Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know ... but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
You're rather irascible at the moment. It was a post made without commentary about likely weather conditions on the day, although I do love your remarkable assumption that I'm not a northerner
I don't think we've ever had a truly cold and snowy election. February 1974 was probably the closest but the rain which came in from the west didn't turn to sleet and snow across the Midlands and North until the following day.
December 12th, at the moment, looks bone-chilling with significant snowfall across parts of Scotland, the North-west and, later, Wales. The latest run also shows significant snowfall south of the M4 corridor on Election Day morning.
This may all change and most probably will. It's still 10 days out and that's a reasonable length of time meteorlogically. However, both main models are currently showing the same set up: The GFS based in America and the ECM European model.
I'm not sure how to quantify what might happen in such scenarios. Notwithstanding BGNW's comment, it's difficult to believe that it wouldn't have an impact on turnout, even if only because of transport disruption. A dark, cold, election isn't going to inspire everyone to leave their front doors. Those who haven't already cast their vote by post, that is.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
When you say "staggeringly cold " and "never gets above zero" - are you talking absolute zero?
How can we be having a general election? The tree is up, roaring fire, frosty outside, White Christmas on the telly. It's inhuman, I tell you.
Actually has it had any impact on the Christmas activities? I’ve not heard of anything?
My partner's had to apply for a postal vote as her work Christmas party's on the 12th.
15 hour Christmas party, your partner has stamina.
She lives in Kent but works in London - she sets off for the train at 7am and likely won't be back in the constituency until gone 10pm due to the work do.
A lot of commuters are gonna have to postal vote, this GE, I wager.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know ... but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
You're rather irascible at the moment. It was a post made without commentary about likely weather conditions on the day, although I do love your remarkable assumption that I'm not a northerner
I don't think we've ever had a truly cold and snowy election. February 1974 was probably the closest but the rain which came in from the west didn't turn to sleet and snow across the Midlands and North until the following day.
December 12th, at the moment, looks bone-chilling with significant snowfall across parts of Scotland, the North-west and, later, Wales. The latest run also shows significant snowfall south of the M4 corridor on Election Day morning.
This may all change and most probably will. It's still 10 days out and that's a reasonable length of time meteorlogically. However, both main models are currently showing the same set up: The GFS based in America and the ECM European model.
I'm not sure how to quantify what might happen in such scenarios. Notwithstanding BGNW's comment, it's difficult to believe that it wouldn't have an impact on turnout, even if only because of transport disruption. A dark, cold, election isn't going to inspire everyone to leave their front doors. Those who haven't already cast their vote by post, that is.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
When you say "staggeringly cold " and "never gets above zero" - are you talking absolute zero?
'Ice Day' which means maxima never getting above zero C. Factor in the significant windchill from the northerly and it would feel like -10C.
But it may not happen. These things usually don't!!!
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know ... but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
You're rather irascible at the moment. It was a post made without commentary about likely weather conditions on the day, although I do love your remarkable assumption that I'm not a northerner I don't think we've ever had a truly cold and snowy election. February 1974 was probably the closest but the rain which came in from the west didn't turn to sleet and snow across the Midlands and North until the following day. December 12th, at the moment, looks bone-chilling with significant snowfall across parts of Scotland, the North-west and, later, Wales. The latest run also shows significant snowfall south of the M4 corridor on Election Day morning. This may all change and most probably will. It's still 10 days out and that's a reasonable length of time meteorlogically. However, both main models are currently showing the same set up: The GFS based in America and the ECM European model. I'm not sure how to quantify what might happen in such scenarios. Notwithstanding BGNW's comment, it's difficult to believe that it wouldn't have an impact on turnout, even if only because of transport disruption. A dark, cold, election isn't going to inspire everyone to leave their front doors. Those who haven't already cast their vote by post, that is. We shall see!
I'm looking at the ECMWF model output on wetterzentrale.de and I'm not seeing what you're seeing. It's above -10C at 850hPa, which is equivalent to above 0C at most British altitudes during the day.. Do you have a link?
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know those of us who live in the north and Scotland are well versed in cold weather, ice days and snow. Living sub zero is a requirement for many of us from the north but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
According to the BBC weather forecast up here in Lancashire it won't go below 4 degrees all day; we call that a heatwave. And our posties are all still wearing shorts, thank you very much.
10 days out the BBC forecast just makes it up imo; more often wrong than right.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
It has been discussed earlier.
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
The real mystery of the OGH letters is why some idiot at LDHQ thought they should go out so early. Letters like that are already best arriving at the last minute, not two weeks before polling day. PV’ers are the only people who should be getting them now.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
Laval was not a Nazi.
Ask a Frenchman. Either way you’re surely not likening a man with family connections to the holocaust to a leader of Vichy France?
Some speculation on Twitter that Lab might be in difficulties in Easington, which seems unlikely.
Yeah, bizarre. That's landslide territory.
I think when I looked that this was Labour's safest seat in Co. Durham, or one of them. If Labour can't hold onto Easington then (a) they really are fucked and (b) memories of the miners' strike must have faded a lot more than I'd have thought.
Manny Shinwell's old seat. We are talking the heart of the heartlands.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
It has been discussed earlier.
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
every so often a post on here genuinely shocks me.
that most come from "I hope Tory MPs start dying so they lose the majority" justin is, well, reflects overwhelmingly on him, not on me. And not well
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know those of us who live in the north and Scotland are well versed in cold weather, ice days and snow. Living sub zero is a requirement for many of us from the north but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
It has been sub zero all weekend at mine! Was out and about as normal, Edinburgh was mobbed. You don't really need to start wrapping up warm until it hits minus five or below. Blokes in Scotland stop wearing shorts around minus 15.
Ladies in Newcastle start considering (and rejecting) tights at that temperature.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
It has been discussed earlier.
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
If he is so sensitive, he should not collude in helping the extreme Right. Many see Johnson as far more racist than Corbyn.. I object to receiving such unsolicited mail from the likes of him.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know those of us who live in the north and Scotland are well versed in cold weather, ice days and snow. Living sub zero is a requirement for many of us from the north but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
According to the BBC weather forecast up here in Lancashire it won't go below 4 degrees all day; we call that a heatwave. And our posties are all still wearing shorts, thank you very much.
10 days out the BBC forecast just makes it up imo; more often wrong than right.
Actually, it is a lot better than that. The week ahead is usually quite close.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
Election day looking cold in some parts of the country. Here in the Cotswolds the forecast's for light rain, gentle breeze and modestly chilly temps (max 6C, min 3C) .
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know ... but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
You're rather irascible at the moment. It was a post made without commentary about likely weather conditions on the day, although I do love your remarkable assumption that I'm not a northerner
I don't think we've ever had a truly cold and snowy election. February 1974 was probably the closest but the rain which came in from the west didn't turn to sleet and snow across the Midlands and North until the following day.
December 12th, at the moment, looks bone-chilling with significant snowfall across parts of Scotland, the North-west and, later, Wales. The latest run also shows significant snowfall south of the M4 corridor on Election Day morning.
This may all change and most probably will. It's still 10 days out and that's a reasonable length of time meteorlogically. However, both main models are currently showing the same set up: The GFS based in America and the ECM European model.
I'm not sure how to quantify what might happen in such scenarios. Notwithstanding BGNW's comment, it's difficult to believe that it wouldn't have an impact on turnout, even if only because of transport disruption. A dark, cold, election isn't going to inspire everyone to leave their front doors. Those who haven't already cast their vote by post, that is.
We shall see!
Nobody who is from the north and Scotland would see any point in your post as it is weather conditions we are well versed in. When I was young living in Berwick on Tweed the insides of the bedroom windows would have icicles on display in the winter, when I was on duty in Edinburgh city police in the early sixties the night shift was like Antarctica, and one december day when my soon to be wife and I travelled from Edinburgh to Forres, we had to get passengers to use their cigarette lighters to melt the ice on the inside of the carriage doors to get out in Aviemore, and then sat in the connecting train shivering in bone chilling cold
So suggesting an ice day or snow will effect the voting I would suggest can only be from someone who has little knowledge of us northerners
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
It has been discussed earlier.
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
If he is so sensitive, he should not collude in helping the extreme Right. Many see Johnson as far more racist than Corbyn.. I object to receiving such unsolicited mail from the likes of him.
One should never ever miss an opportunity to double down on one's own egregiousness.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
Ignore justin; he only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
Ignore justin; he only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases.
Fair enough. I now see that from the later post. No one is actually that crass.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
It has been discussed earlier.
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
If he is so sensitive, he should not collude in helping the extreme Right. Many see Johnson as far more racist than Corbyn.. I object to receiving such unsolicited mail from the likes of him.
You pontificate - or speculate - on elections yet you attitudinise about "unsolicited mail"
"unsolicited mail" is what elections are all about. If you don't like it, get yourself a different hobby. You're like a punter at the horse races whingeing about "poor race horses condemned to slavery"
Nobody who is from the north and Scotland would see any point in your post as it is weather conditions we are well versed in. When I was young living in Berwick on Tweed the insides of the bedroom windows would have icicles on display in the winter, when I was on duty in Edinburgh city police in the early sixties the night shift was like Antarctica, and one december day when my soon to be wife and I travelled from Edinburgh to Forres, we had to get passengers to use their cigarette lighters to melt the ice on the inside of the carriage doors to get out in Aviemore, and then sat in the connecting train shivering in bone chilling cold
So suggesting an ice day or snow will effect the voting I would suggest can only be from someone who has little knowledge of us northerners
Luxury! When I were travelling by train as a lad, we didn’t’ave windows. We used to make blocks of solid ice and plug gaps. Then, we wanted to get oot, Dad’ld use the heat from oor bodies t’melt ice and we would be thrown on t’tracks. (With apologies to the Four Yorkshiremen.)
The biggest swing to the Tories is in the North and Midlands, full of marginals, Boris is doing a Trump and sweeping the white working class
"Boris" sweeping the WWC like Trump. I fear you're right. In which case I wash my hands of them. Difficult - it's my roots - but I will. Stupid stupid bastards.
I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that if it is pelting down with snow all day this will keep some voters away from the polling station / polling place.
I have just sent a Tweet to Ian Austin letting him know what I think of his Mainstream letter. I wonder whether he will understand the Pierre Laval reference!
You’re surely not likening Ian Austin to a nazi? You do realise his background?
It has been discussed earlier.
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
If he is so sensitive, he should not collude in helping the extreme Right. Many see Johnson as far more racist than Corbyn.. I object to receiving such unsolicited mail from the likes of him.
You pontificate - or speculate - on elections yet you attitudinise about "unsolicited mail"
"unsolicited mail" is what elections are all about. If you don't like it, get yourself a different hobby. You're like a punter at the horse races whingeing about "poor race horses condemned to slavery"
But he is not a candidate in my constituency and I found his letter offensive. I have simply returned the compliment.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know those of us who live in the north and Scotland are well versed in cold weather, ice days and snow. Living sub zero is a requirement for many of us from the north but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
It has been sub zero all weekend at mine! Was out and about as normal, Edinburgh was mobbed. You don't really need to start wrapping up warm until it hits minus five or below. Blokes in Scotland stop wearing shorts around minus 15.
Ladies in Newcastle start considering (and rejecting) tights at that temperature.
Is there a temperature at which they consider wearing panties?
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know those of us who live in the north and Scotland are well versed in cold weather, ice days and snow. Living sub zero is a requirement for many of us from the north but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
According to the BBC weather forecast up here in Lancashire it won't go below 4 degrees all day; we call that a heatwave. And our posties are all still wearing shorts, thank you very much.
10 days out the BBC forecast just makes it up imo; more often wrong than right.
Actually, it is a lot better than that. The week ahead is usually quite close.
The week ahead ≠ 10 days out. The Met Office forecasts are generally better but they wisely do not provide detail beyond a week.
I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that if it is pelting down with snow all day this will keep some voters away from the polling station / polling place.
Depends. Blizzards yes but that is not ice day or snow
Some speculation on Twitter that Lab might be in difficulties in Easington, which seems unlikely.
Yeah, bizarre. That's landslide territory.
I think when I looked that this was Labour's safest seat in Co. Durham, or one of them. If Labour can't hold onto Easington then (a) they really are fucked and (b) memories of the miners' strike must have faded a lot more than I'd have thought.
Manny Shinwell's old seat. We are talking the heart of the heartlands.
Labour are 1/8 in Easington. Con 6/1.
Ladies and gentlemen, if Easington is seriously in play - even holding by a few thousand - then we students of politics are reading this election horribly wrong. Boris is going to get a seriously large majority. Seriously large. Extinction level event for the Corbynistas and Momentum large.
The biggest swing to the Tories is in the North and Midlands, full of marginals, Boris is doing a Trump and sweeping the white working class
"Boris" sweeping the WWC like Trump. I fear you're right. In which case I wash my hands of them. Difficult - it's my roots - but I will. Stupid stupid bastards.
Some speculation on Twitter that Lab might be in difficulties in Easington, which seems unlikely.
Yeah, bizarre. That's landslide territory.
I think when I looked that this was Labour's safest seat in Co. Durham, or one of them. If Labour can't hold onto Easington then (a) they really are fucked and (b) memories of the miners' strike must have faded a lot more than I'd have thought.
Manny Shinwell's old seat. We are talking the heart of the heartlands.
Labour are 1/8 in Easington. Con 6/1.
Ladies and gentlemen, if Easington is seriously in play - even holding by a few thousand - then we students of politics are reading this election horribly wrong. Boris is going to get a seriously large majority. Seriously large. Extinction level event for the Corbynistas and Momentum large.
Election Day looking staggeringly cold on the latest model outputs. Much of the north and Scotland are at the moment set to have an 'Ice Day' i.e. a day in which the maxima never gets above zero.
Snow in several places too.
You do know those of us who live in the north and Scotland are well versed in cold weather, ice days and snow. Living sub zero is a requirement for many of us from the north but like most things we do not expect southerners to have a clue
It has been sub zero all weekend at mine! Was out and about as normal, Edinburgh was mobbed. You don't really need to start wrapping up warm until it hits minus five or below. Blokes in Scotland stop wearing shorts around minus 15.
Ladies in Newcastle start considering (and rejecting) tights at that temperature.
Is there a temperature at which they consider wearing panties?
The only time Geordies wear panties is when you have thieves operating in pairs. That means they are a pair of nickers. Pause. Stop throwing my f***ing coat, it’s cold out!
The biggest swing to the Tories is in the North and Midlands, full of marginals, Boris is doing a Trump and sweeping the white working class
"Boris" sweeping the WWC like Trump. I fear you're right. In which case I wash my hands of them. Difficult - it's my roots - but I will. Stupid stupid bastards.
Well corbyn has already washed his hands of them leaving them with, as they see it, no where else to go. Labour whilst relying on its traditional base, has deserted them for a socialism that many normal people can not associate with. Anyone but corbyn or one of his disciples from labours safe wing would be heading for Downing Street, the uk towards EFTA/EEA and the possibility of righting some of societies wrongs but no only a true socialist victory is worth having everything else is worthless.
The biggest swing to the Tories is in the North and Midlands, full of marginals, Boris is doing a Trump and sweeping the white working class
"Boris" sweeping the WWC like Trump. I fear you're right. In which case I wash my hands of them. Difficult - it's my roots - but I will. Stupid stupid bastards.
If - and I think it's still a big if - the Labour Leavers do end up swinging this for Johnson then Labour only has itself to blame. This election, coming as it does after a decade of austerity politics and with the sitting Government headed by someone who might plausibly be described as a bumbling charlatan, ought to be an open goal for the Left.
The fact that the leader and the policy platform (especially with respect to Brexit and the colossal amount of unfunded spending pledges) are both incredible - and not in a good way - is entirely down to the party and not to the voters.
If Labour made them an offer that was worth voting for then they would do so.
Some speculation on Twitter that Lab might be in difficulties in Easington, which seems unlikely.
Yeah, bizarre. That's landslide territory.
I think when I looked that this was Labour's safest seat in Co. Durham, or one of them. If Labour can't hold onto Easington then (a) they really are fucked and (b) memories of the miners' strike must have faded a lot more than I'd have thought.
Manny Shinwell's old seat. We are talking the heart of the heartlands.
Labour are 1/8 in Easington. Con 6/1.
Ladies and gentlemen, if Easington is seriously in play - even holding by a few thousand - then we students of politics are reading this election horribly wrong. Boris is going to get a seriously large majority. Seriously large. Extinction level event for the Corbynistas and Momentum large.
"if" is doing a lot of work there.
We also don’t know who’s causing them difficulties. If the Liberal Democrats are on course to win then Boris Johnson is even more screwed than he normally is.
The real mystery of the OGH letters is why some idiot at LDHQ thought they should go out so early. Letters like that are already best arriving at the last minute, not two weeks before polling day. PV’ers are the only people who should be getting them now.
The person I first saw post that they got one, which was in Warrington South on my Facebook feed, said it arrived with his postal vote.
The real mystery of the OGH letters is why some idiot at LDHQ thought they should go out so early. Letters like that are already best arriving at the last minute, not two weeks before polling day. PV’ers are the only people who should be getting them now.
The person I first saw post that they got one, which was in Warrington South on my Facebook feed, said it arrived with his postal vote.
With - or on the same day as? With would be a serious scandal....
Some speculation on Twitter that Lab might be in difficulties in Easington, which seems unlikely.
Yeah, bizarre. That's landslide territory.
I think when I looked that this was Labour's safest seat in Co. Durham, or one of them. If Labour can't hold onto Easington then (a) they really are fucked and (b) memories of the miners' strike must have faded a lot more than I'd have thought.
Manny Shinwell's old seat. We are talking the heart of the heartlands.
Labour are 1/8 in Easington. Con 6/1.
Ladies and gentlemen, if Easington is seriously in play - even holding by a few thousand - then we students of politics are reading this election horribly wrong. Boris is going to get a seriously large majority. Seriously large. Extinction level event for the Corbynistas and Momentum large.
I'd be very surprised. We are talking Peterlee. Have you ever been to Peterlee? I expect they may well be getting a hard time on the doorstep, but the MP has a 14k majority. I'd imagine that Lavery was there out of ineptitude or laziness. If he went to nearby marginal seats, he'd be expected to do some work.
Well suited with his labour connections and loyalty
You mean he'll fit in with such Labour-leaning BBC politicos as, er... Andrew Neil, Laura Kuenssberg and Andrew Marr?
Did you see Marr on Sunday Ben. He is labour through and through
Also Goodall is labour - if you doubt me look up his record with the IPPR and the books he has written
I don't doubt Goodall is left leaning. Do you accept that Neil and Kuenssberg are right-leaning? If so, I don't think it's fair to characterise the BBC as 'well suited to Goodall's labour connections and loyalties'. The point is that both left and right often see the BBC as biased against themselves. Which probably means the BBC get it right most of the time - not an easy feat.
The biggest swing to the Tories is in the North and Midlands, full of marginals, Boris is doing a Trump and sweeping the white working class
"Boris" sweeping the WWC like Trump. I fear you're right. In which case I wash my hands of them. Difficult - it's my roots - but I will. Stupid stupid bastards.
When people think Bozo is honest you really do wonder whether it’s time to escape before Patel stations guards at every exit point shooting those trying to flee the UK .
Bozo now lies every time he speaks and the pathetic media just stand there nodding .
I can believe the Easington rumor. Labour in Middlesbrough only banking on half their 2017 vote. Teesside Tories being pulled out of Middlesbrough South and Stockton South and sent to Darlington. A Labour routing is in prospect in the North East - the question is to whom the votes go? Tories will smash it in Darlo and Stockton South and possibly Sedgefield. I suggested BXP in pools ages ago, Easington another prospect for them. South Shields perhaps, those sorts of seats. There's a loud independent in Boro backed by the independent mayor but TBH I expect he will only split the sizeable anti-Labour vote. Don't get too giddy though you PB Tories. This isn't a UNS landslide. Because UNS is laughable in an election with such significant regional differences. I can see LD gains up here too - there is hope for fans* of Laura Pillock... *giggles*
I can believe the Easington rumor. Labour in Middlesbrough only banking on half their 2017 vote. Teesside Tories being pulled out of Middlesbrough South and Stockton South and sent to Darlington. A Labour routing is in prospect in the North East - the question is to whom the votes go? Tories will smash it in Darlo and Stockton South and possibly Sedgefield. I suggested BXP in pools ages ago, Easington another prospect for them. South Shields perhaps, those sorts of seats. There's a loud independent in Boro backed by the independent mayor but TBH I expect he will only split the sizeable anti-Labour vote. Don't get too giddy though you PB Tories. This isn't a UNS landslide. Because UNS is laughable in an election with such significant regional differences. I can see LD gains up here too - there is hope for fans* of Laura Pillock... *giggles*
The Yellows with a chance to take NW Durham? I’d feel the earthquake all the way to Cannock.
I can believe the Easington rumor. Labour in Middlesbrough only banking on half their 2017 vote. Teesside Tories being pulled out of Middlesbrough South and Stockton South and sent to Darlington. A Labour routing is in prospect in the North East - the question is to whom the votes go? Tories will smash it in Darlo and Stockton South and possibly Sedgefield. I suggested BXP in pools ages ago, Easington another prospect for them. South Shields perhaps, those sorts of seats. There's a loud independent in Boro backed by the independent mayor but TBH I expect he will only split the sizeable anti-Labour vote. Don't get too giddy though you PB Tories. This isn't a UNS landslide. Because UNS is laughable in an election with such significant regional differences. I can see LD gains up here too - there is hope for fans* of Laura Pillock... *giggles*
Pidders is on my wishlist of Portillo moments, along with IDS and others.
I can believe the Easington rumor. Labour in Middlesbrough only banking on half their 2017 vote. Teesside Tories being pulled out of Middlesbrough South and Stockton South and sent to Darlington. A Labour routing is in prospect in the North East - the question is to whom the votes go? Tories will smash it in Darlo and Stockton South and possibly Sedgefield. I suggested BXP in pools ages ago, Easington another prospect for them. South Shields perhaps, those sorts of seats. There's a loud independent in Boro backed by the independent mayor but TBH I expect he will only split the sizeable anti-Labour vote. Don't get too giddy though you PB Tories. This isn't a UNS landslide. Because UNS is laughable in an election with such significant regional differences. I can see LD gains up here too - there is hope for fans* of Laura Pillock... *giggles*
Pidders is on my wishlist of Portillo moments, along with IDS and others.
Johnson and Corbyn are my top two. The chances of the latter are the same as England’s chances of winning a Test overseas.
What’s strange about this election . For all the talk of a Brexit election apart from the now cremated Get Brexit Done that’s it, absolutely nothing about the detail of what trading relationship the UK might have in the future .
ECMWF forecast for Election Day. No northerlies. Way above freezing (chart is the temperature at 850hPa, nearly 1 mile high). GFS 2m temperature at noon on Election Day. I wouldn't normally bother showing the chart for the GFS model, since it's only the third best model (after ECMWF and UKMO), but since @Mysticrose mentioned it, here it is. Only below freezing in Scotland. Just for laughs, here is the GFS forecast 10m wind, fear the mighty 5 knot winds of variable direction! Have I got this all wrong? Is someone feeding wetterzentrale dodgy data? The forecast is not for a bitterly cold day on Election Day.
The real mystery of the OGH letters is why some idiot at LDHQ thought they should go out so early. Letters like that are already best arriving at the last minute, not two weeks before polling day. PV’ers are the only people who should be getting them now.
The person I first saw post that they got one, which was in Warrington South on my Facebook feed, said it arrived with his postal vote.
With - or on the same day as? With would be a serious scandal....
Same day as. If they were both posted they probably were both delivered by Royal Mail at the same time.
I don't know what the mood on the ground is in the West Midlands. But in the NE the visceral hate for Labour is something to behold. They really are despised by people who should have been comfortable bankers for the reds. Whether that means punters manage to coalesce around the best alternative remains to be seen. They did manage to do so in May at the local elections....
I can believe the Easington rumor. Labour in Middlesbrough only banking on half their 2017 vote. Teesside Tories being pulled out of Middlesbrough South and Stockton South and sent to Darlington. A Labour routing is in prospect in the North East - the question is to whom the votes go? Tories will smash it in Darlo and Stockton South and possibly Sedgefield. I suggested BXP in pools ages ago, Easington another prospect for them. South Shields perhaps, those sorts of seats. There's a loud independent in Boro backed by the independent mayor but TBH I expect he will only split the sizeable anti-Labour vote. Don't get too giddy though you PB Tories. This isn't a UNS landslide. Because UNS is laughable in an election with such significant regional differences. I can see LD gains up here too - there is hope for fans* of Laura Pillock... *giggles*
What news from Redcar?
If the Labour vote in Middlesbrough proper is in freefall then I would expect Redcar to be ahead of that.
I don't know what the mood on the ground is in the West Midlands. But in the NE the visceral hate for Labour is something to behold. They really are despised by people who should have been comfortable bankers for the reds. Whether that means punters manage to coalesce around the best alternative remains to be seen. They did manage to do so in May at the local elections....
They are not loved. I haven’t seen quite so much visceral loathing as you describe.
I don't know what the mood on the ground is in the West Midlands. But in the NE the visceral hate for Labour is something to behold. They really are despised by people who should have been comfortable bankers for the reds. Whether that means punters manage to coalesce around the best alternative remains to be seen. They did manage to do so in May at the local elections....
You mean they aren't being placated with offers of free broadband and cheaper rail season tickets?
Hearing some bad noises for Baker coming out of Wycombe..could be v close
It doesn't matter which tribe you back. Or used to back. There are some *excretably* bad politicians in Parliament and most normals would be delighted to see them gone
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I don't think we've ever had a truly cold and snowy election. February 1974 was probably the closest but the rain which came in from the west didn't turn to sleet and snow across the Midlands and North until the following day.
December 12th, at the moment, looks bone-chilling with significant snowfall across parts of Scotland, the North-west and, later, Wales. The latest run also shows significant snowfall south of the M4 corridor on Election Day morning.
This may all change and most probably will. It's still 10 days out and that's a reasonable length of time meteorlogically. However, both main models are currently showing the same set up: The GFS based in America and the ECM European model.
I'm not sure how to quantify what might happen in such scenarios. Notwithstanding BGNW's comment, it's difficult to believe that it wouldn't have an impact on turnout, even if only because of transport disruption. A dark, cold, election isn't going to inspire everyone to leave their front doors. Those who haven't already cast their vote by post, that is.
We shall see!
A lot of commuters are gonna have to postal vote, this GE, I wager.
But it may not happen. These things usually don't!!!
Do you have a link?
All they need now is another couple of trillion...
I think we can reasonably expect the adopted child of Holocaust survivors and nephew/grandchild of Holocaust victims, to understand the reference.
He will also understand, like 99% of people here, that your use of it reflects overwhelmingly on you, not on him. And not well.
that most come from "I hope Tory MPs start dying so they lose the majority" justin is, well, reflects overwhelmingly on him, not on me. And not well
Typical miz, but hardly extreme, Dec day.
SLab 8/11 to hold Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.
So suggesting an ice day or snow will effect the voting I would suggest can only be from someone who has little knowledge of us northerners
"unsolicited mail" is what elections are all about. If you don't like it, get yourself a different hobby. You're like a punter at the horse races whingeing about "poor race horses condemned to slavery"
When I were travelling by train as a lad, we didn’t’ave windows. We used to make blocks of solid ice and plug gaps. Then, we wanted to get oot, Dad’ld use the heat from oor bodies t’melt ice and we would be thrown on t’tracks.
(With apologies to the Four Yorkshiremen.)
The Met Office forecasts are generally better but they wisely do not provide detail beyond a week.
I heard he is off to the BBC after the GE?
Seriously large.
Extinction level event for the Corbynistas and Momentum large.
Pause.
Stop throwing my f***ing coat, it’s cold out!
The fact that the leader and the policy platform (especially with respect to Brexit and the colossal amount of unfunded spending pledges) are both incredible - and not in a good way - is entirely down to the party and not to the voters.
If Labour made them an offer that was worth voting for then they would do so.
Tory majority reduced by 100 over Labour then?
Also Goodall is labour - if you doubt me look up his record with the IPPR and the books he has written
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-50636780/white-house-christmas-decorations-unveiled
With would be a serious scandal....
She ain’t hoovering them pine needles.
I expect they may well be getting a hard time on the doorstep, but the MP has a 14k majority. I'd imagine that Lavery was there out of ineptitude or laziness. If he went to nearby marginal seats, he'd be expected to do some work.
The point is that both left and right often see the BBC as biased against themselves. Which probably means the BBC get it right most of the time - not an easy feat.
Bozo now lies every time he speaks and the pathetic media just stand there nodding .
A Labour routing is in prospect in the North East - the question is to whom the votes go? Tories will smash it in Darlo and Stockton South and possibly Sedgefield. I suggested BXP in pools ages ago, Easington another prospect for them. South Shields perhaps, those sorts of seats. There's a loud independent in Boro backed by the independent mayor but TBH I expect he will only split the sizeable anti-Labour vote.
Don't get too giddy though you PB Tories. This isn't a UNS landslide. Because UNS is laughable in an election with such significant regional differences. I can see LD gains up here too - there is hope for fans* of Laura Pillock... *giggles*
I’d feel the earthquake all the way to Cannock.
The chances of the latter are the same as England’s chances of winning a Test overseas.
(Edit: Sorry that one's truly abysmal!)
So I’m now bringing out .
BEINO
Brexit Election In Name Only !
GFS 2m temperature at noon on Election Day. I wouldn't normally bother showing the chart for the GFS model, since it's only the third best model (after ECMWF and UKMO), but since @Mysticrose mentioned it, here it is. Only below freezing in Scotland.
Just for laughs, here is the GFS forecast 10m wind, fear the mighty 5 knot winds of variable direction!
Have I got this all wrong? Is someone feeding wetterzentrale dodgy data?
The forecast is not for a bitterly cold day on Election Day.
They did manage to do so in May at the local elections....
If the Labour vote in Middlesbrough proper is in freefall then I would expect Redcar to be ahead of that.
Any chance of a double with Francois?