At this rate the Tories will fall below Labour when the election comes and the LibDems will be vying with the SNP for third party status ..... Titter ....
"I think one point we are all forgetting - particularly when looking at the polling - is that acts that are illegal, unconstitutional or downright crazy are not necessarily unpopular. A few obvious examples spring to mind - Bonar Law's support for the UVF, Thatcher's use of the police without showing their numbers in the miners' strike, George III sacking Portland in 1783. And that's just in this country - de Gaulle's coup in 1958 would also be a good example. The key was the people doing the rule breaking were popular and those being hammered were not.
Johnson remains personally popular due to his TV appearances, and he is offering to leave the EU which, like it or not, whether its supporters know what they're doing or not, is a popular programme. So the fact he is breaking every rule in the book and a number that aren't may not condemn him as it should."
My response:-
Indeed. It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong. And having a government which does this degrades our polity, degrades our country and should be criticised. Morality and legality do not depend on popularity. They matter more - in the end - than popularity. Without integrity we are nothing as a people or as a country, however unfashionable or unpopular it may be to say so.
I expect more to follow after Clarke's statement. It signals a walking-away.
Bye then if so.
Maybe the Wets can takeover the LDs. At least then when Brexit is behind us there's a party that could align with the Tories. Then the LDs can die again.
Corbyn has to come out now. completely in favour of revote and revoke, to staunch the bleeding of votes to the Lib Dems.
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
Again I predicted this last week. If Britain post Bexitref copies Scotland post indyref, then the party most opposed to Brexit - Lib Dems - should greatly benefit from the polarisation, just as the Scots Tories benefited from being the hardcore Unionist party.
Where do these departing/expelled Tory europhiles go ? Themselves, their friends and family, their personal votes, their time, their money, their political capacity. In Physics energy can neither be destroyed or created. Where does the energy that has been part of the Tory Party since at least Heath go ?
Amber Rudd was a very bizarre cabinet appointment.
Suspect she just took the position so she'd be able to resign and go out in a blaze of glory?
Given it makes her look pretty silly to have taken the appointment, which cast suspicion on her principles given her well known position on no deal, I think it more likely she simply fooled herself into thinking we would not end up in a position much like this and hoped something would come up which would prevent the need to take the hard decision to resign. Her talk of no longer believing achieving a new deal is the main objective is either phony, or ad admission she was a fool.
As the old world burns the new conservatives celebrate their poll leads.
LOL. 14% lead in YouGov probably matters more than Rudd (maj 346) flouncing out.
If you are right and BXP will forgive Boris for not getting us out by November, should his latest wheeze fail. The lead could otherwise be as ephemeral as those 10% leads May had earlier this year. Remember them?
That joke doesn't work so well when the Tories have a FOURTEEN point lead, against a horribly split opposition, which would deliver an utterly enormous landslide.
Corbyn has to come out now. completely in favour of revote and revoke, to staunch the bleeding of votes to the Lib Dems.
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
Again I predicted this last week. If Britain post Bexitref copies Scotland post indyref, then the party most opposed to Brexit - Lib Dems - should greatly benefit from the polarisation, just as the Scots Tories benefited from being the hardcore Unionist party.
"It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election" - have you got a crystal ball or something? If this is how you feel, pile into Tory Majority at what for you would seem a generous 2/1. Free money no?
"I think one point we are all forgetting - particularly when looking at the polling - is that acts that are illegal, unconstitutional or downright crazy are not necessarily unpopular. A few obvious examples spring to mind - Bonar Law's support for the UVF, Thatcher's use of the police without showing their numbers in the miners' strike, George III sacking Portland in 1783. And that's just in this country - de Gaulle's coup in 1958 would also be a good example. The key was the people doing the rule breaking were popular and those being hammered were not.
Johnson remains personally popular due to his TV appearances, and he is offering to leave the EU which, like it or not, whether its supporters know what they're doing or not, is a popular programme. So the fact he is breaking every rule in the book and a number that aren't may not condemn him as it should."
My response:-
Indeed. It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong. And having a government which does this degrades our polity, degrades our country and should be criticised. Morality and legality do not depend on popularity. They matter more - in the end - than popularity. Without integrity we are nothing as a people or as a country, however unfashionable or unpopular it may be to say so.
And if you need any further reason why, watch the BBC's rise of the Nazis to see what happens when politics operates outside the law.
That joke doesn't work so well when the Tories have a thirteen point lead, against a horribly split opposition, which would deliver an utterly enormous landslide.
TSE's header is rather biased, as well.
They also have a 5% lead with the 2017 general election's most accurate pollster.
Did the establishment really think it could just keep delaying Brexit and putting the country on hold without the whole thing starting to fracture and disintegrate? I stand by my post of earlier in the year, anti incumbency is the thing for 2019, being the sitting MP will be a drawback. The swamp is going to drain
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
Where do these departing/expelled Tory europhiles go ? Themselves, their friends and family, their personal votes, their time, their money, their political capacity. In Physics energy can neither be destroyed or created. Where does the energy that has been part of the Tory Party since at least Heath go ?
Politics is not a closed system. It looks like a lot of it will go into business, the professions, journalism, etc. To a certain extent moderate Conservatives are now acquiescing to the entryist takeover of their party by the radical right and simply walking away.
Corbyn has to come out now. completely in favour of revote and revoke, to staunch the bleeding of votes to the Lib Dems.
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
Again I predicted this last week. If Britain post Bexitref copies Scotland post indyref, then the party most opposed to Brexit - Lib Dems - should greatly benefit from the polarisation, just as the Scots Tories benefited from being the hardcore Unionist party.
"It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election" - have you got a crystal ball or something? If this is how you feel, pile into Tory Majority at what for you would seem a generous 2/1. Free money no?
Corbyn simply can't win. Ever. He can't win Scotland, he will never take seats in rich southern England, he's invisible in the shires, he's LOSING ground everywhere, he's an unelectable, Jew-hating, quasi-communist shitbag.
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
Corbyn has to come out now. completely in favour of revote and revoke, to staunch the bleeding of votes to the Lib Dems.
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
Again I predicted this last week. If Britain post Bexitref copies Scotland post indyref, then the party most opposed to Brexit - Lib Dems - should greatly benefit from the polarisation, just as the Scots Tories benefited from being the hardcore Unionist party.
"It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election" - have you got a crystal ball or something? If this is how you feel, pile into Tory Majority at what for you would seem a generous 2/1. Free money no?
Perhaps you can explain how Labour will become more attractive to voters, because they don't seem to be making any progress in elections or polls.
As the old world burns the new conservatives celebrate their poll leads.
LOL. 14% lead in YouGov probably matters more than Rudd (maj 346) flouncing out.
If you are right and BXP will forgive Boris for not getting us out by November, should his latest wheeze fail. The lead could otherwise be as ephemeral as those 10% leads May had earlier this year. Remember them?
Difference is May wanted an extension. She pushed for it. On a free vote in March she voted for it, a minority of her party to do so. She voted again no deal, again on a free vote.
Boris is a different kettle of fish altogether. If we're still in the EU come November it will show why Boris needs a majority, not that Boris wasn't a real Brexiteer. Actions like Rudd's will reinforce that.
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
It really isnt any of those. Not least because it makes holding Rudd's seat a tall order
Boris has with YouGov tonight reunited Leavers and conservatives behind the Tories and given them the biggest projected Tory majority since Maggie Thatcher with YouGov and Opinium while leading with the other pollsters too.
If Rudd wishes to join the Tory rebels in refusing to deliver the Brexit 17 million voted for and leave the party fine, if more want to follow Lee to the LDs fine too. They might even ensure the Liberals replace Corbyn Labour as the main opponent to the Tories within a decade which would be no bad thing in my view.
On most of tonight's polls the LDs are now closer to Corbyn Labour than Corbyn Labour are to the Tories
"I think one point we are all forgetting - particularly when looking at the polling - is that acts that are illegal, unconstitutional or downright crazy are not necessarily unpopular. A few obvious examples spring to mind - Bonar Law's support for the UVF, Thatcher's use of the police without showing their numbers in the miners' strike, George III sacking Portland in 1783. And that's just in this country - de Gaulle's coup in 1958 would also be a good example. The key was the people doing the rule breaking were popular and those being hammered were not.
Johnson remains personally popular due to his TV appearances, and he is offering to leave the EU which, like it or not, whether its supporters know what they're doing or not, is a popular programme. So the fact he is breaking every rule in the book and a number that aren't may not condemn him as it should."
My response:-
Indeed. It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong. And having a government which does this degrades our polity, degrades our country and should be criticised. Morality and legality do not depend on popularity. They matter more - in the end - than popularity. Without integrity we are nothing as a people or as a country, however unfashionable or unpopular it may be to say so.
I agree with all of that. But then, even though I am not a lawyer, I also like to think of myself as fairly well-informed on political matters.
Unfortunately, all Johnson and Cummings care about is popularity. They are both interested solely in votes, neither have any principles, and both of them for all their expensive education have no understanding of the theory or history of government and how it has evolved over time. They are closer to Corbyn and Chavez than Theresa May and Kenneth Clarke.
What should really give both Johnson and for that matter Bercow pause is the number of very alarming precedents they are setting that could be exploited should Corbyn or someone even more dangerous like Lavery become PM. But it won't, because they are incapable of thinking more than about a minute ahead.
"I think one point we are all forgetting - particularly when looking at the polling - is that acts that are illegal, unconstitutional or downright crazy are not necessarily unpopular. A few obvious examples spring to mind - Bonar Law's support for the UVF, Thatcher's use of the police without showing their numbers in the miners' strike, George III sacking Portland in 1783. And that's just in this country - de Gaulle's coup in 1958 would also be a good example. The key was the people doing the rule breaking were popular and those being hammered were not.
Johnson remains personally popular due to his TV appearances, and he is offering to leave the EU which, like it or not, whether its supporters know what they're doing or not, is a popular programme. So the fact he is breaking every rule in the book and a number that aren't may not condemn him as it should."
My response:-
Indeed. It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong. And having a government which does this degrades our polity, degrades our country and should be criticised. Morality and legality do not depend on popularity. They matter more - in the end - than popularity. Without integrity we are nothing as a people or as a country, however unfashionable or unpopular it may be to say so.
And if you need any further reason why, watch the BBC's rise of the Nazis to see what happens when politics operates outside the law.
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
Neither here nor there. She's appeared quite unprincipled recently in any event and by Monday it will be forgotten.
FPT It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong.
Well said. There is this myth that when people criticise they think that everyone else will be outraged too, but it has been repeatedly accepted that there is at the least a chance that the current course the Tories are on will be electorally successful. One doesn't have to think it unpopular to think it wrong.
Clearly, the advantage of resigning last thing on Saturday night is that Cummings is pissed when he anonymously briefs the media and makes an utter bellend of himself with nonsensical claims.
Corbyn has to come out now. completely in favour of revote and revoke, to staunch the bleeding of votes to the Lib Dems.
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
Again I predicted this last week. If Britain post Bexitref copies Scotland post indyref, then the party most opposed to Brexit - Lib Dems - should greatly benefit from the polarisation, just as the Scots Tories benefited from being the hardcore Unionist party.
"It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election" - have you got a crystal ball or something? If this is how you feel, pile into Tory Majority at what for you would seem a generous 2/1. Free money no?
Corbyn simply can't win. Ever. He can't win Scotland, he will never take seats in rich southern England, he's invisible in the shires, he's LOSING ground everywhere, he's an unelectable, Jew-hating, quasi-communist shitbag.
Get. Rid. Of. Him.
To be fair to Corbyn he has raised issues which the establishment politicians weren't interested in.
From student debt to housing to buses.
Irrelevancies perhaps to the smug haves but vital to millions.
As far as they will go, or an olive branch to negotiations? A lot of Tories who would be hurt by BXP standing will not be in that group, as he eagerly knows, but will a hard position from Boris appease Farage sufficiently to go easy on some less strident than the spartans?
I knew that opendemocracy article had something in it. Unless the situation between the Liberals and Labour changes, Remain are in considerable trouble.
If I was Boris I'd be a little concerned about my mid-term prospects as leader. The Tory Right are relishing their blood bath. I doubt they have much ideological respect for Boris but just see him as a useful tool for securing Hard Brexit. I can easily imagine them booting Boris out to be replaced with one of their own kind once his usefulness has ended.
I expect more to follow after Clarke's statement. It signals a walking-away.
Bye then if so.
Maybe the Wets can takeover the LDs. At least then when Brexit is behind us there's a party that could align with the Tories. Then the LDs can die again.
Good chance of Labour taking Hastings in context of a split Tory vote.
"I think one point we are all forgetting - particularly when looking at the polling - is that acts that are illegal, unconstitutional or downright crazy are not necessarily unpopular. A few obvious examples spring to mind - Bonar Law's support for the UVF, Thatcher's use of the police without showing their numbers in the miners' strike, George III sacking Portland in 1783. And that's just in this country - de Gaulle's coup in 1958 would also be a good example. The key was the people doing the rule breaking were popular and those being hammered were not.
Johnson remains personally popular due to his TV appearances, and he is offering to leave the EU which, like it or not, whether its supporters know what they're doing or not, is a popular programme. So the fact he is breaking every rule in the book and a number that aren't may not condemn him as it should."
My response:-
Indeed. It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong. And having a government which does this degrades our polity, degrades our country and should be criticised. Morality and legality do not depend on popularity. They matter more - in the end - than popularity. Without integrity we are nothing as a people or as a country, however unfashionable or unpopular it may be to say so.
Except he has not broken the law. As two court cases have proved he has remained within the law. You may not like what he has done but given the example set by Bercow for ignoring precedent, to claim this is some uniquely evil act is very wide of the mark
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
That was the LD pitch last time. Second time's the charm?
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
Neither here nor there. She's appeared quite unprincipled recently in any event and by Monday it will be forgotten.
As far as they will go, or an olive branch to negotiations? A lot of Tories who would be hurt by BXP standing will not be in that group, as he eagerly knows, but will a hard position from Boris appease Farage sufficiently to go easy on some less strident than the spartans?
It gives Farage the ability to soft pedal or hard throttle according to 'events'
I knew that opendemocracy article had something in it. Unless the situation between the Liberals and Labour changes, Remain are in considerable trouble.
It means there is zero point going for a general election.
The best option is to find a suitable leader and call a do or die second referendum with say May's Deal as the leave option (as it's the only existing one).
As the old world burns the new conservatives celebrate their poll leads.
LOL. 14% lead in YouGov probably matters more than Rudd (maj 346) flouncing out.
If you are right and BXP will forgive Boris for not getting us out by November, should his latest wheeze fail. The lead could otherwise be as ephemeral as those 10% leads May had earlier this year. Remember them?
Difference is May wanted an extension. She pushed for it. On a free vote in March she voted for it, a minority of her party to do so. She voted again no deal, again on a free vote.
Boris is a different kettle of fish altogether. If we're still in the EU come November it will show why Boris needs a majority, not that Boris wasn't a real Brexiteer. Actions like Rudd's will reinforce that.
You say that, but Farage and his chums give off different noises. Are they wrong, or fibbing?
So what's the opinion of the Brexiteers here? Is Amber Rudd's resignation: (1) Quite good for Boris (2) Very good for Boris or (3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
It really isnt any of those. Not least because it makes holding Rudd's seat a tall order
So many people have not grasped what Dom Cummings clearly has grasped, and which I have been banging on about for several weeks
Brexit is a revolution. It's way more than a political upheaval, it's an overturning of everything we understand about British elections, meanwhile, all received political opinions are rendered worthless. The only thing similar to this, in recent UK history, is Scotland post indyref, where Labour completely collapsed after a century of dominance - but Brexit is even bigger than that.
So, yes, it doesn't matter if the Tories lose Guildford IF they can win Gateshead and Grimsby. And things that would once have badly damaged a prine minister -- his minister brother resigning, a Cabinet minister following, etc etc - no longer count for much, if they count for anything, because chaos is expected, and priced in. IT'S A REVOLUTION.
I must say I am thoroughly enjoying seeing all these political careers crash and burn. A mass clear out of these MPs at the next election will be most welcome.
And yet millions do because he promises them Brexit, which they expect whatever the cost.
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn go for a picnic in the woods. Suddenly they look up and see a grizzly bear watching them with a hungry look on its face.
They jump up and run. But the bear follows, and is clearly gaining, when Johnson stops and puts on trainers.
'Are you crazy?' shouts Corbyn. 'They won't help you outrun the bear!'
'Screw the bear,' replies Johnson, catching Corbyn up and effortlessly overtaking him, 'all I have to do is outrun you.'
And because it is Corbyn he might well still outdo him on trust, integrity, competence...
As far as they will go, or an olive branch to negotiations? A lot of Tories who would be hurt by BXP standing will not be in that group, as he eagerly knows, but will a hard position from Boris appease Farage sufficiently to go easy on some less strident than the spartans?
Its pointless as Farage cannot make those voters go Conservative.
Those that want to do so will do so irrespective of what Farage says.
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@ydoethur said:
"I think one point we are all forgetting - particularly when looking at the polling - is that acts that are illegal, unconstitutional or downright crazy are not necessarily unpopular. A few obvious examples spring to mind - Bonar Law's support for the UVF, Thatcher's use of the police without showing their numbers in the miners' strike, George III sacking Portland in 1783. And that's just in this country - de Gaulle's coup in 1958 would also be a good example. The key was the people doing the rule breaking were popular and those being hammered were not.
Johnson remains personally popular due to his TV appearances, and he is offering to leave the EU which, like it or not, whether its supporters know what they're doing or not, is a popular programme. So the fact he is breaking every rule in the book and a number that aren't may not condemn him as it should."
My response:-
Indeed. It is one reason why I think his approach could win him the next GE.
But it is still wrong. Breaking the law is wrong. And having a government which does this degrades our polity, degrades our country and should be criticised. Morality and legality do not depend on popularity. They matter more - in the end - than popularity. Without integrity we are nothing as a people or as a country, however unfashionable or unpopular it may be to say so.
Maybe the Wets can takeover the LDs. At least then when Brexit is behind us there's a party that could align with the Tories. Then the LDs can die again.
Suspect she just took the position so she'd be able to resign and go out in a blaze of glory?
Tory leads of 3%, 10% and 14% show that we need to take all polling with a pinch of salt.
Betfair Exchange has hardly moved on NOM, Tory majority odds.
Political events will as ever drive opinion and there is a hell of lot of this match to play...
Corbyn has to come out now. completely in favour of revote and revoke, to staunch the bleeding of votes to the Lib Dems.
It's too late for him to stop Labour being roundly beaten in any election, but right now he risks - as you say - Labour being supplanted as the opposition.
Again I predicted this last week. If Britain post Bexitref copies Scotland post indyref, then the party most opposed to Brexit - Lib Dems - should greatly benefit from the polarisation, just as the Scots Tories benefited from being the hardcore Unionist party.
https://twitter.com/rtayloruk/status/1020721701112483841?s=21
Came here to break the Amber news and it's already a header!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NofWFKSMiM4
TSE's header is rather biased, as well.
Overinflated ego. Should have been one of the 21.
Does he think that an MP from Guildford is more valuable than an MP from elsewhere ?
Perhaps some people think the Conservative party should be for 'people like us' rather than 'people like them'.
#godwin
I stand by my post of earlier in the year, anti incumbency is the thing for 2019, being the sitting MP will be a drawback. The swamp is going to drain
https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/1170434063657787393?s=21
(1) Quite good for Boris
(2) Very good for Boris or
(3) Orgasmically good for Boris?
So be wise PBers and do less of the predicting and more of the looking for value bets.
Get. Rid. Of. Him.
Boris is a different kettle of fish altogether. If we're still in the EU come November it will show why Boris needs a majority, not that Boris wasn't a real Brexiteer. Actions like Rudd's will reinforce that.
What a shrinking party it is,
If Rudd wishes to join the Tory rebels in refusing to deliver the Brexit 17 million voted for and leave the party fine, if more want to follow Lee to the LDs fine too. They might even ensure the Liberals replace Corbyn Labour as the main opponent to the Tories within a decade which would be no bad thing in my view.
On most of tonight's polls the LDs are now closer to Corbyn Labour than Corbyn Labour are to the Tories
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1170431743997992962
https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1170435422247366657?s=21
Unfortunately, all Johnson and Cummings care about is popularity. They are both interested solely in votes, neither have any principles, and both of them for all their expensive education have no understanding of the theory or history of government and how it has evolved over time. They are closer to Corbyn and Chavez than Theresa May and Kenneth Clarke.
What should really give both Johnson and for that matter Bercow pause is the number of very alarming precedents they are setting that could be exploited should Corbyn or someone even more dangerous like Lavery become PM. But it won't, because they are incapable of thinking more than about a minute ahead.
Boris' "do or die" attitude resonates with the voters. Who'd a thunk it?
We voted to leave in 2016. Most people are fed up with the pathetic games Parliament has played since then to avoid implementing the result.
The people, not parliament, are sovereign. MPs are our servants, not our masters.
But Amber Rudd surely risks a Simon Danczuk-like humiliation with a derisory few hundred votes.
This is the key line
You can't trust Bozo
From student debt to housing to buses.
Irrelevancies perhaps to the smug haves but vital to millions.
https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1170435422247366657?s=21
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1170369849819848710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=prlWGe2EHro
If they really believe what they say about Boris they'd not be afraid to let the public pass their verdict on him...
Of course, Lavery hasn't spotted that minor detail yet, but I'm willing to bet Swinson has.
https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1170413427745050624?s=21
The best option is to find a suitable leader and call a do or die second referendum with say May's Deal as the leave option (as it's the only existing one).
Con 33.7%
Lab 24.7%
LD 18.3%
BRX 13.3%
Brexit is a revolution. It's way more than a political upheaval, it's an overturning of everything we understand about British elections, meanwhile, all received political opinions are rendered worthless. The only thing similar to this, in recent UK history, is Scotland post indyref, where Labour completely collapsed after a century of dominance - but Brexit is even bigger than that.
So, yes, it doesn't matter if the Tories lose Guildford IF they can win Gateshead and Grimsby. And things that would once have badly damaged a prine minister -- his minister brother resigning, a Cabinet minister following, etc etc - no longer count for much, if they count for anything, because chaos is expected, and priced in. IT'S A REVOLUTION.
They jump up and run. But the bear follows, and is clearly gaining, when Johnson stops and puts on trainers.
'Are you crazy?' shouts Corbyn. 'They won't help you outrun the bear!'
'Screw the bear,' replies Johnson, catching Corbyn up and effortlessly overtaking him, 'all I have to do is outrun you.'
And because it is Corbyn he might well still outdo him on trust, integrity, competence...
Those that want to do so will do so irrespective of what Farage says.