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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    nichomar said:

    Life is strange I have just had to take my last dog to be put to sleep, I took my wife with me so that maybe , just maybe, she will remember why and when, but it’s a sad moment and although life will now be easier there will be a gap.

    You have my condolences. It is a wretched thing to go through.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,034

    I think the LibDems might be in for a rude awkening - discovering that Jo Swinson is not anywhere near as popular as they think......
    @Byronic seems to like her.

    Make of that what you will.

    (I've never even seen her speak. I suspect, though, that her resolute Remainery will resonate with around a fifth of voters next time around.)
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    rcs1000 said:

    @Byronic seems to like her.

    Make of that what you will.

    (I've never even seen her speak. I suspect, though, that her resolute Remainery will resonate with around a fifth of voters next time around.)
    Well that will do as long as it in the right places
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,954
    egg said:

    If it rains on St Crispins do we get lineker for forty days and forty nights?
    With rumbles of Mariah Carey?
    It rained on Brexit day. I was in London for a conference. All the trains were disrupted. Cashpoint. Mr Taxi Driver was very pleased. 9:30pm I was in front of telly with stinky cheese and nibbles. Seven hours later I was 2.5k up and hurling - not the result, the cheese was a bit too stinky. Eee, those were the days... :)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,398
    egg said:

    Nothing against him? You sure?

    What about the haircut. He’s never sorted it out.
    Well in that he and I share something. A certain blokeishness from actually just not caring - at least that's the way I justify my own barnet shortcomings.

    I'm 100% sure I have not even the slightest animosity to David Milliband. (Other than the usual big boss of humanitarian stuff doing well when people are starving thing. which is horrible but inevitable)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    rcs1000 said:

    @Byronic seems to like her.

    Make of that what you will.

    (I've never even seen her speak. I suspect, though, that her resolute Remainery will resonate with around a fifth of voters next time around.)
    What about the full on identity politics turning off soft Tories?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,034

    What about the full on identity politics turning off soft Tories?
    I'm not a fan, personally (of identity politics). But I suspect that the general population pays less attention to Twitter than you or I do.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    What about the full on identity politics turning off soft Tories?
    What do you see as the LD's "full on identity politics" ?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,398

    What about the full on identity politics turning off soft Tories?
    There will be someone in the LDs that can help her.

    Her current style has some slight risk of being totally disastrous. She's not that daft and the collective wisdom of the LDs definitely isn't that daft.

    Her best bet would be to get Clegg to help her.

    So far as I can see her next best bet is OGH :).
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    FWIW (which ain't much, I have all the predictive powers of Mystic Meg,) I don't fancy the chances of a Tory majority. I don't think that the total number of losses to the SNP (because there aren't that many Scottish Tories to begin with) and to the Lib Dems (because they're mostly working against hefty Tory majorities in non-Remainiac seats) will be huge, but gains from Labour still won't be sufficient to compensate.

    I suspect that the cumulative effect of Labour's tribal loyalty vote, strong Leave but "never Tory" voters in Labour areas either sticking with Labour or spaffing their votes away on the Brexit Party, and an election campaign that gives Corbyn the opportunity to remind poorer electors that they'll get more handouts under a Labour Government, will be enough for Labour not to go too far backwards. For all of those reasons, I also think it's likely that the current opinion polls showing particularly awful Labour figures may be disguising a "shy Labour" vote.

    I reckon that, even assuming that the Conservatives win back all the seats of the whipless rebels, they'll still need at least 20 gains from Labour to compensate for losses to the SNP and LDs, in order to reach 320 and a working majority of one. This is doable in theory - there are about thirty Lab-Con marginals that can fall on a swing of less than 3% - but I'm not so sure about their getting across the winning line in practice.

    After the 2017 election, I feel very much once bitten, twice shy when it comes to predictions of disaster for the Labour Party (except in Scotland, where they've had their chips.)
    Isn’t there always a case where despite a good game you also lose a few against the head?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,084
    egg said:

    Isn’t there always a case where despite a good game you also lose a few against the head?
    Those will be to the Lib Dems and SNP though.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,398
    egg said:

    Isn’t there always a case where despite a good game you also lose a few against the head?
    Yes. Welcome to the world of probability and statistics.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,954

    What do you see as the LD's "full on identity politics" ?
    Jo Swinsons remark about the election being decided by a small bunch of old white men struck me as particularly gratuitous. For a politician seeking election, implying that you think one age/sex/colour combo is inherently wrong does put those people off from voting for you.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Omnium said:

    Well in that he and I share something. A certain blokeishness from actually just not caring - at least that's the way I justify my own barnet shortcomings.

    I'm 100% sure I have not even the slightest animosity to David Milliband. (Other than the usual big boss of humanitarian stuff doing well when people are starving thing. which is horrible but inevitable)
    When he had his chance he had no gravitas.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Pulpstar said:

    Those will be to the Lib Dems and SNP though.
    I was thinking to Labour. Surely some metropolitansry remainery areas with Tory MP and Labour close behind. Or some previously labour for ever a Tories narrowly took last time.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump giving an interesting speech right now, attacking the "Clinton crime act" as being institutionally racist.

    He's losing the plot now as his polling numbers go south. Even Rasmussen have him -13 net now.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Pulpstar said:

    It's going Tory on UNS at the moment.
    Wow.
    Is that your gut feel, or are u not sure.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,954
    egg said:

    When he had his chance he had no gravitas.
    Whereas our current PM is just marinated in gravitas.

    Well, marinated in something, that's for sure... :)
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,869
    viewcode said:

    It rained on Brexit day.
    Talk 'bout rain, oh, my Lord Didn't it, didn't it, didn't it, oh, my Lord? Didn't it rain?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Nightie night thanks for the condolences, tomorrow I’ll have to explain to Denise where the dog has gone or maybe not.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,398
    viewcode said:

    Whereas our current PM is just marinated in gravitas.

    Well, marinated in something, that's for sure... :)
    The one thing Boris actually and certainly has going for him is gravitas.
    It's also the one thing that without doubt Corbyn will never have.

    Makes no real difference at all, other than Corbyn is simply not a populist, and will never be a popular leader.


  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,869
    edited October 2019
    Scott_P said:
    In case anyone else hadn't seen that before, apparently "butt-dialing" means accidentally making a phone call with your buttocks when your mobile phone is in your back trouser pocket.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,243
    timmo said:

    I do believe there will be a few left field seats where the LDs come from nowhere and win..that will be the fun of the night.
    I have a very strong suspicion the Lib Dems are going to cause an upset in the Cotswolds.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,275
    I would argue that the Labour Party needs to have an election: it either needs to be told that Corbynism is a no-go or that it has a chance of capturing the public imagination. I don’t think that holding on and on, coming up with any old excuse, is doing them any favours at all.

    They should take comfort from 2017 and go for it. I agree with their position in refusing to back an election on Monday though if the EU hasn’t come back to confirm the length of extension: to be fair, that is internally consistent.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    Omnium said:

    The one thing Boris actually and certainly has going for him is gravitas.
    It's also the one thing that without doubt Corbyn will never have.

    Makes no real difference at all, other than Corbyn is simply not a populist, and will never be a popular leader.


    I don't know that Boris does have gravitas. He has charisma, to be sure, but when I think of the typical definitions of gravitas Boris is not the first thing that springs to mind. It's a shame for Tory attackers that the 'entitled' line gets so overused, because Boris's petulance certainly seems to spring from a place of entitlement.

    Corbyn has a certain level of gravitas, in a quiet manner kind of way, but not much presence to speak of outside of highly specific situations, and is no stranger to a petulant attitude himself.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    sirclive said:

    Very easy to check - just alter the start date on the comparison site and run the various quotes.
    Have my doubts about this, more pertinent is the fact that premiums change on a frequent(weekly?) basis.
    Interesting. Certainly it's a jungle full of manipulative characters.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,398
    edited October 2019
    kle4 said:



    I don't know that Boris does have gravitas. He has charisma, to be sure, but when I think of the typical definitions of gravitas Boris is not the first thing that springs to mind. It's a shame for Tory attackers that the 'entitled' line gets so overused, because Boris's petulance certainly seems to spring from a place of entitlement.

    Corbyn has a certain level of gravitas, in a quiet manner kind of way, but not much presence to speak of outside of highly specific situations, and is no stranger to a petulant attitude himself.

    Sure - I wouldn't quibble with anything you wrote.

    Both Boris and Corbyn are at least in part what we see, and what we see are two different men. Neither intrinsically better than the other.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,084
    Alistair said:
    If Mueller couldn't find grounds for impeachment in there I doubt 20 GOP senators will though.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    edited October 2019
    Omnium said:

    Do you miss the MP tag? Did you get mileage out of it in these sort of daft things at the time?

    You're far too straightforward and honest to ever misuse the MP tag, but I imagine you've previously wanted to communicate it at some point. Restaurant table or the like. Easyish if you phone up - online though title, name, surname... hang on no box for 'MP' !

    Is there an obvious way?
    I don't know - I'd have been embarrassed to try that. I was too busy with politics to do much in London (the original nerd MP) - I went to the theatre once in 13 years. I was well-known in Broxtowe and restaurant managers were usually professionally cordial (in fairness they still are), but I never consciously got or wanted any benefits - my dubious self-image of devoted people's commissar would have taken a knock. :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    If Mueller couldn't find grounds for impeachment in there I doubt 20 GOP senators will though.
    Mueller did.

    He wasn't allowed to explicitly say so.
  • HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/JKCorden/status/1187614515220738048?s=20
    Still, things looked up the day Corden left British showbiz.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,368
    Scott_P said:
    Yeah, I agree with this. I would vote for David Cameron a million times over Boris Johnson. I disagree with Cameron over most things, but at least he has some kind of moral compass and sense of decency. Johnson is a monster.
  • Chris said:

    In case anyone else hadn't seen that before, apparently "butt-dialing" means accidentally making a phone call with your buttocks when your mobile phone is in your back trouser pocket.
    There is also nut calling as a friend in NYC told me after doing same.
  • I have a very strong suspicion the Lib Dems are going to cause an upset in the Cotswolds.
    That's understandable. It was one of the few non-metropolitan constituencies to vote Remain. Cirencester and Stroud have large sandal-wearing populations. And didn't the sitting MP make a bit of an arse of himself at the Tory Party Conference?

    Will certainly be worth looking at the odds when Shadsy puts them up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,082
    @yanisvaroufakis having a go at LibDems. "They have abandoned Liberalism"

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1187480582458138634
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,082

    Still, things looked up the day Corden left British showbiz.
    You don't know about the Xmas special then?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,027

    FWIW (which ain't much, I have all the predictive powers of Mystic Meg,) I don't fancy the chances of a Tory majority. I don't think that the total number of losses to the SNP (because there aren't that many Scottish Tories to begin with) and to the Lib Dems (because they're mostly working against hefty Tory majorities in non-Remainiac seats) will be huge, but gains from Labour still won't be sufficient to compensate.

    I suspect that the cumulative effect of Labour's tribal loyalty vote, strong Leave but "never Tory" voters in Labour areas either sticking with Labour or spaffing their votes away on the Brexit Party, and an election campaign that gives Corbyn the opportunity to remind poorer electors that they'll get more handouts under a Labour Government, will be enough for Labour not to go too far backwards. For all of those reasons, I also think it's likely that the current opinion polls showing particularly awful Labour figures may be disguising a "shy Labour" vote.

    I reckon that, even assuming that the Conservatives win back all the seats of the whipless rebels, they'll still need at least 20 gains from Labour to compensate for losses to the SNP and LDs, in order to reach 320 and a working majority of one. This is doable in theory - there are about thirty Lab-Con marginals that can fall on a swing of less than 3% - but I'm not so sure about their getting across the winning line in practice.

    After the 2017 election, I feel very much once bitten, twice shy when it comes to predictions of disaster for the Labour Party (except in Scotland, where they've had their chips.)
    The only reason an overall Tory majority is even being discussed is because of our electoral system. Under the electoral system used anywhere else in Europe the Tories wouldn't have a prayer of an overall majority.

    I know those are the rules and the 2 dinosaurs that benefit from them are never going to change them but that doesn't make it right. .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284

    @yanisvaroufakis having a go at LibDems. "They have abandoned Liberalism"

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1187480582458138634

    Pretty sure every party, even the truly terrible ones, have interest inbuilding a better society. They just disagree on what that means.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,569

    Although they may charge a cancelleation fee, I believe.
    Distance Selling Regulations should apply - a 14 day cooling off period with auto right to cancel. So try that if they try to do you for a cancellation fee.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,082
    Scott_P said:
    Another set of private school educated strategists and comms professionals get a party into a complete and utter mess.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,081
    This thread has

    Decided it will vote for an election

    (although which date remains unclear).
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    There is also nut calling as a friend in NYC told me after doing same.
    Cock calling? Roid dialling? Cheek and speak.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,147
    Pulpstar said:

    It's going Tory on UNS at the moment.
    Lib Dems won 4 of the 6 wards in May. They have a dynamic candidate in Hannah Kitchen and Sheffield Lib Dems are piling in.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    slade said:

    Lib Dems won 4 of the 6 wards in May. They have a dynamic candidate in Hannah Kitchen and Sheffield Lib Dems are piling in.
    How many Millibands does Kitchen have?
  • nichomar said:

    Life is strange I have just had to take my last dog to be put to sleep, I took my wife with me so that maybe , just maybe, she will remember why and when, but it’s a sad moment and although life will now be easier there will be a gap.

    Damn. Sorry Nichomar. That is a tough paragraph to read from start to finish. Thinking of you very kindly tonight.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    viewcode said:

    I'm actually getting a bit sad about it. Series 1 of Star Trek Discovery has been sold to Channel 4 and I am thinking of watching it, but it's been so long since I switched the telly on I've forgotten the start-up procedure (y'know, it involves remotes and two buttons). The BBC remake of War of the Worlds ( butchers the book but oddly good) has been leaked to YouTube so I've already watched it, so when it's shown (Xmas time?) I might miss it. Life is changing fast... :(
    Switch of your tv!
    Then suddenly a change, the passing of something — knew not what — and then a stillness that could be felt. Nothing but this gaunt quiet.

    And read.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,003
    Carnyx said:

    Not a profit - just his legal costs paid for him without quibble or trimming of the usual margin.

    But there were obviously some serious procedural issues exposed. Whether those feed on into later court action I wouldn't like to say.
    Carnyx, he got double money , almost unheard of as it has to be real bad for them to pay that out without even a check. I suspect any case against him must be comprised by the way it has been handled , whether true or not.
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