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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Scott_P said:

    Gina Miller "This was a victory for Parliamentary Sovereignty"

    Brexiteers will be cheering her on, right?

    Yes, once we've replaced this wretched parliament with one that will deliver Brexit (or stop it, one of the two).
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Boris will have to resign - he will be forced to. No way out of this. He has just been destroyed by Baroness Hale. 11-0 against and lost on all points. Commentators did not expect that and the significance has not sunk in. GONU by friday I suspect.

    I don't think he will.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Just interested - did anyone predict a unanimous decision against the government?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406

    Absolutely devastating judgment for any party, absolutely devastating if you're the sitting Prime Minister.

    If Boris Johnson had any honour he'd resign, but since he doesn't, he will not.

    Parliament can VONC him if they want. Always had that option.
    What happened to honour and decency? Do we not even pretend anymore that those are requirements for a PM?
    All governments, past, present and in the future can and have lost court cases. That is what the courts are for. Did May resign when she lost the Miller case?

    The court has ruled, the government must implement its ruling. That's separation of powers in a nutshell. Courts shouldn't result in changes of government. That would put far too much undue pressure on court cases which should stand on their own merit.
    Did the court accuse May of lying to the Queen?
  • JonathanD said:

    So Scottish law provides gentle corrective to English law. Another triumph for the Union.

    Nope. A triumph for self-governance.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    Today's judgment will be a foundation stone for constitutional law for generations to come. That will be far more important than its political effects in the long term.

    The government has only itself to blame. It courted this result by its conduct throughout.

    yes, but on the other hand do you honestly expect the politicians not to start dabbling in the courts now ?
  • The Tories really really should do this. (They won't though.)
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    So what stops an immediate further proroguation complying with the requirements of the Supreme Court.

    There isn't one, other than a short few days to prepare for a Queen's speech.
    And a recess for party conference?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Should we be laying the 1.41 Tories most seats?
  • Fenster said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Tories would be destroyed in a GE if they do that.
    They're cattle trucked anyway, aren't they? They can only be saved by the failure of the opposition for so long.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Scott_P said:

    Any Tories still playing the "BoZo is a winner" card?

    Yes! Boris will lead the Conservatives victoriously into opposition.
  • tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Gina Miller "This was a victory for Parliamentary Sovereignty"

    Brexiteers will be cheering her on, right?

    Yes, once we've replaced this wretched parliament with one that will deliver Brexit (or stop it, one of the two).
    Why do you hate the will of the people?

    The GE2017 voters voted in the expectation that Parliament would last five years.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    edited September 2019

    ‪I have not felt so much pride in being British for many, many years. The grown-ups have fought back.‬

    Absolutely. The question is, when will the grown-ups "take back control" of the two main political parties.
    I'd be amazed if the Men in Grey Suits didn't step in shortly. The Tory establishment can only indulge Boris, Cummings and the membership for so long - their combined efforts are robbing the Tories of their dignity.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    We will now move to have political vetting of supreme court justices.

    This is just a nonsense. We have no ‘higher law’. Parliament can change the rules on prorogation via statute if they want to by simple majority.

  • tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Gina Miller "This was a victory for Parliamentary Sovereignty"

    Brexiteers will be cheering her on, right?

    Yes, once we've replaced this wretched parliament with one that will deliver Brexit (or stop it, one of the two).
    Who is “we”? Gunboats up the Thames at dawn?
  • New thread
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Corbyn supports Boris continuing as PM.

    No call to resign (just "consider his position"). Seems no VONC.

    Flunks it.

    (But then seems to call for a GE. But when?)

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Gina Miller "This was a victory for Parliamentary Sovereignty"

    Brexiteers will be cheering her on, right?

    Yes, once we've replaced this wretched parliament with one that will deliver Brexit (or stop it, one of the two).
    Why do you hate the will of the people?

    The GE2017 voters voted in the expectation that Parliament would last five years.
    And that the MPs they elected would not vote against every form of Brexit
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Surely Robert Buckland must resign .

    How on earth can he stay on given today’s decision .
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Chris said:

    Just interested - did anyone predict a unanimous decision against the government?

    https://twitter.com/carlgardner/status/1176392744165658624
  • We will now move to have political vetting of supreme court justices.

    Well you Leavers want to join the U, S of A. Get used to Yankification.
    Don't get me wrong. I think the judgement makes logical sense, and am not surprised by it. My point is that future governments will want more of an idea of how the supreme court will rule before major cases go there. This will result in political factors being considered when judges are chosen - the government of the day will want to pack the court panel with like minded people. It's sad and I hope we avoid it.
  • Today's judgment will be a foundation stone for constitutional law for generations to come. That will be far more important than its political effects in the long term.

    The government has only itself to blame. It courted this result by its conduct throughout.

    The judgment was brilliant in its argument and it’s brevity. A marvellous day for British justice.

  • Absolutely devastating judgment for any party, absolutely devastating if you're the sitting Prime Minister.

    If Boris Johnson had any honour he'd resign, but since he doesn't, he will not.

    Parliament can VONC him if they want. Always had that option.
    What happened to honour and decency? Do we not even pretend anymore that those are requirements for a PM?
    All governments, past, present and in the future can and have lost court cases. That is what the courts are for. Did May resign when she lost the Miller case?

    The court has ruled, the government must implement its ruling. That's separation of powers in a nutshell. Courts shouldn't result in changes of government. That would put far too much undue pressure on court cases which should stand on their own merit.
    No government has ever lost a case like this.
  • NEW THREAD

  • Classic Dom.
  • eek said:

    Fenster said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Tories would be destroyed in a GE if they do that.
    In which case the Tories will be destroyed.

    On the other hand how can the Tory Party be led by someone found to have lied to the Queen.
    Her Majesty has been made a fool of, by a clown.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    So parliament picks up where it left off - bills in progress will still be live?
  • Scott_P said:

    Any Tories still playing the "BoZo is a winner" card?

    Yes. Voters are what matters.
  • nico67 said:

    Surely Robert Buckland must resign .

    How on earth can he stay on given today’s decision .

    Deputy heads must roll.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Scott_P said:

    Chris said:

    Just interested - did anyone predict a unanimous decision against the government?

    https://twitter.com/carlgardner/status/1176392744165658624
    Thanks.
  • Absolutely devastating judgment for any party, absolutely devastating if you're the sitting Prime Minister.

    If Boris Johnson had any honour he'd resign, but since he doesn't, he will not.

    Parliament can VONC him if they want. Always had that option.
    What happened to honour and decency? Do we not even pretend anymore that those are requirements for a PM?
    All governments, past, present and in the future can and have lost court cases. That is what the courts are for. Did May resign when she lost the Miller case?

    The court has ruled, the government must implement its ruling. That's separation of powers in a nutshell. Courts shouldn't result in changes of government. That would put far too much undue pressure on court cases which should stand on their own merit.
    Agree that losing a court case clearly isnt terminal for a government. Losing a court case on a major constitutional matter, having lied publicly about it, not allowing even the cabinet to see the legal advice behind it let alone a vote is surely a resigning matter for a PM?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited September 2019
    Boris must resign.

    He does even have a majority in the House (and perhaps has never had one), and his attempt at tyranny just got destroyed.

    Perhaps there is a governorship of Tristan da Cunha available.

    God Bless the Supreme Court.

    Cummings has definitely wargamed this, though.
    How else to explain the series of provocative comments aimed at the judges?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    Wow, did anyone really expect that judgement?

    Surely the opposition benches can’t duck a vote of no confidence now?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,856
    Interesting to see how the palace reacts to this. Admit a mistake?

    It exposes the problem of having a sovereign who always acts on the advice of her PM when we're supposed to have a 'sovereign' parliament.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Bozo lied to the Queen , lied to MPs and lied to the public .

    Of course many Leavers don’t seem to care about this .
  • nico67 said:

    Bozo lied to the Queen , lied to MPs and lied to the public .

    Of course many Leavers don’t seem to care about this .

    Why would they, since Brexit itself if a giant lie?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Chris said:

    Just interested - did anyone predict a unanimous decision against the government?

    Cough ....

    Well almost a cough. I said "near unanimous" last week and parliament sitting by Thursday/Friday.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    JackW said:

    Chris said:

    Just interested - did anyone predict a unanimous decision against the government?

    Cough ....

    Well almost a cough. I said "near unanimous" last week and parliament sitting by Thursday/Friday.
    Jack, Thank You [ Scotland ]
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469

    Interesting to see how the palace reacts to this. Admit a mistake?

    It exposes the problem of having a sovereign who always acts on the advice of her PM when we're supposed to have a 'sovereign' parliament.

    So why ask her if she will agree always ?
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    sarissa said:

    So parliament picks up where it left off - bills in progress will still be live?

    Yes. As if nothing happened. It was a Bobby Ewing shower !
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