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Perhaps the most bizarre event so far in this election campaign was Nigel Farage talking to Donald Trump on his LBC radio programme yesterday.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q44Mv3T62MQ
But when did a system of funding become an article of faith, what's so special about the NHS that makes it holy and sacred when compared to the German or Swiss models.
https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1188831701654482945?s=19
Civil servants meet pharma industry to discuss drug pricing. No shit. That sort of meeting happens in every industry with every government every day
There is a difference between “private” and “secret”.
U.K. drug pricing is a good system. Drug prices are among the lowest in the world. NICE has pioneered value based pricing which is widely copied. Some of the work on outcomes based pricing is cutting edge. The PPRS gives innovators flexibility on pricing
I’m sure lobbists are going to push for higher pricing. That’s their job. Doesn’t mean that it is going to happen. In any event it’s a decision for the government. If it makes sense (eg increasing the cost of drugs to the NHS by £1bn per year creates £10bn pa of value to the economy) then fine. If the deal as a whole doesn’t make sense then they won’t approve it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7634195/Lib-Dems-WONT-stand-against-ex-Cabinet-minister-Dominic-Grieve.html
No government ever would or could afford to end NICE making sure drugs are value for money and as cheap as possible.
It's no wonder that they continue to bang on about it endlessly like a broken record, mind you. The Labour core vote is so gullible that they can repeat the same nonsense every single time and be guaranteed that it will work, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Besides, the overriding issue in this election isn't whether or not the NHS, or any other arm of the state, is at risk from the Evil Tories. It's that Corbynite Labour would do a Venezuela job on the entire British economy - and then it wouldn't matter a damn how much money they chose to fling at the NHS, or any other priority you care to name. The pound would be virtually worthless, so it wouldn't actually serve to pay for any of these services. The electorate could then wave goodbye to public health care, along with public transport, welfare benefits and reliable supplies of electricity, clean water, petrol, affordable food and bog roll, along with just about everything else.
They'll try to blame it all on Trump and the Jews, of course, but that will hardly help the rest of us as we plan how to snare the neighbour's cat, and what we're going to use to cook it.
This year, 60 LD seats would destroy Johnson. It'd destroy any prospect of a no-deal Brexit, guarantee a new referendum, consign the lying sexpest to a future of after dinner speeches no-one pays to listen to and almost certainly ensures any kind of Brexit dies forever.
Trump has always been clear, he wants other countries to pay more for US pharmaceuticals. That means us as currently the NHS negotiates very low prices.
Corbyn is hardly going to do this when, after the Clegg experience, Swinson won't make that kind of arrangement with either of the large parties that she seeks to vanquish (and, even if she did, the price would be certain to include Labour offering up a more palatable centre-left figure as Prime Minister in any event.)
I'm as sure as I can be that Labour will field a candidate in every seat in Great Britain, except that occupied by the new Speaker should the election for the post go ahead. Why wouldn't they?
It does however mean it is impossible to have an adult debate about healthcare funding in this country, as that is immediately brought up. This is also surprising because the more you look into it the more you realise, despite being founded solely for ideological reasons to deal with issues very much of the 1940s, the NHS is remarkably efficient and effective compared to most other mass healthcare systems, and is not expensive for what it provides either. It should hold its own in any proper, reasoned debate - but we can’t have one.
*I know Dan Hannan does think this. I do not consider that invalidates my point!
I am sure that you are right though, once they have their majority, the Tories will shaft the NHS and those CDE voters dependent on it.
This is where the British centre-left position is so bananas. They think the Tories are trying to wreck everybody's healthcare. But in that case, given that the Tories are in charge of the British government at least half the time, why on earth would you want the healthcare system run by the British government?
And it is. I know that. I’ll just take a risk of Johnson’s malificience against the certainty that Corbyn would be a disaster in every imaginable way.
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1190162842277822464
Just rejoice at that news.
Indeed, the more serious risk to the NHS is arguably Labour - in hock to the major NHS unions and caring far more about them than about patients - getting in and being forced to agree to major pay rises coupled with reduced working hours.
That’s not a comment on Ashworth, btw. He’s quite good. It’s Just a recognition that he has next to no influence in Labour.
Mr. Rook, quite. The sky'll fall in this time, for sure.
This is why we should never have referendums about anything. Restore the death penalty? Let's take the n million a week we spend on lifers and give it to the NHS. English independence? Let's take the Barnett formula money... etc. Stupid, mawkish, fallacious and universally effective.
I hate football and shopping, and am reflective about, rather than worshipful of, the NHS.
I do love pubs, watching rugby and cricket, labradors, green fields, steam railways, and village churches though. And I’m a thrice a year CoE’er too.
So perhaps that just makes me a more rural / traditional kind.
Almost everywhere else runs with some combination of private and public funding and provision, and isn't a political issue. Pretty much anyone who’s ever lived abroad knows this.
Bang on.
At some point it’s going to need to be supplemented in the same way state pensions are by private ones.
This of course gave a substantial advantage to the likes of Boots and is a significant part of the reason that 80+% of 'chemist shops" are now in the hands of multiples.
Hospitals employed pharmaceutical staff to do a similar job, on both a local and a regional basis. So far as I was aware, and it only impinged on me when there were effects on patients, there were no national contracts.
Though staffing might be the biggest problem for the NHS this winter.
https://twitter.com/TheDA_UK/status/1189564639350267904?s=19
What only Theresa May seems to have grasped and was unable to get people to discuss is that there is no cheap, easy or simple way of caring for the very elderly and frail.
(Incidentally I’m not sure I agree about the NHS and chronic illness either. In my experience it can do it very well - or very badly. I think that is a management issue rather than a systemic issue.)
What we don't do well is social care.
That implies you thought they once had the plot, and such we know is not the case.
Sadly it's only the last that marks them out from the opposition. I've no doubt the people in charge of Labour would do exactly the same given the chance.
Weirdly it tends to be the same set of people who say thay
A ) the NHS is horribly inefficient
B ) we should adopt system from country X
Where country X is one where the they spend more per head on health care than The UK does.
There is never the option of just spending as much per head as country X with the current NHS system. That's always wrong for some unspecified reason.
I hope she loses her deposit.
General election 2019: Have the Conservatives 'slashed taxes for the richest'?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50249909
...or not - as you may decide.
Edit - and I haven’t even mentioned Carol Caplin or whatever her name was - the property wheeler dealer and masseuse...
Although weirdly doesn’t the US system cost about three times as much?
"We spend £5,000 a year of your taxes on other people's healthcare. Why don't you spend it on your own?"
It doesn’t seem to make sense on a basic level. Can anyone explain why we would do this?
1) Because Boris Johnson and Steve Baker are idiots who are unfit to run a whelk stall;
2) Because - ummm - actually, you can forget the other two reasons.
Otherwise, you know what we get instead...
I'm not superstitious but that was freaky - to make it more freaky and apparently more portentous the window was closed. I've checked every other window too, they're all closed. No chimney. I've got absolutely no idea how on earth a black crow has suddenly and without any open windows appeared in my bedroom . . .
Managed to get it out by opening the window and it eventually found its way out but even without being superstitious that is strange and put me on edge, still got no idea where it came from . . .
- LibDems capturing a raft of Tory seats in the S and SW
- Corbyn’s campaign effectively defending his Northern and Midlands marginals
At the moment the first looks more likely than the second; both are possible and neither happening is also possible.
Ideally stopping a Bozo Brexit needs a bit of both.
A single healthcare provider can clearly use its market dominance to drive down purchase prices of drugs and healthcare services - that makes it “efficient” as it gets more bang for its buck - but it will also need a management framework of priorities to do that (which won’t always align with the interests of the individual needing the healthcare) and resort to rationing on the supply side too - that makes it “inefficient” as it is too big and slow to respond to market changes and consumer demands.
Today it is believed that the Crow symbolizes a new phase in someone’s life. If a crow appears in your life, it means that you should leave all the past behind you because something new has been born. A crow that appears in your life indicates it is time for you to use your second sight and to think more thoroughly about your life. It is usually believed that the crow is a symbol of bad luck and death, but it is not always the case. As we have already said, a crow may be a symbol of life magic and mysteries. It also symbolizes intelligence, flexibility and destiny. If a crow appears at a certain moment in your life, it can mean that you are going through a period of personal transformation and that it is time to discover your own personality much better.
Maybe you should reinvent yourself as a remainer?
You do make a good point upthread that most European countries do spend more on healthcare than the UK does. The NHS system is relatively cheap, but that doesn’t mean that pouring money into an unreformed system will make it any better (except for the employees).
*yes, I know what his promises are worth!