At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
Bit of a shame it was Spartan Rowley ! Least he is antifracking unlike Engel
Tell me about it, in the last few years I've helped Lee Rowley and Andrea Jenkyns gain their seats!
At least I've never done that for Mark Francois or Andrew Bridgen.
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
My threads will be the same, based on analysis of betting/polls and whatever tickles my fancy.
Here's how my thread writing approach works
1) Have a punt, base a thread on that
2) Have a pun, base a thread on that
3) Do a thread on what's happening in the world
4) Come up with a thread that will annoy some people
Some of my upcoming threads are based upon / discuss, inter alia, Hawaiian pizzas, AV, and making porn films.
How do you manage the balance in case 1? Clearly you can't say something and have no commitment to it, and also you can't back something hugely and then get your readers to put you into a big profit.
Do you set yourself something like a 24hr rule?
No reason at all that you should care of course - you may just do and write whatever suits you. I suspect though that you have some sort of a self-imposed constraint.
I've once or twice made posts in caps with 'betting post'. I wouldn't post unless I'd actually made that bet, and also that the bet was still available. I'd also not post if I had any intention of betting the other way any time soon.
(This might in itself make an interesting header from you or Mike)
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
It’s interesting if you call him ‘Boris’ you are already psychologically biased towards him. His name is Alexander Boris’s De god knows what Johnson unless you call everybody else by their first names the you are adding to the con trick that Johnson is not what he is but some cuddles brilliant buffoon that can save the U.K. from disaster
1: He is trying to. Parliament has only positively voted for two forms of Brexit: Either the deal without the backstop [the Brady Amendment] or to leave without a deal after the end of the period [invoking Article 50]. Parliament has rejected literally every other option. Every single indicative vote was rejected.
So Boris is following a twin track of honouring the two votes that have a mandate in Parliament. Either we leave with a deal, like the Brady Amendment, or we leave automatically without one via the Article 50 process. If there's some mything unicorn mandated alternative why wasn't it proposed during the indicative votes?
2: No need, he needs to try and deliver Brexit with this Parliament before the election.
3: No need, the UK red lines were his originally, every single one of them is a Vote Leave commitment. Without exception.
All nonsense.
Once again you are so vacuous you have nothing to say so you just deny reality rather than face it.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
No, in 2015 it was possible that the Tories would win the popular vote but be locked out by a Rainbow alliance.
I wasn't expecting that in 2017, I was sure Mrs May would win the popular vote by some distance.
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
So you wanted LEAVE to lose the Referendum in 2016?
1: He is trying to. Parliament has only positively voted for two forms of Brexit: Either the deal without the backstop [the Brady Amendment] or to leave without a deal after the end of the period [invoking Article 50]. Parliament has rejected literally every other option. Every single indicative vote was rejected.
So Boris is following a twin track of honouring the two votes that have a mandate in Parliament. Either we leave with a deal, like the Brady Amendment, or we leave automatically without one via the Article 50 process. If there's some mything unicorn mandated alternative why wasn't it proposed during the indicative votes?
2: No need, he needs to try and deliver Brexit with this Parliament before the election.
3: No need, the UK red lines were his originally, every single one of them is a Vote Leave commitment. Without exception.
All nonsense.
Once again you are so vacuous you have nothing to say so you just deny reality rather than face it.
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
Does anyone fancy explaining to HYUFD how it isn't really a 'historic' fourth term when they've only had two years of majority government to date (and only 9 including coalitions)? Or is that a thankless task? Don't answer that.
Only 1 party has stayed in office for 4 consecutive terms since 1832, Major's Tories, majority or no majority
In your completely hypothetical scenario, two of those 'terms' would be two years long and none of them thus far were with a proper working majority. Let's just say I don't think anyone except those trying to creep into certain human crevices will be using the word 'historic'.
The Tories have already been in office 9 years, longer than any post-war Government bar New Labour and Thatcher's Tories and Macmillan's Tories.
You're cheating there. You've counted the present administration as one continuous administration dating from 2010 even though it's had three PMs, but you haven't measured the 51-64 administration (Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Douglas-Hume), the 97-10 administration (Blair, Brown) nor the 79-97administration (Thatcher, Major) in the same way.
Or maybe when you referred to Thatcher's Tories you actually meant Thatcher and Major's Tories.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
Nothing wrong with that if he did it’s not a capital offence
My threads will be the same, based on analysis of betting/polls and whatever tickles my fancy.
Here's how my thread writing approach works
1) Have a punt, base a thread on that
2) Have a pun, base a thread on that
3) Do a thread on what's happening in the world
4) Come up with a thread that will annoy some people
Some of my upcoming threads are based upon / discuss, inter alia, Hawaiian pizzas, AV, and making porn films.
How do you manage the balance in case 1? Clearly you can't say something and have no commitment to it, and also you can't back something hugely and then get your readers to put you into a big profit.
Do you set yourself something like a 24hr rule?
No reason at all that you should care of course - you may just do and write whatever suits you. I suspect though that you have some sort of a self-imposed constraint.
I've once or twice made posts in caps with 'betting post'. I wouldn't post unless I'd actually made that bet, and also that the bet was still available. I'd also not post if I had any intention of betting the other way any time soon.
(This might in itself make an interesting header from you or Mike)
No 24 hour rule, just do a thread on a betting market asap, even if I'm not betting on it, it starts a debate, and sometimes people make a compelling case on why I should bet on it.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
So you wanted LEAVE to lose the Referendum in 2016?
I voted Tory in 2017 to deliver Brexit as most voters voted for
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Alright mr buzzkill - was just having a bit of banter. TSE's a big boy.
Mr buzzkill?
He’s working on being amusing and gets offended when you fail to be amused.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
So you wanted LEAVE to lose the Referendum in 2016?
I voted Tory in 2017 to deliver Brexit as most voters voted for
But you wanted LEAVE to lose the Referendum in 2016!
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
I believe you managed to vote for Cameron's Tories in 2010 and 2015 though nonetheless?
In 2010 I lived in a different constituency.
In 2015 I wanted to ensure the Tories won the national popular vote.
So you wanted Cameron's Tories to win the popular vote but not May's Tories
So you wanted LEAVE to lose the Referendum in 2016?
I voted Tory in 2017 to deliver Brexit as most voters voted for
Most voters voted for a soft Brexit or Remain mate.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
Bit of a shame it was Spartan Rowley ! Least he is antifracking unlike Engel
Tell me about it, in the last few years I've helped Lee Rowley and Andrea Jenkyns gain their seats!
At least I've never done that for Mark Francois or Andrew Bridgen.
1: He is trying to. Parliament has only positively voted for two forms of Brexit: Either the deal without the backstop [the Brady Amendment] or to leave without a deal after the end of the period [invoking Article 50]. Parliament has rejected literally every other option. Every single indicative vote was rejected.
So Boris is following a twin track of honouring the two votes that have a mandate in Parliament. Either we leave with a deal, like the Brady Amendment, or we leave automatically without one via the Article 50 process. If there's some mything unicorn mandated alternative why wasn't it proposed during the indicative votes?
2: No need, he needs to try and deliver Brexit with this Parliament before the election.
3: No need, the UK red lines were his originally, every single one of them is a Vote Leave commitment. Without exception.
All nonsense.
Once again you are so vacuous you have nothing to say so you just deny reality rather than face it.
There is nothing to say to the barefaced lies.
It is 100% accurate. There isn't a single like in that.
1: He is trying to. Parliament has only positively voted for two forms of Brexit: Either the deal without the backstop [the Brady Amendment] or to leave without a deal after the end of the period [invoking Article 50]. Parliament has rejected literally every other option. Every single indicative vote was rejected.
So Boris is following a twin track of honouring the two votes that have a mandate in Parliament. Either we leave with a deal, like the Brady Amendment, or we leave automatically without one via the Article 50 process. If there's some mything unicorn mandated alternative why wasn't it proposed during the indicative votes?
2: No need, he needs to try and deliver Brexit with this Parliament before the election.
3: No need, the UK red lines were his originally, every single one of them is a Vote Leave commitment. Without exception.
All nonsense.
Once again you are so vacuous you have nothing to say so you just deny reality rather than face it.
There is nothing to say to the barefaced lies.
It is 100% accurate. There isn't a single like in that.
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
1: He is trying to. Parliament has only positively voted for two forms of Brexit: Either the deal without the backstop [the Brady Amendment] or to leave without a deal after the end of the period [invoking Article 50]. Parliament has rejected literally every other option. Every single indicative vote was rejected.
So Boris is following a twin track of honouring the two votes that have a mandate in Parliament. Either we leave with a deal, like the Brady Amendment, or we leave automatically without one via the Article 50 process. If there's some mything unicorn mandated alternative why wasn't it proposed during the indicative votes?
2: No need, he needs to try and deliver Brexit with this Parliament before the election.
3: No need, the UK red lines were his originally, every single one of them is a Vote Leave commitment. Without exception.
All nonsense.
Once again you are so vacuous you have nothing to say so you just deny reality rather than face it.
There is nothing to say to the barefaced lies.
It is 100% accurate. There isn't a single like in that.
Another lie. You cant help it can you.
Another vacuous statement.
If there was even one lie there you'd be able to name one, you can't, you're just a troll.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
Bit of a shame it was Spartan Rowley ! Least he is antifracking unlike Engel
Tell me about it, in the last few years I've helped Lee Rowley and Andrea Jenkyns gain their seats!
At least I've never done that for Mark Francois or Andrew Bridgen.
Andrea Jenkins? Do you have any doubts now?
For helping elect Andrea Jenkyns I'm fully expecting to go Hell where they only serve Hawaiian pizzas.
I've only just revisited this site after a long time away (and finally taken the leap from lurking) - is HYUFD just trolling us now, or has he actually developed a medical issue of some sort?
He did predict Boris as PM and that Boris would prorogue yesterday when many of us disagreed
But he can be very tedious and you have to be prepared to skim his posts as they are very odd at times
However, he is a diehard leaver though he voted as a diehard remainer, so we do have a contrdiction there
But he is very mucb part of the PB family, bless him
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Alright mr buzzkill - was just having a bit of banter. TSE's a big boy.
Mr buzzkill?
He’s working on being amusing and gets offended when you fail to be amused.
I must have missed that I’m actually a boring 65 year old man living in Spain who due to unfortunate events has nothing better to do than pass my time on here. I am getting to the point that candy crush might be a better use of my time. The sad thing that my social circle keeps reducing because I don’t fall into line with the ‘popular view’ that ‘boris’ Will solve it won’t it be wonderful
Does anyone fancy explaining to HYUFD how it isn't really a 'historic' fourth term when they've only had two years of majority government to date (and only 9 including coalitions)? Or is that a thankless task? Don't answer that.
Only 1 party has stayed in office for 4 consecutive terms since 1832, Major's Tories, majority or no majority
In your completely hypothetical scenario, two of those 'terms' would be two years long and none of them thus far were with a proper working majority. Let's just say I don't think anyone except those trying to creep into certain human crevices will be using the word 'historic'.
How about the Whigs/Liberals in the 1840s 1850s and 1860s?
I'm continually baffled as to how Corbyn's approval ratings fail to undermine the Labour vote more extensively. It's not as though the rest of the Labour front-bench are doing a stellar job to counter-balance (slightly the opposite in fact).
Swinson needs to find something. I wonder if the LDs would be better served just by having a policy of abstain and then rejoin.
The LDs are just 1% behind Labour in the latest Yougov while Labour are 11% behind the Tories
Ireland appears to be a role model for the Singaporean economy that Johnson's regime aspires to.
GDP/head in ROI increased from €13,934 in 1995 to €40,655 last year. For the UK the increase was from €21,716 in 1995 to €30,594 last year.
Irish exports to the UK are 11% of total exports and falling, 39% to the rest of the EU and 50% and growing to the rest of the world. Britain exports more to the ROI than it does to China!
Value of all goods and services exports per employed person in Ireland was €126,630 per year. For the UK it was €17,627.
Ireland is expert at exporting and in attracting capital and talent. The UK is poor at exporting, sells its capital assets and repels talent.
The new Gaeillic Republic of the island of Ireland and Scotland will leave England and Wales in the dust! London and the University towns, which ARE dynamic and attract capital and talent, are chained to the corpse of complacent, insular, entitled Brexit Britain. Leaving the EU is not a solution to the fundamental problem. It makes it worse.
A scepticism always needs to be applied when Irish GDP figures are discussed. Even the EU in their reports on member countries economic performance always puts in a caveat about the figures being distorted by such activities as contract out manufacturing, etc.
I will not deny they have done well in getting investment that have build drug factories, etc. But they have also attracted a significant amount of financial engineering, that boosts exports or GDP.
At least we all knew where we stood with tory boy TSE. What's TSE 2.0 playing at?
What the fuck are you talking about?
TSE's quit the tory party. It will be interesting to see how this affects his Threads.
His threads will reflect his views on betting prospects and I would guess also reflect the views he has always held. Unlike some I don’t think that when it comes to politics he blindly follows the team in the blue shirt. But it’s not my job to defend him
Of course they don't, TSE voted LD at the last general election
Don’t be a **** he swapped his vote to help reduce the impact of our ridiculous voting system to try and make his vote count. You know that and hundreds of others know so don’t bullshitnto impress the new trolls
My vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour, something HYUFD cannot process.
Bit of a shame it was Spartan Rowley ! Least he is antifracking unlike Engel
Tell me about it, in the last few years I've helped Lee Rowley and Andrea Jenkyns gain their seats!
At least I've never done that for Mark Francois or Andrew Bridgen.
Andrea Jenkins? Do you have any doubts now?
For helping elect Andrea Jenkyns I'm fully expecting to go Hell where they only serve Hawaiian pizzas.
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
I like that idea.
Completely off topic, of course...
Successful punting is definitely based on process rather than outcomes.
That is where the Remainers have failed. They squeal and scream that the public doesn't want a No Deal Brexit, which may be true in isolation, but they don't want anything else either. Just like the Commons. And No Deal is the legal default.
The one thing the country doesn't need and doesn't want is perpetual purgatory so the question to answer before 31 October is what realistic alternative do you want. If Parliament can find a majority for that then extending to get it could be reasonable. If it can't and just wants to kick the can again to avoid making a decision like in March then Boris is right to say no.
But his actions are making an extension inevitable.......you think that is because he is being firm, the reality is he is being utterly cynical and misleading as always. He has no interest in delivering no deal.
I don't believe it and I don't see what alternative course of action would have made it less inevitable.
It would have been inevitable under May for instance.
Well he could:
- deliver a Brexit that has a mandate in parliament - or call an election to get a mandate for his version of Brexit - or change UK red lines, that were not his originally, to negotiate a different deal with the EU
Picking a Brexit that has the support of only about 200 MPs then goading the rest into a VONC and extension is not strength or commitment to a cause but a dereliction of responsibility of office. Sadly he may get rewarded for it at a subsequent GE where he pretends others stopped him.
Plenty of leavers on here will fall for it, and they are far better informed than the leave voting public.
1: He is trying to. Parliament has only positively voted for two forms of Brexit: Either the deal without the backstop [the Brady Amendment] or to leave without a deal after the end of the period [invoking Article 50]. Parliament has rejected literally every other option. Every single indicative vote was rejected.
So Boris is following a twin track of honouring the two votes that have a mandate in Parliament. Either we leave with a deal, like the Brady Amendment, or we leave automatically without one via the Article 50 process. If there's some mything unicorn mandated alternative why wasn't it proposed during the indicative votes?
2: No need, he needs to try and deliver Brexit with this Parliament before the election.
3: No need, the UK red lines were his originally, every single one of them is a Vote Leave commitment. Without exception.
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
Kinda like what Aristotle said about pleasure in the Nicomachean Ethics, that it's all about processes and not about outcomes. Can't remember what example he used but crosswords work very well: they are great fun to do, if you like that sort of thing, but there's nothing more boring or useless than a completely solved crossword puzzle.
Does anyone fancy explaining to HYUFD how it isn't really a 'historic' fourth term when they've only had two years of majority government to date (and only 9 including coalitions)? Or is that a thankless task? Don't answer that.
Only 1 party has stayed in office for 4 consecutive terms since 1832, Major's Tories, majority or no majority
In your completely hypothetical scenario, two of those 'terms' would be two years long and none of them thus far were with a proper working majority. Let's just say I don't think anyone except those trying to creep into certain human crevices will be using the word 'historic'.
How about the Whigs/Liberals in the 1840s 1850s and 1860s?
I'm not particularly knowledgeable about nineteenth century electoral history, so do enlighten me. In the context we are discussing I don't think anything from before universal suffrage is comparing like with like anyway.
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
I like that idea.
Completely off topic, of course...
Successful punting is definitely based on process rather than outcomes.
I've only just revisited this site after a long time away (and finally taken the leap from lurking) - is HYUFD just trolling us now, or has he actually developed a medical issue of some sort?
He did predict Boris as PM and that Boris would prorogue yesterday when many of us disagreed
But he can be very tedious and you have to be prepared to skim his posts as they are very odd at times
However, he is a diehard leaver though he voted as a diehard remainer, so we do have a contrdiction there
But he is very mucb part of the PB family, bless him
Thanks for the cogent summary, Big G. I'll treat him as a curious part of the rich tapestry of the place, I think.
Union is being broken by Brexit and Britain's best battler in Scotland has raised white flag
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
Ireland appears to be a role model for the Singaporean economy that Johnson's regime aspires to.
GDP/head in ROI increased from €13,934 in 1995 to €40,655 last year. For the UK the increase was from €21,716 in 1995 to €30,594 last year.
Irish exports to the UK are 11% of total exports and falling, 39% to the rest of the EU and 50% and growing to the rest of the world. Britain exports more to the ROI than it does to China!
Value of all goods and services exports per employed person in Ireland was €126,630 per year. For the UK it was €17,627.
Ireland is expert at exporting and in attracting capital and talent. The UK is poor at exporting, sells its capital assets and repels talent.
The new Gaeillic Republic of the island of Ireland and Scotland will leave England and Wales in the dust! London and the University towns, which ARE dynamic and attract capital and talent, are chained to the corpse of complacent, insular, entitled Brexit Britain. Leaving the EU is not a solution to the fundamental problem. It makes it worse.
A scepticism always needs to be applied when Irish GDP figures are discussed. Even the EU in their reports on member countries economic performance always puts in a caveat about the figures being distorted by such activities as contract out manufacturing, etc.
I will not deny they have done well in getting investment that have build drug factories, etc. But they have also attracted a significant amount of financial engineering, that boosts exports or GDP.
The drug manufacturing is located in Ireland almost entirely because of the tax incentives
(Also have to add myself to the list of posters intrigued by RCS1000's side topic of the evening, which definitely has no bearing on current events at all)
Boris has a higher net satisfaction rating than Corbyn, Swinson and Farage so is likely to win an autumn general election and the polling shows less than 50% still outright opposed to No Deal (and of course Boris still wants a Deal with a technical solution for the Irish border replacing the backstop anyway).
If Boris matches Major's 1992 win in the autumn it will be a historic Tory triumph, only the 2nd time in the last 100 years a party has got a 4th consecutive term in office. Given no PM since Lord Liverpool has won a 5th consecutive term for his party (and that was pre Reform Act) Deal or No Deal I cannot see the Tories stretching the elastic further than one more general election win and Corbyn is certainly a help on that front (with Corbyn having a 26% lower net approval rating than Jo Swinson it looks likely the LDs will get closer to Labour than Labour does to the Tories while Corbyn remains Leader of the Opposition)
A historic triumph, lets look back at what they have achieved. F***ed business and the constitution to meet an arbitrary date set by the French and made a marxist government a possibility in the UK. I'm sure history will look back fondly at their triumph.
If the Tories win a historic 4th term and a majority they will not only have delivered Brexit but crushed a potential Marxist Government so wrong
Union is being broken by Brexit and Britain's best battler in Scotland has raised white flag
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
He pre announced it along with police funding and nhs funding
He took the opportunity today to detail it but it is not new
And anyway not everything Boris does is wrong. Indeed his domestic agenda is very good. It is just he was foolish to prorogue parliament and will be even more foolish to take us out with no deal, which I absolutely reject and hope the mps are successful next week in curtailing
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
Union is being broken by Brexit and Britain's best battler in Scotland has raised white flag
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
Does anyone fancy explaining to HYUFD how it isn't really a 'historic' fourth term when they've only had two years of majority government to date (and only 9 including coalitions)? Or is that a thankless task? Don't answer that.
Only 1 party has stayed in office for 4 consecutive terms since 1832, Major's Tories, majority or no majority
In your completely hypothetical scenario, two of those 'terms' would be two years long and none of them thus far were with a proper working majority. Let's just say I don't think anyone except those trying to creep into certain human crevices will be using the word 'historic'.
How about the Whigs/Liberals in the 1840s 1850s and 1860s?
The Tories were in office for a brief period in 1852, 1858-59 and 1866 to 1868
Does anyone fancy explaining to HYUFD how it isn't really a 'historic' fourth term when they've only had two years of majority government to date (and only 9 including coalitions)? Or is that a thankless task? Don't answer that.
Only 1 party has stayed in office for 4 consecutive terms since 1832, Major's Tories, majority or no majority
In your completely hypothetical scenario, two of those 'terms' would be two years long and none of them thus far were with a proper working majority. Let's just say I don't think anyone except those trying to creep into certain human crevices will be using the word 'historic'.
How about the Whigs/Liberals in the 1840s 1850s and 1860s?
I'm not particularly knowledgeable about nineteenth century electoral history, so do enlighten me. In the context we are discussing I don't think anything from before universal suffrage is comparing like with like anyway.
The Tories had about 9 months in government from 1846-1866 but
I've only just revisited this site after a long time away (and finally taken the leap from lurking) - is HYUFD just trolling us now, or has he actually developed a medical issue of some sort?
He did predict Boris as PM and that Boris would prorogue yesterday when many of us disagreed
But he can be very tedious and you have to be prepared to skim his posts as they are very odd at times
However, he is a diehard leaver though he voted as a diehard remainer, so we do have a contrdiction there
But he is very mucb part of the PB family, bless him
Union is being broken by Brexit and Britain's best battler in Scotland has raised white flag
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
We can but hope. I don't relish the forthcoming demise of the UK because I would rather we could make it work properly, but I don't think that the attitudes of any of the political parties involved - let alone the very large numbers of hostile voters in Scotland and Northern Ireland - makes this possible. And that's before one factors in the tremendous European problem.
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
He wants to be no confidence He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t) He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
He wants to be no confidence He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t) He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
But this is not a game! We live here and have to face the consequences.
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
I agree about inputs and processes versus outputs and outcomes. For a sales operation, for example, focus on the number of leads generated, as you will always convert a proportion of these. But you will never make your sales targets if you don't talk to enough people in the first place.
However I disagree with your conclusion that continental countries focus more on outcomes than the UK, which focuses more on process. I think the opposite, at least for the EU, which is VERY process driven. We see it also in the EU27 prioritising the integrity of the Single Market over the sale of more German cars and Italian prosecco to the UK. Same with the Irish prioritising the Backstop over a Deal. Many British see these prioritisations as a wilful disregard of those countries' own interests.
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
We were assured yesterday that Mrs T was an advocate, nay an examplar, of "Creative Destruction", which is not how I remember it.
I have a suspicion that the poster stating it was in short trousers during the period in question. Or perhaps his cradle....
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
He wants to be no confidence He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t) He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
He wants to be no confidence He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t) He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
Indeed. I would laugh if MPs just take control away from him and install a new PM! He would be in an invidious position then from his own party!
And anyway not everything Boris does is wrong. Indeed his domestic agenda is very good. It is just he was foolish to prorogue parliament and will be even more foolish to take us out with no deal, which I absolutely reject and hope the mps are successful next week in curtailing
I've only just revisited this site after a long time away (and finally taken the leap from lurking) - is HYUFD just trolling us now, or has he actually developed a medical issue of some sort?
He did predict Boris as PM and that Boris would prorogue yesterday when many of us disagreed
But he can be very tedious and you have to be prepared to skim his posts as they are very odd at times
However, he is a diehard leaver though he voted as a diehard remainer, so we do have a contrdiction there
But he is very mucb part of the PB family, bless him
Thanks for the cogent summary, Big G. I'll treat him as a curious part of the rich tapestry of the place, I think.
Some parts of the tapestry could do with a good detergent and conditioner
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
Taxman said
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
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I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and challenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
Taxman said
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
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. I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and chaljenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us"
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I concur, we are stuck and will remain stuck for at least one more GE, perhaps two.
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
He wants to be no confidence He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t) He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
But this is not a game! We live here and have to face the consequences.
I know and I don’t know the answer I’m about to cut myself off from my remaining contacts because they really don’t accept anything but boris brexit as the only true answer. I’ve spent my life fighting tories and had some success but at this point it really isn’t worth the effort. It’s actually quite difficult existing in the over 65 cross tab when you are so far out of line
Union is being broken by Brexit and Britain's best battler in Scotland has raised white flag
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
If the Brexit fiasco has a silver lining it's that Scotland seems to be developing a consensus that things must be done differently here. Whether that leads to independence, I don't know. But a consensus is surely a good thing, that was missing in 2014.
We don't know he didn't agree with it...My mind is more taken with wondering about the circumstances of his "major speech on the economy" being binned at the last minute earlier this week.
I agree with TSE. Boris Johnson will be the last Tory leader ever to win a UK election.
No. Not with Corbyn and his version of Labour. Johnson will win the election as the biggest party.
If others can hold their noses and form a coalition with Corbyn long enough to extend A50 then they can split again and leave Boris as a minority PM totally stymied by lack of numbers.
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
Taxman said
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
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I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and challenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us
Indeed, this talk about legislating against No Deal plays into his hands in that scenario.
I think the best thing for MPs opposed to No Deal is to remove Boris Johnson from office and install someone else. I would be interested to see if the media would give his successor a fair wind as Johnson is enjoying at the moment. Lets remember Johnson has No Mandate for No Deal and removal from office eliminates the risk...
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
He wants to be no confidence He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t) He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
Indeed. I would laugh if MPs just take control away from him and install a new PM! He would be in an invidious position then from his own party!
The central problem with this is that the only viable alternative PM is Jeremy Corbyn, and everyone knows it.
Far too many MPs so detest the idea of Corbyn in No.10 that they won't countenance backing him, even to remove Johnson and avert No Deal. On the other hand, far too many Labour MPs are either too tribally Labour, too frightened for their jobs or too committed to Corbyn's project to back an alternative, fantasy candidate (e.g. Ken Clarke,) even if they might also wish to bring down Johnson and avert No Deal.
Unless everyone on the Stop No Deal bandwagon, including some sitting Tories, swallows their doubts about Corbyn and puts him into bat then Boris Johnson remains in No.10. That's why the Remainers appear to be trying to find a legislative route out of the mire. Whether or not this will do them any good remains to be seen: what exactly happens if they legislate to force the Government to apply for an extension and either it refuses to comply (do they have the entire Government arrested?) or it does but the EU tells us to take a running jump anyway (because it still won't get us any closer to an actual solution to Brexit, and I imagine they'll want rid of us by the time they start setting their next budget?) This has yet to be explained.
He announced it two days ago but then Adonis is another one of those driven stir crazy by brexit
Taxman said
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
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I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and challenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us
Indeed, this talk about legislating against No Deal plays into his hands in that scenario.
I think the best thing for MPs opposed to No Deal is to remove Boris Johnson from office and install someone else. I would be interested to see if the media would give his successor a fair wind as Johnson is enjoying at the moment. Lets remember Johnson has No Mandate for No Deal and removal from office eliminates the risk...
A GE is the best way to do that. Alternatively the HOC needs to agree on a cadidate to act as interim PM but that means Corbyn being bypassed
I agree with TSE. Boris Johnson will be the last Tory leader ever to win a UK election.
No he won't, though May might have been the last Tory leader ever to win most seats at a general election had the Brexit Party overtaken the Tories as the main party of the right in the UK
Union is being broken by Brexit and Britain's best battler in Scotland has raised white flag
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
If the Brexit fiasco has a silver lining it's that Scotland seems to be developing a consensus that things must be done differently here. Whether that leads to independence, I don't know. But a consensus is surely a good thing, that was missing in 2014.
So let me make sure I have this correctly.
Brexit would be a disaster for the UK
Scottish independence on the other hand would be a land of milk and honey and the divorce proceedings a walk in the park?
I agree with TSE. Boris Johnson will be the last Tory leader ever to win a UK election.
No. Not with Corbyn and his version of Labour. Johnson will win the election as the biggest party.
If others can hold their noses and form a coalition with Corbyn long enough to extend A50 then they can split again and leave Boris as a minority PM totally stymied by lack of numbers.
It would be a fitting punishment.
Could be Boris wins a majority of about 30 as most polls now suggest and that is enough to finally pass the Withdrawal Agreement after some tweaks to the backstop clause with the EU and a commitment to a technical replacement instead.
If the EU extend beyond October 31st in the absence of a Commons majority for No Deal as Brown suggests today EU leaders have told him they will do, Boris fighting an autumn general election on a Brexit Deal or No Deal ticket to try and ensure an October 31st Brexit would likely need a majority of 100+ to ensure a Commons majority for No Deal given about 50 Tory No Deal rebels
Boris has a higher net satisfaction rating than Corbyn, Swinson and Farage so is likely to win an autumn general election and the polling shows less than 50% still outright opposed to No Deal (and of course Boris still wants a Deal with a technical solution for the Irish border replacing the backstop anyway).
If Boris matches Major's 1992 win in the autumn it will be a historic Tory triumph, only the 2nd time in the last 100 years a party has got a 4th consecutive term in office. Given no PM since Lord Liverpool has won a 5th consecutive term for his party (and that was pre Reform Act) Deal or No Deal I cannot see the Tories stretching the elastic further than one more general election win and Corbyn is certainly a help on that front (with Corbyn having a 26% lower net approval rating than Jo Swinson it looks likely the LDs will get closer to Labour than Labour does to the Tories while Corbyn remains Leader of the Opposition)
Boris is an absolute fucking idiot, in all fairness.
More people voted for boaty mc boatface than Johnson he has no mandate to even flush the toilet how can anybody claim what he is doing is the will of the people?
I agree with TSE. Boris Johnson will be the last Tory leader ever to win a UK election.
No. Not with Corbyn and his version of Labour. Johnson will win the election as the biggest party.
If others can hold their noses and form a coalition with Corbyn long enough to extend A50 then they can split again and leave Boris as a minority PM totally stymied by lack of numbers.
It would be a fitting punishment.
Could be Boris wins a majority of about 30 and that is enough to finally pass the Withdrawal Agreement after some tweaks to the backstop with the EU and a commitment to a technical replacement.
If the EU extend beyond October 31st in the absence of a Commons majority for No Deal as Brown suggests today EU leaders have told him they will do, Boris fighting an autumn general election on a Brexit Deal or No Deal ticket would likely need a majority of 100+ to ensure a Commons majority for No Deal given about 50 Tory No Deal rebels
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At least I've never done that for Mark Francois or Andrew Bridgen.
Do you set yourself something like a 24hr rule?
No reason at all that you should care of course - you may just do and write whatever suits you. I suspect though that you have some sort of a self-imposed constraint.
I've once or twice made posts in caps with 'betting post'. I wouldn't post unless I'd actually made that bet, and also that the bet was still available. I'd also not post if I had any intention of betting the other way any time soon.
(This might in itself make an interesting header from you or Mike)
Yes, Minister was a fly on the wall documentary that is still relevant today ...
Or is it just that stupid people talk more, and talk more loudly, than they used to?
I wasn't expecting that in 2017, I was sure Mrs May would win the popular vote by some distance.
Or maybe when you referred to Thatcher's Tories you actually meant Thatcher and Major's Tories.
Andrea Jenkins? Do you have any doubts now?
https://twitter.com/econhedge/status/1167497160495128576
I was going to do a video, back in the days when I wasn't starting a car insurance business..., on "better a good system than a great person".
In it I was going to explore how all the evidence is that, if you want to succeed, you focus on processes, not outcomes. This is true of people, of businesses, and I suspect, of countries.
Let me give you an example. Diets don't work. Why? Because they are goal based. You're focusing on the outcome (lose 5kg!), not on the process. Once the goal has been achieved, you quickly slip back into old ways. If you want to keep the weight off, focus on putting in place a process or routine that you will stick to. Stop measuring your weight, and instead make sure that you have an exercise or eating routine. Stick to the routine, and the weight will take care of itself.
The same is true of businesses. Focusing on outcomes is a recipe for disaster. Success comes through putting in place processes, such as rapid feedback loops which tell you whether you're on track or not. Company plans don't work. Company processes do.
The same is true for countries. Continental countries have often had politics that focused on outcomes. And this has resulted in one revolution after another. The UK, until recently, has focused on process. Because process means iterative change, and meant mistakes could be learned from.
Simply, change is usually wrong. And small changes allow for adjustment.
The Thatcher government was regarded as revolutionary. But really, it was a series of small iterative changes. How much privatisation was there in the first four years? How much change of the tax and benefits system? The revolution was a slow moving one, even in areas such as labour reform and the unions.
If there was even one lie there you'd be able to name one, you can't, you're just a troll.
But he can be very tedious and you have to be prepared to skim his posts as they are very odd at times
However, he is a diehard leaver though he voted as a diehard remainer, so we do have a contrdiction there
But he is very mucb part of the PB family, bless him
Completely off topic, of course...
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/unhyjkudnd/InternalResults_190829_VI_w.pdf
I will not deny they have done well in getting investment that have build drug factories, etc. But they have also attracted a significant amount of financial engineering, that boosts exports or GDP.
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1167511202454495233
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1167485694035595265
Even Ruth Davidson has had enough of Boris Johnson's extremist nonsense and Record View believes the case for independence is being bolstered by the actions of the Tory buffoon.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/union-being-broken-brexit-britains-19025905.amp
He took the opportunity today to detail it but it is not new
And anyway not everything Boris does is wrong. Indeed his domestic agenda is very good. It is just he was foolish to prorogue parliament and will be even more foolish to take us out with no deal, which I absolutely reject and hope the mps are successful next week in curtailing
He wants to be stopped from no dealing (who wouldn’t)
He’s playing the opposition and they need to sit back and let him reap what he sows don’t give him his people v parliament election let him eat digest and regurgitate no deal
However I disagree with your conclusion that continental countries focus more on outcomes than the UK, which focuses more on process. I think the opposite, at least for the EU, which is VERY process driven. We see it also in the EU27 prioritising the integrity of the Single Market over the sale of more German cars and Italian prosecco to the UK. Same with the Irish prioritising the Backstop over a Deal. Many British see these prioritisations as a wilful disregard of those countries' own interests.
I have a suspicion that the poster stating it was in short trousers during the period in question. Or perhaps his cradle....
Taxman said
It is pretty obvious to me that Boris Johnson is in an "election lockdown" given his daily media appearances. The Brexit supporting media are in full propaganda mode - I don't buy into it but that is what is going on. Maybe the proroguing of Parliament is about a snap GE as much as anything else. I have seen all this before with other PM's but the strategic positioning and media output is unmistakable.
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I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and challenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us
- Boris, 2004.
. I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and chaljenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us"
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I concur, we are stuck and will remain stuck for at least one more GE, perhaps two.
If others can hold their noses and form a coalition with Corbyn long enough to extend A50 then they can split again and leave Boris as a minority PM totally stymied by lack of numbers.
It would be a fitting punishment.
I agree. I think Boris(Cummings) have war gamed this as a battle between the people v parliament, the elite and judiciary and if any baulk his chosen path he will just announce a GE and challenge Corbyn to the battle. I see no circumstances where Corbyn would not agree
Following that I expect a near SNP whitewash and many London and south based conservatives to lose seats but for the conservatives to make considerable gains off labour in England and Wales but not enough for a majority
The HOC are likely to see a big increase in lib dems, and together with the SNP, and the remains of labour the conservatives could end up in the same position, and dare I say it deadlock again
Not a pretty picture, if I am correct, for any of us
Indeed, this talk about legislating against No Deal plays into his hands in that scenario.
I think the best thing for MPs opposed to No Deal is to remove Boris Johnson from office and install someone else. I would be interested to see if the media would give his successor a fair wind as Johnson is enjoying at the moment.
Far too many MPs so detest the idea of Corbyn in No.10 that they won't countenance backing him, even to remove Johnson and avert No Deal. On the other hand, far too many Labour MPs are either too tribally Labour, too frightened for their jobs or too committed to Corbyn's project to back an alternative, fantasy candidate (e.g. Ken Clarke,) even if they might also wish to bring down Johnson and avert No Deal.
Unless everyone on the Stop No Deal bandwagon, including some sitting Tories, swallows their doubts about Corbyn and puts him into bat then Boris Johnson remains in No.10. That's why the Remainers appear to be trying to find a legislative route out of the mire. Whether or not this will do them any good remains to be seen: what exactly happens if they legislate to force the Government to apply for an extension and either it refuses to comply (do they have the entire Government arrested?) or it does but the EU tells us to take a running jump anyway (because it still won't get us any closer to an actual solution to Brexit, and I imagine they'll want rid of us by the time they start setting their next budget?) This has yet to be explained.
I think the best thing for MPs opposed to No Deal is to remove Boris Johnson from office and install someone else. I would be interested to see if the media would give his successor a fair wind as Johnson is enjoying at the moment.
A GE is the best way to do that. Alternatively the HOC needs to agree on a cadidate to act as interim PM but that means Corbyn being bypassed
Brexit would be a disaster for the UK
Scottish independence on the other hand would be a land of milk and honey and the divorce proceedings a walk in the park?
If the EU extend beyond October 31st in the absence of a Commons majority for No Deal as Brown suggests today EU leaders have told him they will do, Boris fighting an autumn general election on a Brexit Deal or No Deal ticket to try and ensure an October 31st Brexit would likely need a majority of 100+ to ensure a Commons majority for No Deal given about 50 Tory No Deal rebels