Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Wasn't she an admirer of Thatcher? Can't think any true lefty would ever admit to that.
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
The Tory vote fell by 4% in favour of Labour post dementia tax, the UKIP vote also collapsed in Labour's favour, the Brexit Party are now going hard in Labour areas
Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Some consider her economically conservative, and her positions on welfare and state-ownership are fairly 'conservative', as is her voting record.
35 of the 50 smallest conservative majorities are in Leave seats. Those Conservatives no longer need worry about a pro-Leave rival. It does not guarantee Johnson a big majority but it's a bit silly to suggest this does not matter. A lot of motivated reasoning today #ge2019
The other thing to bear in mind is that it allows the Conservatives to switch resources from defending seats and to transfer them onto attack.
It isn't clearly anti-semitic. If you think it is, can you explain?
I never get tired of this classic. Even some otherwise very sensible people use it. Butpeople claiming it wasn't clearly anti-semitic should ask this chap about that:
Jeremy Corbyn has expressed "sincere regret" at failing to look more closely at an allegedly anti-Semitic mural in London before questioning its removal...
In a statement, Mr Corbyn said he had intended to make a "general comment" about the removal of public art on the grounds of freedom of speech.
He added: "I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.
Now, not everything Mr Corbyn says is true. But unless he was lying because he is weak, he at least thinks it was clearly anti-semitic since it was only because of poor attention that he did not spot that immediately. I think it highly unlikely he would defend himself on the grounds of poor attention being given if it was credible to use another defence.
Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Wasn't she an admirer of Thatcher? Can't think any true lefty would ever admit to that.
She wasn’t an admirer of thatcher but felt that the first female PM warranted a statue in Trafalgar Square there is a difference
Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Wasn't she an admirer of Thatcher? Can't think any true lefty would ever admit to that.
On the other-side of the coin Michael Portillo had a picture of Harold Wilson on his wall at Cambridge by all accounts. You don't get much more Thatcherite than Portillo. Forget all his positioning after 1997, it was just to try and get back in the game...
Been told today my daughter's Nursery's Christmas Performance has been rescheduled because of the election. It had been booked for the 12 December but the Church is now going to be a polling station apparently so its been rescheduled to earlier in the week. We'd both booked time off work to see her first Nativity, she'd just started at the Nursery, thankfully we chose to book the whole week off so can still see it on the rescheduled date.
Those 317 seats the BXP won't be standing in include 19 which thanks to defections etc don't currently have Conservative MPs.
I am sure the news made Anna's day
Also TBP are not standing in Workington, I expect quite a few more marginal labour seats will see TBP candidates fail to materialise
That is not good news, the Tories only led in Workington due to Labour voters going BXP in the recent poll there. Hopefully Farage sticks to his guns and stands in all Labour seats
The Workington poll had tactical vote questions and Brexit Party voters broke much more to the Tories than Labour.
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
My point being, if the Tory share holds at current levels it will be 4.5% down on last time.
That doesn't matter unless there's a massive sudden surge in Labour support. Labour brilliantly peeled off both Leave and Remain votes in 2017, when Brexit was in the distance. Now the opposite is true. But I get why Corbynistas are clinging on to the last election result - it's pretty much all they've got left.
That picture of Corbyn. Which crap films are, or are not, Christmas films. The rubbish mural. Pineapple pizza. AV.
We're caught in a constant loop.
With Labour and the Tories going to trawl through facebook and twitter accounts for old scandals to mine, old issues are going to be bumped up time and again even more than usual, and I'm helpless but to respond. Lack of impulse control.
Frankly the mural one I think could so easily be dropped since Corbyn apologised and provided an explanation (whether one accepts it or not), so it really should have no legs left as a political issue, but for some reason people love to carry on the fight he decided not to have. I'm not sure who that is supposed to benefit. It's not him, because he conceded that one years ago!
Unsurprising since the mural isn't clearly anti-semitic. The artist may or may not be, but there's no evidence that it is. The majority of the people depicted are non Jews (christians of various denominations indeed), and are all symbolic of the 'richest people in the world' (albeit perhaps not literally).
- Quoting Noam Chomsky stating that media manipulation has depicted Corbyn as racist and anti-semitic: he/she arguably have a reasonable case for that. - Stating that the public shouldn't be expected by the Royal Family to pay millions for a royal wedding: this is an obvious and reasonable argument - Retweeting a mis-quote of Churchill: poor show, but, well not the gravest....
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
The Tory vote fell by 4% in favour of Labour post dementia tax, the UKIP vote also collapsed in Labour's favour, the Brexit Party are now going hard in Labour areas
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
The Tory vote fell by 4% in favour of Labour post dementia tax, the UKIP vote also collapsed in Labour's favour, the Brexit Party are now going hard in Labour areas
Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Wasn't she an admirer of Thatcher? Can't think any true lefty would ever admit to that.
Blair, Brown and Shirley Williams all went there.
And I think it was the fact she backed a statue of her as a famous high-achieving female politician.
Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Some consider her economically conservative, and her positions on welfare and state-ownership are fairly 'conservative', as is her voting record.
I’m not seeing anything but traditional soft Left Lib Dem views in both her policy and her voting record.
Some people are really stupid with their Internet output given they want to be MPs! I suppose it depends where the seat they are contesting, if it was Finchley and Golders green then they would be removed but if it is somewhere like Bradford West or Birmingham Hall Green then being associated with anti-Semitic stuff will probably do them no harm.
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
The Tory vote fell by 4% in favour of Labour post dementia tax, the UKIP vote also collapsed in Labour's favour, the Brexit Party are now going hard in Labour areas
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
The Tory vote fell by 4% in favour of Labour post dementia tax, the UKIP vote also collapsed in Labour's favour, the Brexit Party are now going hard in Labour areas
How are the pollsters (and seat projectors) going to handle the BXP only standing in non-Tory seats?
If you get asked a postcode it will be relatively easy.
I have done two recent YouGov opinion polls asking me about how I would vote if X or Y (They actually named names) stood in the constituency I live within. They also brought up tactical voting.
whatever happened to the principle that you don't interfere with domestic politics in another country?
Has there ever been such an open goal? I almost can't be bothered because it's slightly embarrassing but I guess I have to. So here goes -
The best person to direct the question to is that US president guy who rings up London radio stations and straight out tells the listeners how to vote in our general election.
I know Trump is a jerk. Clinton should be better than him.
One of the many things that could go horribly wrong for Boris in the next 31 days would be Trump running amok during the NATO conference and proclaiming his full support.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
Hypothetical here. For arguments sake, the Tories fall short again. Is there any circumstance where anyone could see either the SNP or the Dims propping up a Tory government? Or would that be impossible to conceive?
The LDs at least claim they will not prop up any kind of government, and while I feel something would have to give in the event they were true kingmakers, their hope of replacing Labour would I think take a hit propping up the Tories again, and what price could be extracted to make it worthwhile?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
Indeed. It does likely help them more than it hurts by turning off tory remainers and encouraging remain alliances (that would probably happen anyway), but his very existence at this point is a needless worry for them, so while his decision has aided them, it's not like it is a complete pact.
I wonder if Swinson could be bought. I think there's a bit of Tory in there somewhere (excuse the pun), Brexit aside. Maybe the offer of a referendum on PR or such like?
Other than the fact some Tories have defected to her party, what is Tory about Jo Swinson?
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
That picture of Corbyn. Which crap films are, or are not, Christmas films. The rubbish mural. Pineapple pizza. AV.
We're caught in a constant loop.
With Labour and the Tories going to trawl through facebook and twitter accounts for old scandals to mine, old issues are going to be bumped up time and again even more than usual, and I'm helpless but to respond. Lack of impulse control.
Frankly the mural one I think could so easily be dropped since Corbyn apologised and provided an explanation (whether one accepts it or not), so it really should have no legs left as a political issue, but for some reason people love to carry on the fight he decided not to have. I'm not sure who that is supposed to benefit. It's not him, because he conceded that one years ago!
Corbyn agreed it was anti semitic - some of his candidate mp's and posters on here seem not to have got the message.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
You’ve posted that three times today.
It’s obviously not cutting through as much as you hoped it would.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
Vice-President of the Liberal Democrat Campaign for Race Equality… no less
From 2009 / 2010 and only now does he make his account private.
What is more shocking than the dodgy language from 10 years ago, the fact that anybody with a half a brain would realise that people are going to go through all your old tweets, so not having cleansed them when you previously stood in 2017 means you have to be a bit dense or has he might put it R####ded.
Can anyone suggest which seats Labour will pick up in this election? They may reclaim the odd seat lost to a defectee/run off by Momentum but even somewhere like Birkenhead may back Frank Field as an independent.
I expect them to lose a swathe of seats in the North East, Scotland, North West, Midlands. Where are they winning new seats? That puts them back into 220 and below range surely.
The question is who picks those seats up. Some to the Tories yes, but they will also lose seats in Scotland and across the south. I'm expecting LibDem gains targeted in all kinds of interesting places (we aren't seeing the back of Chuka, Luciana, Sarah Wollaston. Even Sam Gyimah could pull it off.
As in Spain where "lets solve the hung parliament" election produced a different hung parliament, I expect a no bloody chance of anyone cobbling together a majority. The LibDems and the SNP are unlikely to back either side (even Labour's independence pledge unlikely to sway Sturgeon who can impose it anyway), leaving either Johnson or Corbyn trying to manage a very minority government.
Or perhaps Corbyn has to go as part of even a confidence and supply deal. To be replaced by the leave/remain city/working class man/woman Janus dream team of Pidcock and Burgon.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
I am sure we heard the same two years ago.
I think what could change things are the manifestos, that is what started the movement last time.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
As tonight’s selection of Flick Drummond goes to show. The third moderate former MP to be chosen in a safe seat.
Some people are really stupid with their Internet output given they want to be MPs! I suppose it depends where the seat they are contesting, if it was Finchley and Golders green then they would be removed but if it is somewhere like Bradford West or Birmingham Hall Green then being associated with anti-Semitic stuff will probably do them no harm.
Yeah isn't it terrible when people are slandered on the basis of their race or religious affiliation.
At some point in the next 4 weeks there’ll be a polling panic, which the media will have every interest in talking up.
Indeed, the media will call it a "wobble". Mrs Thatcher had a "wobbly Wednesday" in 1987 and later in 1992 I remember the polling suddenly dived for the Tories and Labour were 7 points ahead. When Boris has a wobble the media will talk about him reinvigorating his campaign team or refocusing the message. I suppose the interesting variable in this election is how the Brexit supporting media will report the wobble. They might even ignore it!
That picture of Corbyn. Which crap films are, or are not, Christmas films. The rubbish mural. Pineapple pizza. AV.
We're caught in a constant loop.
With Labour and the Tories going to trawl through facebook and twitter accounts for old scandals to mine, old issues are going to be bumped up time and again even more than usual, and I'm helpless but to respond. Lack of impulse control.
Frankly the mural one I think could so easily be dropped since Corbyn apologised and provided an explanation (whether one accepts it or not), so it really should have no legs left as a political issue, but for some reason people love to carry on the fight he decided not to have. I'm not sure who that is supposed to benefit. It's not him, because he conceded that one years ago!
Corbyn agreed it was anti semitic - some of his candidate mp's and posters on here seem not to have got the message.
1) Corbyn agreeing that, whether for pragmatic reasons, or not, doesn't make or prove it anti-semitic. 2) Since you're likely to be including me when referring to 'posters on here', I have to repeat, my point is that the mural is not *obviously* anti-semitic. 3) Since you appear to think it is, it would be interesting to know what exactly about it is anti-semitic about it and apparent?
Vice-President of the Liberal Democrat Campaign for Race Equality… no less
From 2009 / 2010 and only now does he make his account private.
What is more shocking than the dodgy language from 10 years ago, the fact that anybody with a half a brain would realise that people are going to go through all your old tweets, so not having cleansed them when you previously stood in 2017 means you have to be a bit dense or has he might put it R####ded.
Using the 'N' word in Thurrock should give him a good chance
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
LOL Marky. So exactly how did the One Nation conservatives out Farage Farage. 😆
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
There is some prospect of a Boris pivot to the centre if he gets a decent majority. The Trump pivot never happened because Trump is an authentically mad bastard seriously invested in his own delusions. Boris is only invested in the success of Boris, and even if he is elected by right wing bastards he is likely to be more comfortable governing as a cuddly, one nation, Cameron before the crash style tory if his party will let him get away with it.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are hoping and praying Boris implodes in the TV debates - but I don't see where they get the evidence from that he's terrible on TV, or during debates. I also don't think Corbyn is half the performer they think he is. I was watching those ghastly stage managed q&a sessions where Corbyn had to write down the questions, and had to have a 'handler' begging audience members not to boo the attending media (imagine him at PMQs for a moment, or in a moment of national emergency).
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
You’ve posted that three times today.
It’s obviously not cutting through as much as you hoped it would.
I love that quote, if your saying others don’t post repetitive shite on PB you have not been paying attention.
At least each and every post you offer is a scintillating original insight.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I’m damn sure There’s clearly been back room talking all week, if he turned down the Peerage Farage got nothing out of the negotiation except Boris putting certain lines into a snapchat message that allows Farage to climb down.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
There is some prospect of a Boris pivot to the centre if he gets a decent majority. The Trump pivot never happened because Trump is an authentically mad bastard seriously invested in his own delusions. Boris is only invested in the success of Boris, and even if he is elected by right wing bastards he is likely to be more comfortable governing as a cuddly, one nation, Cameron before the crash style tory if his party will let him get away with it.
If Boris gets a majority and delivers Brexit, of course they will.
That picture of Corbyn. Which crap films are, or are not, Christmas films. The rubbish mural. Pineapple pizza. AV.
We're caught in a constant loop.
With Labour and the Tories going to trawl through facebook and twitter accounts for old scandals to mine, old issues are going to be bumped up time and again even more than usual, and I'm helpless but to respond. Lack of impulse control.
Frankly the mural one I think could so easily be dropped since Corbyn apologised and provided an explanation (whether one accepts it or not), so it really should have no legs left as a political issue, but for some reason people love to carry on the fight he decided not to have. I'm not sure who that is supposed to benefit. It's not him, because he conceded that one years ago!
Corbyn agreed it was anti semitic - some of his candidate mp's and posters on here seem not to have got the message.
1) Corbyn agreeing that, whether for pragmatic reasons, or not, doesn't make or prove it anti-semitic. 2) Since you're likely to be including me when referring to 'posters on here', I have to repeat, my point is that the mural is not *obviously* anti-semitic. 3) Since you appear to think it is, it would be interesting to know what exactly about it is anti-semitic about it and apparent?
Rabbinical looking figures engaging the international Jewish financier trope.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
There is some prospect of a Boris pivot to the centre if he gets a decent majority. The Trump pivot never happened because Trump is an authentically mad bastard seriously invested in his own delusions. Boris is only invested in the success of Boris, and even if he is elected by right wing bastards he is likely to be more comfortable governing as a cuddly, one nation, Cameron before the crash style tory if his party will let him get away with it.
Your optimistic! I don't believe all the one nation stuff BJ comes out with, just as I never believed the one nation bluster that came from Cameron. What is one nation about cutting disability benefits or freezing JSA whilst borrowing money to reduce capital gains tax?
Some people are really stupid with their Internet output given they want to be MPs! I suppose it depends where the seat they are contesting, if it was Finchley and Golders green then they would be removed but if it is somewhere like Bradford West or Birmingham Hall Green then being associated with anti-Semitic stuff will probably do them no harm.
Yeah isn't it terrible when people are slandered on the basis of their race or religious affiliation.
I will never be a candidate for anything but you have to be realistic that some people who want to be MPs have some very strange views that would be better not to be published on social media. They are not very clever...
That picture of Corbyn. Which crap films are, or are not, Christmas films. The rubbish mural. Pineapple pizza. AV.
We're caught in a constant loop.
With Labour and the Tories going to trawl through facebook and twitter accounts for old scandals to mine, old issues are going to be bumped up time and again even more than usual, and I'm helpless but to respond. Lack of impulse control.
Frankly the mural one I think could so easily be dropped since Corbyn apologised and provided an explanation (whether one accepts it or not), so it really should have no legs left as a political issue, but for some reason people love to carry on the fight he decided not to have. I'm not sure who that is supposed to benefit. It's not him, because he conceded that one years ago!
Corbyn agreed it was anti semitic - some of his candidate mp's and posters on here seem not to have got the message.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
LOL Marky. So exactly how did the One Nation conservatives out Farage Farage. 😆
They didn't blink.
Farage is a busted flush. His Brexit Party supporters are muttering aloud that maybe he really doesn't want his soap box and milch cow taken away by us actually Brexiting.....
I'll be out delivering Lib Dem leaflets in the seemingly perpetual Lab/Con marginal seat of Lincoln this week (Lab defending a 1,538 majority this time). We're starting from 2.64% of the vote and 4th place - but in 2017 we didn't run any kind of campaign at all other than a street stall in the city centre. This year we've the resources to mount a real campaign. I'm not saying we stand any real chance of winning Lincoln (or similar seats) this time but this election, for us, is also about trying to start to build our support back up towards were it used to be (20% in Lincoln in 2010, for example). That will, realistically, take a couple of elections but we're up for it.
In general I would say to people who are betting on the Lib Dem vote share to be aware that we are actually fighting quite hard in some no-hope seats - depending on the strength and inclination of our local parties. 2017 we were merely trying to stay on the map nationally and avert wipe-out. In 2019 we have the luxury of being able to choose our battles.
Klopp is keen on moving to a bigger club based in North London with a desperate fan base ...
I actually think Spurs would be a great move for Klopp. Wonderful stadium, best in the world, in London, bags of potential. Merseyside is hardly an inspiring place.
But he would have to deal with Daniel Levy - a man who makes Boris look like the fountain of truth. I still remember him trying to pretend that a £5 million bid for Berahino was actually £20 million because of conditional add ons that would never have materialised.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
As tonight’s selection of Flick Drummond goes to show. The third moderate former MP to be chosen in a safe seat.
Laura Trott in Sevenoaks (even though it was the most Leave constituency in Kent, if I recall correctly).
35 of the 50 smallest conservative majorities are in Leave seats. Those Conservatives no longer need worry about a pro-Leave rival. It does not guarantee Johnson a big majority but it's a bit silly to suggest this does not matter. A lot of motivated reasoning today #ge2019
The other thing to bear in mind is that it allows the Conservatives to switch resources from defending seats and to transfer them onto attack.
Hang on, you adding all the BP votes to the Tory total? What about where people who would vote brexit party for brexit but never vote Tory in their life, who now gets their vote? Last week BP attracts so many Labour votes, this week anyone who was planning to vote BP should be counted in Tory column.
Tory’s couldn't get hurt with the tarring of right wing lurch due to the back room deal with Farage without gaining that many extra votes where they need them can they?
No. Can’t see this concern on PB though, as there’s no PB Tory putting One Nation Conservative into every other sentence or talking up how moderate the latest PPC is.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
1. Farage giving them a free run in some seats. 2. The Tories proposal to renege on what has been agreed with the Irish government about prosecuting soldiers for crimes committed during the Troubles. Bad law, bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are you certain the Tories are the ones who will, even if they did have discussions with him what difference does that make as either they swayed him to step down or he chose to, and it leads to the same outcome. So really, what's with all this 'hmm'ing where its presented as some tremendous potential reveltation if the Tories and Farage did discuss things with him? It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
As tonight’s selection of Flick Drummond goes to show. The third moderate former MP to be chosen in a safe seat.
Laura Trott in Sevenoaks (even though it was the most Leave constituency in Kent, if I recall correctly).
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
bad policy, morally repulsive and shows Ireland and others that the word of the British government cannot be relied upon.
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are y It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
There is some prospect of a Boris pivot to the centre if he gets a decent majority. The Trump pivot never happened because Trump is an authentically mad bastard seriously invested in his own delusions. Boris is only invested in the success of Boris, and even if he is elected by right wing bastards he is likely to be more comfortable governing as a cuddly, one nation, Cameron before the crash style tory if his party will let him get away with it.
Your optimistic! I don't believe all the one nation stuff BJ comes out with, just as I never believed the one nation bluster that came from Cameron. What is one nation about cutting disability benefits or freezing JSA whilst borrowing money to reduce capital gains tax?
What is one nation about Brexit, the most divisive issue of our time?
Not difficult to see which part of the nation will pay the largest part of the cost.
Posts saying 'at this point in the 2017 campaign the Tories were 15 points ahead' seem to have dried up
I've been away at a wedding and am now just catching up.
Current Tory lead is 11.0%. It was 17.8% at this stage of GE2017.
That was before the dementia tax disaster Boris will not repeat and with the Brexit Party included which was not the case in 2017
True, but the Tory vote share only fell by 3% in the period D-31 to Election Day.
And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
The Tory vote fell by 4% in favour of Labour post dementia tax, the UKIP vote also collapsed in Labour's favour, the Brexit Party are now going hard in Labour areas
I too remain concerned that at some point there will be a polling panic as Labour starts to rise in the polls. Probably for no particular reason....
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
Hardly. The tory lead seems now to be in single figures. They will take that at this stage.
Today has brought 2 more depressing reasons for hoping the Tories don’t succeed:-
Yuck, yuck.
Meanwhile Labour’s vote share creeps up.
More yuck.
If only they could both lose.
I’m not sure the Tories are in charge of Farage’s decision.
I am more cynical than you. Cui bono? The consensus seems to be the Tories. And I’m supposed to believe the Tories had absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Hmm....
Jonathon was saying the same thing earlier, and it seems like a bizarre obsession to me. What difference does it make if they did? They don't get everything that they want by the fact of him standing anywhere, since not everyone agrees on cui bono why are y It's positive or negatives depending on what side you stand aren't affected either way, yet its presented like this would be a killer fact.
Not presenting it as some killer fact merely my opinion that the Conservative party as was has died and been replaced by Brexit/UKIP. I find that depressing because there was something to admire about the genuine Conservative party. Whereas what has replaced it is mean-minded, incoherent and seems to value nothing about what is best about Britain.
The reports of the death of the Conservative Party have been greatly exaggerated.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
There is some prospect of a Boris pivot to the centre if he gets a decent majority. The Trump pivot never happened because Trump is an authentically mad bastard seriously invested in his own delusions. Boris is only invested in the success of Boris, and even if he is elected by right wing bastards he is likely to be more comfortable governing as a cuddly, one nation, Cameron before the crash style tory if his party will let him get away with it.
Your optimistic! I don't believe all the one nation stuff BJ comes out with, just as I never believed the one nation bluster that came from Cameron. What is one nation about cutting disability benefits or freezing JSA whilst borrowing money to reduce capital gains tax?
What is one nation about Brexit, the most divisive issue of our time?
Not difficult to see which part of the nation will pay the largest part of the cost.
+1 BJ and the Tories are not One Nation Tories! It is just a slogan used to trick people into believing they are governing in everyone's interests instead of the top 30% Income households.
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And the current polls are showing it averaging c. 39%, so 4.5% lower than the GE 2017 result (both exc. NI).
My point being, if the Tory share holds at current levels it will be 4.5% down on last time.
Jeremy Corbyn has expressed "sincere regret" at failing to look more closely at an allegedly anti-Semitic mural in London before questioning its removal...
In a statement, Mr Corbyn said he had intended to make a "general comment" about the removal of public art on the grounds of freedom of speech.
He added: "I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43523445
Now, not everything Mr Corbyn says is true. But unless he was lying because he is weak, he at least thinks it was clearly anti-semitic since it was only because of poor attention that he did not spot that immediately. I think it highly unlikely he would defend himself on the grounds of poor attention being given if it was credible to use another defence.
That picture of Corbyn. Which crap films are, or are not, Christmas films. The rubbish mural. Pineapple pizza. AV.
We're caught in a constant loop.
Frankly the mural one I think could so easily be dropped since Corbyn apologised and provided an explanation (whether one accepts it or not), so it really should have no legs left as a political issue, but for some reason people love to carry on the fight he decided not to have. I'm not sure who that is supposed to benefit. It's not him, because he conceded that one years ago!
- Stating that the public shouldn't be expected by the Royal Family to pay millions for a royal wedding: this is an obvious and reasonable argument
- Retweeting a mis-quote of Churchill: poor show, but, well not the gravest....
And I think it was the fact she backed a statue of her as a famous high-achieving female politician.
Ho.
Ho.
At some point in the next 4 weeks there’ll be a polling panic, which the media will have every interest in talking up.
Result - Tory majority of 18.
And there was me thinking we hadn't had the daily Labour anti-semite scandal...time to reset the clock.
Vice-President of the Liberal Democrat Campaign for Race Equality… no less
Bunnco - Your man on the spot
I think you’ve got to the root of the matter with that one.
I shall therefore leaf you in peace.
Good night.
Ok.
The new intake will be very much One Nation Conservatives.
It’s obviously not cutting through as much as you hoped it would.
However, the level of hostility towards Corbyn and his band of mad-hatter, unsavoury Marxists is now profound, widespread and deeply felt across much of the country, even amongst Labour voters. I really struggle to see what is going to change that in 4 weeks. People have had three YEARS to reach their conclusions. Corbyn is no longer a blank canvass. I cant see what is going to change.
But happy to hear suggestions....
What is more shocking than the dodgy language from 10 years ago, the fact that anybody with a half a brain would realise that people are going to go through all your old tweets, so not having cleansed them when you previously stood in 2017 means you have to be a bit dense or has he might put it R####ded.
I expect them to lose a swathe of seats in the North East, Scotland, North West, Midlands. Where are they winning new seats? That puts them back into 220 and below range surely.
The question is who picks those seats up. Some to the Tories yes, but they will also lose seats in Scotland and across the south. I'm expecting LibDem gains targeted in all kinds of interesting places (we aren't seeing the back of Chuka, Luciana, Sarah Wollaston. Even Sam Gyimah could pull it off.
As in Spain where "lets solve the hung parliament" election produced a different hung parliament, I expect a no bloody chance of anyone cobbling together a majority. The LibDems and the SNP are unlikely to back either side (even Labour's independence pledge unlikely to sway Sturgeon who can impose it anyway), leaving either Johnson or Corbyn trying to manage a very minority government.
Or perhaps Corbyn has to go as part of even a confidence and supply deal. To be replaced by the leave/remain city/working class man/woman Janus dream team of Pidcock and Burgon.
I think what could change things are the manifestos, that is what started the movement last time.
2) Since you're likely to be including me when referring to 'posters on here', I have to repeat, my point is that the mural is not *obviously* anti-semitic.
3) Since you appear to think it is, it would be interesting to know what exactly about it is anti-semitic about it and apparent?
Labour are entering a phase where wishful thinking is starting to replace reality.
At least each and every post you offer is a scintillating original insight.
That’s how it happened.
This is the age we live in.
Farage is a busted flush. His Brexit Party supporters are muttering aloud that maybe he really doesn't want his soap box and milch cow taken away by us actually Brexiting.....
In general I would say to people who are betting on the Lib Dem vote share to be aware that we are actually fighting quite hard in some no-hope seats - depending on the strength and inclination of our local parties. 2017 we were merely trying to stay on the map nationally and avert wipe-out. In 2019 we have the luxury of being able to choose our battles.
Tory’s couldn't get hurt with the tarring of right wing lurch due to the back room deal with Farage without gaining that many extra votes where they need them can they?
No. Can’t see this concern on PB though, as there’s no PB Tory putting One Nation Conservative into every other sentence or talking up how moderate the latest PPC is.
Not difficult to see which part of the nation will pay the largest part of the cost.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/labour-moves-ahead-of-tories-on-the-day-the-polls-turned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-8mtEI5Js
More faux empathy and concern designed to dupe people into thinking he gives two hoots .