number one priority and the pride Scots take in education.
Don't think Southron posters appreciate how vulnerable SNP will be over 'elf and edukayshon in the run up to the 2021 SP elections.
Shame it doesn't count for a hill of turnips against the call for Yet Another Bloody Referendum in 2019 though....
From my limited knowledge of Labour, members I know in my area think the Labour left wing manifesto is great but just believe another more voter friendly left wing leader is the answer.
I'm a member and I agree with this. There is no need to lose the radical edge. Quite the opposite, it is vital it is retained. If this election is lost it will be because of Brexit and the persona of Jeremy Corbyn being too niche. Next election, those two things being out of the picture, is winnable on a left wing manifesto. It would be a great mistake to go back to the timid tinkering lack of ambition of pre 2015. That almost every committed Tory on here says that we should do this speaks for itself.
When labour lose it will because of ridiculous nationalization plans and retrograde return of power to trade unions. Without those policies the rest may have gained traction.
If they were scaled down to be plausibly affordable. Corbyn's other (non-economic) ideological fixations are a also turn-off to those who pay attention.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
I've been advocating Starmer as next leader for at least a couple of years.
My 2nd choice would be Jess Phillips.
I think Phillips would be a much better choice than Starmer. I really like Starmer in terms of his views and intellect but having met him I can confirm that he sadly has zero charisma. In today's media environment he would be a disaster as leader. Has Labour lost its E&W heartlands permanently? I doubt it. The Tories are no SNP. A lot of so-called traditional Labour voters have always been ferociously right wing on non-economic issues. I suspect that once Brexit recedes as an issue many of them will come back. Not at the levels they were before (bear in mind they started drifting away under Blair, who was seen as pandering to middle England, and the decline of traditional industries and trade unionism has loosened their attachment to the Labour movement). But I don't see how the Tories keep them onside permanently given their economic philosophy is basically to throw these people to the wolves, and they don't have such powerful wedge issues (like abortion or affirmative action) as in the US to keep getting the working class to vote against their own interests. FWIW I always thought Corbyn would bomb with many of these voters which is why I didn't want him as leader.
The one thing that Starmer will have going for him is that the labor leadership has not used him during this campaign and so he will not be as assocaited with its consequences as Long Bailey and Pidcock. Against that, he will not be the Momentum candidate and he is a bloke.
Starmer would be the best in that he'd bring the party together. But he's not going to bring the party to the centre again, he isn't a Blairite. Anyone thinking he's going to be very centrist hasn't read much of his past or views. He'll be somewhere between Ed and Corbyn.
I agree. Labour is not going back to Blairism. That's no bad thing. The challenges the country faces now are very different to the ones we faced in the 2lst century and we need new kinds of thinking. The solutions Corbynism proscribes are, of course, very much of the 1970s.
Surely you mean 1870s? Das Kapital was published 1867.
Further update on tactical voting (from the Guardian blog):
Almost a third of voters now say they will vote tactically in the election, according to polling carried out for the Electoral Reform Society (ERS), with the proportion rising rapidly.
The polling by BMG found 30% of people said they would be “voting for the best-positioned party/candidate to keep out another party/candidate that I dislike” on 12 December. This is up from 22% saying this at the start of the election campaign, and 24% in a parallel poll last week.
Only 51% of people said they would pick “the candidate/party I most prefer, regardless of how likely they are to win”.
This will help the Tories too if it means BXP voters swing behind them.
Starmer is the future as Pidcock, Rayner and Long Bailey will scare off all the moderate potential LAB voters everywhere!
Even though Starmer is entirely built on a golden spoon background and is a much use as a pink lemon.
Could be LAB maj 150 in 2024!
Starmer is a British Bill Shorten, better than Corbyn but a charisma bypass and no match for Boris. He would win a few more Tory Remainers and LDs to Labour but Leavers would stay Tory
That rather depends on what the Tories do with the next five years, I'd have thought.
Nope, culturally most Leavers will vote Tory over Labour now regardless
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die. My advice to the Tories - which I am sure will be ignored - is not to keep on fighting the referendum, but instead begin to engage with the 21st century and the challenges it presents.
But the remain voters will be five years older and some would have turned into leavers. In the 1975 referendum the electorate voted decisively for remain, the survivors from that were all over the age 59 by the time the 2016 referendum came around. But we know that this age group voted leave by a large majority.
Ok, dems and weird Republican husbands of crackpot Conway women are all about attacking trump and not disowning Obama's Nonce in Chief
A post was moderated yesterday for asking if the rumour that "Boris" was an alky was true.
@wooliedyed seems to aspire to be the Brexiteer version of Tom Watson.
Biden makes it easy with all the videos of him creeping on and sniffing the hair of little girls and declaring he loves children on his lap and how they would stroke the hair on his legs to straighten it and watch it curl up.
Can't see it being Starmer. He's wooden and not a favourite of the left wing membership. Not so long ago I would have said Thornberry as the best realistic option (someone like Yvette Cooper will have no chance) but she seems to have been unpersoned by the leadership these days. McDonnell himself would be a likely choice if the defeat was fairly small, beatable by the next election. That would leave Labour in a One More Heave mode which favours him. If its a bigger defeat, more chance one of Pidcock, Rayner or Long Bailey (the three clearly being prepped by Corbyn and McDonnell to take over) as it would be more about a new (still left wing) approach and so finally time to go with a woman.
He may be wooden, but not compared with L-B and Pidcock. And Burgon makes him look like Ken Dodd on speed.
If Labour don't win , would there be a backlash against leadership candidates from London ? They seem to have run a national campaign, not least the Brexit policy, focused on competing with London LibDems, rather than Tories in the North and MIdlands. The commuter fares policy likewise. The election should be winnable, but after watching that channel 4 focus group from Birmingham, if I was a Northern/Midlands Labour candidate I'd be livid with Islington Labour.
Take a look at Finchley and Golders Green. Some money today on Labour with a couple of bookies - down to 4/1. That fact, and after looking at past GE results, makes me think that the 16/1 (Bet365) on Labour is too big. I`ve had a small bet.
Ok, dems and weird Republican husbands of crackpot Conway women are all about attacking trump and not disowning Obama's Nonce in Chief
If we are talking about The Man Who Did Not Kill Himself, hasn't he been photographed with Trump several times? Obama hasn't been in office for approx three years.
Take a look at Finchley and Golders Green. Some money today on Labour with a couple of bookies - down to 4/1. That fact, and after looking at past GE results, makes me think that the 16/1 (Bet365) on Labour is too big. I`ve had a small bet.
Bizarre. Given the constituency polls and the general level of antipathy to Labour in London and the south (especially that part of London) I would want 50-1 to risk money. The bookies must be delighted.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
I am merely expaining why it is not a great idea for the Tories to rely on Leave voters to deliver majorities from here on in.
Take a look at Finchley and Golders Green. Some money today on Labour with a couple of bookies - down to 4/1. That fact, and after looking at past GE results, makes me think that the 16/1 (Bet365) on Labour is too big. I`ve had a small bet.
Bizarre. Given the constituency polls and the general level of antipathy to Labour in London and the south (especially that part of London) I would want 50-1 to risk money. The bookies must be delighted.
I wondered whether Hugh Grant is pissing off potential LD voters.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
He may be wooden, but not compared with L-B and Pidcock. And Burgon makes him look like Ken Dodd on speed.
C'mon, Pidcock is many things but certainly not wooden.
I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. The only Labour figures who seem to have a personality other than their party mask seem to be Thornberry and Phillips.
Starmer is the future as Pidcock, Rayner and Long Bailey will scare off all the moderate potential LAB voters everywhere!
Even though Starmer is entirely built on a golden spoon background and is a much use as a pink lemon.
Could be LAB maj 150 in 2024!
Starmer is a British Bill Shorten, better than Corbyn but a charisma bypass and no match for Boris. He would win a few more Tory Remainers and LDs to Labour but Leavers would stay Tory
That rather depends on what the Tories do with the next five years, I'd have thought.
Nope, culturally most Leavers will vote Tory over Labour now regardless
I love the , but instead begin to engage with the 21st century and the challenges it presents.
But the remain voters will be five years older and some would have turned into leavers. In the 1975 referendum the electorate voted decisively for remain, the survivors from that were all over the age 59 by the time the 2016 referendum came around. But we know that this age group voted leave by a large majority.
Starmer is the future as Pidcock, Rayner and Long Bailey will scare off all the moderate potential LAB voters everywhere!
Even though Starmer is entirely built on a golden spoon background and is a much use as a pink lemon.
Could be LAB maj 150 in 2024!
Starmer is a British Bill Shorten, better than Corbyn but a charisma bypass and no match for Boris. He would win a few more Tory Remainers and LDs to Labour but Leavers would stay Tory
That rather depends on what the Tories do with the next five years, I'd have thought.
Nope, culturally most Leavers will vote Tory over Labour now regardless
I l21st century and the challenges it presents.
But the remain voters will be five years older and some would have turned into leavers. In the 1975 referendum the electorate voted decisively for remain, the survivors from that were all over the age 59 by the time the 2016 referendum came around. But we know that this age group voted leave by a large majority.
We'll see. I do not think it is a good idea for the Tories to base their strategy for future elections on refighting the referendum. I doubt it will be good for them. It will definitely be very bad for the country as a whole.
Ok, dems and weird Republican husbands of crackpot Conway women are all about attacking trump and not disowning Obama's Nonce in Chief
A post was moderated yesterday for asking if the rumour that "Boris" was an alky was true.
As should this one be. MODS!!!!
Why? We are all freely discussing Andrew in this respect, the rumours about Biden are out there too and his behaviour around children in videos widely on the net is decidedly creepy. And yesterday we had the video about loving children on his lap. Its hardly a new accusation.
However if moderators feel its inappropriate then by all means delete it all.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
No. Elements of what you say might be true for a minority, but homelessness has indisputably risen since 2010, as anyone who works in London will have seen. That it has risen like that should be a stain on the conscience of all Tories and Liberals, and as a nation we should do what it takes to help them.
SNP drifting in Aberdeen South. At the start of the campaign Con Hold was 2/1. Now EVS. The sacking of the pest Ross Thomson ex-MP was a wise move. Best prices: SNP 10/11 SCon EVS SLD 100/1 SLab 100/1
Ok, dems and weird Republican husbands of crackpot Conway women are all about attacking trump and not disowning Obama's Nonce in Chief
A post was moderated yesterday for asking if the rumour that "Boris" was an alky was true.
As should this one be. MODS!!!!
Why? We are all freely discussing Andrew in this respect, the rumours about Biden are out there too and his behaviour around children in videos widely on the net is decidedly creepy. And yesterday we had the video about loving children on his lap. Its hardly a new accusation.
However if moderators feel its inappropriate then by all means delete it all.
I think MarqueeMark may have been referring to kinabalu`s cheeky insertion? If you`ll pardon the expression.
SNP drifting in Aberdeen South. At the start of the campaign Con Hold was 2/1. Now EVS. The sacking of the pest Ross Thomson ex-MP was a wise move. Best prices: SNP 10/11 SCon EVS SLD 100/1 SLab 100/1
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
Migration won't be reduced though, as it is needed because of the ageing society (the great irony is that all these old people who hate immigrants are the reason we need immigrants). We'll just get fewer of them from the EU, which is fine with me incidentally. (Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
Ok, dems and weird Republican husbands of crackpot Conway women are all about attacking trump and not disowning Obama's Nonce in Chief
A post was moderated yesterday for asking if the rumour that "Boris" was an alky was true.
As should this one be. MODS!!!!
Why? We are all freely discussing Andrew in this respect, the rumours about Biden are out there too and his behaviour around children in videos widely on the net is decidedly creepy. And yesterday we had the video about loving children on his lap. Its hardly a new accusation.
However if moderators feel its inappropriate then by all means delete it all.
I think MarqueeMark may have been referring to kinabalu`s cheeky insertion? If you`ll pardon the expression.
SNP drifting in Aberdeen South. At the start of the campaign Con Hold was 2/1. Now EVS. The sacking of the pest Ross Thomson ex-MP was a wise move. Best prices: SNP 10/11 SCon EVS SLD 100/1 SLab 100/1
I got 6/4. I may have a bit more at Evens.
Why? Do you have local knowledge? I’d be extremely wary due to large residual SLab numbers.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
I am merely expaining why it is not a great idea for the Tories to rely on Leave voters to deliver majorities from here on in.
IF - and it's a big IF - Brexit is done, then as an issue it will quickly fade. There will be a Rejoin faction, but I don't see it driving our politics for quite a while. The urge to forget about it will be too strong.
The big EU issue after Brexit will be join EEA/EFTA or not
Biden makes it easy with all the videos of him creeping on and sniffing the hair of little girls and declaring he loves children on his lap and how they would stroke the hair on his legs to straighten it and watch it curl up.
Mmm. But in the course of my monitoring of you I have noticed that you are more likely than most to comment on such matters.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
No. Elements of what you say might be true for a minority, but homelessness has indisputably risen since 2010, as anyone who works in London will have seen. That it has risen like that should be a stain on the conscience of all Tories and Liberals, and as a nation we should do what it takes to help them.
I don't see the evidence as you do. I have lived in London all my life, and the tricks are more than ever before.
Homelessness may have risen, but there are few plausible factors driving that rise. For people in the UK the safety net has never been higher - Tory government or otherwise.
Biden makes it easy with all the videos of him creeping on and sniffing the hair of little girls and declaring he loves children on his lap and how they would stroke the hair on his legs to straighten it and watch it curl up.
Mmm. But in the course of my monitoring of you I have noticed that you are more likely than most to comment on such matters.
Creepy. I am very keen to see the rot at the heart of the establishment removed. I suspect many more will be keen to join that Q
Any vote for LAB LD SNP GRN and PC is a vote for a hard left CORBYNISTA government. Don't do it!
You're on the wrong site. We respond better on here if there's at least an attempt at logical argument.
Fuck off. Ave It is a great PB institution.
How would you know, you've only been around since May.
I lurked during my peak modelling years. As I've told you many times.
I'm not entirely convinced that you could keep your gob shut for years, regardless of the gruelling schedule of underpant wearing.
I don't think anyone believes the underpant modelling story anymore.
It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Why does it bleedin' matter? I fail to understand why any of you give a single tiny cosmonautical fuck who I really am. It's not like we're in a boring period of politics where there's nowt else to discuss!
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
I'm afraid in some places it is clearly a racket with collectors going round picking up the takings. Sad but true.
Any vote for LAB LD SNP GRN and PC is a vote for a hard left CORBYNISTA government. Don't do it!
You're on the wrong site. We respond better on here if there's at least an attempt at logical argument.
Fuck off. Ave It is a great PB institution.
How would you know, you've only been around since May.
I lurked during my peak modelling years. As I've told you many times.
I'm not entirely convinced that you could keep your gob shut for years, regardless of the gruelling schedule of underpant wearing.
I don't think anyone believes the underpant modelling story anymore.
It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Why does it bleedin' matter? I fail to understand why any of you give a single tiny cosmonautical fuck who I really am. It's not like we're in a boring period of politics where there's nowt else to discuss!
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
The best thing to do is to donate to a shelter charity.
I don’t know how they deal with the drug addicts and individuals with behavioural problems denied access to some of them though.
Those do tend to be the ones on the streets and the trouble is, whilst they are often hungry, cold and in need of food, they’ll get something very simple with the money and then spend the rest on their addiction.
SNP drifting in Aberdeen South. At the start of the campaign Con Hold was 2/1. Now EVS. The sacking of the pest Ross Thomson ex-MP was a wise move. Best prices: SNP 10/11 SCon EVS SLD 100/1 SLab 100/1
I got 6/4. I may have a bit more at Evens.
Why? Do you have local knowledge? I’d be extremely wary due to large residual SLab numbers.
I think Aberdeen South is the most vulnerable SCon seat in the NE even though it has a larger maj than some of the others and lacks the SNP-voting history of Moray and Banff & Buchan. Due to it being very middle-class and remainy and the likelihood of SLAB voters breaking SNP - not so many in other seats. Even so I think it will be an uphill struggle for SNP to actually take it. Better opportunities further South.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
I'm afraid in some places it is clearly a racket with collectors going round picking up the takings. Sad but true.
Absolutely. Read Ben Judah's THIS IS LONDON.
He lived in that mileu for a few months. And slept rough on occasion. Many if not most of the rough sleepers in central London are East European (often Roma).
Some are just sleeping rough to save all the money they can, others are involved in a racket as you describe, some have been swindled by traffickers.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
Migration won't be reduced though, as it is needed because of the ageing society (the great irony is that all these old people who hate immigrants are the reason we need immigrants). We'll just get fewer of them from the EU, which is fine with me incidentally. (Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
What people will notice is a significant swing to the Indian sub continent and the West Indies rather than Eastern Europeans I’m not sure where the builders and farm labours are coming from. Apparently the UK is going to build 100,000 houses, 40 hospitals, finish x rail start hs2 and Heathrow third runway it’s going to be interesting.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
The best thing to do is to donate to a shelter charity.
I don’t know how they deal with the drug addicts and individuals with behavioural problems denied access to some of them though.
Those do tend to be the ones on the streets and the trouble is, whilst they are often hungry, cold and in need of food, they’ll get something very simple with the money and then spend the rest on their addiction.
Why? We are all freely discussing Andrew in this respect, the rumours about Biden are out there too and his behaviour around children in videos widely on the net is decidedly creepy. And yesterday we had the video about loving children on his lap. Its hardly a new accusation. However if moderators feel its inappropriate then by all means delete it all.
Well I wasn't meaning that. It's more that I was surprised to see the "Boris with a drink problem?" post removed. It seemed relatively mild to me.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
Migration won't be reduced though, as it is needed because of the ageing society (the great irony is that all these old people who hate immigrants are the reason we need immigrants). We'll just get fewer of them from the EU, which is fine with me incidentally. (Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
What people will notice is a significant swing to the Indian sub continent and the West Indies rather than Eastern Europeans I’m not sure where the builders and farm labours are coming from. Apparently the UK is going to build 100,000 houses, 40 hospitals, finish x rail start hs2 and Heathrow third runway it’s going to be interesting.
No, what will happen is we will still get migration from Eastern Europe but it will be managed, and they won't have residency rights, or automatic rights to benefits.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have friends or family somewhere and might simply benefit from a bus ticket. Others will have mental health or addiction problems and need more intensive management, but we should do everything we can do help them. There will be a few for whom it’s just a way of life, and we should make sure they get sufficient food and have the opportunity to get off the streets if they want to take it.
I'd suggest that most of the rough sleepers that one encounters in central London are nothing of the kind. These people make a business out of appearing to be poor. Unfortunately they position themselves in front of the genuine rough sleepers. You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
I'm afraid in some places it is clearly a racket with collectors going round picking up the takings. Sad but true.
Absolutely. Read Ben Judah's THIS IS LONDON.
He lived in that mileu for a few months. And slept rough on occasion. Many if not most of the rough sleepers in central London are East European (often Roma).
Some are just sleeping rough to save all the money they can, others are involved in a racket as you describe, some have been swindled by traffickers.
Very sad.
We had exactly this conversation last Christmas, and this was incorrect as an over-simplification of a vastly complex situation then too.
There are unquestionably large numbers of new native-born rough sleepers in London over the last few years, and a combination of mental health services changes, addiction, ex-servicemen, and UC and welfare sanction changes are very likely to be the cause.
SNP drifting in Aberdeen South. At the start of the campaign Con Hold was 2/1. Now EVS. The sacking of the pest Ross Thomson ex-MP was a wise move. Best prices: SNP 10/11 SCon EVS SLD 100/1 SLab 100/1
I got 6/4. I may have a bit more at Evens.
Why? Do you have local knowledge? I’d be extremely wary due to large residual SLab numbers.
I think Aberdeen South is the most vulnerable SCon seat in the NE even though it has a larger maj than some of the others and lacks the SNP-voting history of Moray and Banff & Buchan. Due to it being very middle-class and remainy and the likelihood of SLAB voters breaking SNP - not so many in other seats. Even so I think it will be an uphill struggle for SNP to actually take it. Better opportunities further South.
Why? We are all freely discussing Andrew in this respect, the rumours about Biden are out there too and his behaviour around children in videos widely on the net is decidedly creepy. And yesterday we had the video about loving children on his lap. Its hardly a new accusation. However if moderators feel its inappropriate then by all means delete it all.
Well I wasn't meaning that. It's more that I was surprised to see the "Boris with a drink problem?" post removed. It seemed relatively mild to me.
The correct euphemism is 'Churchillian" which I doubt Johnson would seek to deny.
Not doing so well in Scotland, needless to say. Falling behind mitteleuropa in maths and science. Be interesting to see how much coverage the stats get in the Scottish press given Nicola's pledge that it is her number one priority and the pride Scots take in education.
Don't think Southron posters appreciate how vulnerable SNP will be over 'elf and edukayshon in the run up to the 2021 SP elections.
Shame it doesn't count for a hill of turnips against the call for Yet Another Bloody Referendum in 2019 though....
Maybe. But by 2021 SNP will have been in for 15 years. People are already groaning about IndyRef. May see them through 12 Dec but not so sure afterwards. And then, of course, will Nicola still be around? No obvious successor at Holyrood at all.
Any vote for LAB LD SNP GRN and PC is a vote for a hard left CORBYNISTA government. Don't do it!
You're on the wrong site. We respond better on here if there's at least an attempt at logical argument.
Fuck off. Ave It is a great PB institution.
How would you know, you've only been around since May.
I lurked during my peak modelling years. As I've told you many times.
I'm not entirely convinced that you could keep your gob shut for years, regardless of the gruelling schedule of underpant wearing.
I don't think anyone believes the underpant modelling story anymore.
It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Why does it bleedin' matter? I fail to understand why any of you give a single tiny cosmonautical fuck who I really am. It's not like we're in a boring period of politics where there's nowt else to discuss!
Move on, fanbois. Move on.
It matters because this is a discussion site and you are posting stuff here that is quite obviously untrue. If you want to stay anonymous just make political comment and don’t say anything about your life.
From my limited knowledge of Labour, members I know in my area think the Labour left wing manifesto is great but just believe another more voter friendly left wing leader is the answer. They revile any links to Tony Blair. I would not put any money on Keir Starmer and still think Rebecca Long-Bailey the most likely.
If true, a gift to the LDs after a heavy Labour defeat
Unfortunately it isn't looking that way. At best a slim Tory majority and Labour will be convinced with Brexit uncertainty ahead and most like a global recession that it will just require one more heave in a few years time.
And....I think the way the wind appears to be blowing, the Lib Dem taking a left-centre social and a centre / centre-right economic party is going to struggle.
Labour is heading for its worst defeat since Foot 1983, thanks to losses of scores of seats North of Watford.
Then Labour recovered by taking on Militant under Kinnock then New Labour under Blair, had it not the SDP could have overtaken it being just 2% behind in 1983.
If the LDs get a leader from Labour like Roy Jenkins was e.g. Umunna with no connection to the Coalition then Labour is doomed if it embraces Momentum further rather than taking it on
I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. The only Labour figures who seem to have a personality other than their party mask seem to be Thornberry and Phillips.
Yes, they both do. And Pidcock too IMO. Very much so. I know it's not a popular view but I sense a political star in the making.
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
Migration won't be reduced though, as it is needed because of the ageing society (the great irony is that all these old people who hate immigrants are the reason we need immigrants). We'll just get fewer of them from the EU, which is fine with me incidentally. (Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
What people will notice is a significant swing to the Indian sub continent and the West Indies rather than Eastern Europeans I’m not sure where the builders and farm labours are coming from. Apparently the UK is going to build 100,000 houses, 40 hospitals, finish x rail start hs2 and Heathrow third runway it’s going to be interesting.
No, what will happen is we will still get migration from Eastern Europe but it will be managed, and they won't have residency rights, or automatic rights to benefits.
Which is what the country desires.
So what makes you think they would want to come if it was not a long term prospect.
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
You mean Labour would be a complete disaster under her management?
Further update on tactical voting (from the Guardian blog):
Almost a third of voters now say they will vote tactically in the election, according to polling carried out for the Electoral Reform Society (ERS), with the proportion rising rapidly.
The polling by BMG found 30% of people said they would be “voting for the best-positioned party/candidate to keep out another party/candidate that I dislike” on 12 December. This is up from 22% saying this at the start of the election campaign, and 24% in a parallel poll last week.
Only 51% of people said they would pick “the candidate/party I most prefer, regardless of how likely they are to win”.
Good thing they have polling experts to help them make an informed decision
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have f if they want to take it.
I'd suggestence.
I'm afraid in some places it is clearly a racket with collectors going round picking up the takings. Sad but true.
Absolutely. Read Ben Judah's THIS IS LONDON.
He lived in that mileu for a few months. And slept rough on occasion. Many if not most of the rough sleepers in central London are East European (often Roma).
Some are just sleeping rough to save all the money they can, others are involved in a racket as you describe, some have been swindled by traffickers.
Very sad.
We had exactly this conversation last Christmas, and this was incorrect as an over-simplificaton of a vastly complex situation then too.
"UK nationals accounted for 49% of rough sleepers in the capital. Rough sleepers from central European countries, including Romania, Poland, Lithuania and Bulgaria accounted for 31% of the total."
"Romanian nationals have been identified as the fastest growing group of rough sleepers across Greater London and particularly within the City of Westminster. According to official data, at the end of March 2015, there were 1,388 Romanian rough sleepers. This represents 18.7% of all rough sleepers in Greater London, second only to UK nationals. The data also shows a sharp rise in the number and of percentage of Romanian rough sleepers thought to be of Roma ethnicity. "
"The count last year found that 64 per cent of UK rough sleepers were British, seven percentage points LESS than the year before, and 22 per cent were from other EU countries, UP by six points."
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
Shes at very high risk of losing her seat. The Kantar poll today for example would see her lose by a few %. I think shes a goner
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
Migration won't be reduced though, as it is needed because of the ageing society (the great irony is that all these old people who hate immigrants are the reason we need immigrants). We'll just get fewer of them from the EU, which is fine with me incidentally. (Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
What people will notice is a significant swing to the Indian sub continent and the West Indies rather than Eastern Europeans I’m not sure where the builders and farm labours are coming from. Apparently the UK is going to build 100,000 houses, 40 hospitals, finish x rail start hs2 and Heathrow third runway it’s going to be interesting.
No, what will happen is we will still get migration from Eastern Europe but it will be managed, and they won't have residency rights, or automatic rights to benefits.
Which is what the country desires.
So what makes you think they would want to come if it was not a long term prospect.
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
Is it just me or does Long Bailey look and sound like a refugee from a Wallace and Gromit movie? Sorry if that is ungallant but we have to be realistic in this forum. She is completely incredible as a potential PM.
Any vote for LAB LD SNP GRN and PC is a vote for a hard left CORBYNISTA government. Don't do it!
You're on the wrong site. We respond better on here if there's at least an attempt at logical argument.
Fuck off. Ave It is a great PB institution.
How would you know, you've only been around since May.
I lurked during my peak modelling years. As I've told you many times.
I'm not entirely convinced that you could keep your gob shut for years, regardless of the gruelling schedule of underpant wearing.
I don't think anyone believes the underpant modelling story anymore.
It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Why does it bleedin' matter? I fail to understand why any of you give a single tiny cosmonautical fuck who I really am. It's not like we're in a boring period of politics where there's nowt else to discuss!
Move on, fanbois. Move on.
It matters because this is a discussion site and you are posting stuff here that is quite obviously untrue. If you want to stay anonymous just make political comment and don’t say anything about your life.
Er, I'll do what the fuck I like. The mods run the site, not you. If they want to ban me, or whatever, that's up to them.
I love the smell of hubris in the morning. I am not wishing it on a single one of them, but it is a simple fact that over the next five years a lot of Leave voters are going to die...
It does not work like that. It is true that a lot of elderly people will die, but a lot more will age up to take their place. The population pyramid will continue to become more top heavy over the next decade or two, and if inward migration is reduced as a result of Brexit then that will exacerbate the situation, since immigrants are younger than the population. If Labour is pinning it's hopes on demography it has a rude awakening incoming.
Migration won't be reduced though, as it is needed because of the ageing society (the great irony is that all these old people who hate immigrants are the reason we need immigrants). We'll just get fewer of them from the EU, which is fine with me incidentally. (Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
What people will notice is a significant swing to the Indian sub continent and the West Indies rather than Eastern Europeans I’m not sure where the builders and farm labours are coming from. Apparently the UK is going to build 100,000 houses, 40 hospitals, finish x rail start hs2 and Heathrow third runway it’s going to be interesting.
No, what will happen is we will still get migration from Eastern Europe but it will be managed, and they won't have residency rights, or automatic rights to benefits.
Which is what the country desires.
So what makes you think they would want to come if it was not a long term prospect.
The anti-immigration brigade talk about Australian Points System when they really mean Gulf-State Slave system where you import the workers, make them work, give them no support and hurl them out when done with them.
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
Is it just me or does Long Bailey look and sound like a refugee from a Wallace and Gromit movie? Sorry if that is ungallant but we have to be realistic in this forum. She is completely incredible as a potential PM.
I'm a Manc, and her accent is grating to me. There are loads of great regional accents in the north, but she has developed a very exaggerated one.
I don't think anyone believes the underpant modelling story anymore. It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Why does it bleedin' matter? I fail to understand why any of you give a single tiny cosmonautical fuck who I really am. It's not like we're in a boring period of politics where there's nowt else to discuss!
Pseudonymous or not, I don't really care. But if someone spends several years arguing in a provocative and trenchant manner, they establish a voice on the site. Should they then repudiate every opinion they've ever expressed by dint of claiming to be someone else, then it should not come as a complete surprise to them that they get the piss taken. Purely hypothetically, of course.
Most of the new rough sleepers in Central London over the last two or three years are English people from outside London, as I've observed for a long time. This phenomenon is spreading outside central london to other parts of the capital now.
Can’t we speak to these people, and find out what we can do for them? Most of them will have f if they want to take it.
I'd suggestence.
I'm afraid in some places it is clearly a racket with collectors going round picking up the takings. Sad but true.
Absolutely. Read Ben Judah's THIS IS LONDON.
He lived in that mileu for a few months. And slept rough on occasion. Many if not most of the rough sleepers in central London are East European (often Roma).
Some are just sleeping rough to save all the money they can, others are involved in a racket as you describe, some have been swindled by traffickers.
Very sad.
We had exactly this conversation last Christmas, and this was incorrect as an over-simplificaton of a vastly complex situation then too.
"UK nationals accounted for 49% of rough sleepers in the capital. Rough sleepers from central European countries, including Romania, Poland, Lithuania and Bulgaria accounted for 31% of the total."
"Romanian nationals have been identified as the fastest growing group of rough sleepers across Greater London and particularly within the City of Westminster. According to official data, at the end of March 2015, there were 1,388 Romanian rough sleepers. This represents 18.7% of all rough sleepers in Greater London, second only to UK nationals. The data also shows a sharp rise in the number and of percentage of Romanian rough sleepers thought to be of Roma ethnicity. "
"The count last year found that 64 per cent of UK rough sleepers were British, seven percentage points LESS than the year before, and 22 per cent were from other EU countries, UP by six points."
Your pre-UC changes data seems to already show British-born rough sleepers in London at around half in 2015, even before most of the service cuts and welfare changes had taken effect. What people have noticed very specifically in the last three years is large numbers of new 'provincial' English homeless in the capital. I'd be very surprised if the actual current figure wasn't closer to 60%, 70% or more.
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
Shes at very high risk of losing her seat. The Kantar poll today for example would see her lose by a few %. I think shes a goner
Well if Pidcock does lose her seat, that's meltdown territoriy and I think we'd be looking at 2 election cycles to see another Labour PM. It will be a shame for her, I think she's good and will get better.
I think Aberdeen South is more vulnerable than Banff, the only Scottish seat to vote leave.
Read somewhere that Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross might have voted for leave. Ironic as it has a LibDem MP.
True according to Hanretty actually. Banff was the 'most leave' though. West Aberdeen Kincardine surprisingly remain too.
My "shock" result of the election is Con gain CSER. The Caithness section of the seat just looks so much like the sort of place that could dramatically switch to the Tories. However even I would be shocked if it happened!
Any vote for LAB LD SNP GRN and PC is a vote for a hard left CORBYNISTA government. Don't do it!
You're on the wrong site. We respond better on here if there's at least an attempt at logical argument.
Fuck off. Ave It is a great PB institution.
How would you know, you've only been around since May.
I lurked during my peak modelling years. As I've told you many times.
I'm not entirely convinced that you could keep your gob shut for years, regardless of the gruelling schedule of underpant wearing.
I don't think anyone believes the underpant modelling story anymore.
It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Why does it bleedin' matter? I fail to understand why any of you give a single tiny cosmonautical fuck who I really am. It's not like we're in a boring period of politics where there's nowt else to discuss!
Move on, fanbois. Move on.
It matters because this is a discussion site and you are posting stuff here that is quite obviously untrue. If you want to stay anonymous just make political comment and don’t say anything about your life.
Er, I'll do what the fuck I like. The mods run the site, not you. If they want to ban me, or whatever, that's up to them.
Fine, but then if you pretend to be someone you are not, or not to be someone that you are, stop complaining when PB’ers call you out. They’d do the same with any other PB’er who was rumbled spinning fantasies about themselves here.
Not doing so well in Scotland, needless to say. Falling behind mitteleuropa in maths and science. Be interesting to see how much coverage the stats get in the Scottish press given Nicola's pledge that it is her number one priority and the pride Scots take in education.
Don't think Southron posters appreciate how vulnerable SNP will be over 'elf and edukayshon in the run up to the 2021 SP elections.
Shame it doesn't count for a hill of turnips against the call for Yet Another Bloody Referendum in 2019 though....
Tory frothers getting agitated that SNP are ever more popular , who would have thought it. What a pair of sour pusses. Have a look at your lying cheating party, UK in the toilet , English NHS crap, tuition fees, food banks , homeless , I could go on for hours yet you idiots whine about a miniscule of a % drop in an average.
Tactical voting answer implies large true support for LDs, BXP and Greens. Vast, vast majority are voting Con or Lab. If Con or Lab is actually many people's 2nd choice, then their 1st choice must be LD, BXP or Green.
On topic, clearly Laura Pidcock should be the next Labour Leader. Apart from her socialist credentials and spunky personality, Laura has a masters degree in disaster management which might prove handy.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
Is it just me or does Long Bailey look and sound like a refugee from a Wallace and Gromit movie? Sorry if that is ungallant but we have to be realistic in this forum. She is completely incredible as a potential PM.
I'm a Manc, and her accent is grating to me. There are loads of great regional accents in the north, but she has developed a very exaggerated one.
Rebecca Long Vowels. I hate long vowels. Not sure how they go down generally.
Not doing so well in Scotland, needless to say. Falling behind mitteleuropa in maths and science. Be interesting to see how much coverage the stats get in the Scottish press given Nicola's pledge that it is her number one priority and the pride Scots take in education.
Don't think Southron posters appreciate how vulnerable SNP will be over 'elf and edukayshon in the run up to the 2021 SP elections.
Shame it doesn't count for a hill of turnips against the call for Yet Another Bloody Referendum in 2019 though....
Tory frothers getting agitated that SNP are ever more popular , who would have thought it. What a pair of sour pusses. Have a look at your lying cheating party, UK in the toilet , English NHS crap, tuition fees, food banks , homeless , I could go on for hours yet you idiots whine about a miniscule of a % drop in an average.
The anti-immigration brigade talk about Australian Points System when they really mean Gulf-State Slave system where you import the workers, make them work, give them no support and hurl them out when done with them.
I'm not sure that this new movement you're suggesting is a winner.
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Once we've left the government has years to tackle the important issues of society - for starters continue to ensure more people own their own home, tackle the thorny issue of student finances, try and make sure the younger generations can move on and be engaged within society and not feel like the Boomers have everything.
Has Labour lost its E&W heartlands permanently? I doubt it. The Tories are no SNP. A lot of so-called traditional Labour voters have always been ferociously right wing on non-economic issues. I suspect that once Brexit recedes as an issue many of them will come back. Not at the levels they were before (bear in mind they started drifting away under Blair, who was seen as pandering to middle England, and the decline of traditional industries and trade unionism has loosened their attachment to the Labour movement).
But I don't see how the Tories keep them onside permanently given their economic philosophy is basically to throw these people to the wolves, and they don't have such powerful wedge issues (like abortion or affirmative action) as in the US to keep getting the working class to vote against their own interests.
FWIW I always thought Corbyn would bomb with many of these voters which is why I didn't want him as leader.
In the 1975 referendum the electorate voted decisively for remain, the survivors from that were all over the age 59 by the time the 2016 referendum came around.
But we know that this age group voted leave by a large majority.
The election should be winnable, but after watching that channel 4 focus group from Birmingham, if I was a Northern/Midlands Labour candidate I'd be livid with Islington Labour.
Some money today on Labour with a couple of bookies - down to 4/1. That fact, and after looking at past GE results, makes me think that the 16/1 (Bet365) on Labour is too big.
I`ve had a small bet.
You can easily see this by giving beggars a large rather than a small amount. Genuine hard-luck cases when given 50 quid will go and get warm, or eat, or something. The others will just pocket it and move on to the next mug. The latter is my standard experience.
However if moderators feel its inappropriate then by all means delete it all.
Best prices:
SNP 10/11
SCon EVS
SLD 100/1
SLab 100/1
If you`ll pardon the expression.
It's less convincing than Robert Del Naja denying he is Banksy - at least Robert can blame other band members.
Yep. Him....)
(Of course you can manage without immigration if you really want to, but it is very hard. Even Japan has given up - their non-Japanese population has increased by about a million in the last five years).
Can't imagine Boris supporting Watford. Unless they have a Real Tennis team.
Do you have local knowledge?
I’d be extremely wary due to large residual SLab numbers.
The big EU issue after Brexit will be join EEA/EFTA or not
Homelessness may have risen, but there are few plausible factors driving that rise. For people in the UK the safety net has never been higher - Tory government or otherwise.
I am very keen to see the rot at the heart of the establishment removed. I suspect many more will be keen to join that Q
Move on, fanbois. Move on.
I don’t know how they deal with the drug addicts and individuals with behavioural problems denied access to some of them though.
Those do tend to be the ones on the streets and the trouble is, whilst they are often hungry, cold and in need of food, they’ll get something very simple with the money and then spend the rest on their addiction.
He lived in that mileu for a few months. And slept rough on occasion. Many if not most of the rough sleepers in central London are East European (often Roma).
Some are just sleeping rough to save all the money they can, others are involved in a racket as you describe, some have been swindled by traffickers.
Very sad.
(My charitable donations are mostly in Africa.)
Which is what the country desires.
There are unquestionably large numbers of new native-born rough sleepers in London over the last few years, and a combination of mental health services changes, addiction, ex-servicemen, and UC and welfare sanction changes are very likely to be the cause.
It clearly has to be a woman. Long Bailey is a charisma vacuum and Rayner, for all her many attributes and her great back story, isn't as intellectually capable as Pidcock or Long Bailey.
"Romanian nationals have been identified as the fastest growing group of rough sleepers across Greater London and particularly within the City of Westminster. According to official data, at the end of March 2015, there were 1,388 Romanian rough sleepers. This represents 18.7% of all rough sleepers in Greater London, second only to UK nationals. The data also shows a sharp rise in the number and of percentage of Romanian rough sleepers thought to be of Roma ethnicity. "
"The count last year found that 64 per cent of UK rough sleepers were British, seven percentage points LESS than the year before, and 22 per cent were from other EU countries, UP by six points."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rough-sleeping-in-capital-rises-13-8j7gvrz75
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/01/25/why-some-eastern-europeans-are-driven-to-sleep-rough/
But if someone spends several years arguing in a provocative and trenchant manner, they establish a voice on the site. Should they then repudiate every opinion they've ever expressed by dint of claiming to be someone else, then it should not come as a complete surprise to them that they get the piss taken.
Purely hypothetically, of course.
https://twitter.com/Ankaman616/status/1201868445022871552
Vast, vast majority are voting Con or Lab. If Con or Lab is actually many people's 2nd choice, then their 1st choice must be LD, BXP or Green.