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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited July 2019
    Sandpit said:

    Trust Corbyn to be a complete sourpuss, unable to be collegiate and magnanimous as his opponent leaves office.

    Unsurprising. He sees the world in black and white...All Tories evil...Hamas friends....All of Israel racist...IRA force for good.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Scott_P said:
    And how brave are all those Labour MPs endlessly moaning about him? They couldn’t take the skin off a rice pudding.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Sandpit said:

    Trust Corbyn to be a complete sourpuss, unable to be collegiate and magnanimous as his opponent leaves office.

    Funny, somebody just said of PMQs: "no quarter is sought and none is given, and that's as should be"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited July 2019
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    And how brave are all those Labour MPs endlessly moaning about him? They couldn’t take the skin off a rice pudding.
    Its ok they will fire off some tweets, that will sort it.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    kinabalu said:

    Surgical Corbyn at PMQs. He can be impressive, no question.

    You are kidding right?

    He’s the worst opposition leader at PMQs since IDS. Not that May is any more impressive really.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133

    The next Speaker after Bercow might do well to return PMQs to questions and answers rather than speeches from party leaders.

    And keep it to 30 mins !!!!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    TM ends her PMQ v Corbyn with the ultimate put down
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    kinabalu said:

    Surgical Corbyn at PMQs. He can be impressive, no question.

    Totally misjudged the occasion
    Whereas I imagine her signing off by telling him to resign was perfectly classy?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    The next Speaker after Bercow might do well to return PMQs to questions and answers rather than speeches from party leaders.

    And keep it to 30 mins
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited July 2019
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1153987479722254338

    Or....another interpretation...all within MoE....
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,084
    Cyclefree said:

    Cicero said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I think that pretty much sums up Mr Cummings. Bright and brilliant. But doesn't realise that political parties aren't businesses run by dictators, but are fragile coalitions of interests and egos.
    The description of him as a Tory Leninist is not entirely off the mark.

    He's certainly an institution wrecker by temperament.
    I believe Steve Bannon has described himself as a Leninist in the past..
    Lenin could do ideas and implementation at a stellar level. That's what makes him the greatest political figure of the 20th C.
    IMHO, Stalin's political skills were of a higher order.
    I think you have to be morally bankrupt to comment without mentioning that both of these criminals were amongst the blackest human beings and most evil leaders in history.

    As far as the political leaders of the 20th century, I could make a plausible case for FDR, Mahatma Gandhi or John Paul II

    Moral vacuums like Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Hitler do not deserve the word "great", unless it means terrible.
    They were not moral vacuums. They deliberately chose evil. Let’s call them for what they were. Evil men.

    And those who support them, even now, are also evil for doing so. They too are making a moral choice between good and evil.
    Amen, sister.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    You are kidding right?

    He’s the worst opposition leader at PMQs since IDS. Not that May is any more impressive really.

    No, not kidding.

    IMO he can be a good HoC performer. By no means always, but quite often.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    kinabalu said:

    Surgical Corbyn at PMQs. He can be impressive, no question.

    Totally misjudged the occasion
    Whereas I imagine her signing off by telling him to resign was perfectly classy?
    He set the tone
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    England looking... a trifle rusty ?

    43/7 !!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    A good day to bury an awful cricketing performance.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    TOPPING said:

    Barnesian said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    malcolmg said:

    Roger said:

    interesting conversation between katy Adler and Laura Kuinsberg about the future of Brexit on radio 5. Adler seems to be very wary about Johnson and his chances of success. Kuinsberg is like an excited school girl where everything might be brilliant.

    Adler is showing herself to have a much deeper understanding of what's required and the people involved on both sides. Kuinsberg is just giddy.Talking about how enthusiasm might carry us through and quoting Johnson press releases

    Kuinsberg is crap
    I hadn't thought so but I do now. So short on insight. All morning Tories have been chanting Boris handouts .....very disappointing that Kuinsberg unlike Adler is just doing the same
    Yeah. Plus Kuensberg...Kuensberg...something about that name, eh Rog?
    Kuensberg is a light weight. I remember her giddy with excitement on the night in 2015 when the Tories won their majority. That's when l began to distrust her impartiality. She also is shallow in her analysis. Andrew Neil barely tolerates her - and he's a Tory.
    I think she's great. She is as good a political commentator as any other and better than a lot. No idea why she provokes such a dislike. As I said for some perhaps it's the name, which has something of the night about it. Or perhaps that she is a woman. Who knows?
    She does talk gibberish sometimes and reveals a degree of ignorance not to be expected of someone in her position. The day follwing the 2017 election she informed viewers that 'Theresa May has gone to the Palace to ask permission to form a Minority Government with DUP support'. Utter codswallop!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited July 2019
    Scott_P said:
    Very good poll for the LD's, and also to a certain extent the Greens.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour on 19%? Wow.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    edited July 2019

    kinabalu said:

    Surgical Corbyn at PMQs. He can be impressive, no question.

    Totally misjudged the occasion
    Whereas I imagine her signing off by telling him to resign was perfectly classy?
    He set the tone
    You think she had some entirely different final speech planned but adlibbed that one instead because she was so eager to follow the tone set by Corbyn? Seems unlikely
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Scott_P said:
    Very good poll for the LD's, and also to a certain extent the Greens.
    That Boris “bounce” looks a bit flat.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Nigelb said:

    England looking... a trifle rusty ?

    43/7 !!

    Can we get past the 46 we managed at Trinidad in 1994?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    Totally misjudged the occasion

    A tribute to her public service plus an attack on her record - from Him.

    A tribute to his constituency diligence plus a call for him to stand down - from Her.

    A reasonable balance from both.

    As anyone objective - like yours truly! - could see.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Is Johnson in the chamber?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    AndyJS said:

    Ireland were 60 to 1 at the start of play with Betfair.

    England would kill for that score.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited July 2019
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    Very good poll for the LD's, and also to a certain extent the Greens.
    That Boris “bounce” looks a bit flat.
    Indeed. I think the public have factored in his win for a month or more, now.

    So far he seems to have galvanised LD support ahead of anything else, if that poll's anything to to go by.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    Unsurprising. He sees the world in black and white...All Tories evil...Hamas friends....All of Israel racist...IRA force for good.

    C'mon.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    Nigelb said:

    England looking... a trifle rusty ?

    43/7 !!

    Bear in mind that the reason for reducing the size of the Cricket World Cup (and yes, I know it's a different flavour of cricket, but well...) is because the likes of Ireland competing in it would be too embarrassing a mismatch.

    I find myself agreeing for the first time.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Where is HYUFD when you want his opinion...
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298

    kinabalu said:

    Surgical Corbyn at PMQs. He can be impressive, no question.

    Totally misjudged the occasion
    Whereas I imagine her signing off by telling him to resign was perfectly classy?
    The idea that she knew when was the right time to go is also a little amusing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    eek said:

    Where is HYUFD when you want his opinion...
    Swinson gets a bounce. Johnson doesn't. :lol:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Didn't Dave tell Corbyn to resign in his final PMQs? Can't blame Jezza for ignoring May's advice.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    England looking... a trifle rusty ?

    43/7 !!

    Can we get past the 46 we managed at Trinidad in 1994?
    Can we get past the 60 we rolled the Aussies for in 2015.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    England looking... a trifle rusty ?

    43/7 !!

    Can we get past the 46 we managed at Trinidad in 1994?
    Can we get past the 60 we rolled the Aussies for in 2015.
    Prepare for the England innings in one Tweet.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    For those who think LibDems could never take a lead in polls.

    I say, look at Germany and the Greens.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    For those who think LibDems could never take a lead in polls.

    I say, look at Germany and the Greens.

    Didn't the LDs have a couple of leads in May?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Scott_P said:
    Don't laugh, but Corbyn could still be PM on those numbers !!
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875

    kinabalu said:

    Surgical Corbyn at PMQs. He can be impressive, no question.

    Totally misjudged the occasion
    Whereas I imagine her signing off by telling him to resign was perfectly classy?
    He set the tone
    You think she had some entirely different final speech planned but adlibbed that one instead because she was so eager to follow the tone set by Corbyn? Seems unlikely
    Considering how utterly predictable he is, it was a fair prediction that he would be graceless and should therefore expect the same in return!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    kinabalu said:

    Totally misjudged the occasion

    A tribute to her public service plus an attack on her record - from Him.

    A tribute to his constituency diligence plus a call for him to stand down - from Her.

    A reasonable balance from both.

    As anyone objective - like yours truly! - could see.
    Theresa May has once again shown poor strategic judgement. Corbyn is Leave's greatest asset, and a guarantor that Con will achieve a plurality in the next election. Given this, she should not be urging him to resign.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    What the blooming heck is going on with the Cricket? I blame Boris for this
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Baxter:

    Con 258
    Lab 188
    LD 96
    BRX 46
    Green 1
    SNP 40
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    https://twitter.com/sammacrory/status/1153989410721021952?s=20

    Not sure this was an optimal look for Corbyn today. Not a surprise, really.. but I wish someone would tell him that not everyone want him to be an angry old man 24/7.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133

    https://twitter.com/sammacrory/status/1153989410721021952?s=20

    Not sure this was an optimal look for Corbyn today. Not a surprise, really.. but I wish someone would tell him that not everyone want him to be an angry old man 24/7.

    By the time it is clipped into a 30s vid for IG, he will look perfect.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    AndyJS said:

    For those who think LibDems could never take a lead in polls.

    I say, look at Germany and the Greens.

    Didn't the LDs have a couple of leads in May?
    You are right. My mistake. Although only one according to the wiki page on uk polling. Other was a tie.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617

    eek said:

    Where is HYUFD when you want his opinion...
    Swinson gets a bounce. Johnson doesn't. :lol:
    He isn't PM yet!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    kle4 said:

    What the blooming heck is going on with the Cricket? I blame Boris for this

    Looks like England will be fielding in 38 degrees tomorrow, when they probably would have preferred to be batting most of the day.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    As May continues her final question time Priti Patel is the latest rumour for Home Secretary
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    Don't laugh, but Corbyn could still be PM on those numbers !!
    With uniform swing, Tory + BXP = 323.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    HYUFD said:

    As May continues her final question time Priti Patel is the latest rumour for Home Secretary

    Ok. That's it. I am leaving the country.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    As May continues her final question time Priti Patel is the latest rumour for Home Secretary

    That was stated in the early hours so not latest rumour
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    AndyJS said:

    Baxter:

    Con 258
    Lab 188
    LD 96
    BRX 46
    Green 1
    SNP 40
    Axis of Evil: 315
    Coalition of the Willing: 328

    Corbyn minority government.

    And Flavible is even worse, as it assumes BXP seat wins are limited, and that Lib Dems do better.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Totally misjudged the occasion

    A tribute to her public service plus an attack on her record - from Him.

    A tribute to his constituency diligence plus a call for him to stand down - from Her.

    A reasonable balance from both.

    As anyone objective - like yours truly! - could see.
    Theresa May has once again shown poor strategic judgement. Corbyn is Leave's greatest asset, and a guarantor that Con will achieve a plurality in the next election. Given this, she should not be urging him to resign.
    Huh? The Corbyn cult hates May - her urging him to resign welds him more firmly in place, not less!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    HYUFD said:

    As May continues her final question time Priti Patel is the latest rumour for Home Secretary

    Ok. That's it. I am leaving the country.
    If you're allowed to.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited July 2019
    AndyJS said:

    Baxter:

    Con 258
    Lab 188
    LD 96
    BRX 46
    Green 1
    SNP 40
    Disastrous poll for Labour, would be the worst Labour election result since 1935 in terms of seats and since 1910 in terms of voteshare.

    Good poll for the LDs as they overtake Labour for second on votes. Tories still ahead as largest party but Boris still needs to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by delivering Brexit
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    edited July 2019
    Well the LD Leadership election seems to have gone well.

    Personally I'd have gone for Davey but maybe theyre right and I'm wrong. Guess they'd be happy with a 3 point uplift.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I predicted upthread no “Swinson bounce” but perhaps I was wrong.

    Although, this seems less pro Swinson and more anti Johnson.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    HYUFD said:

    As May continues her final question time Priti Patel is the latest rumour for Home Secretary

    Ok. That's it. I am leaving the country.
    An interviewer asked her recently whether she still believes in hanging, but she refused to answer the question.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    kle4 said:

    What the blooming heck is going on with the Cricket? I blame Boris for this

    Well he did say he'd get us out as quickly as possible. Boris delivers!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    I would be happy with a pact with Farage.

    Cons to stand aside in Bootle and the Brexit Party to stand aside in every Tory seat and selected marginals.

    the brown shirts have almost taken over totally
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited July 2019

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    Don't laugh, but Corbyn could still be PM on those numbers !!
    With uniform swing, Tory + BXP = 323.
    Those %s would be close, Labour Edit: Seemingly has an amazing resilience at low vote %s though.

    Of course I might be applying the lessons of the last wars here.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847

    Scott_P said:
    Very good poll for the LD's, and also to a certain extent the Greens.
    Get that LD/Green electoral pact in place and they look a strong force.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    As May continues her final question time Priti Patel is the latest rumour for Home Secretary

    Ok. That's it. I am leaving the country.
    An interviewer asked her recently whether she still believes in hanging, but she refused to answer the question.
    Depends whether it was a sheep or a lamb.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    For those who think LibDems could never take a lead in polls.

    I say, look at Germany and the Greens.

    Or Macron and En Marche in France or Canada where Trudeau's Liberals are also largest party
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Well the LD Leadership election seems to have gone well.

    Personally I'd have gone for Davey but maybe theyre right and I'm wrong. Guess they'd be happy with a 3 point uplift.

    I may be wrong but I believe we are witnessing the move of a large number of remain voters to the Lib Dem who have finally made the decision that labour's prevarification over brexit and anti semitism is just unacceptable

    As for Boris I hope he succeeds but I am not expecting a sudden rush to the conservatives indicating a majority government as asserted by HYUFD
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    TOPPING said:

    Barnesian said:

    TOPPING said:

    Barnesian said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    malcolmg said:

    Roger said:

    interesting conversation between katy Adler and Laura Kuinsberg about the future of Brexit on radio 5. Adler seems to be very wary about Johnson and his chances of success. Kuinsberg is like an excited school girl where everything might be brilliant.

    Adler is showing herself to have a much deeper understanding of what's required and the people involved on both sides. Kuinsberg is just giddy.Talking about how enthusiasm might carry us through and quoting Johnson press releases

    Kuinsberg is crap
    I hadn't thought so but I do now. So short on insight. All morning Tories have been chanting Boris handouts .....very disappointing that Kuinsberg unlike Adler is just doing the same
    Yeah. Plus Kuensberg...Kuensberg...something about that name, eh Rog?
    Kuensberg is a light weight. I remember her giddy with excitement on the night in 2015 when the Tories won their majority. That's when l began to distrust her impartiality. She also is shallow in her analysis. Andrew Neil barely tolerates her - and he's a Tory.
    I think she's great. She is as good a political commentator as any other and better than a lot. No idea why she provokes such a dislike. As I said for some perhaps it's the name, which has something of the night about it. Or perhaps that she is a woman. Who knows?
    I explained why l don't rate her. It's nothing to do with her name(!) or that's she's a woman. She's a lightweight in her analysis. I suspect she's aware of this but can't do anything about it. Adler shows her up. And she's a woman with a funny name.
    I honestly can't tell the difference between her, Adler, Norman Smith, etc. Pienaar I rate very highly. Are you really saying that one europe/political correspondent is significantly worse than all the others? Well of course it's up to you and we are all political geeks on here but I find it strange.
    Agreed, none really stand out from casual analysis.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    TOPPING said:

    Barnesian said:

    TOPPING said:

    Roger said:

    malcolmg said:

    Roger said:

    interesting conversation between katy Adler and Laura Kuinsberg about the future of Brexit on radio 5. Adler seems to be very wary about Johnson and his chances of success. Kuinsberg is like an excited school girl where everything might be brilliant.

    Adler is showing herself to have a much deeper understanding of what's required and the people involved on both sides. Kuinsberg is just giddy.Talking about how enthusiasm might carry us through and quoting Johnson press releases

    Kuinsberg is crap
    I hadn't thought so but I do now. So short on insight. All morning Tories have been chanting Boris handouts .....very disappointing that Kuinsberg unlike Adler is just doing the same
    Yeah. Plus Kuensberg...Kuensberg...something about that name, eh Rog?
    Kuensberg is a light weight. I remember her giddy with excitement on the night in 2015 when the Tories won their majority. That's when l began to distrust her impartiality. She also is shallow in her analysis. Andrew Neil barely tolerates her - and he's a Tory.
    I think she's great. She is as good a political commentator as any other and better than a lot. No idea why she provokes such a dislike. As I said for some perhaps it's the name, which has something of the night about it. Or perhaps that she is a woman. Who knows?
    Afaik Laura Kuenssberg isn't Jewish while Kaytya Adler (upon whom praise is being heaped) is, so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.
    Looks like topping has a crush and his paranoia is ramping up
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    Scott_P said:
    The first episode of Yes Minister has the blueprint. As the new team arrive in the ministry, the SPAD Frank Weisal is shown to his new office....
    Frank Weisal did not have an Oxford 1st like Cummings
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 437

    AndyJS said:

    Baxter:

    Con 258
    Lab 188
    LD 96
    BRX 46
    Green 1
    SNP 40
    Axis of Evil: 315
    Coalition of the Willing: 328

    Corbyn minority government.

    And Flavible is even worse, as it assumes BXP seat wins are limited, and that Lib Dems do better.
    Why would the LibDems and SNP support such a disastrously performing Labour party UNLESS it junked Corbyn?

    Whether the "only if you get yourselves a leader we can trust" debate happens before or after the election: there's not the remotest possibility Sturgeon and Swinson would provide any comfort to Corbyn.

    And the more anti-Swinson bile Corbyn's minions pour out now, the likelier she's going to be to stick to her position
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    Scott_P said:
    Very good poll for the LD's, and also to a certain extent the Greens.
    Get that LD/Green electoral pact in place and they look a strong force.
    Indeed. Crazy not to do it. But I gather green members are against. Someone posted figures of 4 to 1 against the other day.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Paradoxically (?) Swinson’s main focus of attack should be on Corbyn.

    I’m a mild sceptic, but imagine if she were Leader of the Opposition instead of Corbyn who’s overwhelming ineptness has given free rein to nutters to take over the country.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited July 2019

    https://twitter.com/sammacrory/status/1153989410721021952?s=20

    Not sure this was an optimal look for Corbyn today. Not a surprise, really.. but I wish someone would tell him that not everyone want him to be an angry old man 24/7.

    The further from that utterly cringeworthy performance by Cameron, the better.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    notme2 said:

    notme2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    @HYUFD. Good morning.

    If Boris is serious about uniting the country he won’t be taking a leaf out of the book of Trump, Bibi and Salvini. I appreciate they are popular but they are not uniting figures are they?

    Boris will need to do some things differently and he will need to reach out to your so called “die hard remainers” if he is going to be a true uniting figure.

    Impossible, diehard Remainers refused to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement and oppose No Deal and want to stop Brexit, they are the enemy if Boris wishes to deliver Brexit and win the next general election
    So, Remainers are “the enemy”? You do realise that you are talking about one third of your party’s supporters? Or have you already jumped ship to Farage’s company?
    Voting to remain does not make you a ‘remainer’, thinking that the deal is poor doesn’t make you a ‘remainer’. Wanting to undo the referendum result and being unwilling to accept any kind of agreement that involves us leaving the EU makes you a ‘remainer’.
    Voting Remain doesn’t make you a remainer?

    Next you’ll be telling us that taking communion doesn’t make you a Christian, knifing someone doesn’t make you a murderer and drinking a bottle of Scotch a day doesn’t make you an alcoholic. And that voting Leave doesn’t make you a leaver.

    A ‘remainer’ is not someone who voted remain. It is someone who refuses to accept the referendum and any kind of agreement to actually leave.
    The point is that HY has been quite happy to throw the "remainer" tag around at people like Hunt, who are now committed to Brexit.
    I have never called Hunt a diehard Remainer
    Hunt doesn't support leaving Deal or No Deal in October, in fact he thinks it's not possible.
    Hunt voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, so by definition is not a diehard Remainer
    He voted for Theresa May’s Versailles Treaty. Obviously a Remain fifth columnist.

    https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1110987187343028225?s=21
    You can not be a diehard Remainer without having to back the Brexit Party too
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    The only way to unite the Tory and Brexit Party vote is in opposition. Perhaps the best long term strategy if that’s the coalition you want to create is to call an election and lose it.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    Irish over rate is terrible. They should be fined 50 runs immediately...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    tlg86 said:

    I don't get the hate for Laura K. I'm not sure she's especially enlightened but she does the job fairly well (remember, her audience is the general public, not us obsessives).

    On the other hand, I find it remarkable that Beth Rigby has made it to the equivalent position at Sky News.

    I doubt anybody hates her, she is just crap journalist and does nothing but read press releases. SKY journalists are just as bad and you can add Peston as a complete fanny.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    Paradoxically (?) Swinson’s main focus of attack should be on Corbyn.

    I’m a mild sceptic, but imagine if she were Leader of the Opposition instead of Corbyn who’s overwhelming ineptness has given free rein to nutters to take over the country.

    Stop it. Stop it now. You are giving me a glimmer of hope.

    I can't cope with having hope...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited July 2019

    The only way to unite the Tory and Brexit Party vote is in opposition. Perhaps the best long term strategy if that’s the coalition you want to create is to call an election and lose it.

    The only way to largely unite it is for the Tories to deliver Brexit in Government or commit to deliver it and go into opposition if diehard Remainer MPs refuse to agree
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    The first episode of Yes Minister has the blueprint. As the new team arrive in the ministry, the SPAD Frank Weisal is shown to his new office....
    Frank Weisal did not have an Oxford 1st like Cummings
    He was also a fictional character in a television programme depicting a satirical view of the civil service as it existed forty years ago. I'm not sure any valid comparisons can be drawn.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    Nigelb said:
    Reviving the “when the President does it, that means it’s not illegal” shtick?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Flanner said:

    AndyJS said:

    Baxter:

    Con 258
    Lab 188
    LD 96
    BRX 46
    Green 1
    SNP 40
    Axis of Evil: 315
    Coalition of the Willing: 328

    Corbyn minority government.

    And Flavible is even worse, as it assumes BXP seat wins are limited, and that Lib Dems do better.
    Why would the LibDems and SNP support such a disastrously performing Labour party UNLESS it junked Corbyn?

    Whether the "only if you get yourselves a leader we can trust" debate happens before or after the election: there's not the remotest possibility Sturgeon and Swinson would provide any comfort to Corbyn.

    And the more anti-Swinson bile Corbyn's minions pour out now, the likelier she's going to be to stick to her position
    Two policies.

    1. A referendum on Brexit
    2. A referendum on (proper) PR
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Cicero said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I think that pretty much sums up Mr Cummings. Bright and brilliant. But doesn't realise that political parties aren't businesses run by dictators, but are fragile coalitions of interests and egos.
    The description of him as a Tory Leninist is not entirely off the mark.

    He's certainly an institution wrecker by temperament.
    I believe Steve Bannon has described himself as a Leninist in the past..
    Lenin could do ideas and implementation at a stellar level. That's what makes him the greatest political figure of the 20th C.
    IMHO, Stalin's political skills were of a higher order.
    I think you have to be morally bankrupt to comment without mentioning that both of these criminals were amongst the blackest human beings and most evil leaders in history.

    As far as the political leaders of the 20th century, I could make a plausible case for FDR, Mahatma Gandhi or John Paul II

    Moral vacuums like Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Hitler do not deserve the word "great", unless it means terrible.
    Great absolutely can mean terrible. Great in terms of impact is often terrible in fact.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    CatMan said:

    Irish over rate is terrible. They should be fined 50 runs immediately...

    Tbf, all that walking to and from the crease slows things down.
    8 down now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    HYUFD said:

    The only way to unite the Tory and Brexit Party vote is in opposition. Perhaps the best long term strategy if that’s the coalition you want to create is to call an election and lose it.

    The only way to largely unite it is for the Tories to deliver Brexit in Government or commit to deliver it and go into opposition if diehard Remainer MPs refuse to agree
    You won’t get a thank you note from Brexit supporters for delivering Brexit.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Broad goes. 58/8.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    And how brave are all those Labour MPs endlessly moaning about him? They couldn’t take the skin off a rice pudding.
    Quite. I've very little time for Corbyn but I actually think he has more positives than these whingers.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    I predicted upthread no “Swinson bounce” but perhaps I was wrong.

    Although, this seems less pro Swinson and more anti Johnson.

    How do you work that out?
    No drop in Tory support under Boris (no increase either) and a 3% increase for LibDems under Swinson.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Claim to fame, a Cybernat on Twitter has just added me to the group 'UKIP Brextwats and fools'
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    AndyJS said:

    Broad goes. 58/8.

    India v Afghanistan was a 2 day test.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    AndyJS said:

    Broad goes. 58/8.

    Against Ireland? At cricket? That can't be right.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    Flanner said:

    AndyJS said:

    Baxter:

    Con 258
    Lab 188
    LD 96
    BRX 46
    Green 1
    SNP 40
    Axis of Evil: 315
    Coalition of the Willing: 328

    Corbyn minority government.

    And Flavible is even worse, as it assumes BXP seat wins are limited, and that Lib Dems do better.
    Why would the LibDems and SNP support such a disastrously performing Labour party UNLESS it junked Corbyn?

    Whether the "only if you get yourselves a leader we can trust" debate happens before or after the election: there's not the remotest possibility Sturgeon and Swinson would provide any comfort to Corbyn.

    And the more anti-Swinson bile Corbyn's minions pour out now, the likelier she's going to be to stick to her position
    Two policies.

    1. A referendum on Brexit
    2. A referendum on (proper) PR
    3. A Green policy.
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