Those are fair-ish points. On the other hand, no one is proposing abolishing the leadership position...
Happy to be corrected here but whilst the NEC could propose abolishing his position they couldn't force an election.
Worth noting that when Corbyn was challenged he was happy to go to the members, it was his opponents that wanted to stitch it up without the members say.
Undemocratic seems to mean Labour members voting for what they want and getting their way within Labour, presumably democratic would be if the Labour members were overruled and decisions were made in line with the wishes of Conservative members like Rottenborough....
There are already rules in place to permit a deputy leader challenge. Just as there are rules in place for a leadership challenge. Why not follow the rules rather than try to short circuit them?
The NEC did follow the rules, it is allowed to propose to abolish the position. No rules were broken by doing that.
The membership can't vote to challenge the deputy, something that is actually undemocratic but the people complaining about a lack of democracy don't actually care about.
It is almost as if these people who call Labour members cultists don't actually care about Labour members views...
Of course it would be justiciable. If it was prorogued until 1 November that would be unreasonable. Why the government didn't make more of a justification of the specific dates which were reasonable in my eyes I don't get.
But on the other hand, it might lead to a remain alliance win (2nd ref between remain or soft leave). Alternatively, it could mean a Boris majority. Well at least then the EU know Britain really will leave, and promptly too.
There is no remain alliance; it was still born in Brighton this week
Labour, Greens, SNP and maybe PC would work together to avoid a Tory government and hold a 2nd ref. There is every chance in terms of seat numbers that the SNP are more important than the Lib Dems.
I'm not going to bet on it but are there odds on SNP finishing with more seats than the Lib Dems? or the reverse?
Just curious how punters/bookmakers would have priced it.
I see the SNP somewhere in the low to mid 40s, I'd expect the Lib Dems to have more.
I'd price the Lib Dems somewhere around 1.75 favs
Please list the 30+ seats the Liberal Democrats are going to gain in order to overtake the Scottish National Party.
Start with the seats that were held at the 2010 and 2005
Huh?
Are you telling me the Lib Dems are about to re-gain Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey from 4th place and 12% of the vote?
Think the SC is laying the ground to prevent Boris simply re-proroguing. They are cutting him off at the pass here. He needs a clear valid reason to prorogue to mid October. Parliament will be back today I am fairly sure now.
But on the other hand, it might lead to a remain alliance win (2nd ref between remain or soft leave). Alternatively, it could mean a Boris majority. Well at least then the EU know Britain really will leave, and promptly too.
There is no remain alliance; it was still born in Brighton this week
Labour, Greens, SNP and maybe PC would work together to avoid a Tory government and hold a 2nd ref. There is every chance in terms of seat numbers that the SNP are more important than the Lib Dems.
I'm not going to bet on it but are there odds on SNP finishing with more seats than the Lib Dems? or the reverse?
Just curious how punters/bookmakers would have priced it.
I see the SNP somewhere in the low to mid 40s, I'd expect the Lib Dems to have more.
I'd price the Lib Dems somewhere around 1.75 favs
Please list the 30+ seats the Liberal Democrats are going to gain in order to overtake the Scottish National Party.
Start with the seats that were held at the 2010 and 2005
Huh?
Are you telling me the Lib Dems are about to re-gain Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey from 4th place and 12% of the vote?
No, but you asked for 30+ seats. England and Wales held in 2005 would give you those 30.
IANAL, and law topics usually bore me silly - mostly because I don't have the terminology or background knowledge (in the same way RFC's may coonfuse non-techies).
However, this speech from Lady Hale has been excellent - at least for the bits I could hear. Clear, concise, and even a non-legal numpty as myself can follow it.
But on the other hand, it might lead to a remain alliance win (2nd ref between remain or soft leave). Alternatively, it could mean a Boris majority. Well at least then the EU know Britain really will leave, and promptly too.
There is no remain alliance; it was still born in Brighton this week
Labour, Greens, SNP and maybe PC would work together to avoid a Tory government and hold a 2nd ref. There is every chance in terms of seat numbers that the SNP are more important than the Lib Dems.
I'm not going to bet on it but are there odds on SNP finishing with more seats than the Lib Dems? or the reverse?
Just curious how punters/bookmakers would have priced it.
I see the SNP somewhere in the low to mid 40s, I'd expect the Lib Dems to have more.
I'd price the Lib Dems somewhere around 1.75 favs
Please list the 30+ seats the Liberal Democrats are going to gain in order to overtake the Scottish National Party.
That would be price sensitive information.
It would certainly be credibility-stretching information.
Of course it would be justiciable. If it was prorogued until 1 November that would be unreasonable. Why the government didn't make more of a justification of the specific dates which were reasonable in my eyes I don't get.
Cos Keen is thick as shit, but thinks he’s a genius.
But on the other hand, it might lead to a remain alliance win (2nd ref between remain or soft leave). Alternatively, it could mean a Boris majority. Well at least then the EU know Britain really will leave, and promptly too.
There is no remain alliance; it was still born in Brighton this week
Labour, Greens, SNP and maybe PC would work together to avoid a Tory government and hold a 2nd ref. There is every chance in terms of seat numbers that the SNP are more important than the Lib Dems.
I'm not going to bet on it but are there odds on SNP finishing with more seats than the Lib Dems? or the reverse?
Just curious how punters/bookmakers would have priced it.
I see the SNP somewhere in the low to mid 40s, I'd expect the Lib Dems to have more.
I'd price the Lib Dems somewhere around 1.75 favs
Please list the 30+ seats the Liberal Democrats are going to gain in order to overtake the Scottish National Party.
Does anyone else have any opinions on SNP vs Lib Dems most seats?
I was personally leaning towards the SNP (although not certain) with it being relatively close.
Interesting question. Lib Dems got 57 in 2010, with 11 of those in Scotland. They broke 20% of the vote then.
They won't do so well in Scotland this time, so I'd probably make the SNP favourites.
But on the other hand, it might lead to a remain alliance win (2nd ref between remain or soft leave). Alternatively, it could mean a Boris majority. Well at least then the EU know Britain really will leave, and promptly too.
There is no remain alliance; it was still born in Brighton this week
Labour, Greens, SNP and maybe PC would work together to avoid a Tory government and hold a 2nd ref. There is every chance in terms of seat numbers that the SNP are more important than the Lib Dems.
I'm not going to bet on it but are there odds on SNP finishing with more seats than the Lib Dems? or the reverse?
Just curious how punters/bookmakers would have priced it.
I see the SNP somewhere in the low to mid 40s, I'd expect the Lib Dems to have more.
I'd price the Lib Dems somewhere around 1.75 favs
Please list the 30+ seats the Liberal Democrats are going to gain in order to overtake the Scottish National Party.
Start with the seats that were held at the 2010 and 2005
Huh?
Are you telling me the Lib Dems are about to re-gain Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey from 4th place and 12% of the vote?
No, but you asked for 30+ seats. England and Wales held in 2005 would give you those 30.
Mike said “start with”, implying that these would fall at the very least.
And sets a test for any future prorogation - which does not tie down a future PM to any particular time limit, but rather prevents their using it for purposes other than the obvious one intended, should that significantly interfere with Parliament's democratic constitutional rights of legislation and oversight.
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Boris loses.
The membership can't vote to challenge the deputy, something that is actually undemocratic but the people complaining about a lack of democracy don't actually care about.
It is almost as if these people who call Labour members cultists don't actually care about Labour members views...
Oh well, will he prorogue again?!
I thought it was the motive that would make it unlawful.
Eminently sensible.
Are you telling me the Lib Dems are about to re-gain Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey from 4th place and 12% of the vote?
However, this speech from Lady Hale has been excellent - at least for the bits I could hear. Clear, concise, and even a non-legal numpty as myself can follow it.
Choke, choke.
(Expires).
He's like an anti-Hannibal.
Keep dreaming though.
Wins a few battles then gets absolutely spanked, thus losing the war.
The response to the advice automatic (from the POV of the court).
Corbyn in No 10 by weekend?
Unanimous.
Now up to Parliament what happens next.
Very damning.
3 years on, MPs wondering what to do next.
FFS FFS FFS FFS FFS
If Boris Johnson had any honour he'd resign, but since he doesn't, he will not.
What next a new PM?
They won't do so well in Scotland this time, so I'd probably make the SNP favourites.
He said nothing about only England and Wales.
"We are unanimous in this."
SNAFU
Pretty accurate description.
And sets a test for any future prorogation - which does not tie down a future PM to any particular time limit, but rather prevents their using it for purposes other than the obvious one intended, should that significantly interfere with Parliament's democratic constitutional rights of legislation and oversight.