It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
Half an hour of tonight's program is going to be about Brexit apparently. I am not entirely sure that is enough time for Jeremy to explain his policy.
I think one thing that was affect the format is if ITV have the audience silent like they have sometimes in the past, or if they make a noise. If the latter, Corbyn may get laughed at. And that’s terminal.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't think the audience should be laughing, cheering, booing or whatever.
Oh I agree with you, but if they do then I think it plays for Boris. He’s most likely to get some laughs.
New Kantar poll, 14-18 Nov: 18-pt Tory lead Con 45% +8 Labour 27% ±0 Lib Dem 16% -1 Green 3% ±0 Brexit Party 2% -7 (Change from 7-11 Nov; respondents couldn't choose BXP where stood down – but even if they could only 3%) https://t.co/BdsOD5pQON
Electoral Calculus Conservative majority 204
Con 427 Lab 145 Lib 20 Green 1 SNP 36 PC 3 NI 18
Is Speaker classed within the Labour 145?
You've clearly omitted to use Baxter's Scottish refinement tool to properly reflect the SNP's localised strength North of the Border. The spread-betters and other betting markets are showing them winning 46-50 seats, whereas you have them on only 36.
This assumption the SNP will do better than 2017 is interesting...
what planet have you been on to only be noticing
Could be Con gain Perth, and Argyll & Bute
Con is the correct term for them PS; Ave you Lost It
Half an hour of tonight's program is going to be about Brexit apparently. I am not entirely sure that is enough time for Jeremy to explain his policy.
I think one thing that was affect the format is if ITV have the audience silent like they have sometimes in the past, or if they make a noise. If the latter, Corbyn may get laughed at. And that’s terminal.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't think the audience should be laughing, cheering, booing or whatever.
So what's the point in having them then? I agree getting a balanced audience is a nightmare but if you are going to have one it really has to be allowed to react to some extent.
For the party leaders to debate things between each other. A baying audience doesn't help.
I thought Putin was pro-Brexit....is the Banks twitter hack the black swan Labour need? Apparently Carole Conspiracy has them.
Indeed he was - one of three international Leaders who spoke out prominently in favor of it at the time. The other two I recall were Le Pen and Trump.
I think Putin would prefer chaos of Jezza even more than Brexit. If people think we will be weak post-Brexit, imagine Corbyn in charge. No military, never fire the nukes, invent Putin around for a chat over tea to trying and get to the bottom of why he would assassinate people on UK soil etc.
Which side are the Russians supporting in this election? Up to now, they have been pro-Brexit and pro-Tory (for defence cuts, presumably). Is there any evidence they have switched to Labour?
As the Russian comedian on the Now Show explained they're not for either side, but for maximum disruption. As per the recent thread from @Pulpstar they're probably aiming for ~310 Tory MPs.
A small landing spot, even for the Russians.
But yeah it's all hypothetical bullshit for people who spend their lives on twitter. Speaking of that, I wonder what happened to Scott P. he's gone from a hundred posts of spam a day to nothing...
He was temporarily banned for crimes against Radiohead.
LOL is he still banned? I assumed that was a joke by @rcs1000 and would be lifted within the hour.
I thought Putin was pro-Brexit....is the Banks twitter hack the black swan Labour need? Apparently Carole Conspiracy has them.
Indeed he was - one of three international Leaders who spoke out prominently in favor of it at the time. The other two I recall were Le Pen and Trump.
I think Putin would prefer chaos of Jezza even more than Brexit. If people think we will be weak post-Brexit, imagine Corbyn in charge. No military, never fire the nukes, invent Putin around for a chat over tea to trying and get to the bottom of why he would assassinate people on UK soil etc.
Which side are the Russians supporting in this election? Up to now, they have been pro-Brexit and pro-Tory (for defence cuts, presumably). Is there any evidence they have switched to Labour?
As the Russian comedian on the Now Show explained they're not for either side, but for maximum disruption. As per the recent thread from @Pulpstar they're probably aiming for ~310 Tory MPs.
A small landing spot, even for the Russians.
But yeah it's all hypothetical bullshit for people who spend their lives on twitter. Speaking of that, I wonder what happened to Scott P. he's gone from a hundred posts of spam a day to nothing...
He was temporarily banned for crimes against Radiohead.
LOL is he still banned? I assumed that was a joke by @rcs1000 and would be lifted within the hour.
Yes it was a joke, though he doesn't seem to have posted much since.
Half an hour of tonight's program is going to be about Brexit apparently. I am not entirely sure that is enough time for Jeremy to explain his policy.
I think one thing that was affect the format is if ITV have the audience silent like they have sometimes in the past, or if they make a noise. If the latter, Corbyn may get laughed at. And that’s terminal.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't think the audience should be laughing, cheering, booing or whatever.
So what's the point in having them then? I agree getting a balanced audience is a nightmare but if you are going to have one it really has to be allowed to react to some extent.
For the party leaders to debate things between each other. A baying audience doesn't help.
I think he means what's the point in having them [the audience]?
Why not just have the two candidates and the moderator and a film crew, no audience, if you don't want audience engagement?
Afternoon all and on thread, I expect Grieve to be hammered even with the tacit support coming to him from the Liberals.
Separately I am glad to see someone else mentioned Jack W. Is he still alive and kicking, given that in 2017 he was at least 300 years of age! I too miss the musings from his very talented arse. I have to say though that given the current range of polling, his arse might very well be in a permanent state of expulsion!
Half an hour of tonight's program is going to be about Brexit apparently. I am not entirely sure that is enough time for Jeremy to explain his policy.
I think one thing that was affect the format is if ITV have the audience silent like they have sometimes in the past, or if they make a noise. If the latter, Corbyn may get laughed at. And that’s terminal.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't think the audience should be laughing, cheering, booing or whatever.
So what's the point in having them then? I agree getting a balanced audience is a nightmare but if you are going to have one it really has to be allowed to react to some extent.
For the party leaders to debate things between each other. A baying audience doesn't help.
I think he means what's the point in having them [the audience]?
Why not just have the two candidates and the moderator and a film crew, no audience, if you don't want audience engagement?
Half an hour of tonight's program is going to be about Brexit apparently. I am not entirely sure that is enough time for Jeremy to explain his policy.
I think one thing that was affect the format is if ITV have the audience silent like they have sometimes in the past, or if they make a noise. If the latter, Corbyn may get laughed at. And that’s terminal.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't think the audience should be laughing, cheering, booing or whatever.
So what's the point in having them then? I agree getting a balanced audience is a nightmare but if you are going to have one it really has to be allowed to react to some extent.
For the party leaders to debate things between each other. A baying audience doesn't help.
I think he means what's the point in having them [the audience]?
Why not just have the two candidates and the moderator and a film crew, no audience, if you don't want audience engagement?
It’ll be because they want the questions to come “from the audience”. It also adds that extra bit of jeopardy as the two leaders scramble to write down the name of the person who’s asking a question, and panic when it’s one they can’t pronounce.
Half an hour of tonight's program is going to be about Brexit apparently. I am not entirely sure that is enough time for Jeremy to explain his policy.
I think one thing that was affect the format is if ITV have the audience silent like they have sometimes in the past, or if they make a noise. If the latter, Corbyn may get laughed at. And that’s terminal.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't think the audience should be laughing, cheering, booing or whatever.
So what's the point in having them then? I agree getting a balanced audience is a nightmare but if you are going to have one it really has to be allowed to react to some extent.
They could applaud politely when someone says something they agree with. If you watch Question Time from the first few years of its existence, that's how the audience used to behave.
I think Grieve will lose by a large margin. not even second. This is a safe seat. One of the problems is that too many MPs, like Grieve and Hammond and Letwin and Gauke, thought that 66% of voters in a place like Beaconsfield voted personally for them and not just for the blue rosette. I will be surprised if the Conservatives dont take more than 66% this time. Johnson is a much better campaigner than May, UKIP is gone (effectively), and remember that last time Grieve was on a Leave ticket and most Conservatives in the Home Counties are Leave. this time as well the chaos of Corbyn and the risk of his winning is quite galvanising for all us Tories. So it would be good to have a market on more than 66%. if the Conservatives dont do better here than in 2017. it means the Johnson message of get this nonsense over with and get on with life and avoid Corbyn/LD chaos has not resonated as strongly as I feel it has so far in this campaign (much better than 2017). I think one argument you are hearing from the Conservatives is the last few months of a weak May/Bercow/Benn +assorted minor parties 'government' and Corbyn refusing to take responsibility for anything is what you will get more of if you dont hand Johnson a big majority. we just saw what happens when Labour, the SNP, and the LDs get together and try to govern. I think most people hid their eyes in shame.
The recurrent theme of voter replies this time when canvassing, time and time again is how much they detest those who have delayed Brext for 3 1/2 f**king years, be they Rory Stewart, Tim Farron or Dominic Grieve - who they revile even more than Bercow. Doesn't look good for Dominic !
I’ve been looking back at the 2017 polls and it is striking that although I recall them showing a consistent high Tory lead through to polling day, that’s actually not the case. Even with the Yougov methodology change, the result was there in and around the data.
The Tory share was actually very slightly understated by the final polls. The main mistake they made was underestimating Labour by about 4% and overestimating UKIP and the Greens.
Like the report commissioned by the Democrats from Christopher Steele into Trump/Russia ties? Or Schiff lobbying for military action after taking money from defence cevidence. Very bizarre. The Dems are clearly out to get him, which to me smells of wanting to get their strike in before the hammer hits them (FISA abuse report)
You are such a fan of the Donald!
I dont mind him, I loathe the corrupt Democrats though. Hillary is an out and out crook. I see her foundation just 'lost' 16.8 million dollars
It's end
Not at all concerned about the "behind closed doors" conversations with Vlad?
Not really. I'm sure most governments have behind closed doors conversations most of the time.
That was unprecedented
Fair enough but I dont find it particularly worrying. If hed come out and announced russian troops would be based in Alaska then yeah it would have been concerning. I find the hatred of him interesting. I mean I have a pathological loathing of the Clintons so I'm not one to talk but its fascinating how polarising he is
My hatred of Hillary perhaps colours my view but she'll be doing bird before him imo. Theres something deeply disturbing about the Clintons for me
On what evidence? Has she been charged with something?
Evidence of them being deeply disturbing? Their friends, the people that worked or work for them, the mysteriously deleted emails, Benghazi, the smell of corruption that follows them about, Uranium One, Bill's speaking tour of Russia at the same time. That she will do bird before him? My opinion is Durhams investigation (which is now confirmed to be a criminal investigation) will open the flood gates on the previous administration and that Clinton will get swept up in it. As it stands she of course has no chance of doing time as she is not charged with any crime. Nor, as it stands, is Trump.
Of course, there are no "mysteriously deleted emails", if you bothered to inform yourself even slightly you would know this
33,000 emails that were on Clinton's private server no longer are. Dont get all ad hom on me just because I dont fit your worldview sunshine. Edit - and were bleach bitted just after a subpoena for emails about Benghazi was issued. Of course theres nothing suss about that at all.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Speaking of audience participation, growing up in Australia the debates between the Liberal and Labour leaders each election were accompanied by "the worm" which was shown on screen. The audience typically remained quiet but would change a dial to show how they liked what was being said which would produce the "worm" on screen. Was always quite interesting.
I believe "the worm" was involved in at least one of 2010 debates [but not live IIRC] but I don't think we've seen it since have we?
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Last night I noted that the Guardian website had nothing prominent on them, the Times nothing, the Mail one very small article surrounded by loads of Airmiles Andy and I'm a Celeb.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
I wonder if there is a link between viewing figures for the debates and GE turnout
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
I wonder if there is a link between viewing figures for the debates and GE turnout
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
I wonder if there is a link between viewing figures for the debates and GE turnout
Inverse corrolation so far it seems from our limited experience.
Afternoon all and on thread, I expect Grieve to be hammered even with the tacit support coming to him from the Liberals.
Separately I am glad to see someone else mentioned Jack W. Is he still alive and kicking, given that in 2017 he was at least 300 years of age! I too miss the musings from his very talented arse. I have to say though that given the current range of polling, his arse might very well be in a permanent state of expulsion!
He has been on kind of off and on for short periods. Not seen him on for a bit but not heard anything to say anything wrong.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Does anyone think Boris has anything to gain from the debates, all i can see is him losing ground
As has been mentioned the people likely to watch are the relatively politically engaged, so the danger for both is more realistically putting off your own voters rather than gaining undecideds.
That is something both of them are quite capable of.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
If, after 9 years of Tory evil, the electorate are not enthused to be rid of them I suggest Labour are heading for the ladies by the docks
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite surreal
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
Does anyone think Boris has anything to gain from the debates, all i can see is him losing ground
Credibility for having done them unlike May. He's already gained before they start.
Very true, however i feel he would have been better fighting for Swinson to compete, If only to split the labour vote
I think the lib dem vote will benefit from her not attending. Though that doesn't take into account that they've decided to spend their limited coverage on complaining about it
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite surreal
Labour have placards out but the greens and LD here not a jot yet. Weird.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
No thanks
Sure...they have lots of lovely bar charts and photos of Jo :-)
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
The LibDem deluge approach works with some. With many though, it just provokes "Fuck off, "Prime Minister" Jo Swinson."
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
The LibDem deluge approach works with some. With many though, it just provokes "Fuck off, "Prime Minister" Jo Swinson."
Shall we put you down as a maybe?
Maybe half a dozen leaflets will change your mind?
Where he will receive a pardon for everything in return for the rest of the dirt he has on the dems
Assange would not have had to wait 7 years if he faced justice after credible accusations of sd just show how far the US has fallen in terms of the rule of law. The current presidency is the most crooked in history, easily surpassing Nixon.
In what sfo apparently. The rot in America runs right through the Democrats and parts ot actual corruption?
Trump ""University" - fraud Public money being spent at Trump hotels etc - corrupf passing laws and regulations which directly help him and his super-rich friends. And massive conflicts of interest. and so on
Apart from that it's not just "I don't like him" he's an actual white supremacist, climate-crisis denier, but if another Republican had won (Ted Cruz anyone?) they would probably have been just as bad. Your point about "due process" is rubbish, the House is investigating, if it goes to trial in the Senate due process will apply.
As for Clinton using a private email server for her government emails, it shows her willingness to think that rules don't apply to her, and reflects badly on her character, but is hardly evidence of corruption (though she may well be corrupt).
All sounds standard fayre for US politics. How rich has Pelosi got out of being in politics? His climate stance is an abvidence for it and it was never associated with him as a very public figure in the 40 years before he stood. I struggle to see where he is any worse than any other US president or politician all of whom get very rich out of being in Washington. And as long as he hates Hillary the crook I'll back him over her any day of the week.
Can you clarify please?
Are you saying she is a crook and he isn't? Or are you saying he's a bigger and therefore better crook?
On which grounds do you find him preferable?
No I'm saying I despise the Clintons and their corruption. Trump I just consider to be your run of the mill, get rich and acrew everyone else, politician like the rest of the US Washington appens over there.
Clearly the 17 point was an outlier. 40 / 30 seems much more realistic. When you start talking mid 40's for the Tories, I just don't buy it.
Instead of looking at individual polls I think it's best to use the average, which continues to be about 42% to 29% after today's polls.
What I meant to say was I think 40 / 30 is more realistic result as things stand. Perhaps Tories will squeeze out 42, Labour might get stuck on 30, they might be able to squeeze a bit more (although surely the Lib Dems can't remain as invisible as this).
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
If, after 9 years of Tory evil, the electorate are not enthused to be rid of them I suggest Labour are heading for the ladies by the docks
I guess the Tiries would prefer the polls to settle in the 9 to 10 percent lead area, gives an incentive to vote. 18 percent and 'its all over' sets in
It'll be interesting to see the overlap between people who revel in this hacking and those that got so worked up about the news of the world hacking phones.
There is a presumption of privacy regarding the contents of your mobile's answering machine. There is no presumption of privacy regarding tweets.
Obviously I haven't looked at the Arron Banks direct messages, but those that have seem quite surprised by the degree of palliness between the Guardian's acerbic Marina Hyde, beloved of Remainers everywhere, and Arron Banks.
I guess the Tiries would prefer the polls to settle in the 9 to 10 percent lead area, gives an incentive to vote. 18 percent and 'its all over' sets in
Yes, the Tories are paradoxically more likely to hold seats like Wimbledon and Wokingham vs the LDs if there's a chance of Corbyn entering Downing Street.
Does anyone think Boris has anything to gain from the debates, all i can see is him losing ground
Credibility for having done them unlike May. He's already gained before they start.
Very true, however i feel he would have been better fighting for Swinson to compete, If only to split the labour vote
I think the lib dem vote will benefit from her not attending. Though that doesn't take into account that they've decided to spend their limited coverage on complaining about it
I think Jo Kate Swinson is being successfully inspired by her middle initial at present.
The "we are an inclusive" party is not working when she is so keen to exclude people.
Clearly the 17 point was an outlier. 40 / 30 seems much more realistic. When you start talking mid 40's for the Tories, I just don't buy it.
A ten-point lead is pretty much identical to the one at the same stage in 2017.
As in 2017, we have wide disparities between the leads reported in different polls - larger than they should be on the basis of just sampling error.
I don't remember a "Eureka" moment when the pollsters realised what had gone wrong in 2017 and corrected it.
The trend is very different to 2017 though.
Thankfully!
I will be genuinely glad when this GE is over, provided Jezza doesn't win. I am not fan of Bonking Boris, but the far left dangerous bollocks spouted especially from McDonnell gives me sleepness nights.
The Lib Dems will be very relieved with the Kantar poll showing them on 16% .
At what point does their messaging go to “do you trust the Tories with a massive majority “.
Yes, but I'd like to see more polls with us over 15% before I get too excited. I'd happily take 15% at this point - essentially a doubling of our 2017 showing. 15% might not seem very ambitious but it would be heady stuff coming from where we were.
Clearly the 17 point was an outlier. 40 / 30 seems much more realistic. When you start talking mid 40's for the Tories, I just don't buy it.
A ten-point lead is pretty much identical to the one at the same stage in 2017.
As in 2017, we have wide disparities between the leads reported in different polls - larger than they should be on the basis of just sampling error.
I don't remember a "Eureka" moment when the pollsters realised what had gone wrong in 2017 and corrected it.
The trend is very different to 2017 though.
Thankfully!
I will be genuinely glad when this GE is over, provided Jezza doesn't win. I am not fan of Bonking Boris, but the far left dangerous bollocks spouted especially from McDonnell gives me sleepness nights.
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
The LibDem deluge approach works with some. With many though, it just provokes "Fuck off, "Prime Minister" Jo Swinson."
Shall we put you down as a maybe?
Maybe half a dozen leaflets will change your mind?
Clearly the 17 point was an outlier. 40 / 30 seems much more realistic. When you start talking mid 40's for the Tories, I just don't buy it.
A ten-point lead is pretty much identical to the one at the same stage in 2017.
As in 2017, we have wide disparities between the leads reported in different polls - larger than they should be on the basis of just sampling error.
I don't remember a "Eureka" moment when the pollsters realised what had gone wrong in 2017 and corrected it.
The trend is very different to 2017 though.
Thankfully!
I will be genuinely glad when this GE is over, provided Jezza doesn't win. I am not fan of Bonking Boris, but the far left dangerous bollocks spouted especially from McDonnell gives me sleepness nights.
Wait til we see their manifesto....
This is the sort of crap they're saying when they want to win votes and not scare the horses. Imagine what they'd do in a budget given free reign if they managed to do so?
Or have a rainbow coalition all demanding pork for their own interests?
It will be see how well viewed these debates are. I think the originals ones in 2010 got 10+ million. I think by 2017, it was down to 4 million. This time around I have literally spoken to nobody who has brought them up, at least last time there had been all the May won't do them, will they put a tub of lard there instead stories for weeks leading up to it.
In previous campaigns, the debates have been the lead story on the TV news and BBC News website etc for 3 days - the day before, actual day and day after each debate.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
Anecdata: I've seen no evidence this election has yet caught the imagination of the voter in the street. Maybe the debate will light some fireworks.
Throughout my village and into Llandudno Town Centre not one poster or even any indication a GE is taking place. Quite sureal
Do you want to swap...my letterbox is getting stuffed with Lib Dem propaganda again after a brief 2 day lull.
The LibDem deluge approach works with some. With many though, it just provokes "Fuck off, "Prime Minister" Jo Swinson."
Shall we put you down as a maybe?
Maybe half a dozen leaflets will change your mind?
It'll be interesting to see the overlap between people who revel in this hacking and those that got so worked up about the news of the world hacking phones.
There is a presumption of privacy regarding the contents of your mobile's answering machine. There is no presumption of privacy regarding tweets.
Aren't these direct messages (private) though? If tweets no need to hack as already public.
Obviously I haven't looked at the Arron Banks direct messages, but those that have seem quite surprised by the degree of palliness between the Guardian's acerbic Marina Hyde, beloved of Remainers everywhere, and Arron Banks.
One of the reasons why I get so irate at the "Leavers are poor people/Remainers are metropolitan elite" meme is that both sides were run by extraordinarily wealthy individuals and should be better expressed as a civil war between two sides of the elite. I am not in the least bit surprised by the friendship you describe.
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To be fair - he sold LP seats and today took a trading bet againt the CP. (Though I suppose you could argue that both these are pro-LD bets!)
Why not just have the two candidates and the moderator and a film crew, no audience, if you don't want audience engagement?
Separately I am glad to see someone else mentioned Jack W. Is he still alive and kicking, given that in 2017 he was at least 300 years of age! I too miss the musings from his very talented arse. I have to say though that given the current range of polling, his arse might very well be in a permanent state of expulsion!
Which I guess is why Bookies are rich.
But I am calling it now.
The majority of viewers will consider the best potential PM to be Julie Etchingham.
Berwickshire Roxburgh and Selkirk at 1/2 was criminal.
Edit - and were bleach bitted just after a subpoena for emails about Benghazi was issued. Of course theres nothing suss about that at all.
Now is not the time to attempt a statesmanlike approach, for the sake of my bank balance.
Well today it's nowhere near the main story on the BBC News website with just three hours to go.
OK, this debate is on ITV but that didn't stop the BBC last time.
No question it is much, much less prominent than before.
I believe "the worm" was involved in at least one of 2010 debates [but not live IIRC] but I don't think we've seen it since have we?
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That is something both of them are quite capable of.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1196835559836200960
Maybe I should start donating to parties I don't like?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7700887/Voters-like-Jo-Swinson-according-new-poll.html
Shall we put you down as a maybe?
Not really a Corbyn surge, I'm afraid.
I hope 43/31
There is no presumption of privacy regarding tweets.
The "we are an inclusive" party is not working when she is so keen to exclude people.
Where is going good for Labour?
As in 2017, we have wide disparities between the leads reported in different polls - larger than they should be on the basis of just sampling error.
I don't remember a "Eureka" moment when the pollsters realised what had gone wrong in 2017 and corrected it.
Courtesy of RobD:
https://imgur.com/A3iD3GQ
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/19/jo-swinson-warns-dangers-fake-news-story-attacking-squirrels/
I'm not sure drawing attention to this is the right approach, tbh...
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/this-hunter-s-thompson-passage-is-particularly-poignant-in-light-of-that-david-cameron-and-the-pig-10510787.html
Though it also reminds me of the 'He blows goats' cards in Wayne's World.
Oh, you mean, daily, right ?
Or have a rainbow coalition all demanding pork for their own interests?