Truly is Piss Funny. The owner of a private business which is not affiliated with the Labour Party gets to dictate the removal of the elected constitutional deputy leader.
I'm already consoling my remaining moderate friends in the party. "Fellow rats, the ship is sinking"
If Watson is removed, do you think there will be any repercussions? Or will Waton’s fraction go meekly into the night?
There will be an exodus. Of Labour MPs no longer Labour MPs. Remember how the sacking of Hilary Benn prompted the "chicken coup"? Think what an extra-party coup will prompt?
I think historically you get a lot of purging action ahead of a leadership change, is Corbyn planning on retiring???
I know not everyone likes a 'wouldn't it be hilarious' hypothetical, but just imagine if Corbyn actually won a GE, then stood down immediately saying his only job was delivering socialism to the country, and he had delivered an election win to do so, but that his critics were right he was not the man to be PM, and his good friend John McDonnell would be taking over? So selfless.
In such a situation we would have the amusing sight of the Tory opposition screaming blue murder and demanding McDonnell seek his own mandate via a GE.
Tom Watson I don’t think will cause an implosion in the party .
In all honesty he’s not that well liked , it’s more a gift to the right wing press and the Lib Dems who will try and frame this as Corbyn removing out spoken Remainers from the shadow cabinet .
Not so long ago, Remainers were weeping tears for Nicholas Soames, a broken blossom culled and tossed by the wayside by careless hands in the Tory party.
Now Remainers are weeping tears for Tom Watson, a dainty butterfly resting on a sprig of myrtle, crushed to pieces by vindictive people in the Labour Party.
Actually, both Watson and Soames are ugly and loathsome individuals. They are getting what they deserved.
Let's hope they both join the LibDems (who are not fussy). They will both be right at home there.
And with them, a fair chunk of their former parties’ voters who hung around “while it was a party that had room for x”.
The short-sightedness of ERG/Momentum purists - in fact, party members in general who’ve allowed their parties to move to the extremes and away from the voters - will bite one or both on the arse before long. And I for one can’t wait.
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Owen Jones saying senior Labour figures and Momentum do not believe Watson wants to win the next general election and Corbynistas who voted for him in 2015 would not vote for him now.
A coup now clearly underway by Corbynistas to oust Tom Watson this weekend
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
By posting a picture of his LibDem membership card?
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Has Boris's magic money tree wilted or something? Surely throwing £200m at the problem should be a "no-brainer" for him?
Justin Trudeau, Antonio Brown, Prince Andrew - what a week for all three of them On topic - Yes I took as much 33-1 on Siobhan as I could earlier in the year. Which wasn't all that much. I'm also on Khan, Bailey the big lay
The Lib Dems must be loving this challenge to Tom Watson.
Another defector arriving soon?
That would lead to me drifting away from them again.
Would they really take on a useless thug like Watson and pass up the chance to get the endorsement of a man of wit, talent, sagacity, and the world's most awesome punner?
You can throw all this flattery at me, but I'm still not joining the LibDems.....
Proves my point last week. Labour under Corbz have no desire to win the next election. They want to purge the hated Blairites, extract their revenge, then maybe win an election in 10 years, when the pendulum eventually swings their way.
It’s unlikely it will work in the longterm. But they don’t care. They will have purged the Blairites, and taken over Labour. That’s satisfying enough
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Has Boris's magic money tree wilted or something? Surely throwing £200m at the problem should be a "no-brainer" for him?
The £200m they’ve requested in government aid would buy them about a week, thanks to the financial shenanigans that have kept TC alive so far - and from a political viewpoint it would put the story in the middle of the Tory conference rather than the Labour conference.
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
They're mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home?!!!???
Proves my point last week. Labour under Corbz have no desire to win the next election. They want to purge the hated Blairites, extract their revenge, then maybe win an election in 10 years, when the pendulum eventually swings their way.
It’s unlikely it will work in the longterm. But they don’t care. They will have purged the Blairites, and taken over Labour. That’s satisfying enough
While in ten years time the LDs will have overtaken them as all the Blairites and diehard Remainers will have gone yellow and if Watson goes probably some of the Brownites too
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
Rules and conventions don’t apply anymore. Haven’t you been following the news?
"Online footage purporting to show hundreds of blindfolded and shackled prisoners in a mostly-Muslim region of China is believed to be authentic, a European security source has told Sky News."
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
Whip-smart leader writer of the Observer destroying Our Lad Owen Jones on Newsnight.
"What Labour can't do is go into a GE neutral on brexit. There is no excuse for a leader of the opposition to go into a GE without being clear on what Labour stands for."
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
Rules and conventions don’t apply anymore. Haven’t you been following the news?
If rules are not adhered to, there will be scope for legal challenge.
Are the moderate MPs going to tweet how sad it all is or actually do something...?
They will encounter the situation, analyse the implications, dispassionately construct a strategy to overcome it, then implement it without fear or digression...
...nahh, just funning you. They will tweet about how sad it is...
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
No doubt he'll find a way. One of the saddest developments of the Corbyn era has been the realisation that large parts of Labour just do not have a moral and intellectual firewall against the far left. I was a member, and it's been horrifying to see people whose views I probably share on most things simply refuse to see what's been staring everyone in the face since 2015.
Whip-smart leader writer of the Observer destroying Our Lad Owen Jones on Newsnight.
"What Labour can't do is go into a GE neutral on brexit. There is no excuse for a leader of the opposition to go into a GE without being clear on what Labour stands for."
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
Rules and conventions don’t apply anymore. Haven’t you been following the news?
If rules are not adhered to, there will be scope for legal challenge.
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
It doesn’t work like that, unfortunately. All TC aircraft will be grounded for regulatory reasons, the rescue will come from other aircraft chartered by the CAA and ATOL.
Reports already of TC planes abroad stuck on the ground, as they can’t get refuellers to fill them up with fuel (that they’d almost certainly never get paid for).
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
No doubt he'll find a way. One of the saddest developments of the Corbyn era has been the realisation that large parts of Labour just do not have a moral and intellectual firewall against the far left. I was a member, and it's been horrifying to see people whose views I probably share on most things simply refuse to see what's been staring everyone in the face since 2015.
They were preparing to do something about Corbyn and McDonnell at 10pm on Thursday 8th June 2017. But then the exit poll was released.
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
And someone to pay for some fuel
Sure, presumably ABTA.
The planes are already booked and timetabled though.
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
And someone to pay for some fuel
Sure, presumably ABTA.
The planes are already booked and timetabled though.
Nope. If the company goes into administration, the planes have neither a ‘Certificate of Airworthiness’ nor insurance.
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
Whip-smart leader writer of the Observer destroying Our Lad Owen Jones on Newsnight.
"What Labour can't do is go into a GE neutral on brexit. There is no excuse for a leader of the opposition to go into a GE without being clear on what Labour stands for."
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
By posting a picture of his LibDem membership card?
I think Nick shares at least some of the mindset of the leadership.
I'm not sure he was that unhappy about the march ever leftwards
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
By posting a picture of his LibDem membership card?
I think Nick shares at least some of the mindset of the leadership.
I'm not sure he was that unhappy about the march ever leftwards
Tom Watson I don’t think will cause an implosion in the party .
In all honesty he’s not that well liked , it’s more a gift to the right wing press and the Lib Dems who will try and frame this as Corbyn removing out spoken Remainers from the shadow cabinet .
Spin those party lines all you want mate - but we are not buying
The short-sightedness of ERG/Momentum purists - in fact, party members in general who’ve allowed their parties to move to the extremes and away from the voters - will bite one or both on the arse before long. And I for one can’t wait.
I would (optimistically) estimate the number of Tory party members who resign because of Soames at zero...possibly 1 if there is a very close relative involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/20/the-men-who-plundered-europe-city-of-london-practices-on-trial-in-bonn in continental Europe what Le Monde has described as the “robbery of the century” has done almost as much to shape the view of Britain as Brexit itself, with Dutch media calling it “organised crime in pinstripe suits” and one of the original German whistleblowers saying he now welcomes Britain’s exit from the EU in the hope it could weaken the influence of London investment banking on European financial institutions.
I haven’t seen a clear explanation of how the fraud is supposed to have worked - and is it true that the German tax authorities were taken for 40 billion ?
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
And someone to pay for some fuel
Sure, presumably ABTA.
The planes are already booked and timetabled though.
Nope. If the company goes into administration, the planes have neither a ‘Certificate of Airworthiness’ nor insurance.
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
I see NEC have gone even madder than usual in trying to remove Watson, as soon as tomorrow.
Could this be the moment for the split?
It's genuinely just about the most ridiculous thing Labour could do right now. Boris and the Tories are in a right mess, a general elecition might be mere weeks away, and some people in Labour have decided now is a good time for a little civil war.
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
Surely the Deputy Leadership is not an issue which has been discussed and debated by CLPs and Trade Union branches in the pre-Conference period. How would delegates be authorised to vote on such a subject when they have no mandate?
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
Tories at war ? The splitters have already split.
The One Nation group of MPs used to be about 100 strong, and aren't the expelled still members, albeit whiplash?
I see NEC have gone even madder than usual in trying to remove Watson, as soon as tomorrow.
Could this be the moment for the split?
They already had one, it just wasn't very large. I struggle to believe, at this critical time, facing BoJo the incredible, they would so so now. But they seem intent on testing that assumption hard.
I see NEC have gone even madder than usual in trying to remove Watson, as soon as tomorrow.
Could this be the moment for the split?
It's genuinely just about the most ridiculous thing Labour could do right now. Boris and the Tories are in a right mess, a general elecition might be mere weeks away, and some people in Labour have decided now is a good time for a little civil war.
"Your opponents are in front of you on the opposite benches, your enemies are behind you on the same ones..." Diane Abbott (I doubt if she coined it, tho)
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
And someone to pay for some fuel
Sure, presumably ABTA.
The planes are already booked and timetabled though.
Nope. If the company goes into administration, the planes have neither a ‘Certificate of Airworthiness’ nor insurance.
Bummer. At least Greta will be happy.
Greta won’t be happy. The rescue planes will be flying out empty, using many tonnes of extra fuel in the process.
Speaking of Greta, how did she get back to Europe, surely not on a plane.? Also, little comment about the three sailors who flew to NY to take her boat back across the Atlantic, nor the three flights for her original crew to get back to Europe either.
She should have attended the conference on Skype, and berated everyone there for doing these things in person in nice places on expenses.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/20/the-men-who-plundered-europe-city-of-london-practices-on-trial-in-bonn in continental Europe what Le Monde has described as the “robbery of the century” has done almost as much to shape the view of Britain as Brexit itself, with Dutch media calling it “organised crime in pinstripe suits” and one of the original German whistleblowers saying he now welcomes Britain’s exit from the EU in the hope it could weaken the influence of London investment banking on European financial institutions.
I haven’t seen a clear explanation of how the fraud is supposed to have worked - and is it true that the German tax authorities were taken for 40 billion ?
I see NEC have gone even madder than usual in trying to remove Watson, as soon as tomorrow.
Could this be the moment for the split?
It's genuinely just about the most ridiculous thing Labour could do right now. Boris and the Tories are in a right mess, a general elecition might be mere weeks away, and some people in Labour have decided now is a good time for a little civil war.
"Your opponents are in front of you on the opposite benches, your enemies are behind you on the same ones..." Diane Abbott (I doubt if she coined it, tho)
But even if you did think that, surely it would be good politics to wait a few weeks for the general election to pass?
I’ve been saying for three years that the far left has no interest whatsoever in defeating the Tories, it’s only focus is to control the Labour Party. This evening, I have been shown to be 100% correct. Am looking forward to Nick Palmer’s take on events. How will he explain them away?
I held and hold the same view although it tooktme until this year to let my membership lapse. Labour will not survive this and it is turning itself into the UK equivalent of the parti communist Francaise. think that a number of current Labour MPs will defect to the Libs in the aftermath of the GE.
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
The Tory conference will be cancelled when the judges tell Johnson to get his sorry ass back to Westminster.
Heads up: while political types all talk about Labour and Tom Watson, tomorrow’s headlines are going to be all Thomas Cook.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
Sad for one of Leicester's most famous sons.
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
And someone to pay for some fuel
Sure, presumably ABTA.
The planes are already booked and timetabled though.
Nope. If the company goes into administration, the planes have neither a ‘Certificate of Airworthiness’ nor insurance.
Bummer. At least Greta will be happy.
Greta won’t be happy. The rescue planes will be flying out empty, using many tonnes of extra fuel in the process.
Speaking of Greta, how did she get back to Europe, surely not on a plane.? Also, little comment about the three sailors who flew to NY to take her boat back across the Atlantic, nor the three flights for her original crew to get back to Europe either.
She should have attended the conference on Skype, and berated everyone there for doing these things in person in nice places on expenses.
Greta is in New York, not Europe. I think she is sailing on to South America next. She has had a pretty impressive year:
These too together might well explain the timing. Tory 'moderate' MPs who have just sat and grumbled for years to show how they totally are not like Jeremy (while campaigning to make him PM) will surely undermine the party when Boris might be in even more freefall
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
The Tory conference will be cancelled when the judges tell Johnson to get his sorry ass back to Westminster.
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
The Tory conference will be cancelled when the judges tell Johnson to get his sorry ass back to Westminster.
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
The Tory conference will be cancelled when the judges tell Johnson to get his sorry ass back to Westminster.
Given the composition of his cabinet, Johnson is spoiled for choice in the matter of which sorry arse to take back to Westminster....
Labour should split - there just isn’t a safe space space for Joylon, Emily, Ed and Tom these days at conference.
They would have done already if it wasn’t for FPTP.
I think if they defect en mass after the GE then Swinson will welcome them as MPs. That gets around the problem that the Libs have already selected candidates.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/20/the-men-who-plundered-europe-city-of-london-practices-on-trial-in-bonn in continental Europe what Le Monde has described as the “robbery of the century” has done almost as much to shape the view of Britain as Brexit itself, with Dutch media calling it “organised crime in pinstripe suits” and one of the original German whistleblowers saying he now welcomes Britain’s exit from the EU in the hope it could weaken the influence of London investment banking on European financial institutions.
I haven’t seen a clear explanation of how the fraud is supposed to have worked - and is it true that the German tax authorities were taken for 40 billion ?
It does not however appear to have very much to do with City of London & the Brexit reference is particularly gratuitous.
The alleged mastermind (according to the article) is a German ex-tax official based in Switzerland. The bank mentioned in the article (HypoVereinsbank) appears to be based in Germany.
But they could block an election and install a centrist as PM.
The Corbyn faction or those who stay in the official PLP could vote with the Tories to hold a GE. Whether they will muster 433 votes, I am not sure. With the SNP, they probably will. I think the LDs will join in. The Labour Moderates if they really split in the HoC will then be marooned. Too late to start a new Party. Even if they did, it will be 1983 all over again. Johnson wins with barely 30% of the votes.
These too together might well explain the timing. Tory 'moderate' MPs who have just sat and grumbled for years to show how they totally are not like Jeremy (while campaigning to make him PM) will surely undermine the party when Boris might be in even more freefall
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
The Tory conference will be cancelled when the judges tell Johnson to get his sorry ass back to Westminster.
It's going to be a helluva gunfight in Brighton. Should give another LD conference bounce, then on for the hatrick with the Tories at war in a week's time...
I may well be wrong (often am) but I get a feeling the Tory conference will be relatively harmonious.
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
The Tory conference will be cancelled when the judges tell Johnson to get his sorry ass back to Westminster.
Ooh, that would be fun
Isn’t the conference recess already voted on? E.g. Prorogation ends but Parliament is in recess. I was sure that came up in one of the various sets of evidence.
I recall one of the arguments being that prorogation stopped Parliament cancelling it.
A dozen Thomas Cook flights arriving tonight into Gatwick, Birmingham and Manchester have all been allocated to remote stands - looks like the end sadly. Hope no-one on here is affected.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/20/the-men-who-plundered-europe-city-of-london-practices-on-trial-in-bonn in continental Europe what Le Monde has described as the “robbery of the century” has done almost as much to shape the view of Britain as Brexit itself, with Dutch media calling it “organised crime in pinstripe suits” and one of the original German whistleblowers saying he now welcomes Britain’s exit from the EU in the hope it could weaken the influence of London investment banking on European financial institutions.
I haven’t seen a clear explanation of how the fraud is supposed to have worked - and is it true that the German tax authorities were taken for 40 billion ?
I think those CLPs who have not selected their candidates will b estopped from selecting one. On grounds of an imminent GE, the power will be taken over by the NEC.
But they could block an election and install a centrist as PM.
The Corbyn faction or those who stay in the official PLP could vote with the Tories to hold a GE. Whether they will muster 433 votes, I am not sure. With the SNP, they probably will. I think the LDs will join in. The Labour Moderates if they really split in the HoC will then be marooned. Too late to start a new Party. Even if they did, it will be 1983 all over again. Johnson wins with barely 30% of the votes.
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They certainly are willing to go the extra mile with their ground game but they have caused a lot of internal divisions in the party .
Stalin would be loving this.
In all honesty he’s not that well liked , it’s more a gift to the right wing press and the Lib Dems who will try and frame this as Corbyn removing out spoken Remainers from the shadow cabinet .
I voted for her because she seemed bright and sensible and was the only candidate who had the balls to unconditionally back LHR3.
I’ll vote for her again, with Sadiq as second choice.
Maybe she’s a good bet too. Hmm.
The short-sightedness of ERG/Momentum purists - in fact, party members in general who’ve allowed their parties to move to the extremes and away from the voters - will bite one or both on the arse before long. And I for one can’t wait.
They’re almost certainly bankrupt / in administration at midnight tonight, CAA (Civil aviation authority) are mobilising planes from all over the world to get over 100,000 people home, nearly double the scale of the Monarch repatriation from two years ago.
A coup now clearly underway by Corbynistas to oust Tom Watson this weekend
On topic - Yes I took as much 33-1 on Siobhan as I could earlier in the year. Which wasn't all that much. I'm also on Khan, Bailey the big lay
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1175164186080550913?s=20
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1175164189016502274?s=20
It’s unlikely it will work in the longterm. But they don’t care. They will have purged the Blairites, and taken over Labour. That’s satisfying enough
I know just the soundtrack....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA3_ejAsT2w
https://news.sky.com/story/chinas-detention-of-uighurs-video-of-blindfolded-and-shackled-prisoners-authentic-11815401
Surely the planes are already booked, just need to fly out empty.
"What Labour can't do is go into a GE neutral on brexit. There is no excuse for a leader of the opposition to go into a GE without being clear on what Labour stands for."
Abso-bloody-lutely.
...nahh, just funning you. They will tweet about how sad it is...
Reports already of TC planes abroad stuck on the ground, as they can’t get refuellers to fill them up with fuel (that they’d almost certainly never get paid for).
https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/599819-thomas-cook-2-a-41.html
Colin McCaig & Sol Gamsu"
https://labourlist.org/2019/09/labour-can-no-longer-shy-away-from-confronting-private-schools/
The planes are already booked and timetabled though.
Could this be the moment for the split?
I'm not sure he was that unhappy about the march ever leftwards
The thing that particularly impressed him was that Benita was the only candidate who supported Heathrow expansion ?
Does she still support Heathrow expansion ?
I would have thought that wasn't quite the thing to do at present.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1175166429626343424?s=21
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/20/the-men-who-plundered-europe-city-of-london-practices-on-trial-in-bonn
in continental Europe what Le Monde has described as the “robbery of the century” has done almost as much to shape the view of Britain as Brexit itself, with Dutch media calling it “organised crime in pinstripe suits” and one of the original German whistleblowers saying he now welcomes Britain’s exit from the EU in the hope it could weaken the influence of London investment banking on European financial institutions.
I haven’t seen a clear explanation of how the fraud is supposed to have worked - and is it true that the German tax authorities were taken for 40 billion ?
@rcs1000 ?
Taking back control
The ERG must realise that Brexit is in last chance saloon and if they vote down whatever Boris brings back then not only with leaving the EU probably be gone for a generation, so will they from the party...permanently.
We would already be hearing the ERG ranting about their red lines if they were going to die in a ditch over Brexit purity.
Speaking of Greta, how did she get back to Europe, surely not on a plane.?
Also, little comment about the three sailors who flew to NY to take her boat back across the Atlantic, nor the three flights for her original crew to get back to Europe either.
She should have attended the conference on Skype, and berated everyone there for doing these things in person in nice places on expenses.
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2019/09/good-luck-tim-montgomerie.html
https://twitter.com/nattyover/status/1175150366033420293?s=19
The alleged mastermind (according to the article) is a German ex-tax official based in Switzerland. The bank mentioned in the article (HypoVereinsbank) appears to be based in Germany.
Next stop must be the Nobel Peace Prize.
I recall one of the arguments being that prorogation stopped Parliament cancelling it.
https://twitter.com/cnnsport/status/1175024956125655042?s=19
Weirdly the really diverse sport in Japan is Sumo.