I cannot believe it would be very good for Johnson to have 20 deselected Tory MPs openly advocating during an election campaign that he not be supported and was unfit for PM.Hestletine and others would be likely to reinforce that message.
I think you underestimate how many of the electorate think along the lines of "If I don't do my job, or am crap at work, or play silly buggers, I get fired. These MPs have been playing silly buggers for years and deserve to be fired."
They're wrong. It's precisely because MPs HAVE been doing their job that they've stopped the coming calamity up to this point.
The politicians vs the people is precisely the narrative that Dominic Cummings hopes to create...
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
That is why MPs need to remove Boris from office. It kills No Deal. Faffing about with legislation just plays into johnsons/cummings hands. The nuclear option is the only option...
Where do you think Boris is going to go if he's brought down by an unsustainable and absurd rainbow coalition of losers?
It doesn't kill No Deal. Boris will still be there, as LOTO and representing over 300 MPs in the Commons. He will still be there at the ensuing General Election needing only a handful of gains to gain a majority.
In fact merely holding all seats won in 2017 will be enough as the bastards who brought him down from his own side will be replaced by those willing to enact the manifesto.
This is an important point to make. I think Boris should be brought down, and I hope no deal will be avoided, but as you say that is not guaranteed just by MPs taking Boris down, and in fact could risk the opposite. But I do think no deal is very likely if they don't try to do it.
I think it could definitely risk the opposite.
If we go into the election without an agreed deal it puts immense pressure on Boris to kill off the BXP to pledge a clean Brexit as the only remaining option. Do that and the BXP stand down.
Whereas if Boris isn't brought down and Europe looks into the whites of our eyes and think Parliament has blinked we're leaving deal or no deal, I think that is our one chance to get Europe to blink too.
It is just possible that Johnson’s “plan” is election -> majority -> extend -> renegotiate -> deal -> Brexit?
With the security of five years of majority government in the bank he can afford to ignore the threat of the Brexit Party, and unless the Parliamentary Party changes significantly the ERG will not have the votes to get rid of him.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
That is why MPs need to remove Boris from office. It kills No Deal. Faffing about with legislation just plays into johnsons/cummings hands. The nuclear option is the only option...
Where do you think Boris is going to go if he's brought down by an unsustainable and absurd rainbow coalition of losers?
It doesn't kill No Deal. Boris will still be there, as LOTO and representing over 300 MPs in the Commons. He will still be there at the ensuing General Election needing only a handful of gains to gain a majority.
In fact merely holding all seats won in 2017 will be enough as the bastards who brought him down from his own side will be replaced by those willing to enact the manifesto.
You make a lot of asumptions. I dont agree with you as a BJ cheerleader. BJ will be screwed politically and MPs can get on with A50 extension and plan an equitable way out of this.
On that timetable, I would expect the Government to announce its intention on Thursday to schedule a general election (by the 2/3rds route) in order for the debate and vote to be scheduled on Friday, the date of the election being scheduled for the beginning of November.
Friday's parliamentary business would then be scuppered.
It was predicted within hours of Boris becoming PM if not before he become PM! Try for no deal, be stopped, then claim parliament vs the people in an election and hope BXP play ball.
There's a world of difference between a guest and somebody who has just been fired.
Its not extremely unusual in a business with security if someone is fired to have security escort them out of the building. Downing Street isn't a business and the Police are the security there, but I see no reason the same principle shouldn't apply.
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
Cornyn's Brexit policy is not actually barmy, it's just that it is not remainy enough for most of his MPs, members and supporters, who would therefore pay barely lip service to the 'renegotiate' part of it, so the message of what Labour are after gets confused a bit.
Good article. But will the anti-Boris people find a cunning plan which is pro something instead of against something?
Labour's policy is to negotiate a different deal based on different red lines and put it to the electorate in a referendum. To get there they want to legislate to prevent no deal and hold a general election that they want to win so they are in a position to negotiate a different deal. This plan is not particularly cunning but it is definitely one with its own defined objective and is not simply about saying no.
aha - so they get this great deal and then at a referendum campaign against it?
And of course the EU will negotiate a great deal with a counter party that will recommend against its acceptance.
Do you realise how stupid that looks?
I did say it wasn't a very cunning plan! To be fair it is not clear what side if any Labour will take in the referendum. I think it is reasonable to give the public a final say on the deal once we know what it looks like, and I believe there is majority support in polls for that referendum to take place. So it's a reasonable position for them to take. For a long time Labour did not have a coherent position but a lot of people seem reluctant to accept that they have now arrived at a plan of sorts. It certainly is not as stupid as the current government's approach, and it is far from the truth to claim that the party is simply saying no to everything, as many people here keep saying.
Give me a break - several times they have said they will recommend remaining.
Explain to me how this puts Labour in a better position to negotiate than the tories?
Because they aren't proceeding on the basis of something that has been deemed completely unacceptable to the other side.
It's apparently that having a dashboard website = the Apollo Programme (400,000 workers, 10s of billions of dollars). The article appears to have been written by an idiot.
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
But LEAVING IS THE START not the end.
Does nobody understand this????
Yes, but it is also the end of an important phase. Does nobody understand that whenever they moan about it being the start not the end? When people claim the people want it stopped (personally I am not convinced of that, people may say that but then reject ways to stop it, one way or another) that doesn't mean that people don't know there is plenty that will come after.
I heard a caller to the AQ phone in state we should leave w/o a deal, then rejoin next year if we didn't like it.
I kid you not.
Perfectly reasonable and democratic. Better than trying to frustrate leaving.
Remainers should have become Rejoiners after the referendum rather than trying to frustrate Brexit.
And utter bollocks. Like trying to rebuild fresh eggs from an omelette.
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
Boris will still be there, as LOTO and representing over 300 MPs in the Commons. He will still be there at the ensuing General Election needing only a handful of gains to gain a majority.
He said he would do or die, and he didn't do.
If the ERG don't oust him, Nigel Fucking Farage has promised to stand a candidate in every constituency which would completely destroy the Tories in an election.
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
Tories +DUP had a majority to pass it. It was their policy. They didn't. It's their failure.
Of course it is not.
It was of national importance and 40 or so labour mps have since indicated they would support it
Do the Tories and the DUP have a majority? Yes
Did they have a bigger majority before WA1? Yes
Their failure.
Nope.
May's deal wasn't a Tory+DUP deal. And all MPs in Parliament are responsible for how they vote not just government MPs.
Utter bollocks.
May negotiated the deal WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE ELSE. It was a Tory deal. Tory red lines.
Good article. But will the anti-Boris people find a cunning plan which is pro something instead of against something?
Labour's policy is to negotiate a different deal based on different red lines and put it to the electorate in a referendum. To get there they want to legislate to prevent no deal and hold a general election that they want to win so they are in a position to negotiate a different deal. This plan is not particularly cunning but it is definitely one with its own defined objective and is not simply about saying no.
aha - so they get this great deal and then at a referendum campaign against it?
And of course the EU will negotiate a great deal with a counter party that will recommend against its acceptance.
Do you realise how stupid that looks?
I did say it wasn't a very cunning plan! To be fair it is not clear what side if any Labour will take in the referendum. I think it is reasonable to give the public a final say on the deal once we know what it looks like, and I believe there is majority support in polls for that referendum to take place. So it's a reasonable position for them to take. For a long time Labour did not have a coherent position but a lot of people seem reluctant to accept that they have now arrived at a plan of sorts. It certainly is not as stupid as the current government's approach, and it is far from the truth to claim that the party is simply saying no to everything, as many people here keep saying.
Give me a break - several times they have said they will recommend remaining.
Explain to me how this puts Labour in a better position to negotiate than the tories?
Because they aren't proceeding on the basis of something that has been deemed completely unacceptable to the other side.
So how will Labour get a better deal and then if this deal is so much better why will they recommend against accepting it?
Your party did say it would accept the referendum result did it not?
Cummings has discovered RAG status reporting as a project management tool?
Perhaps I have an unfair view of them, but isn't it the standard operating procedure of those who see themselves as visionary svengalis to claim tremendous insight for bog standard techniques and theories?
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
That is why MPs need to remove Boris from office. It kills No Deal. Faffing about with legislation just plays into johnsons/cummings hands. The nuclear option is the only option...
Where do you think Boris is going to go if he's brought down by an unsustainable and absurd rainbow coalition of losers?
It doesn't kill No Deal. Boris will still be there, as LOTO and representing over 300 MPs in the Commons. He will still be there at the ensuing General Election needing only a handful of gains to gain a majority.
In fact merely holding all seats won in 2017 will be enough as the bastards who brought him down from his own side will be replaced by those willing to enact the manifesto.
You make a lot of asumptions. I dont agree with you as a BJ cheerleader. BJ will be screwed politically and MPs can get on with A50 extension and plan an equitable way out of this.
Which assumption am I making? Everything I said there is accurate.
Boris will still be LOTO - accurate, as leader of the largest party opposite that is his automatic job title. Do you think facing an election he's been planning for he'll resign rather than face it?
Representing over 300 MPs in the Commons - accurate unless you are expecting 12 or more resignations, even then it would still be nearly 300 an incredible number for a LOTO.
He will need a handful of gains to gain a majority - accurate. Practice on election night is to ignore defections and by-elections and to go off the last election results. So if the Tories eg regain Soubry's seat that is a hold not a gain. 5 gains would provide a working majority.
Holding all seats won in 2017 would be enough - accurate again, for same reason as above, so long as an agreement were reached with DUP again afterwards.
None of that says Boris would win, but the idea he'd just accept a VONC and go quietly into the goodnight rather than face the election as either PM or LOTO is bizarre to say the least. Where do you think he'd go and why?
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
TM's deal was awful and thankfully enough Tory MP's and DUP put country before party and blocked it.
Surprisingly, or not, enough opposition MPs put party before what they claim is good for the country and blocked it too. So we are where we are.
Watching your mental contortions offers one of the view opportunities for genuine joy in these dark times. Tories and DUP blocking deal = Churchillian heroes. Labour MPs doing exactly same thing = Traitorous deviants. Isn't it possible that both sides rejected the deal for the same reason, that they thought it was a bad deal that went against their country's interests?
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
Tories +DUP had a majority to pass it. It was their policy. They didn't. It's their failure.
Of course it is not.
It was of national importance and 40 or so labour mps have since indicated they would support it
Do the Tories and the DUP have a majority? Yes
Did they have a bigger majority before WA1? Yes
Their failure.
Nope.
May's deal wasn't a Tory+DUP deal. And all MPs in Parliament are responsible for how they vote not just government MPs.
Utter bollocks.
May negotiated the deal WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE ELSE. It was a Tory deal. Tory red lines.
Tory deal. Not Tory+DUP deal which is what you said.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Cummings has discovered RAG status reporting as a project management tool?
Perhaps I have an unfair view of them, but isn't it the standard operating procedure of those who see themselves as visionary svengalis to claim tremendous insight for bog standard techniques and theories?
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
Whats the choice in the referendum and what choice will Labour recommend?
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
Indeed Big G - this is the reason Boris will not delay beyond 31st. Ending the uncertainty is a bigger prize than the method of leaving.
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
You missed out that they then campaign against their own deal and to remain
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
I live in Newcastle and work in working class County Durham. What’s your glorious perspective?
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
You missed out that they then campaign against their own deal and to remain
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
TM's deal was awful and thankfully enough Tory MP's and DUP put country before party and blocked it.
Surprisingly, or not, enough opposition MPs put party before what they claim is good for the country and blocked it too. So we are where we are.
Watching your mental contortions offers one of the view opportunities for genuine joy in these dark times. Tories and DUP blocking deal = Churchillian heroes. Labour MPs doing exactly same thing = Traitorous deviants. Isn't it possible that both sides rejected the deal for the same reason, that they thought it was a bad deal that went against their country's interests?
No because both claim different things for what the countries interests are.
The legal default set was if there is no agreement then we leave without a deal. Tory hardliners looked at the deal and said "no, I'd rather leave without a deal".
Labour MPs looked at the deal and said "we don't want no deal but we want to screw over the Tories".
There is nothing in the WDA different to Labour's proposals. Customs union, single market, same rules - every single thing Labour asked for was in the WDA for the duration of the transition - at the same time as Labour are saying that no deal is apocalyptic and must be stopped.
If no deal is so bad then there's a simple solution. Tories who rejected the deal though aren't claiming no deal is bad.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Simply saying he will win it does not render it true, even if the opposing view is coming from an echo chamber. As it happens I think he has a decent chance of winning at the moment, but it being the plan is no reason to think so, people have plans that don't pan out all the time. And given not everyone thinks he would lose, and the idea this was the plan all along has been put many times over many months, the idea there is an echo chamber that could not see that doesn't fit in any case.
I thought this was meant to be the bit when Johnnie Foreigner would throw up his arms and wave his white handkerchief, undone by the vim and pluck of our red blooded English heroes?
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
The multi dimensional chess game in Scotland is impossible to read. My guess is the Scottish courts will stop the implementation of no deal Brexit in Scotland without Scottish government support this week. This will set up a showdown with Boris. He will have to decide if to ditch Scotland or a hard brexit.
Hardly a blow to a government which wasn't giving itself time to pass a new deal even if it could have gotten one. A big fat no from the EU is what they want - everyone is against them, parliament, the EU, and only the people can help them deliver (we mean you, Nigel!).
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Its funny you keep saying PB is an echo chamber! i find it ironic...
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
Tories +DUP had a majority to pass it. It was their policy. They didn't. It's their failure.
Of course it is not.
It was of national importance and 40 or so labour mps have since indicated they would support it
Do the Tories and the DUP have a majority? Yes
Did they have a bigger majority before WA1? Yes
Their failure.
Nope.
May's deal wasn't a Tory+DUP deal. And all MPs in Parliament are responsible for how they vote not just government MPs.
Utter bollocks.
May negotiated the deal WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE ELSE. It was a Tory deal. Tory red lines.
I think the WA would have been virtually the same, whatever the red lines were. The red lines come into play with the political declaration and negotiation of the post transition relationship. Which aren’t set in stone.
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
Tories +DUP had a majority to pass it. It was their policy. They didn't. It's their failure.
Of course it is not.
It was of national importance and 40 or so labour mps have since indicated they would support it
Do the Tories and the DUP have a majority? Yes
Did they have a bigger majority before WA1? Yes
Their failure.
Nope.
May's deal wasn't a Tory+DUP deal. And all MPs in Parliament are responsible for how they vote not just government MPs.
Utter bollocks.
May negotiated the deal WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE ELSE. It was a Tory deal. Tory red lines.
Tory deal. Not Tory+DUP deal which is what you said.
Tories don't have a majority.
If all the Tories had supported the WA in MV3, it would have passed.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
You missed out that they then campaign against their own deal and to remain
It is totally barmy
But Wilson's 1975 Referendum allowed Cabinet members to campaign against continued EEC membership - eg Micheal Foot - Tony Benn- Barbara Castle - Peter Shore - John Silkin - Judith Hart.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
That’s all absolutely fine and I hope those people will be the first to volunteer to accept personally the consequences of a disorderly Brexit, not just in the immediate aftermath but for as long as necessary.
It is not fine though is it. It is a complete breakdown of all of our politicians
TM had the deal and it should have been agreed
Tories +DUP had a majority to pass it. It was their policy. They didn't. It's their failure.
Of course it is not.
It was of national importance and 40 or so labour mps have since indicated they would support it
Do the Tories and the DUP have a majority? Yes
Did they have a bigger majority before WA1? Yes
Their failure.
Nope.
May's deal wasn't a Tory+DUP deal. And all MPs in Parliament are responsible for how they vote not just government MPs.
Utter bollocks.
May negotiated the deal WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE ELSE. It was a Tory deal. Tory red lines.
Tory deal. Not Tory+DUP deal which is what you said.
Tories don't have a majority.
If all the Tories had supported the WA in MV3, it would have passed.
Tories aren't the only MPs in Parliament.
Thankfully some Tories recognised no deal was better than May's deal and put country before party politics and rejected it. The fact that you're still obsessing about parties rather than what is right and wrong for the country means you seem to think party politics matters more than the country.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Why must you resort to insults just because people disagree with you? Again, as it happens, I disagree with Mr Meeks because I think parliament will give him an election as they will hope to martial enough anger at no deal to cobble together an alliance to oppose him (whether they can do that I am far less confident of), but while I'm all for a bit of rough and tumble, the mere fact you are utterly certain of how things will progress does not mean others are dense for disagreeing, not even if you are vindicated.
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
You missed out that they then campaign against their own deal and to remain
It is totally barmy
But Wilson's 1975 Referendum allowed Cabinet members to campaign against continued EEC membership - eg Micheal Foot - Tony Benn- Barbara Castle - Peter Shore - John Silkin - Judith Hart.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Sure. Jeremy Corbyn says: “Sure. Just as soon as you agree a six month extension with the EU so I can negotiate my own deal when I win the general election.”
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
No problem having an election - just sort out an extension giving us 3 months after the election date.
I believe the one to fear an election now is ironically Corbyn as his brexit policy is as barmy as ever and his message confused to say the least
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
No - his policy is actually very similar to what Harold Wilson advocated in advance of the 1974 elections - Reject the present deal - renegotiate - Referendum.
You missed out that they then campaign against their own deal and to remain
It is totally barmy
But Wilson's 1975 Referendum allowed Cabinet members to campaign against continued EEC membership - eg Micheal Foot - Tony Benn- Barbara Castle - Peter Shore - John Silkin - Judith Hart.
I’m willing to engage you properly on this.
Do you think Labour will be able to focus this election on issues other than Brexit this time? I doubt it.
Haven’t we learnt from 2016 that a nuanced, perhaps sensible policy is drowned out by simple and misleading statements? ‘Bollocks to Brexit’ vs Boris. How does Labour compete?
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Why must you resort to insults just because people disagree with you? Again, as it happens, I disagree with Mr Meeks because I think parliament will give him an election as they will hope to martial enough anger at no deal to cobble together an alliance to oppose him (whether they can do that I am far less confident of), but while I'm all for a bit of rough and tumble, the mere fact you are utterly certain of how things will progress does not mean others are dense for disagreeing, not even if you are vindicated.
I think you are on the wrong thread. Or asleep at the wheel....
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
The Cummings/Johnson strategy may work, but it depends totally on people who hate their guts doing exactly what C/J want them to do: Political opponents to grant them an election that favours them. Labour voters to switch to the Lib Dems because they don't like Brexit and accidentally voting in a Conservative instead.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Sure. Jeremy Corbyn says: “Sure. Just as soon as you agree a six month extension with the EU so I can negotiate my own deal when I win the general election.”
I like it, and could potentially work if Corbyn wasn’t just the most unpopular LOTO in history but also the most incompetent.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
Corbyn has to go for it. The remainers have been trapped.
And despite all the insults i receive, I VOTED REMAIN!
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Trapped? If Boris is in office then we leave 31 October.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
Corbyn has to go for it. The remainers have been trapped.
And despite all the insults i receive, I VOTED REMAIN!
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Trapped? If Boris is in office then we leave 31 October.
You need to remove Boris if you want a change.
You may be about to discover your mistake on that.
Another example of the crass stupidity of our mps, All police at Downing Street are armed
It is not as if she was handcuffed and weapons drawn
Actually that's not true, not all police in Number 10 are armed, they weren't armed when I visited.
Plus when Operation Temperer was activated in 2017 the reason was to replace unarmed officers with armed soldiers and Downing Street saw their unarmed officers replaces with soldiers
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Trapped? If Boris is in office then we leave 31 October.
You need to remove Boris if you want a change.
You may be about to discover your mistake on that.
If you think legislative means alone can secure an extension with a PM determined to use any means available to avoid it then I think you're playing Russian Roulette.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
Corbyn has to go for it. The remainers have been trapped.
And despite all the insults i receive, I VOTED REMAIN!
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
Corbyn has to go for it. The remainers have been trapped.
And despite all the insults i receive, I VOTED REMAIN!
Its cut productivity because of all of those moronic Remoaners spending all their time whining about Brexit instead of getting on and doing their jobs.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Do you think they can deny it? I don’t think it would be politically possible to.
Corbyn rejecting the opportunity for a GE. Not a chance
Corbyn has to go for it. The remainers have been trapped.
And despite all the insults i receive, I VOTED REMAIN!
Another example of the crass stupidity of our mps, All police at Downing Street are armed
It is not as if she was handcuffed and weapons drawn
Actually that's not true, not all police in Number 10 are armed, they weren't armed when I visited.
Plus when Operation Temperer was activated in 2017 the reason was to replace unarmed officers with armed soldiers and Downing Street saw their unarmed officers replaces with soldiers
Thank you and I accept your comment
However, it is still far too dramatic to say that she was escorted out by armed officers.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Trapped? If Boris is in office then we leave 31 October.
You need to remove Boris if you want a change.
And he cant be removed without putting Corbyn (or a Corbyn acolyte) in charge....Which will utterly destroy Con Remainers and the LDs.And these are the oppo Cummings is playing against. Not Labour!
Jeez this is so obvious yet none of you seem to see it....It is "heads i win, tails you lose"
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Trapped? If Boris is in office then we leave 31 October.
You need to remove Boris if you want a change.
You may be about to discover your mistake on that.
Just an honest question Alastair.
Do you think a GE now would change the overall numbers and by default the deadlock
The Cummings/Johnson strategy may work, but it depends totally on people who hate their guts doing exactly what C/J want them to do: Political opponents to grant them an election that favours them. Labour voters to switch to the Lib Dems because they don't like Brexit and accidentally voting in a Conservative instead.
I'm getting extremely fed up with ERG types talking about the government calling an election, as though the government can do such a thing anymore. Unfortunately for the stable genius in No. 10 and his puppetmaster their opponents have to play ball if their is to be an election.
To be honest there are so many utterly barmy things being said and tweeted there is little doubt the whole country has gone round the bend
At least with those political geeks repetitively fighting their own unyielding corner
However, I have news for them, the vast majority are not into the detail but they are wanting this stopped. Arguing over further extensions ( which I agree with ) is not winning the public battle, as seen in the polls and is ironically strengthening Boris nee Cummings
Boris has a clear message we are out on the 31st October and that is what people want to hear and frankly they do not care too much for the consequences. I have several anecdotes along these lines
Indeed Big G - this is the reason Boris will not delay beyond 31st. Ending the uncertainty is a bigger prize than the method of leaving.
Boris would be ending one uncertainty only to replace it by an even bigger uncertainty: about the basis on which pretty much all our trade and other interactions with the world outside these islands will be done. Especially as even the legislation necessary for a No Deal exit will not have been completed by 31 October.
So to take two examples from my current project: an investigation team currently based in the UK does investigations for other EU countries and receives data from those countries to do so. It also sends people to those countries when necessary to carry out those investigations.
Post 31 October it is wholly unclear whether it can continue to operate in that way. The likelihood is not. The entity’s risk has just gone up considerably because it now has to manage those investigations in a different way at short notice - and finding skilled investigators in those EU countries is not an easy task. The likelihood is that some of the jobs currently located in London, Leeds and Scotland will need to be moved overseas. That’s just one tiny bit of one very large organisation facing uncertainty and costs and reorganisation and a likely loss of UK jobs.
It won’t mean visible chaos on day one so Brexiteers will crow about Project Fear having been overstated again. But the effects of that uncertainty will be there and will accumulate over time. It is foolish to suppose otherwise. You may think it worth it.
But let’s not pretend that any sort of uncertainty is ending on 31 October or that this will be the end of Brexit.
I am beginning to think that if Boris nee Cummings frames this as a remain parliament obstructing the vote and he has no choice but to call a GE to put democracy and the people first v the HOC, the elite, HOL and the EU he could just win
He will win. This thread is an echo chamber and just doesnt get it.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Of course he wants an election. But he can’t get one without the cooperation of his opponents. They’re unlikely to give it
Which means Corbyn a PM for 6 months. WHICH DESTROYS CON REMAINERS AND THE LIB DEMS WHEN THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN APRIL.
Just how dense are you people?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Mr Rees-Mogg, who went to Balmoral to gain the Queen's approval for the dramatic suspension last week, lays down the gauntlet as an exclusive Mail on Sunday poll predicts Mr Johnson would win a majority of 28 seats in an Election – rising to 84 if Nigel Farage's Brexit Party stands aside.
35% - Tory 24% - Labour 18% - Lib Dem 14% - Brexit
I think Boris will do well in an election but I’m not convinced the vote will be efficient. They will pile up new votes in Labour seats with huge majorities but not win them.
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If we go into the election without an agreed deal it puts immense pressure on Boris to kill off the BXP to pledge a clean Brexit as the only remaining option. Do that and the BXP stand down.
Whereas if Boris isn't brought down and Europe looks into the whites of our eyes and think Parliament has blinked we're leaving deal or no deal, I think that is our one chance to get Europe to blink too.
With the security of five years of majority government in the bank he can afford to ignore the threat of the Brexit Party, and unless the Parliamentary Party changes significantly the ERG will not have the votes to get rid of him.
Vote Boris for brexit, vote lib dems to stay - and ladies and gentlemen, there is your choice
Corbyn who ?
Brexiteers have been wrong about that for 3 years.
Meanwhile BoZo has put Ben Swain to shame...
Its not extremely unusual in a business with security if someone is fired to have security escort them out of the building. Downing Street isn't a business and the Police are the security there, but I see no reason the same principle shouldn't apply.
It is not as if she was handcuffed and weapons drawn
The remainers are absolutely delusional about their chances.
You really dont get it , do you?
May negotiated the deal WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE ELSE. It was a Tory deal. Tory red lines.
Your party did say it would accept the referendum result did it not?
Boris will still be LOTO - accurate, as leader of the largest party opposite that is his automatic job title. Do you think facing an election he's been planning for he'll resign rather than face it?
Representing over 300 MPs in the Commons - accurate unless you are expecting 12 or more resignations, even then it would still be nearly 300 an incredible number for a LOTO.
He will need a handful of gains to gain a majority - accurate. Practice on election night is to ignore defections and by-elections and to go off the last election results. So if the Tories eg regain Soubry's seat that is a hold not a gain. 5 gains would provide a working majority.
Holding all seats won in 2017 would be enough - accurate again, for same reason as above, so long as an agreement were reached with DUP again afterwards.
None of that says Boris would win, but the idea he'd just accept a VONC and go quietly into the goodnight rather than face the election as either PM or LOTO is bizarre to say the least. Where do you think he'd go and why?
Isn't it possible that both sides rejected the deal for the same reason, that they thought it was a bad deal that went against their country's interests?
Tories don't have a majority.
Cummings WANTS an election. That has been the plan all along. Jeez....
Seriously ..........
It is totally barmy
It is utterly pathetic.
CANT YOU SEE THAT??!!
The legal default set was if there is no agreement then we leave without a deal. Tory hardliners looked at the deal and said "no, I'd rather leave without a deal".
Labour MPs looked at the deal and said "we don't want no deal but we want to screw over the Tories".
There is nothing in the WDA different to Labour's proposals. Customs union, single market, same rules - every single thing Labour asked for was in the WDA for the duration of the transition - at the same time as Labour are saying that no deal is apocalyptic and must be stopped.
If no deal is so bad then there's a simple solution. Tories who rejected the deal though aren't claiming no deal is bad.
Well her “husband” is the SNP head honcho.
Let's see what he's saying this day next week if Parliament is prorogued having rejected the attempt to extend.
Just how dense are you people?
Thankfully some Tories recognised no deal was better than May's deal and put country before party politics and rejected it. The fact that you're still obsessing about parties rather than what is right and wrong for the country means you seem to think party politics matters more than the country.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1167908421414219776
Do you think Labour will be able to focus this election on issues other than Brexit this time? I doubt it.
Haven’t we learnt from 2016 that a nuanced, perhaps sensible policy is drowned out by simple and misleading statements? ‘Bollocks to Brexit’ vs Boris. How does Labour compete?
Not at all. Boris Johnson can be trapped in office.
Do you not get bored?
And despite all the insults i receive, I VOTED REMAIN!
You need to remove Boris if you want a change.
Plus when Operation Temperer was activated in 2017 the reason was to replace unarmed officers with armed soldiers and Downing Street saw their unarmed officers replaces with soldiers
You want to stop Boris? Step 1: Remove Boris.
Its not rocket science.
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My coat? Thank you, so kind...
This is a much smarter way to make changes.
However, it is still far too dramatic to say that she was escorted out by armed officers.
It depends on the personnel available at the time
Jeez this is so obvious yet none of you seem to see it....It is "heads i win, tails you lose"
Do you think a GE now would change the overall numbers and by default the deadlock
So to take two examples from my current project: an investigation team currently based in the UK does investigations for other EU countries and receives data from those countries to do so. It also sends people to those countries when necessary to carry out those investigations.
Post 31 October it is wholly unclear whether it can continue to operate in that way. The likelihood is not. The entity’s risk has just gone up considerably because it now has to manage those investigations in a different way at short notice - and finding skilled investigators in those EU countries is not an easy task. The likelihood is that some of the jobs currently located in London, Leeds and Scotland will need to be moved overseas. That’s just one tiny bit of one very large organisation facing uncertainty and costs and reorganisation and a likely loss of UK jobs.
It won’t mean visible chaos on day one so Brexiteers will crow about Project Fear having been overstated again. But the effects of that uncertainty will be there and will accumulate over time. It is foolish to suppose otherwise. You may think it worth it.
But let’s not pretend that any sort of uncertainty is ending on 31 October or that this will be the end of Brexit.
35% - Tory
24% - Labour
18% - Lib Dem
14% - Brexit
With Brexit Party standing aside
41% - Tory
26% - Labour
20% - Lib Dem
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7415007/Youre-scared-election-bring-Boris-Johnson-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-tells-Remainer-rabble.html