I think that’s already been dealt with. The government can bring forward legislation to specifically require a GE on a certain date.
What's with the 14th? Would we really have a GE on a Monday?
Days before the last EU council meeting before 31st October
It does make sense and I just cannot see how labour reject it but retain any credibility
For me it has to come and to be honest I am willing to accept the verdict of the people in a GE and whatever will be will be
I am the same. Roll the dice. Let democracy speak. What will be will be. Anything is better than this endless horror.
Well me too tbf. If Boris campaigns on No Deal and wins a majority, so be it. At least the country will have voted for No Deal in that situation.
Is this a rare but important moment of PB accord?
I hope so. We are all democrats. Aren’t we? Then let an election decide it all.
If the Scots vote for 100 MPs, let them have a referendum and go indy. So be it. If the Libs win, let them revoke Brexit, and make sandals compulsory on weekdays. If Corbyn wins out, and wants Chavez style communism, fair enough, I’ll likely leave for Greece, but fair enough.
Let us choose. And put an end to the gruesome and endless pantomime we have now.
Exactly my attitude.
Lets have a GE and shake it all out
Mind you my cruise to Canada and US takes me away from the 14th September to the 8th October so I get the pleasure of missing all the campaigns
Cummings is doing all he can to revive the 2017 Tory electoral coalition, but in doing so is also giving Labour the best possible chance of reviving its one. And this time with added LibDem and SNP interest in seats Labour can’t win. It’s a huge gamble.
Well true but that is the only way the Tories can win, reviving May's post extension coalition which saw the Tories get just 9% in the European elections and get beaten by the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour and come third in the Peterborough by election was a disaster.
The LDs are also polling higher than in 2017 and Labour is polling lower
My guess is that Labour will end up in the high 20s/low 30s. The key to Johnson’s victory will be how well the LibDems do - and where.
I would say unprincipled but not vacuous. He's clearly very clever, cleverer than Cameron. But I thought he came over as damaged.
Yes, I very much sense something like that.
He reminds me of Jimmy Savile.
Not in a defamatory sense - I don't mean that - but in the bluff deflecting 'persona', never quite serious, hiding what is really at the core, which could be quite dark, or it could be - and this in a sense is the darkest of all - NOTHING.
Patrick Bateman. Tom Ripley. And, yes, Jimmy Savile These types. You know what I mean?
Yes and also not wanting to be defamatory but I agree with you totally. There's something not quite right about him.
Boris is very unnerving like that in real life. I met him twice, and he’s friendly, but in a somewhat sinister way. He’s a very odd guy.
Cummings is doing all he can to revive the 2017 Tory electoral coalition, but in doing so is also giving Labour the best possible chance of reviving its one. And this time with added LibDem and SNP interest in seats Labour can’t win. It’s a huge gamble.
I think most Remain voters can easily spot the difference between common or garden Labour MPs and raging Corbynites (who are fewer in number). I’d expect a huge tactical voting campaign and, given nobody expects a Corbo majority, people feeling safe to vote Labour. As you say, similar to 2017.
Demographic change brings interesting seats into play like Chingford & Woodford Green, a leafy seat in the far north London suburbs close to Epping Forest, which was once a Tory stronghold, which went marginally for Remain. Arch Leaver IDS has a fight on his hands there now.
He won’t be facing a Brexit party candidate - unlike many Labour MPs in the north.
Cummings is doing all he can to revive the 2017 Tory electoral coalition, but in doing so is also giving Labour the best possible chance of reviving its one. And this time with added LibDem and SNP interest in seats Labour can’t win. It’s a huge gamble.
Well true but that is the only way the Tories can win, reviving May's post extension coalition which saw the Tories get just 9% in the European elections and get beaten by the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour and come third in the Peterborough by election was a disaster.
The LDs are also polling higher than in 2017 and Labour is polling lower
But the Tory lead is much smaller than it was in late April 2017 - six weeks before Polling Day.
If there's an early election what happens to the boundary commission proposals? Do they die and we start again, or could they be voted on next Parliament?
This desperate - utterly desperate - desire to be loved was really obvious the one time I met Johnson. He has charisma, but you could tell that he totally needed the attention of the room. I guess a lot of politicians are like this. But I've met 5 former or future PMs as well as other former Cabinet ministers and other senior politicians and none of them were like this. I feel absolutely certain that things will end very badly for him. And for us as long as he is in power.
And yet Churchill famously had the same problem. Narcissism.
It can be bad, it can be good. Depends on the context.
True but most of our election winning PMs, Churchill (in 1951), Wilson, Thatcher, Blair, Cameron etc had masses of charisma and narcissism, as does Boris
But logically your argument only works if you can show that election losing PMs had less in the way of charisma and narcissism. Indeed the prima facie hypothesis might be that it was the ones with lots of self-deluding narcissism who were prone to lose.
On the whole they did, Home, Heath, Major (in 1997), Brown and May (in the sense she lost her majority in 2017) all lacked charisma or certainly the charisma of election winning PMs. The charismatic Wilson did lose to the dull Heath once in 1970 but beat him 3 times more in 1966, Feb and Oct 1974 and beat Home in 1964 too.
Attlee is probably the only example of a postwar non charismatic PM who won more than 1 general election, but he was largely pre the TV age, came to power when social reforms he promised were felt to be badly needed and of course overall even he lost to Churchill in 1951, to Eden in 1955 and to Baldwin in 1935 even though he won in 1945 and 1950
Cummings is doing all he can to revive the 2017 Tory electoral coalition, but in doing so is also giving Labour the best possible chance of reviving its one. And this time with added LibDem and SNP interest in seats Labour can’t win. It’s a huge gamble.
Well true but that is the only way the Tories can win, reviving May's post extension coalition which saw the Tories get just 9% in the European elections and get beaten by the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour and come third in the Peterborough by election was a disaster.
The LDs are also polling higher than in 2017 and Labour is polling lower
But the Tory lead is much smaller than it was in late April 2017 - six weeks before Polling Day.
Boris isn't May.
This election is clearly needed and not just cynically trying to capitalise on opinion poll leads like May.
If the rebels manage to pass the measure blocking No Deal is Boris going to regret the prorogation?
He may need more parliamentary time than remains until 9th September in order to repeal the FTPA.
Why would this parliament repeal the FTPA?
Well that was just one option for bringing about an early GE being mooted earlier. But tbf it sounds like Corbyn would support the FTPA 2/3rds vote anyway.
This desperate - utterly desperate - desire to be loved was really obvious the one time I met Johnson. He has charisma, but you could tell that he totally needed the attention of the room. I guess a lot of politicians are like this. But I've met 5 former or future PMs as well as other former Cabinet ministers and other senior politicians and none of them were like this. I feel absolutely certain that things will end very badly for him. And for us as long as he is in power.
Blimey - you've met 5 PMs?
Yes. I wasn't trying to show off, just putting my comments on Johnson in some context.
No, I didn't think you were trying to show off but as someone who has never met a single cabinet minister, let alone a PM, I was impressed!
Almost without fail they have been pretty much exactly as you would have imagined. Callaghan - avuncular; Major - lovely; Blair - articulate; Cameron - slick; Johnson - desperate. They were all superficial interactions from their POV, only Callaghan knew who I was.
Looks like the SCons are going into the election leaderless, and SLab might as well be, for all the good Leonard does.
Does this matter?
Yes.
Sturgeon and Rennie have an open field.
The Last election was "Nicola or Ruth"
This one will be "Nicola or BoZo"
Slam dunk.
The SNP are still polling below 2015 levels when Ruth was still Tory leader in Scotland
How do you know? We haven’t had any Scottish VI polls since June.
Not one Westminster Scottish subsample has had the SNP even matching the 50% they got in 2015
Tut tut. You really ought to know better - especially given you are conversing with Stuart - a man who spent what seemed liked several decades in the PB cooler simply for citing said subsamples.
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I would say unprincipled but not vacuous. He's clearly very clever, cleverer than Cameron. But I thought he came over as damaged.
Yes, I very much sense something like that.
He reminds me of Jimmy Savile.
Not in a defamatory sense - I don't mean that - but in the bluff deflecting 'persona', never quite serious, hiding what is really at the core, which could be quite dark, or it could be - and this in a sense is the darkest of all - NOTHING.
Patrick Bateman. Tom Ripley. And, yes, Jimmy Savile These types. You know what I mean?
Yes and also not wanting to be defamatory but I agree with you totally. There's something not quite right about him.
Boris is very unnerving like that in real life. I met him twice, and he’s friendly, but in a somewhat sinister way. He’s a very odd guy.
I'd hesitantly suggest that anyone *interesting* is slightly odd. Because being not-odd is normal, and normal is distinctly uninteresting.
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
I think that’s already been dealt with. The government can bring forward legislation to specifically require a GE on a certain date.
What's with the 14th? Would we really have a GE on a Monday?
Days before the last EU council meeting before 31st October
It does make sense and I just cannot see how labour reject it but retain any credibility
For me it has to come and to be honest I am willing to accept the verdict of the people in a GE and whatever will be will be
I am the same. Roll the dice. Let democracy speak. What will be will be. Anything is better than this endless horror.
Well me too tbf. If Boris campaigns on No Deal and wins a majority, so be it. At least the country will have voted for No Deal in that situation.
Is this a rare but important moment of PB accord?
I hope so. We are all democrats. Aren’t we? Then let an election decide it all.
If the Scots vote for 100 MPs, let them have a referendum and go indy. So be it. If the Libs win, let them revoke Brexit, and make sandals compulsory on weekdays. If Corbyn wins out, and wants Chavez style communism, fair enough, I’ll likely leave for Greece, but fair enough.
Let us choose. And put an end to the gruesome and endless pantomime we have now.
Exactly my attitude.
Lets have a GE and shake it all out
Mind you my cruise to Canada and US takes me away from the 14th September to the 8th October so I get the pleasure of missing all the campaigns
Probably a blessing.
It is Ben. Indeed I am more relaxed tonight than a long time
I hope it comes to pass, we need a new HOC and I will accept the result and move on
If the rebels manage to pass the measure blocking No Deal is Boris going to regret the prorogation?
He may need more parliamentary time than remains until 9th September in order to repeal the FTPA.
Why would this parliament repeal the FTPA?
Well that was just one option for bringing about an early GE being mooted earlier. But tbf it sounds like Corbyn would support the FTPA 2/3rds vote anyway.
Of course he would as will all LOTO always ever, unless they had the Parliamentary numbers to get a majority already which is the only time the FTPA makes a difference.
We get this nonsense about 2/3rds all the time but the second the PM stands at the podium and says we are having an election, we are having an election. The oppositions votes are a mere formality.
This desperate - utterly desperate - desire to be loved was really obvious the one time I met Johnson. He has charisma, but you could tell that he totally needed the attention of the room. I guess a lot of politicians are like this. But I've met 5 former or future PMs as well as other former Cabinet ministers and other senior politicians and none of them were like this. I feel absolutely certain that things will end very badly for him. And for us as long as he is in power.
Blimey - you've met 5 PMs?
Yes. I wasn't trying to show off, just putting my comments on Johnson in some context.
No, I didn't think you were trying to show off but as someone who has never met a single cabinet minister, let alone a PM, I was impressed!
Almost without fail they have been pretty much exactly as you would have imagined. Callaghan - avuncular; Major - lovely; Blair - articulate; Cameron - slick; Johnson - desperate. They were all superficial interactions from their POV, only Callaghan knew who I was.
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
If its the end of Bozo then its also the end of Brexit and that would be very lucky indeed.
If the rebels manage to pass the measure blocking No Deal is Boris going to regret the prorogation?
He may need more parliamentary time than remains until 9th September in order to repeal the FTPA.
Why would this parliament repeal the FTPA?
Well that was just one option for bringing about an early GE being mooted earlier. But tbf it sounds like Corbyn would support the FTPA 2/3rds vote anyway.
Of course he would as will all LOTO always ever, unless they had the Parliamentary numbers to get a majority already which is the only time the FTPA makes a difference.
We get this nonsense about 2/3rds all the time but the second the PM stands at the podium and says we are having an election, we are having an election. The oppositions votes are a mere formality.
Yes, I think you're right. In hindsight it didn't offer the protection to junior coalition parties it was intended to.
I would say unprincipled but not vacuous. He's clearly very clever, cleverer than Cameron. But I thought he came over as damaged.
Yes, I very much sense something like that.
He reminds me of Jimmy Savile.
Not in a defamatory sense - I don't mean that - but in the bluff deflecting 'persona', never quite serious, hiding what is really at the core, which could be quite dark, or it could be - and this in a sense is the darkest of all - NOTHING.
Patrick Bateman. Tom Ripley. And, yes, Jimmy Savile These types. You know what I mean?
Yes and also not wanting to be defamatory but I agree with you totally. There's something not quite right about him.
Boris is very unnerving like that in real life. I met him twice, and he’s friendly, but in a somewhat sinister way. He’s a very odd guy.
I'd hesitantly suggest that anyone *interesting* is slightly odd. Because being not-odd is normal, and normal is distinctly uninteresting.
Generally. But he was odd, slightly sinister, and not hugely interesting.
My well considered response is tbat you are as bad as the racists, tarring people not bevause of their views and actions but because of their associations. I presume you consider all 17 million who voted for Brexit to be racists. That is why you are part of the problem not the solution.
You are entitled to your opinion, however (ahem) interesting that opinion might be. I can't see how I've said anything that logically leads to your comments, and your offensive comments seem based on utter defensiveness - i.e. from a poor position.
But sheer offensiveness seems to be all you can offer nowadays, sadly.
As for calling me 'as bad as the racists': you might want to look at whose side you are on, and the moral metal of your fellow travellers.
I think that’s already been dealt with. The government can bring forward legislation to specifically require a GE on a certain date.
What's with the 14th? Would we really have a GE on a Monday?
Days before the last EU council meeting before 31st October
It does make sense and I just cannot see how labour reject it but retain any credibility
For me it has to come and to be honest I am willing to accept the verdict of the people in a GE and whatever will be will be
I am the same. Roll the dice. Let democracy speak. What will be will be. Anything is better than this endless horror.
Well me too tbf. If Boris campaigns on No Deal and wins a majority, so be it. At least the country will have voted for No Deal in that situation.
Is this a rare but important moment of PB accord?
I hope so. We are all democrats. Aren’t we? Then let an election decide it all.
If the Scots vote for 100 MPs, let them have a referendum and go indy. So be it. If the Libs win, let them revoke Brexit, and make sandals compulsory on weekdays. If Corbyn wins out, and wants Chavez style communism, fair enough, I’ll likely leave for Greece, but fair enough.
Let us choose. And put an end to the gruesome and endless pantomime we have now.
Exactly my attitude.
Lets have a GE and shake it all out
Mind you my cruise to Canada and US takes me away from the 14th September to the 8th October so I get the pleasure of missing all the campaigns
Probably a blessing.
It is Ben. Indeed I am more relaxed tonight than a long time
I hope it comes to pass, we need a new HOC and I will accept the result and move on
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
This desperate - utterly desperate - desire to be loved was really obvious the one time I met Johnson. He has charisma, but you could tell that he totally needed the attention of the room. I guess a lot of politicians are like this. But I've met 5 former or future PMs as well as other former Cabinet ministers and other senior politicians and none of them were like this. I feel absolutely certain that things will end very badly for him. And for us as long as he is in power.
And yet Churchill famously had the same problem. Narcissism.
It can be bad, it can be good. Depends on the context.
True but most of our election winning PMs, Churchill (in 1951), Wilson, Thatcher, Blair, Cameron etc had masses of charisma and narcissism, as does Boris
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
That would be the champagne scenario.
Who is going to attempt an accumulator on Boz, Jez and Swinz all losing their seats?
So long and don't let the door hit you on the way out. No way BXP can attract Tory/BXP waverers when people like Gauke are being expelled.
No way the Tory party can retain sane former Tory voters if they have any deal with the BXP
Forget no deal Brexit: No deal election.
Let Farage rant and rave and attract Labour Leave supporting never-Tories, no harm in that. Anyone torn between Tory and BXP should have an easy choice and make it themselves, no need for a deal. We don't need a deal with Farage, we can beat him and Corbyn.
If the rebels manage to pass the measure blocking No Deal is Boris going to regret the prorogation?
He may need more parliamentary time than remains until 9th September in order to repeal the FTPA.
Why would this parliament repeal the FTPA?
Well that was just one option for bringing about an early GE being mooted earlier. But tbf it sounds like Corbyn would support the FTPA 2/3rds vote anyway.
Of course he would as will all LOTO always ever, unless they had the Parliamentary numbers to get a majority already which is the only time the FTPA makes a difference.
We get this nonsense about 2/3rds all the time but the second the PM stands at the podium and says we are having an election, we are having an election. The oppositions votes are a mere formality.
Yes, I think you're right. In hindsight it didn't offer the protection to junior coalition parties it was intended to.
Let’s wait and see - if tomorrow’s act passes why let Boris have an election - he will be leading a minority Government unable to pass anything
My well considered response is tbat you are as bad as the racists, tarring people not bevause of their views and actions but because of their associations. I presume you consider all 17 million who voted for Brexit to be racists. That is why you are part of the problem not the solution.
You are entitled to your opinion, however (ahem) interesting that opinion might be. I can't see how I've said anything that logically leads to your comments, and your offensive comments seem based on utter defensiveness - i.e. from a poor position.
But sheer offensiveness seems to be all you can offer nowadays, sadly.
As for calling me 'as bad as the racists': you might want to look at whose side you are on, and the moral metal of your fellow travellers.
There you go again. So all 17 million who voted to Leave sre racists in your eyes. You really are an arrogant prick.
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
I think something dramatic will result from this election actually. I have a feeling the country will swing decisively one way or another in 2019. People have had enough and want resolution... What will that resolution be?
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
That would be the champagne scenario.
Who is going to attempt an accumulator on Boz, Jez and Swinz all losing their seats?
My well considered response is tbat you are as bad as the racists, tarring people not bevause of their views and actions but because of their associations. I presume you consider all 17 million who voted for Brexit to be racists. That is why you are part of the problem not the solution.
You are entitled to your opinion, however (ahem) interesting that opinion might be. I can't see how I've said anything that logically leads to your comments, and your offensive comments seem based on utter defensiveness - i.e. from a poor position.
But sheer offensiveness seems to be all you can offer nowadays, sadly.
As for calling me 'as bad as the racists': you might want to look at whose side you are on, and the moral metal of your fellow travellers.
There you go again. So all 17 million who voted to Leave sre racists in your eyes. You really are an arrogant prick.
If there's an early election what happens to the boundary commission proposals? Do they die and we start again, or could they be voted on next Parliament?
So long and don't let the door hit you on the way out. No way BXP can attract Tory/BXP waverers when people like Gauke are being expelled.
No way the Tory party can retain sane former Tory voters if they have any deal with the BXP
Forget no deal Brexit: No deal election.
Let Farage rant and rave and attract Labour Leave supporting never-Tories, no harm in that. Anyone torn between Tory and BXP should have an easy choice and make it themselves, no need for a deal. We don't need a deal with Farage, we can beat him and Corbyn.
Yes but you lose to the SNP and Lib Dems and that may be a lot of seats if you chuck out the people you seem to be throwing out.
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
I suspect a seriously hung parliament might be the outcome, with LDs and SNP holind the balance.
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
That would be the champagne scenario.
Who is going to attempt an accumulator on Boz, Jez and Swinz all losing their seats?
It is not impossible
Absolutely, that's why I expect at least 1, if not 2 of them, to nip into a vacant seat which might be deemed 'safer'.
I shall never forgive for not resigning as Justice Secretary over the furore around Worboys. Not because he deserved to resign, but because I got on really good odds of him being the next Cabinet Minister out when the story was in the news, I could have made a packet.
If there's an early election what happens to the boundary commission proposals? Do they die and we start again, or could they be voted on next Parliament?
So long and don't let the door hit you on the way out. No way BXP can attract Tory/BXP waverers when people like Gauke are being expelled.
That's a fine idea, as long as the number of Tory/BXP waverers prevented from moving to the BXP exceeds the number of people repelled by Conservatives (and they are Conservatives) being thrown out.
That might be where your idea falls down.
For one, the Conservatives have irretrievably lost my vote under the current regime.
I believe the usual response is: "We don;t need your vote!"
I would say unprincipled but not vacuous. He's clearly very clever, cleverer than Cameron. But I thought he came over as damaged.
Yes, I very much sense something like that.
He reminds me of Jimmy Savile.
Not in a defamatory sense - I don't mean that - but in the bluff deflecting 'persona', never quite serious, hiding what is really at the core, which could be quite dark, or it could be - and this in a sense is the darkest of all - NOTHING.
Patrick Bateman. Tom Ripley. And, yes, Jimmy Savile These types. You know what I mean?
Yes and also not wanting to be defamatory but I agree with you totally. There's something not quite right about him.
Boris is very unnerving like that in real life. I met him twice, and he’s friendly, but in a somewhat sinister way. He’s a very odd guy.
I have twice encountered Boris in real life. On the first occasion, he shook me by the hand and hoped that I would vote for him, as I exited Waterloo Station. I said that I would love to, but as the train I had been on had last stopped in Hampshire, it was likely that no-one on it was eligible to vote for him. On the other occasion I was nearly taken out by a mop-headed cyclist trying to beat the traffic as I crossed one of the side streets to Piccadilly
If there's an early election what happens to the boundary commission proposals? Do they die and we start again, or could they be voted on next Parliament?
Depends on the outcome of the election. If there's a working Conservative majority I see no reason why they couldn't just be waved through. If there's a working Labour majority then they'll presumably start counting the voters again, once they've had the ones they disapprove of put in internment camps or exiled. The revolution is not going to be much fun for the Jews, the bankers or Tories (not that the Stalinist tendency make much distinction between those three groups, of course.)
My well considered response is tbat you are as bad as the racists, tarring people not bevause of their views and actions but because of their associations. I presume you consider all 17 million who voted for Brexit to be racists. That is why you are part of the problem not the solution.
You are entitled to your opinion, however (ahem) interesting that opinion might be. I can't see how I've said anything that logically leads to your comments, and your offensive comments seem based on utter defensiveness - i.e. from a poor position.
But sheer offensiveness seems to be all you can offer nowadays, sadly.
As for calling me 'as bad as the racists': you might want to look at whose side you are on, and the moral metal of your fellow travellers.
(1) you don't say anything that logically leads RT to accuse you of confusing causes and their adherents (2) "you might want to look at whose side you are on"
Funniest outcome - Tories win a majority but Boris loses his seat. I know that's not technically an impediment to him being made PM, but what a sight it would be.
Still don't see the point as Labour will be expecting to win the election and can then stop Brexit themselves.
Passing a motion to stop No Deal is surely an admission they expect to lose (or at the very least not win) the election?
That's how it will be played, but they can easily defend it on the basis that they are just being careful, particularly around him setting the date. And politically it hurts Boris, so it is worth doing.
Did the Remainers really not stop, for a second, and think: Wait, how will this look?
Really?
My guess is that the Letwins and Grieves were so wrapped up in their own parliamentary cleverness, they entirely forgot how they would be perceived.
It’s utterly disastrous for their cause. And it will be pinned, with vigor, to Labour and Lib Dem lapels. They are the parties that want to kidnap Britain and give it to Brussels, to be slowly ass-fucked.
When it comes to a general election both Labour and Tory parties will be losing votes overall in comparison to 2017. it depends on where they lose those votes as to where they lose seats.
If Tory / Labour lose votes to Brexit/LibDem in their safer seats then there will be little change from last time, but there will be some, and it would depend on how this churn turns out in what happens.
If Tory / Labour lose votes equally in their marginals see the last paragraph.
What I suspect will happen is that both parties will lose votes and seats in Scotland to the SNP. I can see a 50 - 56 seat SNP again depending on how the Lib Dems will do. I wouldn't put it past the Lib Dems from standing down in seats that they are not going to win in Scotland and recommend voting for the SNP in those seats.
The other thing I suspect will happen is that the LibDems will gain votes in the former Lib Dem seats where Cameron squeezed them so effectively in 2015. This may be aided by an agreement with Greens / PC.
the interesting set of seats is the Con/Lab marginals where Con could gain in leave areas and Labour in Remain.
Any MP voting for an election is risking a no deal - as Boris could win a majority.
Which is why Bozza and Jezbollah will both be Unhappy Bunnies. Take Back Control means taking over from the Establishment. They are the establishment...
When it comes to a general election both Labour and Tory parties will be losing votes overall in comparison to 2017. it depends on where they lose those votes as to where they lose seats.
If Tory / Labour lose votes to Brexit/LibDem in their safer seats then there will be little change from last time, but there will be some, and it would depend on how this churn turns out in what happens.
If Tory / Labour lose votes equally in their marginals see the last paragraph.
What I suspect will happen is that both parties will lose votes and seats in Scotland to the SNP. I can see a 50 - 56 seat SNP again depending on how the Lib Dems will do. I wouldn't put it past the Lib Dems from standing down in seats that they are not going to win in Scotland and recommend voting for the SNP in those seats.
The other thing I suspect will happen is that the LibDems will gain votes in the former Lib Dem seats where Cameron squeezed them so effectively in 2015. This may be aided by an agreement with Greens / PC.
the interesting set of seats is the Con/Lab marginals where Con could gain in leave areas and Labour in Remain.
The LDs will not stand down for the SNP, they are firmly anti Scottish independence under Swinson
My well considered response is tbat you are as bad as the racists, tarring people not bevause of their views and actions but because of their associations. I presume you consider all 17 million who voted for Brexit to be racists. That is why you are part of the problem not the solution.
You are entitled to your opinion, however (ahem) interesting that opinion might be. I can't see how I've said anything that logically leads to your comments, and your offensive comments seem based on utter defensiveness - i.e. from a poor position.
But sheer offensiveness seems to be all you can offer nowadays, sadly.
As for calling me 'as bad as the racists': you might want to look at whose side you are on, and the moral metal of your fellow travellers.
(1) you don't say anything that logically leads RT to accuse you of confusing causes and their adherents (2) "you might want to look at whose side you are on"
Pick one.
I'm on the side of myself first, my family a very close second, my beloved country a third, and humanity a fourth. In this, I'm probably like most of us.
So long and don't let the door hit you on the way out. No way BXP can attract Tory/BXP waverers when people like Gauke are being expelled.
No way the Tory party can retain sane former Tory voters if they have any deal with the BXP
They can as long as the alternative is Corbyn, even the most anti Brexit ones at most will vote LD not Corbyn Labour and then probably only in LD v Tory marginals not Labour v Tory marginals
Did the Remainers really not stop, for a second, and think: Wait, how will this look?
Really?
My guess is that the Letwins and Grieves were so wrapped up in their own parliamentary cleverness, they entirely forgot how they would be perceived.
It’s utterly disastrous for their cause. And it will be pinned, with vigor, to Labour and Lib Dem lapels. They are the parties that want to kidnap Britain and give it to Brussels, to be slowly ass-fucked.
I wonder how Labour MPs in strongly Leave seats will feel about this. Signing up to a clause compelling the PM to do what he's told by the EU will not be well received by a lot of voters in their constuencies.
Did the Remainers really not stop, for a second, and think: Wait, how will this look?
Really?
My guess is that the Letwins and Grieves were so wrapped up in their own parliamentary cleverness, they entirely forgot how they would be perceived.
It’s utterly disastrous for their cause. And it will be pinned, with vigor, to Labour and Lib Dem lapels. They are the parties that want to kidnap Britain and give it to Brussels, to be slowly ass-fucked.
Cummings is doing all he can to revive the 2017 Tory electoral coalition, but in doing so is also giving Labour the best possible chance of reviving its one. And this time with added LibDem and SNP interest in seats Labour can’t win. It’s a huge gamble.
Well true but that is the only way the Tories can win, reviving May's post extension coalition which saw the Tories get just 9% in the European elections and get beaten by the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour and come third in the Peterborough by election was a disaster.
The LDs are also polling higher than in 2017 and Labour is polling lower
Euro elections are irrelevant. If they were relevant Farage won in 2015.
Even opinion polls had the Tories third until Boris looked like succeeding May
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Attlee is probably the only example of a postwar non charismatic PM who won more than 1 general election, but he was largely pre the TV age, came to power when social reforms he promised were felt to be badly needed and of course overall even he lost to Churchill in 1951, to Eden in 1955 and to Baldwin in 1935 even though he won in 1945 and 1950
This election is clearly needed and not just cynically trying to capitalise on opinion poll leads like May.
Wait for the polls next week.
Well that was just one option for bringing about an early GE being mooted earlier. But tbf it sounds like Corbyn would support the FTPA 2/3rds vote anyway.
Tut tut. You really ought to know better - especially given you are conversing with Stuart - a man who spent what seemed liked several decades in the PB cooler simply for citing said subsamples.
Neobrexitism really has addled your mind.
14th October 2019 UK general election will be
1. The first October general election since 1974
2. The first day a general election hasn't been held on a Thursday since 1931.
Of the three general elections that have been held in October since 1918 Labour have won one narrowly (1974) and Con have won two with landslides (1924 and 1931)
On the whole the omens don't look good for Labour but for Marxists everywhere October is the month of revolution so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUDEpqyJ-_w
It could be the end of both Boris and Jezza (if we're lucky).
I hope it comes to pass, we need a new HOC and I will accept the result and move on
I love how the concept of the SNP not quite reaching 50% is seen as a disaster, whereas the Tories creeping above 30% is seen as an immense victory.
We get this nonsense about 2/3rds all the time but the second the PM stands at the podium and says we are having an election, we are having an election. The oppositions votes are a mere formality.
"I stood up for Britain by expelling Churchill's grandson..."
So long and don't let the door hit you on the way out. No way BXP can attract Tory/BXP waverers when people like Gauke are being expelled.
But sheer offensiveness seems to be all you can offer nowadays, sadly.
As for calling me 'as bad as the racists': you might want to look at whose side you are on, and the moral metal of your fellow travellers.
Either sloppy or partisan reporting from Harry Cole.
Let Farage rant and rave and attract Labour Leave supporting never-Tories, no harm in that. Anyone torn between Tory and BXP should have an easy choice and make it themselves, no need for a deal. We don't need a deal with Farage, we can beat him and Corbyn.
However, might there be an issue with registration?
ie Deadline for registering to vote will / may be before many students arrive for the start of the University term.
But they’ve said we won’t lesve without a deal
So...
Passing a motion to stop No Deal is surely an admission they expect to lose (or at the very least not win) the election?
That might be where your idea falls down.
For one, the Conservatives have irretrievably lost my vote under the current regime.
I believe the usual response is: "We don;t need your vote!"
(2) "you might want to look at whose side you are on"
Pick one.
LDs and Greens should let Labour have a clear run in Uxbridge.
Really?
My guess is that the Letwins and Grieves were so wrapped up in their own parliamentary cleverness, they entirely forgot how they would be perceived.
It’s utterly disastrous for their cause. And it will be pinned, with vigor, to Labour and Lib Dem lapels. They are the parties that want to kidnap Britain and give it to Brussels, to be slowly ass-fucked.
If Tory / Labour lose votes to Brexit/LibDem in their safer seats then there will be little change from last time, but there will be some, and it would depend on how this churn turns out in what happens.
If Tory / Labour lose votes equally in their marginals see the last paragraph.
What I suspect will happen is that both parties will lose votes and seats in Scotland to the SNP. I can see a 50 - 56 seat SNP again depending on how the Lib Dems will do. I wouldn't put it past the Lib Dems from standing down in seats that they are not going to win in Scotland and recommend voting for the SNP in those seats.
The other thing I suspect will happen is that the LibDems will gain votes in the former Lib Dem seats where Cameron squeezed them so effectively in 2015. This may be aided by an agreement with Greens / PC.
the interesting set of seats is the Con/Lab marginals where Con could gain in leave areas and Labour in Remain.
I understood him to be referring to a non-FTPA motion for an election which was mooted earlier, in which case, yes.
Only fight the battles you standa chance of winning is a good rule.
Your point is?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1168560598650621953?s=20
In all cases the PM recommends (fixes) the date of the GE which HM appoints. (FTPA 2(7) ).