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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627

    HYUFD said:

    ps://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1201424369542676481?s=20

    You just know that petrol and diesel duties will get hammered "to encourage commuters onto our wonderful spacious, fragrant, timely (unionised) services...."
    Fuel duties are going to get hammered anyway. They currently raise £28bn and are about to start falling rapidly, as increasing engine efficiency and electric car use outweighs growing numbers of cars on the road.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited December 2019
    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    Dont let facts get in the way for goodness sake
  • Selebian said:

    Just a quick Q : I applied for my postal vote and ca. 2 weeks ago got the confirmation that I would be getting one. Should the actual vote have arrived?

    I'm in Brum Ladywood, so imagine "I've" already voted Labour, tbh.

    Mine was quite late when I applied near the deadline for the Euro elections (realised I was going to be out of the country on the day, had voted in person before). Others I knew locally with postal votes got theirs some time before, so can be a delay if you've just applied.
    Might want to query it with the local council (I did for Euros, but my ballot arrived, next day, before their reply - a couple of days later - that it had been sent out).
    cheers, will chase up today.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    The Lib Dems will be lucky to poll 10% on Election Day .

    They were always going to get squeezed . It seems more likely they’re getting squeezed in seats where Labour are the main challengers to the Tories or defending their seats . And they’re showing huge variations across the country with the Lib Dem vote share doing well in those Tory v Lib Dem marginals as has been suggested by some of those constituency polling .
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Dropped my daughter to Guildford station this morning. I may disagree with their reasons but have no issue with the right of rail staff to strike. What I do have an issue with is them tieing a union banner to the railings at the station exit so that anyone leaving cannot see traffic from the left and has to pull out blind. Surely the police should be removing the banner and charging the idiot responsible?
  • Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Is this in spite of, or because of, your political pronouncements at the last family get-together?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Lump of coal in their stocking this year I hope? :)
  • Pulpstar said:

    One of the mysteries of this campaign is how little time has been spent on the economy. I might be biased as I work in business but this seems to me as the key to the future. Social care and nhs depend a lot more on a strong economy than the political party in charge. To me neither major party has a good plan for the economy. In the meantime business has made up its mind and continues to disinvest from the UK.

    The economy doesn't come up as an issue when it's going well. Which it is.
    Wealth creating now involves only a small minority of people.

    Spending money on the other hand ...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Jeremy Corbyn protested against extradition of terror suspects outside court as Anjem Choudary held second rally just yards away https://t.co/EURunRZHzi

    Nah but you're really upstanding and moral if you vote Corbyn. Jew hatred and terror sympathy and the left come running like dogs
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,212

    Just a quick Q : I applied for my postal vote and ca. 2 weeks ago got the confirmation that I would be getting one. Should the actual vote have arrived?

    I'm in Brum Ladywood, so imagine "I've" already voted Labour, tbh.

    I once missed out on a postal vote for the police commissioner elections, probably the first and only time someone's requested for that - but this is a bit more important so get it checked with your local council. You may jest also but you want to make sure no one else is using your vote in Brum Ladywood.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Is this in spite of, or because of, your political pronouncements at the last family get-together?
    Who knows? Shocking times
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    RobD said:

    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Lump of coal in their stocking this year I hope? :)
    2 lumps. I'm not tight like lefties
  • Erhhh that's not fair SO....it is exactly what the EU announced earlier this year would be their policy for all tourists from non-EU countries and that would include the UK. They could have easily given a special exemption in the way US / Canada do.


    Britons will pay €7 to travel to EU countries
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46564884

    The EU announced it would be waived for UK ctizens if the UK reciprocated.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Lump of coal in their stocking this year I hope? :)
    2 lumps. I'm not tight like lefties
    Surely everyone would be getting free lumps of coal in the upcoming socialist utopia? :D
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Alistair said:

    Did Bojo really lie to Marr about the queen's speech being defeated?

    Not that I recall
  • eek said:

    I’m enjoying chaos with Mick Cash in SWR this morning.

    I have three weeks of it now.

    It’s a militant union just like the NUM and needs to be Thatcherised, quite frankly.

    In 2019. Why don't we have driverless trains already? That surely has to be the solution.
    We do where a digital railway has already been rolled out, with DOO CCTV on all the platforms and new rolling stock. Places like London Overground, C2C and Thameslink. And, also, Crossrail when it opens.

    The RMT are fighting a strong rearguard action to halt its spread, and hopefully reverse it, because they want to keep control of the train doors.
    If the Tories win a healthy majority they should support making all trains driverless. Or would that require the Mayor's support.
    This isn't an argument about drivers - it's about guards and who controls the button to restart the train at a station.

    It's not about drivers yet - we are a long way from the time when 30+ miles of track can be fully protected from people wandering onto the track.
    The issue is surely about staff on the trains going on strike. Whether its guards or drivers, there is always an excuse for them to go on strike and the only way to stop that would surely be automated trains?

    Given the speed the trains travel at are you suggesting that the drivers can spot someone within 30 miles and then stop the train in time? I would have thought automated systems could identify an intruder on the track and an automated train could react quicker than a driver could manually?

    My understanding that if you stepped in front of a train then the result is pretty certain death - and not a driver stopping the train? Stopping intrusions seems a better solution, especially in areas like the London Underground - I'm not often in London but I don't understand why all stations now don't have automated doors that prevent anyone getting to the tracks unless there's a train there. Some stations do, but that seems like a sensible thing to roll out to all stations and then make all trains automated.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Erhhh that's not fair SO....it is exactly what the EU announced earlier this year would be their policy for all tourists from non-EU countries and that would include the UK. They could have easily given a special exemption in the way US / Canada do.


    Britons will pay €7 to travel to EU countries
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46564884

    The EU announced it would be waived for UK ctizens if the UK reciprocated.

    Does the article say that the charge will be applied for EU citizens?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Agreed.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:
    Tories have slashed the budget for bus services over the past decade.
    Something had to give.. Labour's 156 billion budget deficit was unsustainable.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    Squaw Warren is on the warpath against the federation
    I am sure the GOP can think of many new ways to stop people voting if this happens. And no doubt the corrupt Gorsuch, Alito and Thomas will declare such measures the natural right of the states. I am becoming almost an admirer of Roberts who, at least, seems to be trying to exercise some control over a small group of justices who never had the standing for their seats in the first place.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Labour have plundered the Green vote. But that well is now dry.....
    Who are the 3% of Leavers voting for the LDs? :o
    People who voted leave in 2016 but would now vote remain.
  • RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Lump of coal in their stocking this year I hope? :)
    2 lumps. I'm not tight like lefties
    Surely everyone would be getting free lumps of coal in the upcoming socialist utopia? :D
    Everyone is gagging to vote for jew hatred and terror sympathy with their free coal and cheap train rides.
  • HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    Fact: more Americans voted for Hillary than for the Racist-in-Chief in 2016!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Some of them were even US citizens and eligible to vote.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    Squaw Warren is on the warpath against the federation
    Doesn’t that require a constitutional amendment, which requires all the states to agree? Why would they? And won’t that take up time and legislative energy? It seems a foolish priority.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    alb1on said:

    Dropped my daughter to Guildford station this morning. I may disagree with their reasons but have no issue with the right of rail staff to strike. What I do have an issue with is them tieing a union banner to the railings at the station exit so that anyone leaving cannot see traffic from the left and has to pull out blind. Surely the police should be removing the banner and charging the idiot responsible?

    That’s what they want

    Cue twitter meme of “instruments of the facist state” “suppressing free speech”
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    A lot of people have only been given two years or have had problems providing the necessary paperwork and unfortunately many are unaware of what’s required. As an aside I’m hearing stories out here in Spain at a sudden increase in Brit’s putting houses up for sale at dramatically under market value to shift them quickly, not dramatic numbers but it’s apparently because the are ineligible for residency. Of course the implication is either they are unable to demonstrate income requirements or they are under state retirement age and can’t afford private health insurance having hidden behind the EHIC card.
  • RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    Fact: more Americans voted for Hillary than for the Racist-in-Chief in 2016!
    She must have been campaigning hard cos she didn't bother putting any effort into building homes in Haiti with all the money her foundation raised. She must have had other interests there.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,212

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,236
    "BORIS BLITZ on freed Jihadis!"
    Who is this "Boris"? He sounds like an incredible man. I see him in a cape.
    And whither his underpants - inside or out?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    edited December 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    California has one of the lowest turnouts in the US. If you are a republican in CA, there's not much point voting at the moment.

    In fact, sometimes your choice is between two Democrats -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_Senate_election_in_California
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    kinabalu said:

    "BORIS BLITZ on freed Jihadis!"
    Who is this "Boris"? He sounds like an incredible man. I see him in a cape.
    And whither his underpants - inside or out?

    On his head.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    California has one of the lowest turnouts in the US. If you are a republican in CA, there's not much point voting at the moment.
    The number of legal votes in CA is even lower
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    RobD said:

    Family drama. Found out a cousin is canvassing for labour. Ouch.

    Lump of coal in their stocking this year I hope? :)
    A labour credit card. 😂
  • nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    A lot of people have only been given two years or have had problems providing the necessary paperwork and unfortunately many are unaware of what’s required. As an aside I’m hearing stories out here in Spain at a sudden increase in Brit’s putting houses up for sale at dramatically under market value to shift them quickly, not dramatic numbers but it’s apparently because the are ineligible for residency. Of course the implication is either they are unable to demonstrate income requirements or they are under state retirement age and can’t afford private health insurance having hidden behind the EHIC card.

    There will be loads more who do not own homes but rent. And on top of that there will be the many who divide their time between the UK and Spain. This is a slow ticking story, but a lot of Brits are going to come to understand how they have been making use of freedom of movement without realising it.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    A republic does not have to give equal weight at the national level to each state for it to be federal, and the senate is 2 senators per state, giving Hawaii and Alaska the same weight as California and Texas.

    A more realistic problem is getting the states to agree to "direct elections". The whole US election system is set up so that each state has it's own rules and peculiarities. A more realistic option is to continue to allow the states to run their elections, but the weight of each state is proportional to the number of registered voters, and the state results are not "winner takes all" but proportional.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,212

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    A lot of people have only been given two years or have had problems providing the necessary paperwork and unfortunately many are unaware of what’s required. As an aside I’m hearing stories out here in Spain at a sudden increase in Brit’s putting houses up for sale at dramatically under market value to shift them quickly, not dramatic numbers but it’s apparently because the are ineligible for residency. Of course the implication is either they are unable to demonstrate income requirements or they are under state retirement age and can’t afford private health insurance having hidden behind the EHIC card.

    There will be loads more who do not own homes but rent. And on top of that there will be the many who divide their time between the UK and Spain. This is a slow ticking story, but a lot of Brits are going to come to understand how they have been making use of freedom of movement without realising it.

    How can one accrue such assets without realising stuff like thi.. oh wait Boomers >.>
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    There is no gerry mandering the state borders! The gerrymandering is for the house of Reps.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    kinabalu said:

    "BORIS BLITZ on freed Jihadis!"
    Who is this "Boris"? He sounds like an incredible man. I see him in a cape.
    And whither his underpants - inside or out?

    Absent for quick access.
  • alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    Which the Democrats all do likewise in their strongholds.

    US elections have always been held in a different manner to those in the UK.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    kinabalu said:

    "BORIS BLITZ on freed Jihadis!"
    Who is this "Boris"? He sounds like an incredible man. I see him in a cape.
    And whither his underpants - inside or out?

    Absent for quick access.
    eristdoof said:

    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    There is no gerry mandering the state borders! The gerrymandering is for the house of Reps.
    As I stated - 'congressional seats'.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    edited December 2019
    geoffw said:

    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.

    p.s. personal anecdote: our experience is that the scheme works quite well, with the bizarre exception that at the initial stage it requires use of an Android smartphone (iPhone won't do), so not having one we had to get a third party involved - in our case Citizens' Advice.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,212
    edited December 2019
    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    Good god... Suppressing Democrat turnout in states like Texas would make the GOP less efficient. Have a think.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Hello. Can you hear me? I"m in California dreaming of the Tory campaign......
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    eristdoof said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    A republic does not have to give equal weight at the national level to each state for it to be federal, and the senate is 2 senators per state, giving Hawaii and Alaska the same weight as California and Texas.

    A more realistic problem is getting the states to agree to "direct elections". The whole US election system is set up so that each state has it's own rules and peculiarities. A more realistic option is to continue to allow the states to run their elections, but the weight of each state is proportional to the number of registered voters, and the state results are not "winner takes all" but proportional.
    Wasn't the US established with the principle that each state was equal?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    Yes
  • Genuine WTF but just seen a clip on Sky saying Labour are going to pay for their rail bribe to commuters by taking money from the road budgets and Labour's spokesman they are going to do this because roads need repairing as cyclists are affected by roads which need repairing.

    WHAT!? Seriously what the actual f... are they talking about? You don't improve roads for cyclists by taking money from road budgets and bunging it to rail commuters.

    And again as I said last night I'm not sure how this helps Labour in Northern marginals to set themselves against road users and in favour of train users. The vast, vast majority of people up here drive.

    Its almost as if the Labour Party is out of touch with reality for people who drive to work and the Labour Party has been taken over by London based champagne socialists . . .
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    Right winger prefers to keep the the system with an in-built bias to the right shocker.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677



    There will be loads more who do not own homes but rent. And on top of that there will be the many who divide their time between the UK and Spain. This is a slow ticking story, but a lot of Brits are going to come to understand how they have been making use of freedom of movement without realising it.

    One thing's for sure: they won't be blaming Boris or the other members of the Bund für Brexit for their depleted status.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Pulpstar said:

    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    Good god... Suppressing Democrat turnout in states like Texas would make the GOP less efficient. Have a think.
    Well, it makes it more efficient if it's the difference between a win and a loss!
  • Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    A lot of people have only been given two years or have had problems providing the necessary paperwork and unfortunately many are unaware of what’s required. As an aside I’m hearing stories out here in Spain at a sudden increase in Brit’s putting houses up for sale at dramatically under market value to shift them quickly, not dramatic numbers but it’s apparently because the are ineligible for residency. Of course the implication is either they are unable to demonstrate income requirements or they are under state retirement age and can’t afford private health insurance having hidden behind the EHIC card.
    It's a perfectly valid comment. Yesterday's snide comments aimed at Mr Horse Battery were the OTT ones.

    A German friend of mine fears deportation after 'only' living here, marrying a Brit., working, using the NHS, paying taxes, etc for 55 years. Until recently, they had legal advice to lie low and under no circumstances approach the authorities because they had evidence but not every single paper proving events in their lives going back to ... er, 1966. In those days we had already set up EFTA and joined the EEC in 1972-3 so there was more of a spirit of European cooperation and the bone-headed idea of ripping up all earlier treaties didn't arise.
  • Genuine WTF but just seen a clip on Sky saying Labour are going to pay for their rail bribe to commuters by taking money from the road budgets and Labour's spokesman they are going to do this because roads need repairing as cyclists are affected by roads which need repairing.

    WHAT!? Seriously what the actual f... are they talking about? You don't improve roads for cyclists by taking money from road budgets and bunging it to rail commuters.

    And again as I said last night I'm not sure how this helps Labour in Northern marginals to set themselves against road users and in favour of train users. The vast, vast majority of people up here drive.

    Its almost as if the Labour Party is out of touch with reality for people who drive to work and the Labour Party has been taken over by London based champagne socialists . . .

    Perhaps they want to let roads deteriorate to the point where people can't drive but can still cycle on them.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,236

    Everyone is gagging to vote for jew hatred and terror sympathy with their free coal and cheap train rides.

    Oh dear. We're on the slide again.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    Squaw Warren is on the warpath against the federation
    Doesn’t that require a constitutional amendment, which requires all the states to agree? Why would they? And won’t that take up time and legislative energy? It seems a foolish priority.
    It isn’t. It’s a call out to the radical left who like to bias the system when they can
  • RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    kinabalu said:

    "BORIS BLITZ on freed Jihadis!"
    Who is this "Boris"? He sounds like an incredible man. I see him in a cape.
    And whither his underpants - inside or out?

    We are indeed on the slide again
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Pulpstar said:

    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    Good god... Suppressing Democrat turnout in states like Texas would make the GOP less efficient. Have a think.
    I understand where you are coming from but must disagree. Voter suppression may have cost O'Rourke the Senate seat in 2018. It most certainly cost the Democrats Texas 23 (and possibly other districts) in 2018.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    alb1on said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    Lots of small population states vote Democrat (Plenty on the NE seaboard). The Dems problem is not smaller states going red, it's the colossal, useless majorities they rack up on the west coast compared to the efficiency of Texas and other states for the GOP.
    And, of course, part of the 'efficiency' in states like Texas (and most of the south) involves gerrymandering (for congressional seats) and active voter prevention, up to and including violence, in democrat leaning areas.
    Good god... Suppressing Democrat turnout in states like Texas would make the GOP less efficient. Have a think.
    I understand where you are coming from but must disagree. Voter suppression may have cost O'Rourke the Senate seat in 2018. It most certainly cost the Democrats Texas 23 (and possibly other districts) in 2018.
    Pulpstar is talking about Texas in the General Election.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    A lot of people have only been given two years or have had problems providing the necessary paperwork and unfortunately many are unaware of what’s required. As an aside I’m hearing stories out here in Spain at a sudden increase in Brit’s putting houses up for sale at dramatically under market value to shift them quickly, not dramatic numbers but it’s apparently because the are ineligible for residency. Of course the implication is either they are unable to demonstrate income requirements or they are under state retirement age and can’t afford private health insurance having hidden behind the EHIC card.
    It's a perfectly valid comment. Yesterday's snide comments aimed at Mr Horse Battery were the OTT ones.

    A German friend of mine fears deportation after 'only' living here, marrying a Brit., working, using the NHS, paying taxes, etc for 55 years. Until recently, they had legal advice to lie low and under no circumstances approach the authorities because they had evidence but not every single paper proving events in their lives going back to ... er, 1966. In those days we had already set up EFTA and joined the EEC in 1972-3 so there was more of a spirit of European cooperation and the bone-headed idea of ripping up all earlier treaties didn't arise.
    Good job you don’t need that stuff then
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    nunu2 said:

    Hello. Can you hear me? I"m in California dreaming of the Tory campaign......

    California dreaming, on such a winter's day?
  • Erhhh that's not fair SO....it is exactly what the EU announced earlier this year would be their policy for all tourists from non-EU countries and that would include the UK. They could have easily given a special exemption in the way US / Canada do.


    Britons will pay €7 to travel to EU countries
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46564884

    The EU announced it would be waived for UK ctizens if the UK reciprocated.

    Fake news from SO, why let facts get in the way?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited December 2019

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    edited December 2019
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    Squaw Warren is on the warpath against the federation
    Doesn’t that require a constitutional amendment, which requires all the states to agree? Why would they? And won’t that take up time and legislative energy? It seems a foolish priority.
    It isn’t. It’s a call out to the radical left who like to bias the system when they can

    How is a system that allows a minority to create lifelong Supreme Court justices not biased in favour of that minority?

  • I think PB Fantasy League might need to be nationalised next by the Magic Marxists and see points reallocated from the elite at the top and shared (say 50%) with those at the less fortunate end of the scale.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    edited December 2019
    Anyway, tonight I am going to an Intelligence Squared event in London to hear Ken Clarke being interviewed by John Humphreys.
    Any other PB’er going?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, tonight I am going to an Intelligence Squared event in London to hear Ken Clarke being interviewed by John Humphreys.
    Any other PB’er going?

    Sadly not, am a thousand miles away from London today but have been to a couple of these talks before. Usually very good and with a respectful rather than partisan audience.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,236
    RobD said:

    On his head.

    Well, so long as he can still vanquish evil looking like that, who are we to snigger? Likewise his assistant Matt 'boy wonder' Hancock. Health Secretary by day, but by night, so much more than that.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Noticeable that today's A3 Lib Dem leaflet contained not a single mention of Brexit.

    I wonder if that's a local thing or whether the national party has decided to drop what seemed to be the main plank of their campaign.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    edited December 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight

    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    I thought there had only been a handful of cases rejected?
    A lot of people have only been given two years or have had problems providing the necessary paperwork and unfortunately many are unaware of what’s required. As an aside I’m hearing stories out here in Spain at a sudden increase in Brit’s putting houses up for sale at dramatically under market value to shift them quickly, not dramatic numbers but it’s apparently because the are ineligible for residency. Of course the implication is either they are unable to demonstrate income requirements or they are under state retirement age and can’t afford private health insurance having hidden behind the EHIC card.

    There will be loads more who do not own homes but rent. And on top of that there will be the many who divide their time between the UK and Spain. This is a slow ticking story, but a lot of Brits are going to come to understand how they have been making use of freedom of movement without realising it.

    How can one accrue such assets without realising stuff like thi.. oh wait Boomers >.>

    The point is that they have not accrued assets. They just believe they have the inalienable right to live and work where they wish on terms they decide. It will be a rude awakening. As it will be for all those who were dreaming of spending more time in the sun but now find they will not be able to.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
    I don't see that. To me it is fifty equal states electing a president of their federation.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
    Which makes you wonder what the point of the (ball-ache) process is then.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    I think PB Fantasy League might need to be nationalised next by the Magic Marxists and see points reallocated from the elite at the top and shared (say 50%) with those at the less fortunate end of the scale.

    Beyond the pale.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
    Which makes you wonder what the point of the (ball-ache) process is then.
    So everyone has the correct documentation.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    RobD said:

    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
    Which makes you wonder what the point of the (ball-ache) process is then.
    So everyone has the correct documentation.
    "Your papers, please"
  • Chris said:

    Noticeable that today's A3 Lib Dem leaflet contained not a single mention of Brexit.

    I wonder if that's a local thing or whether the national party has decided to drop what seemed to be the main plank of their campaign.

    What's your constituency?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720

    A German friend of mine fears deportation after 'only' living here, marrying a Brit., working, using the NHS, paying taxes, etc for 55 years. Until recently, they had legal advice to lie low and under no circumstances approach the authorities because they had evidence but not every single paper proving events in their lives going back to ... er, 1966. In those days we had already set up EFTA and joined the EEC in 1972-3 so there was more of a spirit of European cooperation and the bone-headed idea of ripping up all earlier treaties didn't arise.

    This is similar to our case. But we were not asked for evidence of residence for every past year, just evidence for last 7 years. We provided scanned Council Tax payments showing both the name and address. I think your friend should consider Citizens' Advice because, at least here in Edinburgh, they were able to deal with the matter competently.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
    Which makes you wonder what the point of the (ball-ache) process is then.
    So everyone has the correct documentation.
    "Your papers, please"
    I don't see the problem in requiring non-citizens to have immigration paperwork?
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Pulpstar said:
    Actually I think that's just a Catherine Tate sketch that's gotten out of hand :wink:
  • geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
    Which makes you wonder what the point of the (ball-ache) process is then.
    It's a very simple process as my wife a French national found out.
    Where I live 3,000 applications all gone through.

  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    The Mori poll should have a tory share of 43 if it is line with their Scottish poll
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
    I don't see that. To me it is fifty equal states electing a president of their federation.
    The States aren't equal as they all have different number of votes in the electoral collage - and it does highlight the fact that the current collage may not accurately represent the current population centres.

    However, it's very much a political question. At the moment the Republican party can win the presidency with the collage as it currently is. That would be a lot harder if the populations of New York, California and Texas (which from memory is still rapidly growing) were properly represented.
  • kinabalu said:

    "BORIS BLITZ on freed Jihadis!"
    Who is this "Boris"? He sounds like an incredible man. I see him in a cape.
    And whither his underpants - inside or out?

    It's a moot point. They're usually either round his ankles or on fire.

  • A thought on the Labour voting coalition, following on from the thread header. What happens if next time we’ve left and it can’t campaign to rejoin? How much is it’s vote being artificially inflated by people who think the rest of it is nonsense?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    A thought on the Labour voting coalition, following on from the thread header. What happens if next time we’ve left and it can’t campaign to rejoin? How much is it’s vote being artificially inflated by people who think the rest of it is nonsense?

    Cuts both ways unfortunately. Next time they can get the greedier end of the leave vote on board with soom goodies
  • President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?

    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
    No the logic of that is that the States come together to determine who represents them as POTUS which is how the Electoral College works.

    National First Past the Post election would eliminate the states influence and would make it a single national post and not a federal one.
  • eek said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
    I don't see that. To me it is fifty equal states electing a president of their federation.
    The States aren't equal as they all have different number of votes in the electoral collage - and it does highlight the fact that the current collage may not accurately represent the current population centres.

    However, it's very much a political question. At the moment the Republican party can win the presidency with the collage as it currently is. That would be a lot harder if the populations of New York, California and Texas (which from memory is still rapidly growing) were properly represented.
    They are properly represented as the authors of the Constitution intended. Its not as if California gets 3 Electoral Votes it has 55, New York has 29 and Texas 38.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    edited December 2019

    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?

    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
    No the logic of that is that the States come together to determine who represents them as POTUS which is how the Electoral College works.

    National First Past the Post election would eliminate the states influence and would make it a single national post and not a federal one.
    But the electoral collage represents the population of the country as it was some time in the past and not what it currently is.

    However, I suspect changing the electoral collage votes to more accurately represent the current population of States would be an even harder battle than changing to first past the post.
  • Chris said:

    Noticeable that today's A3 Lib Dem leaflet contained not a single mention of Brexit.

    I wonder if that's a local thing or whether the national party has decided to drop what seemed to be the main plank of their campaign.

    Is it all about Jo "I will be next Prime Minister" Swinson instead or have they moved on from her too?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    The report this morning that the Polish chef who wielded the narwhal tusk at the terrorist suffered severe knife injuries to his arm to the point he could not feel it but continued the fight
    Just extraordinary courage and he deserves the highest civilian award from HMQ

    Probably be deported because he fails to complete his settled status registration properly.
    That is uncalled for
    It’s going to happen to quite a few people and is a real risk
    2½ million applications have been made, of which ~20% from Poles. Of these 60% have been given settled status and 40% pre-settled status.
    So the number actually rejected is a rounding error? Presumably there’s a few people we don’t want to stay here because of serious criminal records etc.
    It would be good to know the actual number who have been refused settled status.

    And then people can support individual criminals and layabouts if they so chose.
    0.6% "Other outcomes", which means:
    ‘Other outcomes’ includes any outcome that did not result in a grant of leave because the application was withdrawn or void (including where the applicant was ineligible to apply, for example, because they were a British citizen), was invalid as it did not include the required proof of identity and nationality or other mandatory information, or was refused on eligibility or suitability grounds (see the user guidefor more detail).
    and
    As of 31 October 2019, four applications have been refused on suitability grounds.Of these, two applications were refused in October 2019, one in September 2019 and one in August 2019.
    Which makes you wonder what the point of the (ball-ache) process is then.
    So everyone has the correct documentation.
    "Your papers, please"
    I don't see the problem in requiring non-citizens to have immigration paperwork?
    It can be if you are asking people to provide information for a time when no such paperwork was needed and when no-one could have imagined that they might need to keep it. The referendum was only 3 years ago after all. Expecting people to have documentation for the previous 4 years might well be unreasonable depending on what is being asked for.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    eek said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Pocohontas in I support the system that benefits me most shocker
    I thought the US was a federal republic. So much for the views of the smaller states... ;)
    But Hillary won more votes throughout that federal republic in 2016 ;)
    But not more states within the federal republic. The Democrats want to dissolve the federal nature of the constitution but to do so would require the smaller states to consent to their being shafted . . . not going to happen!
    President of the United States, the States aren't electing 50 separate presidents, right?
    President of the United States, the 50 States are electing a President, not a single state electing a President.
    The logic of that is that each state gets one POTUS president each.
    I don't see that. To me it is fifty equal states electing a president of their federation.
    The States aren't equal as they all have different number of votes in the electoral collage - and it does highlight the fact that the current collage may not accurately represent the current population centres.

    However, it's very much a political question. At the moment the Republican party can win the presidency with the collage as it currently is. That would be a lot harder if the populations of New York, California and Texas (which from memory is still rapidly growing) were properly represented.
    Doesn't full PR take away the check the smaller states have (extra two EC votes each)?
    The answer surely is to convert state votes into EC votes by PR, then let the EC pick the president as currently. Would solve the problem of candidates not campaigning in most of the country, and go some way to ensuring that we don;t get presidents losing the popular vote.
    Main drawback I can think of is that some of the smaller states might get overlooked completely - eg if it's obvious that the Dakotas will be split 2:1 Rep:Dem. Still better than at present though.
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