Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
The PM is very much a One Nation Conservative.
People should stop confusing One Nation with Remainer. They are not synonyms.
Yes, very much so. Similarly, there is often a lazy belief that dry as dust economically = socially conservative = Eurosceptic. And sometimes it does. But often it doesn't. Calling anyone Eurosceptic right-wing is confusing and unhelpful. There are members of all parties who fall into one of these categories.
Yes put me in that category. Bone dry economically, a real hater of debt, fairly socially conservative, and Europhile. There is no party where I neatly fit.
But every financial asset is someone else's debt. It's how the system works.
Up to an extent with banking, but not in equities.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Sorry that is wrong. The last 5 polls on wiki frommthis weekend give 12-13-12-10-8.
It isn't clearly anti-semitic. If you think it is, can you explain?
I never get tired of this classic. Even some otherwise very sensible people use it. Butpeople claiming it wasn't clearly anti-semitic should ask this chap about that:
Jeremy Corbyn has expressed "sincere regret" at failing to look more closely at an allegedly anti-Semitic mural in London before questioning its removal...
In a statement, Mr Corbyn said he had intended to make a "general comment" about the removal of public art on the grounds of freedom of speech.
He added: "I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.
Now, not everything Mr Corbyn says is true. But unless he was lying because he is weak, he at least thinks it was clearly anti-semitic since it was only because of poor attention that he did not spot that immediately. I think it highly unlikely he would defend himself on the grounds of poor attention being given if it was credible to use another defence.
I don't expect Corbyn was lying; perhaps misconceived, which is very different. I never get tired of this classic 'the mural was anti-semitic' with still no explanation as to why. (Corbyn's view of it being anti-semitic is not an explanation why). I'm happy to be illuminated otherwise if I'm misconceived and missed something?
How many candidates do we think UKIP will field in 2017 Conservative-won seats?
Gap in the market.....
I would think however willing they might be (and one of the stories on their website last week was a chap saying back the Boris deal, even though the official line was not to) their chaos and incompetence diminish their ability to. I suppose if any upset BXP candidates need a wagon to hitch to (or back to) at the last minute?
How many candidates do we think UKIP will field in 2017 Conservative-won seats?
Gap in the market.....
They don't have a leader and they don't have any money. Reckon they will stand fewer seats than the Yorkshire Party for sure, and maybe even fewer than Mebyon Kernow.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Comparing two graphs from completely different elections with completely different circumstances and pinning your electoral strategy on it is wishful thinking.
I haven't compared anything, thanks. Haven't looked at any graphs.
I'm just pointing out that with a month to go the tory lead seems to be in single figures.
Labour will take that quite happily right now.
Forgive me for saying so, but I do get the impression that tories are starting to get a bit jittery. I'm seeing it 'out there' and I'm seeing it on this site.
It does not appear to be in single figures.
You may want to blindside yourself to it but as Sunhil says the average is 10.75
Do not fall into fake news
There's no such thing as average polling
The last two polls have the tory lead at +7 and +8
Bleat away my tory sheep, but it's the facts
What's so special about those two polls? One is even a week old!
The PB Tories do seem a little skittish. You are miles ahead, relax!
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Sorry that is wrong. The last 5 polls on wiki frommthis weekend give 12-13-12-10-8.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Comparing two graphs from completely different elections with completely different circumstances and pinning your electoral strategy on it is wishful thinking.
I haven't compared anything, thanks. Haven't looked at any graphs.
I'm just pointing out that with a month to go the tory lead seems to be in single figures.
Labour will take that quite happily right now.
Forgive me for saying so, but I do get the impression that tories are starting to get a bit jittery. I'm seeing it 'out there' and I'm seeing it on this site.
It does not appear to be in single figures.
You may want to blindside yourself to it but as Sunhil says the average is 10.75
Do not fall into fake news
There's no such thing as average polling
The last two polls have the tory lead at +7 and +8
Bleat away my tory sheep, but it's the facts
What's so special about those two polls? One is even a week old!
The PB Tories do seem a little skittish. You are miles ahead, relax!
Are you new here? We have two modes, snug complacency and headless chicken panic.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
The PM is very much a One Nation Conservative.
People should stop confusing One Nation with Remainer. They are not synonyms.
Yes, very much so. Similarly, there is often a lazy belief that dry as dust economically = socially conservative = Eurosceptic. And sometimes it does. But often it doesn't. Calling anyone Eurosceptic right-wing is confusing and unhelpful. There are members of all parties who fall into one of these categories.
Yes put me in that category. Bone dry economically, a real hater of debt, fairly socially conservative, and Europhile. There is no party where I neatly fit.
But every financial asset is someone else's debt. It's how the system works.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
The PM is very much a One Nation Conservative.
People should stop confusing One Nation with Remainer. They are not synonyms.
Yes, very much so. Similarly, there is often a lazy belief that dry as dust economically = socially conservative = Eurosceptic. And sometimes it does. But often it doesn't. Calling anyone Eurosceptic right-wing is confusing and unhelpful. There are members of all parties who fall into one of these categories.
Yes put me in that category. Bone dry economically, a real hater of debt, fairly socially conservative, and Europhile. There is no party where I neatly fit.
But every financial asset is someone else's debt. It's how the system works.
Up to an extent with banking, but not in equities.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Sorry that is wrong. The last 5 polls on wiki frommthis weekend give 12-13-12-10-8.
Bozo decided a Cobra meeting would look good optics .
More faux empathy and concern designed to dupe people into thinking he gives two hoots .
Well probably, although I am curious what the difference would be if it was sincere empathy and concern - how would we know?
Kle4 I meant to ask you before - just who did you vote for in 2017?
Tory, for the first time. Won't be considering doing that again for a good long while.
May I ask who you're going with this time? Please don't tell me Corbyn?
Probably LD. I wasn't really enamoured with the May government or campaign (though I thought the Dementia Tax proposal was admirably upfront for a manifesto), and living in a safe Tory seat could vote for anyone and not risk responsibility for any shit show that follows, but Corbyn I really do not like, and I felt I should put my vote where my mouth was. Now I have to accept my contribution to the last 2 years of nonsense.
I'm not exactly on board with the LD policy of revoke either, and as a former leaver and coalition supporter they likely hold me in contempt, but they could be worse.
Anyway, on BBC4 at 10:30 there is the documentary about PQ17 - The Arctic Convoy. An absolute must see.
On the other hand, the attack on convoy JW51B off Bear Island was a complete fiasco for the Kriegsmarine, leading to Hitler temporarily mothballing all the larger surface combatants.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Comparing two graphs from completely different elections with completely different circumstances and pinning your electoral strategy on it is wishful thinking.
I haven't compared anything, thanks. Haven't looked at any graphs.
I'm just pointing out that with a month to go the tory lead seems to be in single figures.
Labour will take that quite happily right now.
Forgive me for saying so, but I do get the impression that tories are starting to get a bit jittery. I'm seeing it 'out there' and I'm seeing it on this site.
It does not appear to be in single figures.
You may want to blindside yourself to it but as Sunhil says the average is 10.75
Do not fall into fake news
There's no such thing as average polling
The last two polls have the tory lead at +7 and +8
Bleat away my tory sheep, but it's the facts
What's so special about those two polls? One is even a week old!
The PB Tories do seem a little skittish. You are miles ahead, relax!
Are you new here? We have two modes, snug complacency and headless chicken panic.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Comparing two graphs from completely different elections with completely different circumstances and pinning your electoral strategy on it is wishful thinking.
I haven't compared anything, thanks. Haven't looked at any graphs.
I'm just pointing out that with a month to go the tory lead seems to be in single figures.
Labour will take that quite happily right now.
Forgive me for saying so, but I do get the impression that tories are starting to get a bit jittery. I'm seeing it 'out there' and I'm seeing it on this site.
It does not appear to be in single figures.
You may want to blindside yourself to it but as Sunhil says the average is 10.75
Do not fall into fake news
There's no such thing as average polling
The last two polls have the tory lead at +7 and +8
Bleat away my tory sheep, but it's the facts
What's so special about those two polls? One is even a week old!
The PB Tories do seem a little skittish. You are miles ahead, relax!
Are you new here? We have two modes, snug complacency and headless chicken panic.
Con-complacency stocks levels are still very low after 2017.
It isn't clearly anti-semitic. If you think it is, can you explain?
The mural with bushy-eyed, hooked nosed money counters breaking the backs of the world's poor? The one with the pyramid eye symbolizing powerful conspiracies behind them? The one drawn by a man who said “Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are,”?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
The PM is very much a One Nation Conservative.
People should stop confusing One Nation with Remainer. They are not synonyms.
Yes, very much so. Similarly, there is often a lazy belief that dry as dust economically = socially conservative = Eurosceptic. And sometimes it does. But often it doesn't. Calling anyone Eurosceptic right-wing is confusing and unhelpful. There are members of all parties who fall into one of these categories.
Yes put me in that category. Bone dry economically, a real hater of debt, fairly socially conservative, and Europhile. There is no party where I neatly fit.
But every financial asset is someone else's debt. It's how the system works.
Up to an extent with banking, but not in equities.
But surely not even in investment banking. The whole point of investment is that, over the long term and in the whole, it generates more value than the obligation created.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Sorry that is wrong. The last 5 polls on wiki frommthis weekend give 12-13-12-10-8.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Sorry that is wrong. The last 5 polls on wiki frommthis weekend give 12-13-12-10-8.
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
Bozo decided a Cobra meeting would look good optics .
More faux empathy and concern designed to dupe people into thinking he gives two hoots .
Well probably, although I am curious what the difference would be if it was sincere empathy and concern - how would we know?
Kle4 I meant to ask you before - just who did you vote for in 2017?
Tory, for the first time. Won't be considering doing that again for a good long while.
+1 I have always voted Tory at GE's since I got the vote. I am not supporting the party as it is now. But I will vote and it is LD or Labour...
So you're repulsed by the current Tory party but not Labour? I find that frankly astonishing. Unless you're fibbing, of course.
If I vote Labour, I am voting for the Incumbent Labour MP, who is a Remainer and seeking re-election. I am not voting for Corbyn in my mind! I don't believe all the stuff in the Tory/Brexit supporting media. I have been around politics a long-time and the Tories no longer share the same interests that I do. Corbyn maybe bad for you but he might be beneficial to my interests or neutral. The UK has had left-wing Governments in the past and it has to be remembered that Churchill ran in 1950 and 1951 of accepting many of the policies of the incumbent Labour Government that in political terms is described as a radical Government.
On the subject of the US, there's a new New Hampshire poll out that has a couple of interesting points:
1. Buttigieg is now in the top three, and is only a point behind Warren. 2. Gabbard is breaking away from the also rans, getting up to 6% in the polls, which means she'll likely make the December debate, and increasing her profile meaningfully.
It’s illegal to sell a peerage? But not illegal to trade one for electoral pacts?
I think you'll find when the preferment comes ahead of the desired action it's illegal. When the desired action happens and the preferment comes months or even years down the line, it's called patronage, and it's perfectly legal. See also: every EU appointment ever made.
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
You don't think Brexit has damaged the UK internationally or domestically then? The UKs international reputation is at rock bottom whilst Northern Ireland could erupt into civil war again and Scotland may go it own way. Meanwhile the economy will be adversely affected by any sort of Brexit. You see we all see different things...
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
You don't think Brexit has damaged the UK internationally or domestically then? The UKs international reputation is at rock bottom whilst Northern Ireland could erupt into civil war again and Scotland may go it own way. Meanwhile the economy will be adversely affected by any sort of Brexit. You see we all see different things...
Rock bottom? I assume this is the level occupied by states like North Korea?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
The PM is very much a One Nation Conservative.
People should stop confusing One Nation with Remainer. They are not synonyms.
Yes, very much so. Similarly, there is often a lazy belief that dry as dust economically = socially conservative = Eurosceptic. And sometimes it does. But often it doesn't. Calling anyone Eurosceptic right-wing is confusing and unhelpful. There are members of all parties who fall into one of these categories.
Yes put me in that category. Bone dry economically, a real hater of debt, fairly socially conservative, and Europhile. There is no party where I neatly fit.
But every financial asset is someone else's debt. It's how the system works.
Up to an extent with banking, but not in equities.
But surely not even in investment banking. The whole point of investment is that, over the long term and in the whole, it generates more value than the obligation created.
In which case we can all become investment bankers and no-one would ever need to work. Where do I sign?
It isn't clearly anti-semitic. If you think it is, can you explain?
The mural with bushy-eyed, hooked nosed money counters breaking the backs of the world's poor? The one with the pyramid eye symbolizing powerful conspiracies behind them? The one drawn by a man who said “Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are,”?
That's not anti-Semitic?
Yes, but it's more a symptom of a laziness than racism - reaching for a well-worn stereotype rather than attempting any artistic creativity.
It's crap. The anti-semitism is a by-product.
You're probably familiar with TS Eliot's infamous couplet:
'The rats are underneath the piles The Jew is underneath the lot.'
It's racist alright, but is symptomatic of a lazy reaching for stereotypes as a substitute for thought, precision and creativity.
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
You don't think Brexit has damaged the UK internationally or domestically then? The UKs international reputation is at rock bottom whilst Northern Ireland could erupt into civil war again and Scotland may go it own way. Meanwhile the economy will be adversely affected by any sort of Brexit. You see we all see different things...
Rock bottom? I assume this is the level occupied by states like North Korea?
Relative to how the UK is normally perceived. Relativity is very important the UK has traditionally been seen as a bulwark of the international system. I don't think that is the case anymore as we seem to be embarking on isolationism and internal fracture.
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
You don't think Brexit has damaged the UK internationally or domestically then? The UKs international reputation is at rock bottom whilst Northern Ireland could erupt into civil war again and Scotland may go it own way. Meanwhile the economy will be adversely affected by any sort of Brexit. You see we all see different things...
Well I don't know if Brexit has damaged the UK yet because it's not even been enacted. Maybe if it had been sooner we wouldn't be in this mess. Losers consent and all that. But Corbyn is a nasty old fool who has pretty much wrung his hands for every terrorist organisation in the world who has had an interest in undermining the West. He still does. Now I'm not silly enough to think Boris is perfect, he isn't, far from it. But still. Corbyn as PM isn't just about economics (actually neither is Brexit), it's a life time of anti British and anti Western sentiment. A lifetime of cheer leading extremist Socialist republics in the Third World and using them as a template to dismantle the free market economy which sustains rich countries like ours. He's a bit shit crazy, vindictive, anti Semitic old bastard with the brain of a 15 year old Communist.
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
You don't think Brexit has damaged the UK internationally or domestically then? The UKs international reputation is at rock bottom whilst Northern Ireland could erupt into civil war again and Scotland may go it own way. Meanwhile the economy will be adversely affected by any sort of Brexit. You see we all see different things...
Grew up in Ashfield but don't live there any more. Don't think former Lib Dem Zadrozny has the numbers to take the seat but where he draws his support is key. Without him Tories would take seat. Next door in Amber Valley is a 10K+ Tory majority in what was once a bellwether. Need to speak to a few friends before I talk about Broxtowe
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Anyway, four of the last five polls in terms of fieldwork have the CON lead in double-digits:
Deltapoll 12%
YouGov 13%
Opinium 12%
Panelbase 10%
The fifth poll being the ICM hot off the presses (8% lead).
Gap in the market.....
https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1193923239963222016?s=19
There is also a small, but real, chance that the Conservative Party sneeks up, picking up all the Leave vote plus a small number of Remainers.
Lab Evens
Brexit 2/1
Cons 9/4
Any other 3 way marginals prices ?
I'm not exactly on board with the LD policy of revoke either, and as a former leaver and coalition supporter they likely hold me in contempt, but they could be worse. True, but unrelated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barents_Sea
That's not anti-Semitic?
Boost for HS2.
Fair enough Kle4. I'm in a safe Tory seat like you, so it wouldn't really matter any way, but if I really had to with an alternative, I would go LD - even though I'm a leaver and I detest the LDs revoke policy. BUT - Corbyn. Dear God, the damage he would do to this country, domestically and internationally, does not bear thinking about. Even if you could forget all of his past associations.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7673169/Labour-candidate-hits-Poppy-Appeal-supporters-endorsing-legalised-mass-murder.html
1. Buttigieg is now in the top three, and is only a point behind Warren.
2. Gabbard is breaking away from the also rans, getting up to 6% in the polls, which means she'll likely make the December debate, and increasing her profile meaningfully.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7672261/Moment-furious-homeowner-tells-Labour-door-steppers-embarrassed.html
It's crap. The anti-semitism is a by-product.
You're probably familiar with TS Eliot's infamous couplet:
'The rats are underneath the piles
The Jew is underneath the lot.'
It's racist alright, but is symptomatic of a lazy reaching for stereotypes as a substitute for thought, precision and creativity.
Much the same with your crap cartoonist.
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