Not convinced about the reliability of constituency polls at all and even less so that further squeeze automatically follows. Labour voters can be very tribal even with no hope and Tory voters who voted Remain as I did - fear Jeremy Corbyn much more than Brexit.
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People really should use a password manager these days. Keepass is free. And let them generate very long random strings of characters.
Any password that contains just contains combinations of words (or common names) in the English language with some numbers is very easy for people to crack these days.
>Labour will also promise a revolution in the labour market by introducing sectoral collective bargaining, promising a 32-hour working week by 2030 — albeit voluntary — and banning zero-hours contracts.
So actually quite moderate again. Interesting.
Sectoral collective bargaining isn't moderate.
I don’t even know how you get there from the current status quo where many (most?) people are not in unions.
I’m a union rep (though very definitely don’t fund Labour) and regularly see the benefits of collective bargaining in an employer; but there won’t be many sectors where unions can argue for the same “buy in” for the whole sector as with an employer in which they are recognised.
They can in the public sector.
Which is the point, really. This policy and the working directive appears to be a function of Labour’s support being almost entirely public sector where such things as short working, working from home and sectoral bargaining are normal. In the private sector, where they have almost entirely disappeared after Wapping in 1986, they will simply be laughed at.
Working from home is now pretty much normal in large chunks of the private sector as well. And I guess it's almost nonexistent amongst large sections of the public sector, eg health and education. The idea that collective bargaining could be imposed on the financial and professional services sectors is completely bonkers.
“Great news! We’ve negotiated a 7% deal over two years for all financial services staff! The Gvt has guaranteed it will apply to all staff in all firms by law. This a major victory for all call centre and branch staff”.
“But I’m an analyst on the trading side”.
“So?”
“I’ll send you a postcard from Zurich”.
We’ll need to see what “ sectoral collective bargaining” actually means. But note that under the ECHR no-one can be forced to join a union if they don’t want to.
Lib Dems down to 14% in both the Opinium and Comres polls.
I’m sticking to my prediction they’ll be lucky to poll 12% come the GE.
Do you expect something of a localised surge then? Back to the 2000s days?
I think the Lib Dems need to put all their resources into fewer seats . I do hope Labour voters will really think before they vote in Lib Dem v Tory marginals.
And in some seats Labour shouldn’t bother campaigning. They need to be realists , if they split the vote the Tories are going to hold on in many of those seats .
The problem is, what are Lib Dem/Tory marginals then? None of these were Lib Dem/Tory marginals in the last election.
It makes it a lot harder to vote tactically.
There are only 11 seats in which Con and LD came 1st and 2nd in either order and the majority was less than 10%. There are 59 with Con-Lab or Lab-Con where the majority was less than 5%, including 29 where it was less than 2%.
I just can't get my head around the Tories just having a shocking week, all the news bad for them, no real policies of their own (I don't include planting some trees as a policy) and still rising in the polls.
I highly doubt the amusing tea making habits of Boris or shit posting a photoshopped picture of a bus gets you 6% rise in the polls.
At what point do we conclude that this is like most elections where the campaign makes very little difference and parties finish within sight of where they started with 2017 being very much an exception?
We've not even had the rest of tonight's crop of polls yet.
I've this horrible sinking feeling that Opinium will be an outlier, and the Labour numbers will otherwise be continuing to head upwards...
Yougov is usually quite good for the Tories but I doubt that they will match the Opinium lead. Still if Labour don't actually close the gap in any of the polls tonight they just might start to panic.
I just can't get my head around the Tories just having a shocking week, all the news bad for them, no real policies of their own (I don't include planting some trees as a policy) and still rising in the polls.
The Farage announcement was probably the week's most significant event.
At what point do we conclude that this is like most elections where the campaign makes very little difference and parties finish within sight of where they started with 2017 being very much an exception?
We've not even had the rest of tonight's crop of polls yet.
I've this horrible sinking feeling that Opinium will be an outlier, and the Labour numbers will otherwise be continuing to head upwards...
Yougov is usually quite good for the Tories but I doubt that they will match the Opinium lead. Still if Labour don't actually close the gap in any of the polls tonight they just might start to panic.
More free stuff incoming....I can't wait for this socialist utopia, only having to work half a week and everything being free.
At what point do we conclude that this is like most elections where the campaign makes very little difference and parties finish within sight of where they started with 2017 being very much an exception?
We've not even had the rest of tonight's crop of polls yet.
I've this horrible sinking feeling that Opinium will be an outlier, and the Labour numbers will otherwise be continuing to head upwards...
Yougov is usually quite good for the Tories but I doubt that they will match the Opinium lead. Still if Labour don't actually close the gap in any of the polls tonight they just might start to panic.
I just can't get my head around the Tories just having a shocking week, all the news bad for them, no real policies of their own (I don't include planting some trees as a policy) and still rising in the polls.
I highly doubt the amusing tea making habits of Boris or shit posting a photoshopped picture of a bus gets you 6% rise in the polls.
I just can't get my head around the Tories just having a shocking week, all the news bad for them, no real policies of their own (I don't include planting some trees as a policy) and still rising in the polls.
I highly doubt the amusing tea making habits of Boris or shit posting a photoshopped picture of a bus gets you 6% rise in the polls.
Corbophobia in action? Or just statistical noise?
6% rise is more than noise. And we are seeing it in all the polls tonight.
I just can't get my head around the Tories just having a shocking week, all the news bad for them, no real policies of their own (I don't include planting some trees as a policy) and still rising in the polls.
I highly doubt the amusing tea making habits of Boris or shit posting a photoshopped picture of a bus gets you 6% rise in the polls.
I think as some people on here who have been canvassing have mentioned, many people paying any attention right now have already made up their minds.
You what you what...Can I just say now, we will be having another polling inquiry in the new year. The Tories just aren't going to get 45% of the vote, they just aren't.
At what point do we conclude that this is like most elections where the campaign makes very little difference and parties finish within sight of where they started with 2017 being very much an exception?
We've not even had the rest of tonight's crop of polls yet.
I've this horrible sinking feeling that Opinium will be an outlier, and the Labour numbers will otherwise be continuing to head upwards...
Yougov is usually quite good for the Tories but I doubt that they will match the Opinium lead. Still if Labour don't actually close the gap in any of the polls tonight they just might start to panic.
Expect the manifesto to be a cavalcade of free stuff.
The blue collar voting intention...that's the danger for the Tories. Does anybody honestly believe nearly half the working class are going to vote Tory. Honestly. Flat cap Fred from Workington. We had this with May and come election day they just couldn't do it.
Brex on 9% here, plenty more for the Tories to squeeze.
Long way to go to polling day though. The GE is still 4 weeks away and as someone once said a week is a long time in politics.
Probably can confidently say they'll be on 40% with this lot then next week.
Not a great week for Labour despite a couple of difficult Tory headlines, they haven’t closed the gap at all. Will be hoping to close the gap by 2% or more in the next week or they’re in a fair bit of trouble. That Tory vote share keeps climbing.
You what you what...Can I just say now, we will be having another polling inquiry in the new year. The Tories just aren't going to get 45% of the vote, they just aren't.
I don't believe it either, albeit that anything that shows Labour sticking around 30% and a long way behind pleases me.
But there's still a month to go. Labour have plenty of time left to close the gap.
Comparable to the yarmuka would be the kufi or the hijab not the burqa.
Agreed. Also comparable - basically the same garment as the hijab - is the wimple. How on earth French law or policy might ban the hijab without also banning the wimple I can't imagine.
Isn't the Fench ban on facial veiling, not headscarves? Even the Queen wears a headscarf.
They are discussing banning headscarves in schools at the moment.
Are you permitted to wear hats in school?
No, at schools you just get boards.
There needs to be a cap on these rules.
It would be too much tassel.
They have beanie far to much trouble. Trump wants a fedora law against them.
The blue collar voting intention...that's the danger for the Tories. Does anybody honestly believe nearly half the working class are going to vote Tory. Honestly. Flat cap Fred from Workington. We had this with May and come election day they just couldn't do it.
So on current polling, the party taking the biggest hit is the one with no big errors and a vaguely sensible economic policy?
I think this is still Phoney War time. Manifestos and debates still to come.
Quick get JRM out of hiding to say something insensitive about the students in Bolton and defend Prince Andrew....Tories will break 50% by this time next week if he does.
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Why are the LDs running such an awful campaign? Jo Swinson seems to be invisible. I'm disappointed because I thought they might have put up a better fight against the Tories, given that Labour have an unelectable leader IMO.
IS it possible that the more Corbyn promises, the more people disbelieve him given they are clearly nonsensical and purely designed to buy votes, and turn away from Labour as a result?
Otherwise I am struggling to make sense of these polls.
The blue collar voting intention...that's the danger for the Tories. Does anybody honestly believe nearly half the working class are going to vote Tory. Honestly. Flat cap Fred from Workington. We had this with May and come election day they just couldn't do it.
Boris is loved by the white working class
Why should a posh Etonion clown be loved by them? I dont know?
Why should a NYC billionaire be loved by the rust belt? That is the question the left needs to answer and fast.
A tentative hypothesis. Labour got more publicity this week and tended to set the agenda. That exposure added votes both against and for in the ratio of two to one.
Cripes....as Boris might say. Tories stretching their lead. It just feels wrong.
Given it is 5 weeks from the previous poll that feels correct. It’s the regular polls where you might expect there to be little change or Labour closing the gap. That 37% feels far too low for the Tories and at the same time Labour should be above 30% IMO.
At what point do we conclude that this is like most elections where the campaign makes very little difference and parties finish within sight of where they started with 2017 being very much an exception?
We've not even had the rest of tonight's crop of polls yet.
I've this horrible sinking feeling that Opinium will be an outlier, and the Labour numbers will otherwise be continuing to head upwards...
Yougov is usually quite good for the Tories but I doubt that they will match the Opinium lead. Still if Labour don't actually close the gap in any of the polls tonight they just might start to panic.
Is it possible the Tory “new” voters, many of which may be ex-Labour or non-voters, are simply less reliable, for the same reasons they always were, and are thus inflating their lead?
You what you what...Can I just say now, we will be having another polling inquiry in the new year. The Tories just aren't going to get 45% of the vote, they just aren't.
I don't believe it either, albeit that anything that shows Labour sticking around 30% and a long way behind pleases me.
But there's still a month to go. Labour have plenty of time left to close the gap.
Come on Black_Rook, even you can't be a misery about these numbers! This is after Boris scorned the flooded Yorkshiremen, locked the OAPs out of A and E, after Labour promised something hugely popular be made absolutely free to all...
It's just possible the Corbyn magic is weakening. If he gets found out the way May did, well...
Pb Passwords. From this incident report, it looks like Vanilla was vulnerable to a data leak. For that reason, pb-ers who reset their password to be the same as the old one should change it asap (as well as not use it on other sites). https://status.vanillaforums.com/incidents/2zdqxf3bt7mj
I now couldn’t use the same password as I didn’t write it down. My phone remembers though. It has a much better memory than me. It’s also better at recognising faces. And doing calculations.
IS it possible that the more Corbyn promises, the more people disbelieve him given they are clearly nonsensical and purely designed to buy votes, and turn away from Labour as a result?
Otherwise I am struggling to make sense of these polls.
Some of the focus group have picked this up, where people have said I quite like the idea of the policy but those two commie ones I don't trust to not screw everything up.
But on the flip side, there has also been, well I don't believe they will actually manage to do half this stuff, but arhhh f##k it what the worst that could happen, we won't turn into a communist country*.
* Somebody actually said that in a focus group this week.
Why are the LDs running such an awful campaign? Jo Swinson seems to be invisible. I'm disappointed because I thought they might have put up a better fight against the Tories, given that Labour have an unelectable leader IMO.
They need to do better IMO.
Otherwise the risk is Remainers sniff out that they have no choice but to rally round Corbyn’s Labour.
Looking at the disbelief comments at some of the polls tonight is interesting. Maybe a reminder is needed that London/Twitter yes and even PB are perhaps not the real world. Of course any of these polls could be way out by Dec 12th.... or not. Maybe Jo Public has really made its mind up about Corbyn.
You what you what...Can I just say now, we will be having another polling inquiry in the new year. The Tories just aren't going to get 45% of the vote, they just aren't.
I don't believe it either, albeit that anything that shows Labour sticking around 30% and a long way behind pleases me.
But there's still a month to go. Labour have plenty of time left to close the gap.
You're becoming slightly tiresome.
You're either a troll or you need to go and do some historical reading up.
IS it possible that the more Corbyn promises, the more people disbelieve him given they are clearly nonsensical and purely designed to buy votes, and turn away from Labour as a result?
Otherwise I am struggling to make sense of these polls.
There's a law of diminishing returns regarding spending promises.
I really struggle to believe the LDs are doing that badly and the Tories that well.
Something doesn’t smell right.
Why would people be shy of admitting to voting LD? Most remainers are very vocal about their opposition to Brexit etc and there is nothing really toxic about them if that is the side of the aisle you sit.
IS it possible that the more Corbyn promises, the more people disbelieve him given they are clearly nonsensical and purely designed to buy votes, and turn away from Labour as a result?
Otherwise I am struggling to make sense of these polls.
What's very different from 2017 is that back then, May and Corbyn were largely unknown quantities. This time, a lot more people know about Johnson and Corbyn. It would take something quite spectacular to radically alter the views of most people. Subconsciously, I reckon a lot of people have made up their minds and they are just starting to be more honest with the pollsters.
I really struggle to believe the LDs are doing that badly and the Tories that well.
Something doesn’t smell right.
Another thought is, with the Liberal Democrats standing down in several seats, it is possible that their voters in those seats are drifting to the Tories. That would be ironic, but it would also be predictable given the kind of voters the Oranges have been collecting recently. These are people who would vote Liberal Democrat but not vote Green. If they wanted to vote Green, they would already have done so.
And it may have hit their standing and credibility in other seats as well. Now it could have concentrated minds of those with money or sense that to stop Corbyn, Johnson is the only game in town.
I will admit my view may be tinged by the fact this is the dilemma I am wrestling with at the moment.
The blue collar voting intention...that's the danger for the Tories. Does anybody honestly believe nearly half the working class are going to vote Tory. Honestly. Flat cap Fred from Workington. We had this with May and come election day they just couldn't do it.
Except that the tendency of many voters in the lower socio-economic groups to break for the Tories has always been downplayed. The Conservatives' problems with the working class vote are about more specific groups - such as the BAME vote, working age people who are largely or wholly dependent on benefits, and voters in ex-mining areas who have a particularly strong cultural aversion to the Conservatives - than the C2DEs in general. White Van Man was a foundation stone of Thatcher's victories.
Beyond that, look at the leadership approval ratings...
Why are the LDs running such an awful campaign? Jo Swinson seems to be invisible. I'm disappointed because I thought they might have put up a better fight against the Tories, given that Labour have an unelectable leader IMO.
They need to do better IMO.
Otherwise the risk is Remainers sniff out that they have no choice but to rally round Corbyn’s Labour.
They seem to be doing pretty well in the constituency polling, which is at least something.
You what you what...Can I just say now, we will be having another polling inquiry in the new year. The Tories just aren't going to get 45% of the vote, they just aren't.
Why so surprised? The British are extremely reluctant to trust someone again after they've been "found out" - the last time an election loser contested another GE was Kinnock in 1992. How did that work out for him?
Labour should have gotten rid of Corbyn after GE2017. By late 2019, the freshness has gone and is beginning to resemble old-man-armpit...
Lib Dems at 11% - but where have their votes gone. Not to Labour
Tories it looks like. All this talk of Labour largesse is frightening the prosperous liberals back to the blue column.
Yes, Lib Dems in places like Wimbledon and Putney may like to joke and gossip about the prospect of Corbyn and McDonnell being in power but when it actually might happen in reality they're probably thinking about voting Tory in the privacy of the polling booth.
@FrancisUrquhart Lol I don't think ANY polls will satisfy you right now.
Tory lead grows - Don't believe it, will workington working man stay with us ? Labour closes the gap to 8% - Omg, can't believe it Lab closing fast; brown trouser time.
Why are the LDs running such an awful campaign? Jo Swinson seems to be invisible. I'm disappointed because I thought they might have put up a better fight against the Tories, given that Labour have an unelectable leader IMO.
They need to do better IMO.
Otherwise the risk is Remainers sniff out that they have no choice but to rally round Corbyn’s Labour.
I wonder whether there's an element of some who were Remainers giving up on stopping Brexit and thinking "fuck it, it was voted for afterall and now its going to happen so may as well get on with it".
Why are the LDs running such an awful campaign? Jo Swinson seems to be invisible. I'm disappointed because I thought they might have put up a better fight against the Tories, given that Labour have an unelectable leader IMO.
It seems that annoying primary school teacher is no more successful than senile old dodderer, trendy vicar and mendacious eurocrat were.
Boris is getting the absolute boy vote combined with the 50 shades of grey vote. I can see a final 42 30 14 run in and an inverted 97 result with SNP cleaning up in Scotland
@FrancisUrquhart Lol I don't think ANY polls will satisfy you right now.
Tory lead grows - Don't believe it, will workington working man stay with us ? Labour closes the gap to 8% - Omg, can't believe it Lab closing fast; brown trouser time.
No I can believe the later, hence the brown trousers...the former, I really really don't get it.
@FrancisUrquhart Lol I don't think ANY polls will satisfy you right now.
Tory lead grows - Don't believe it, will workington working man stay with us ? Labour closes the gap to 8% - Omg, can't believe it Lab closing fast; brown trouser time.
At what point do we conclude that this is like most elections where the campaign makes very little difference and parties finish within sight of where they started with 2017 being very much an exception?
Not yet obviously, its far too early, but after the leadership debates? Because if that day comes the spreads are going to move majorly and there is going to be a lot of money to be made.
In general you'd expect the campaigns to make little difference because you'd expect both campaigns to have roughly the same level of competence with experience of fighting elections and money to buy reasonably good advice.
So unless one side or the other drops a clanger, as in 2017, then this would follow the normal pattern.
What I think we've seen is that much of the election campaign happened before the election was decided upon, and Johnson successfully gathered Leave support, while the Renaissance of the Lib Dems was strong enough to damage Labour, but not strong enough to pass the tipping point to supplant them as best placed to stop Johnson.
Clangers aside, the only outstanding question is how anti-Johnson voters react in the final days of the campaign if the inevitability of Johnson's victory becomes obvious and generally accepted. Will they act in desperation to prevent it? Will they give up on tactical voting as futile? Will recriminations about inevitable defeat dissuade anti-Johnson voters from bothering to vote?
I really struggle to believe the LDs are doing that badly and the Tories that well.
Something doesn’t smell right.
Another thought is, with the Liberal Democrats standing down in several seats, it is possible that their voters in those seats are drifting to the Tories. That would be ironic, but it would also be predictable given the kind of voters the Oranges have been collecting recently. These are people who would vote Liberal Democrat but not vote Green. If they wanted to vote Green, they would already have done so.
And it may have hit their standing and credibility in other seats as well. Now it could have concentrated minds of those with money or sense that to stop Corbyn, Johnson is the only game in town.
I will admit my view may be tinged by the fact this is the dilemma I am wrestling with at the moment.
I’ve been surprised myself at several centrist Remainer Tory friends who haven’t been seriously tempted by the LDs (when I thought they would) and have made their peace with Johnson.
I really struggle to believe the LDs are doing that badly and the Tories that well.
Something doesn’t smell right.
Another thought is, with the Liberal Democrats standing down in several seats, it is possible that their voters in those seats are drifting to the Tories. That would be ironic, but it would also be predictable given the kind of voters the Oranges have been collecting recently. These are people who would vote Liberal Democrat but not vote Green. If they wanted to vote Green, they would already have done so.
And it may have hit their standing and credibility in other seats as well. Now it could have concentrated minds of those with money or sense that to stop Corbyn, Johnson is the only game in town.
I will admit my view may be tinged by the fact this is the dilemma I am wrestling with at the moment.
The Remain Alliance isn't a big enough thing to have depressed the Lib Dem vote nationwide. But you may well have a point about distressed centre-right soft Remain voters dumping them when they see who they've been treating with.
The Green Party at least is to the left of Labour. If the Lib Dems will get into bed with the Greens just to try to optimise the Remain vote, it is very easy to believe that they would prop up a Corbyn Government in exchange for a second referendum.
People disbelieving the polling is probably a good thing for Tory GOTV to be honest.
I guess the concern is people do a 2017 again and think well I either want to stop a big majority and / or it is safe to vote differently especially as I think my local candidate is actually ok.
Is that the sound of Labour rewriting their manifesto this evening to include UBI or something even more radical? The plebs don't think free internet is good enough, how about £1k a month each.
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Long way to go to polling day though. The GE is still 4 weeks away and as someone once said a week is a long time in politics.
Any password that contains just contains combinations of words (or common names) in the English language with some numbers is very easy for people to crack these days.
I highly doubt the amusing tea making habits of Boris or shit posting a photoshopped picture of a bus gets you 6% rise in the polls.
https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1195785481621032960?s=20
hmm.
Tories higher than 2017? 45%?
https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/1195805853397475328
I think this is still Phoney War time. Manifestos and debates still to come.
But there's still a month to go. Labour have plenty of time left to close the gap.
I use......I mean I never use that password......
Otherwise I am struggling to make sense of these polls.
I really struggle to believe the LDs are doing that badly and the Tories that well.
Something doesn’t smell right.
Why should a posh Etonion clown be loved by them? I dont know?
Why should a NYC billionaire be loved by the rust belt? That is the question the left needs to answer and fast.
1931!!!!!!
It's just possible the Corbyn magic is weakening. If he gets found out the way May did, well...
It’s also better at recognising faces.
And doing calculations.
What year is Skynet due?
Lib Dem trend is downwards - remainers going to Labour.
But on the flip side, there has also been, well I don't believe they will actually manage to do half this stuff, but arhhh f##k it what the worst that could happen, we won't turn into a communist country*.
* Somebody actually said that in a focus group this week.
Otherwise the risk is Remainers sniff out that they have no choice but to rally round Corbyn’s Labour.
You're either a troll or you need to go and do some historical reading up.
At least, I hope that's what's happening.
And it may have hit their standing and credibility in other seats as well. Now it could have concentrated minds of those with money or sense that to stop Corbyn, Johnson is the only game in town.
I will admit my view may be tinged by the fact this is the dilemma I am wrestling with at the moment.
Beyond that, look at the leadership approval ratings...
Labour should have gotten rid of Corbyn after GE2017. By late 2019, the freshness has gone and is beginning to resemble old-man-armpit...
This doesn’t make sense.
Tory lead grows - Don't believe it, will workington working man stay with us ?
Labour closes the gap to 8% - Omg, can't believe it Lab closing fast; brown trouser time.
I can see a final 42 30 14 run in and an inverted 97 result with SNP cleaning up in Scotland
LAB: 30% (+1)
LDEM: 11% (-5)
BREX: 6% (-)
Latest Delta Poll
Britain Elects
Corbyn is toxic.
UK voters are not marxists
UK voters may not always be interested in politics but they aren't fools and they arent gullible.
The polls are just showing what common sense and daily interaction suggest.
That's all you need to know.....
Well somebody is going to be very right and somebody is going to be very wrong...
So unless one side or the other drops a clanger, as in 2017, then this would follow the normal pattern.
What I think we've seen is that much of the election campaign happened before the election was decided upon, and Johnson successfully gathered Leave support, while the Renaissance of the Lib Dems was strong enough to damage Labour, but not strong enough to pass the tipping point to supplant them as best placed to stop Johnson.
Clangers aside, the only outstanding question is how anti-Johnson voters react in the final days of the campaign if the inevitability of Johnson's victory becomes obvious and generally accepted. Will they act in desperation to prevent it? Will they give up on tactical voting as futile? Will recriminations about inevitable defeat dissuade anti-Johnson voters from bothering to vote?
Westminster voting intention: CON: 45% (+3) LAB: 28% (-) LDEM: 15% (-) BREX: 4% (-) via
@YouGov
Chgs. w/ 12 Nov
The public are not stupid, they know the corbynomics are bad ideas
I do wonder if it’s the pre-2009 cameron effect - if Boris is on the telly he collects voters.
Its perfectly logical given the stated aims and leadership of the Opposition.
Sometimes the answer is the obvious one....
The Green Party at least is to the left of Labour. If the Lib Dems will get into bed with the Greens just to try to optimise the Remain vote, it is very easy to believe that they would prop up a Corbyn Government in exchange for a second referendum.
Slightly unexpectedly we have a winner for the night.