Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
By suggesting Brexit is a cancer on this country, I think you are confusing the cause with the symptom. It is the causes of Brexit that are the cancer. As yet there seem to very few suggestions for treating the causes.
All the Brexiteers can go and live in Leaverstan, and the Remainers move to Remainia. Like the population swaps after the Greco-Turkish war of 1922
By suggesting Brexit is a cancer on this country, I think you are confusing the cause with the symptom. It is the causes of Brexit that are the cancer. As yet there seem to very few suggestions for treating the causes.
The cause is our semi-detached relationship. The cure is to join the Euro.
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
On topic (for once) my model, which is not particularly favourable to the Tories, has this as a hold, although the Lib Dems will run him too close for comfort. So a QTWTAIN for me.
My model has it as a Tory hold as well with LibDems not far behind.
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
He hasn't broken his promise to leave come what may yet.
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
Skipping over the "when" in the post you were replying to made your job so much easier there
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
By suggesting Brexit is a cancer on this country, I think you are confusing the cause with the symptom. It is the causes of Brexit that are the cancer. As yet there seem to very few suggestions for treating the causes.
All the Brexiteers can go and live in Leaverstan, and the Remainers move to Remainia. Like the population swaps after the Greco-Turkish war of 1922
Perhaps if Lincolnshire were to leave the EU, and all the Brexists could move there. We can employ people to stand at the border, and if any Brexists make a bid for freedom, like some kind of jihadi bride wanting to get out of Syria, we can spray them with water misters to repel them. I mean, not that they'd want to escape. They don't believe in freedom of movement, do they?
Greive could be coming down with Brexit Psychosis?
Hes becoming a bit of an hysterical old queen
Hmm, he is actually a very intelligent principled man who hasn't fallen for the biggest con trick in British history. I think he generally leaves hysteria to those who share your views, since it is a condition that many right wing xenophobic fanatics have had since the beginning of time, indeed 'tis a necessary condition for such a warped frame of mind.
No I think hysterical old queen sums it up.. And I'm an old queen (less hysterical I like to think) so I should know..
I will be glad when Brexit is done as it seems to be sending previously rational people on both sides loopy..
I always admired Greive and his principled stances even though I didn't always agree with them but in the last month he has really seemed a little unhinged which is not befitting of such a intellectual and well educated person
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
He hasn't broken his promise to leave come what may yet.
He will not break it, Boris voted against extension unlike most MPs and a civil servant will sign the extension letter not Boris
Greive could be coming down with Brexit Psychosis?
He's happiest when with his real friends, and they're honouring him. An honour, the Légion d'Honneur, that he shares with so-called "friend of Brexit" Vlad Putin.
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
He hasn't broken his promise to leave come what may yet.
He will not break it, Boris voted against extension unlike most MPs and a civil servant will sign the extension letter not Boris
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
He hasn't broken his promise to leave come what may yet.
He will not break it, Boris voted against extension unlike most MPs and a civil servant will sign the extension letter not Boris
Yesterday you were telling us he would resign rather than countenance an extension.
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
In 2015 Cameron got a majority despite the high ukip vote because he won 25 seats from the LDs. In a future election there will be no collapse LD vote, indeed they will be resurgent in many tory seats. So 12% BXP should still be very concerning for Boris.
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Agree entirely..
There is a tenancy to look at local election results here and extrapolate tory losses go GE loads but with Elmbridge having so many residents association candidates it's hard to really tell much from them.. My feeling is the residents association voters are generally more LD inclined (the candidates for them in this area almost certainly are) but who knows this for sure and could be one to watch on election night
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
Swinson will shine in comparison.
She's going to need some serious coaching to get rid of the verbal tics she repeats - they really get in the way of listening to what she has to say.
Tory Geoffrey Clifton-Brown kicked out of conference after police called to row Gove off his face HOC last week Johnsons sexual assault Johnson spending tax payers money ex mistress So glad Tories going to clamp down on crime !!
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
It is one thing when you can dabble in a local election. If you live in a £2million house and send your kids to private school you will think twice about risking that in a General Election where the main challenger wants to abolish your kid's school and take your house from you.
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
In 2015 Cameron got a majority despite the high ukip vote because he won 25 seats from the LDs. In a future election there will be no collapse LD vote, indeed they will be resurgent in many tory seats. So 12% BXP should still be very concerning for Boris.
The Tories also have a 13% lead over Corbyn Labour under Boris with Yougov today, Cameron's Tories only led Ed Miliband's Labour by 7% so that should not concern the Tories at all, only if the BXP are over 15% should the Tories be concerned
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
It is one thing when you can dabble in a local election. If you live in a £2million house and send your kids to private school you will think twice about risking that in a General Election where the main challenger wants to abolish your kid's school and take your house from you.
What risk is there of a Labour government if they poll 20%?
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
It is one thing when you can dabble in a local election. If you live in a £2million house and send your kids to private school you will think twice about risking that in a General Election where the main challenger wants to abolish your kid's school and take your house from you.
By suggesting Brexit is a cancer on this country, I think you are confusing the cause with the symptom. It is the causes of Brexit that are the cancer. As yet there seem to very few suggestions for treating the causes.
All the Brexiteers can go and live in Leaverstan, and the Remainers move to Remainia. Like the population swaps after the Greco-Turkish war of 1922
Perhaps if Lincolnshire were to leave the EU, and all the Brexists could move there. We can employ people to stand at the border, and if any Brexists make a bid for freedom, like some kind of jihadi bride wanting to get out of Syria, we can spray them with water misters to repel them. I mean, not that they'd want to escape. They don't believe in freedom of movement, do they?
Kind of like an Anti-Netherlands! Flat, populous and illiberal.
Once it is done there is a period of calm, adjustment and realignment as different factions work out new strategies and groupings as required.
It will never "be done", or certainly within the life time of even the youngest contributor to PB (HYUFD perhaps?). Brexit is a cancer on this country. Those that encouraged it will eventually be called to account for the damage they have caused to our economy and our institutions. Let us hope Bozo, the number 1 cause of the cancer loses his seat. That would be a little bit of justice.
Much the same could be said of many post-war Labour governments (especially Tony Blair's).
But despite that most people seem able to grasp what you seemingly cannot - a majority is a majority.
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
It is one thing when you can dabble in a local election. If you live in a £2million house and send your kids to private school you will think twice about risking that in a General Election where the main challenger wants to abolish your kid's school and take your house from you.
Yes, it will take the Liberal Democrats to overtake Labour nationally for some wealthy voters to risk voting LD nationally rather than just locally
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
It is one thing when you can dabble in a local election. If you live in a £2million house and send your kids to private school you will think twice about risking that in a General Election where the main challenger wants to abolish your kid's school and take your house from you.
What risk is there of a Labour government if they poll 20%?
Elections are very unpredictable things as the 2017 election showed and you can easily imagine a Lib/Lab Government.Would such a Government abolish private schools? Who knows and why take the risk?
Some of us have been pointing that out for months.
People who are crowing that Boris's strategy is working don't seem to have anticipated what happens when Brexit voters conclude 'Nigel was right - we shouldn't have trusted him'.
They aren't, Brexit Party down to the 12% UKIP got in 2015 with Yougov today while the Tories have an 11% lead
He hasn't broken his promise to leave come what may yet.
He will not break it, Boris voted against extension unlike most MPs and a civil servant will sign the extension letter not Boris
You've dropped the theory that he'll resign then?
HY doesn't have theories. One certainty simply gets elided into a different one.
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
Swinson will shine in comparison.
She's going to need some serious coaching to get rid of the verbal tics she repeats - they really get in the way of listening to what she has to say.
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
We know Bozo will say whatever he thinks he needs to, whenever. He can say what he likes about no deal; what matters is how it might turn out. Although I hold to my view that he is hoping and wanting to be stopped.
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
The area around Thames Ditton , Hinchley Wood has always been more strongly pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
Aligns with my experience in Epping, the biggest houses now are often LD, certainly locally, the semis tend to be Tory and the poorest parts and the social housing are Labour still but pro Brexit and so more Tory than they were
It is one thing when you can dabble in a local election. If you live in a £2million house and send your kids to private school you will think twice about risking that in a General Election where the main challenger wants to abolish your kid's school and take your house from you.
What risk is there of a Labour government if they poll 20%?
Elections are very unpredictable things as the 2017 election showed and you can easily imagine a Lib/Lab Government.Would such a Government abolish private schools? Who knows and why take the risk?
There won't be a Lib/Lab government whilst Corbyn is leader.
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
Swinson will shine in comparison.
She's going to need some serious coaching to get rid of the verbal tics she repeats - they really get in the way of listening to what she has to say.
Source or wishful thinking?
Observation.
(And i quite like her and wish her well against Corbyn)
By suggesting Brexit is a cancer on this country, I think you are confusing the cause with the symptom. It is the causes of Brexit that are the cancer. As yet there seem to very few suggestions for treating the causes.
The cause is our semi-detached relationship. The cure is to join the Euro.
I agree the semidetached relationship is a major (but by no means the only) cause. Fully in is far preferable to revoke to where we were.
On those numbers, it looks like there's not that many people saying they wouldn't vote/boycott the refefendum)(for the two polls that include "wouldn't vote" as an option.
The thing is, if No Deal is the preference of 25% of leavers roughly then why would the remaining 75% boycott a vote on a different leave option like May's deal if it was a legally binding referendum? Additionally, of those 25% only a few, perhaps the ~15% BXP share, would only want No deal and nothing else. So, many of the remaining no dealers would back the leave option in a second vote anyway. Particularly if its binding, only purists would rather see A50 revoked first then try and win a new mandate for no deal, rather than just accept the unpalatable compromise of May's deal.
Hard to see any meaningful large scale boycott of a second vote, particularly considering we have no history of that in this country. If there was a second referendum organised by some caretaker PM, on May's deal vs Remain, how would leavers on here vote?
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
I don't think there will be a leader's debate.
Like them or loathe them, they are now a fixture.
Bozo will be empty chaired if he doesn't show, as he was in the Tory leadership ones.
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
Swinson will shine in comparison.
She's going to need some serious coaching to get rid of the verbal tics she repeats - they really get in the way of listening to what she has to say.
Source or wishful thinking?
Priti needs some trainin' on how to modify her way of speakin'
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
I don't think there will be a leader's debate.
Like them or loathe them, they are now a fixture.
Bozo will be empty chaired if he doesn't show, as he was in the Tory leadership ones.
They are not a fixture re-Format. No consistency at all re -the Debates in 2010 - 2015 - and 2017. If Johnson and Corbyn both declined to appear, I doubt they would happen.
Having seen that speech I think that Boris would make one of the best after dinner speeches one is likely to hear, but I suspect he maybe torn apart in a leaders debate. Having said that I can't visualise Corbyn in a leaders debate either.
I don't think there will be a leader's debate.
Like them or loathe them, they are now a fixture.
Bozo will be empty chaired if he doesn't show, as he was in the Tory leadership ones.
It will be interesting to see people try to contort themselves into a position to argue that Swinson should be in any such debates, unless it is a free for all involving every other party
On Topic Portillo moment or Tory Swinsons Pantsdown moment
Are we in store for another 4 hours of you ranting about Jo Swinson?
Let him have that, polls showing a plurality of Remainers now back the Lib Dems and with her party in the lead [amongst the opposition] today in the poll following Labour's conference bounce, it is lucky for us that Labour are splitting the anti-Brexit vote and its not all just going to the Lib Dems
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On topic, as a constituent, the LDs are locally active already, but I think this will be a bridge too far for them to win it
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1179349934031736832
https://twitter.com/MatthewOToole2/status/1179358808935735296
I lived for 5 years in the village of Thames Ditton which falls into Raabs seat so know the area well..
I think it will be very close next time with the LDs doing very well indeed.. I do think Raab will hold on only because the Tory vote across this area is very tribal and I think will be quite difficult to get to switch at at GE. This area also has very few naturally brexit party inclined voters which will see a below average tory to brexit bleed which should help Raab too..
Interestingly I imagine the huge houses in Esher and Thames Ditton which have always been the backbone of the Tory vote here will be the ones switching to the LDs and the less affluent areas (though only by E&W standards) of Walton on Thames and Long Ditton will be the ones to be more loyal and save Raab
Probably not even worth him standing next time.
https://twitter.com/patel4witham/status/1179362241759649794?s=20
pro Lib Dem than other parts like Oxshott and Cobham where the Tory vote is weighed.These parts which also have huge houses will stay loyal to Raab.
We can employ people to stand at the border, and if any Brexists make a bid for freedom, like some kind of jihadi bride wanting to get out of Syria, we can spray them with water misters to repel them. I mean, not that they'd want to escape. They don't believe in freedom of movement, do they?
I will be glad when Brexit is done as it seems to be sending previously rational people on both sides loopy..
I always admired Greive and his principled stances even though I didn't always agree with them but in the last month he has really seemed a little unhinged which is not befitting of such a intellectual and well educated person
Heck Churchill tried to merge the Le Royaume-Uni with France.
There is a tenancy to look at local election results here and extrapolate tory losses go GE loads but with Elmbridge having so many residents association candidates it's hard to really tell much from them.. My feeling is the residents association voters are generally more LD inclined (the candidates for them in this area almost certainly are) but who knows this for sure and could be one to watch on election night
Gove off his face HOC last week
Johnsons sexual assault
Johnson spending tax payers money ex mistress
So glad Tories going to clamp down on crime !!
Sleazy Broken Tory Swinson back to 3rd place
Most recent preference for Prime Minister:
B. Johnson: 27% (-2)
J. Corbyn: 16% (+3)
J. Swinson: 14% (-)
N. Farage: 8% (-1)
But despite that most people seem able to grasp what you seemingly cannot - a majority is a majority.
Must be crap as far as EU is concerned if ERG really are on board.
Well, Farage still of course. But I suspect it pressed many, many of the BXP voters' buttons. If so, a 40:20:20 result will be a bloodbath for Labour.
And leave the LibDems puffed-up, self-important non-entities.....
Again.
It beats Churchill’s “we will fight them on the beaches”.
Just superb.
(And i quite like her and wish her well against Corbyn)
Nobody else gets over 100
Corbyn gets over 300 with LDs on board.
On those numbers, it looks like there's not that many people saying they wouldn't vote/boycott the refefendum)(for the two polls that include "wouldn't vote" as an option.
The thing is, if No Deal is the preference of 25% of leavers roughly then why would the remaining 75% boycott a vote on a different leave option like May's deal if it was a legally binding referendum? Additionally, of those 25% only a few, perhaps the ~15% BXP share, would only want No deal and nothing else. So, many of the remaining no dealers would back the leave option in a second vote anyway. Particularly if its binding, only purists would rather see A50 revoked first then try and win a new mandate for no deal, rather than just accept the unpalatable compromise of May's deal.
Hard to see any meaningful large scale boycott of a second vote, particularly considering we have no history of that in this country. If there was a second referendum organised by some caretaker PM, on May's deal vs Remain, how would leavers on here vote?
Why not change the rules to allow a simple vote.
Though the space capsule would have to be an uncertificated prototype.
You’re either a fine deadpan comic. Or nuts.
Every other poll, by all the other polling companies, has had Labour ahead of the Lib Dems over the same period.
So, as a start, you would want to see a Lib Dem lead over Labour with at least one other polling company.
Bozo will be empty chaired if he doesn't show, as he was in the Tory leadership ones.
If Johnson and Corbyn both declined to appear, I doubt they would happen.