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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    GIN1138 said:


    Maybe he'd been celebrating the government kicking "age recognition" into the long grass... With a glass of red and a sneaky late night visit to Porn Hub! :D


    You can bet MPs would have an exemption to the wanking licence. For national security reasons, of course.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,802

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:
    You can bet your life the papers will be looking into the neighbor as we speak...
    You can bet your life they are a left liberal Remainer
    Any particular reason to believe that? They live in London so it's not unlikely. But they seem to have got this story by virtue simply of living next door.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Trump has been accused of rape, again, in New York magazine today.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Where is anyone saying he is a wife beater ? Evidence?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,802

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
    Because we are one country? and the Pembrokshire climate is better suited.

    As someone born in Wigan, that bastion of the aristocracy, I understand why people seek a better life elsewhere!

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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Trump has been accused of rape, again, in New York magazine today.
    Fake news . Next !!!

    That’s what Trumps so called base will be saying . It’s bad enough that he’s President but his brand of politics is spreading like a virus to other countries around the world .
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,138
    Maybe Boris found out she was secretly a Remainer and had been putting something in his tea to dampen his ardour ... for Brexit!

    In which case anything he may have done was perfectly justified etc etc.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    kjohnw said:

    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Where is anyone saying he is a wife beater ? Evidence?
    I think the clue was in my just kidding line ! I’m not saying he is but just that he could almost do anything and the Tory Membership would still vote for him .


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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    nico67 said:

    Fake news . Next !!!

    That’s what Trumps so called base will be saying . It’s bad enough that he’s President but his brand of politics is spreading like a virus to other countries around the world .

    Yes supporting The Team is more important than anything else; no ethics, no laws, no facts should ever be allowed to get in the way.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    edited June 2019
    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
    Because we are one country? and the Pembrokshire climate is better suited.

    As someone born in Wigan, that bastion of the aristocracy, I understand why people seek a better life elsewhere!

    We are not one country.

    What is the evidence that the climate in Pembrokeshire is better suited to the breeding of rabbits than Wigan? Rabbits are famous for breeding, whether in Wigan or Whitesands.

    These off-grid development do not have to be registered for Council Tax (thanks to Wales' One World legislation), so I am not quite sure why the Welsh have to be grateful when affluent English people fleeing Wigan (for some reason) turn up in a Welsh National Park, build a shanty town, and dump rubbish all over the countryside, while living off-grid with their rabbits.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    nico67 said:

    kjohnw said:

    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Where is anyone saying he is a wife beater ? Evidence?
    I think the clue was in my just kidding line ! I’m not saying he is but just that he could almost do anything and the Tory Membership would still vote for him .


    Tbh I just read the first line and typed out of impulse , but it’s late and a couple of glasses of wine ....
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    On a hot summer's evening, they probably had the windows open.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
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    kjohnw said:

    nico67 said:

    kjohnw said:

    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Where is anyone saying he is a wife beater ? Evidence?
    I think the clue was in my just kidding line ! I’m not saying he is but just that he could almost do anything and the Tory Membership would still vote for him .


    Tbh I just read the first line and typed out of impulse , but it’s late and a couple of glasses of wine ....
    No worries I hope it’s a quality bottle ! My issues with Johnson are he’s held to a different standard.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,987
    nico67 said:

    T

    kjohnw said:

    nico67 said:

    kjohnw said:

    nico67 said:

    Tory Membership.

    He maybe a wife beater but he’s our wife beater and he’s a true believer in Brexit !

    Next !

    Okay just kidding before the Bozo fans get upset but the UK is now mirroring the USA.

    Trump got away with a lot because allegedly it was priced in , Bozo will do the same .

    Let’s be blunt which other UK politician could have got away with the huge catalogue of gaffs and awful comments as Bozo has .

    Where is anyone saying he is a wife beater ? Evidence?
    I think the clue was in my just kidding line ! I’m not saying he is but just that he could almost do anything and the Tory Membership would still vote for him .


    Tbh I just read the first line and typed out of impulse , but it’s late and a couple of glasses of wine ....
    No worries I hope it’s a quality bottle ! My issues with Johnson are he’s held to a different standard.

    If she got the sofa from DFS the insurance should cover a red wine spillage.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
    Because we are one country? and the Pembrokshire climate is better suited.

    As someone born in Wigan, that bastion of the aristocracy, I understand why people seek a better life elsewhere!

    We are not one country.

    What is the evidence that the climate in Pembrokeshire is better suited to the breeding of rabbits than Wigan? Rabbits are famous for breeding, whether in Wigan or Whitesands.

    These off-grid development do not have to be registered for Council Tax (thanks to Wales' One World legislation), so I am not quite sure why the Welsh have to be grateful when affluent English people fleeing Wigan (for some reason) turn up in a Welsh National Park, build a shanty town, and dump rubbish all over the countryside, while living off-grid with their rabbits.
    That's between you and your Assembly. Your complaint seems to be that they have a policy expressly designed to lure English ecofruitcakes into the principality, and that the policy works as intended.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Backed Boris at 1.24.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    An interesting question is why does this sort of thing always happen to Boris? Maybe it is just who he is but you have to take the rough with the smooth! The point is Boris is one of those bizarre people who is interesting to watch just like Trump. I don't think this does anything but reinforce the opinion that he is a liability and cannot be taken seriously. This does not stop him becoming PM but looking at the Daily Mails other story on his complex domestic life over several decades does him no favours. Maybe the media is trying to make this a competitive contest instead of a walkover!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
    Wales assembly referendum 1997:

    Yes 50.3%
    No 49.7%

    :innocent:
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290

    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    On a hot summer's evening, they probably had the windows open.
    in this bloody summer, you are more likely to have had central heating on and windows shut.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
    Because we are one country? and the Pembrokshire climate is better suited.

    As someone born in Wigan, that bastion of the aristocracy, I understand why people seek a better life elsewhere!

    We are not one country.

    What is the evidence that the climate in Pembrokeshire is better suited to the breeding of rabbits than Wigan? Rabbits are famous for breeding, whether in Wigan or Whitesands.

    These off-grid development do not have to be registered for Council Tax (thanks to Wales' One World legislation), so I am not quite sure why the Welsh have to be grateful when affluent English people fleeing Wigan (for some reason) turn up in a Welsh National Park, build a shanty town, and dump rubbish all over the countryside, while living off-grid with their rabbits.
    That's between you and your Assembly. Your complaint seems to be that they have a policy expressly designed to lure English ecofruitcakes into the principality, and that the policy works as intended.
    That is exactly my complaint. Thank you for articulating it so lucidly.

    The Welsh Government (run by Labour fuckwits) should be supporting the rural Welsh poor. Instead they are importing English ecofruitcakes into rural Wales.

    I will never, ever forgive Labour for how they have run Wales.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    An interesting question is why does this sort of thing always happen to Boris? Maybe it is just who he is but you have to take the rough with the smooth! The point is Boris is one of those bizarre people who is interesting to watch just like Trump. I don't think this does anything but reinforce the opinion that he is a liability and cannot be taken seriously. This does not stop him becoming PM but looking at the Daily Mails other story on his complex domestic life over several decades does him no favours. Maybe the media is trying to make this a competitive contest instead of a walkover!
    It happens to him as he's a real person who many people don't like.

    Who amongst us has never had a loud argument it might be embarrassing if the creepy neighbours recorded it?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,555
    Seems a good time to top up on Boris as next Tory leader but Lidington or Ken Clarke for next PM to me.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    I’m in a very strange position .

    As much as I’d like to see Johnson implode and not become the next PM I also want a Leaver to own Brexit and if there’s a no deal to have to pick up the pieces .

    The problem with Hunt is regardless of his born again Leaver guff he voted Remain , and we’ll never hear the end of the whining from the Leave side .

    In that respect a run off against Gove would have been much better .
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Hunt down to 5.9
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2019
    Why anyone other than Boris or Hunt are being matched right now is the biggest mystery in the Universe.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,555
    Alistair said:

    Why anyone other than Boris or Hunt are being matched right now is the biggest mystery in the Universe.

    Great opportunity to lay Michael Gove (who has already been eliminated) at 60/1!
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,519
    Storm in a wine glass.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,927
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris by a landslide still.

    Whining about bojo is pointless. He's untrustworthy. Not Adolf Hitler reborn,.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131

    Seems a good time to top up on Boris as next Tory leader but Lidington or Ken Clarke for next PM to me.

    How are Lidington or Clarke going to become next PM? Neither have a hope of winning a general election, there would be mass Tory defections to the Brexit Party.

    The only way they become PM is with Labour, LD and SNP and CUK and Green and Plaid and Tory diehard Remainer support which is very unlikely
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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:


    Yes, it is notable that PB Tories consider a woman shouting in an evening dress shouting slogans sufficient threat to require a neck grip perfectly reasonable self defence, yet when Layla slaps a partner she feels threatened by is domestic abuse.

    It is amazing how someone living off-grid in Wales and making a living from knitting rabbit wool has ample money to travel to London & don an evening gown & tango with the gruesome Mark Field.

    Could she be ... oh, I don't know ... privately wealthy. Perhaps rabbit wool knitting is not her main source of income?

    For sure, there’s no way she & her husband can live on what they make from rabbit wool in their tiny few acres in Pembrokeshire.

    So, they’ve got family money ... they're English good-lifers fleeing Wigan.
    You seem to have a particularly large chip on your shoulder about her. Perhaps she is simply living a back to nature existance while running a niche business.

    Considering the demographic and economic problems of Wales, I would have thought she should be welcomed.
    I don't see why Wales should have to put up with these people. It is colonialism.

    Why should she not live off-grid with her rabbits in Wigan?
    Because we are one country? and the Pembrokshire climate is better suited.

    As someone born in Wigan, that bastion of the aristocracy, I understand why people seek a better life elsewhere!

    To the best of my knowledge this lady lives near Builth Wales which is not Pembrokeshire.
    Sorry that Welsh people are not welcome in London. By Mr Field anyway.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited June 2019
    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Boris by a landslide still.

    Whining about bojo is pointless. He's untrustworthy. Not Adolf Hitler reborn,.
    The Guardian-reading classes seem to think he's Adolf Hitler reborn, or at least Oswald Mosley. You are right that that is manifestly absurd and therefore has no traction amongst either the selectorate for this contest or future GE performance.

    However, the untrustworthiness is relevant. The Conservative Party seems to have forgotten this, or pretends to, despite knowing it perfectly well a few months ago. Maybe a reminder might have some effect.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Seems a good time to top up on Boris as next Tory leader but Lidington or Ken Clarke for next PM to me.

    I doubt Boris will be getting laid after tonight's revelation! As for the betting that is an entirely different question..
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    Evening.

    Thanks to those who offered holiday advice on Uganda in the last thread. It looks like we're going to book it, first time to sub-Saharan Africa - should be good!

    The Boris story..... yawn!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,555
    HYUFD said:

    Seems a good time to top up on Boris as next Tory leader but Lidington or Ken Clarke for next PM to me.

    How are Lidington or Clarke going to become next PM? Neither have a hope of winning a general election, there would be mass Tory defections to the Brexit Party.

    The only way they become PM is with Labour, LD and SNP and CUK and Green and Plaid and Tory diehard Remainer support which is very unlikely
    You need to consider a scenario where Boris limps across the finish line, can't command confidence of all his own MPs, yet alone a majority of the House, but someone must to sort Brexit and that isn't Corbyn either.

    In.such a scenario all sorts of experienced candidates with cross party appeal open up. And it's rather more likely than you think.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited June 2019

    Evening.

    Thanks to those who offered holiday advice on Uganda in the last thread. It looks like we're going to book it, first time to sub-Saharan Africa - should be good!

    Key advice: make sure all members of the party have their own binoculars, and that they are reasonably decent ones with good light-gathering.
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    Evening.

    Thanks to those who offered holiday advice on Uganda in the last thread. It looks like we're going to book it, first time to sub-Saharan Africa - should be good!

    Key advice: make sure all members of the party have their own binoculars, and that they are reasonably decent ones with good light-gathering.
    We're more into city sights, especially slums/poorer areas.

    Good idea for the wildlife part though!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060

    Given what Carrie has been through in the past, I hope the press are gentle with her.

    This cannot be fun for her.

    Are you talking about sex with Boris?
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    valleyboy said:


    To the best of my knowledge this lady lives near Builth Wales which is not Pembrokeshire.
    Sorry that Welsh people are not welcome in London. By Mr Field anyway.

    I though I read she lived near Trefdraeth

    But, the Daily Mail is on your side and says she lives near Llangammarch Wells.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Seems a good time to top up on Boris as next Tory leader but Lidington or Ken Clarke for next PM to me.

    How are Lidington or Clarke going to become next PM? Neither have a hope of winning a general election, there would be mass Tory defections to the Brexit Party.

    The only way they become PM is with Labour, LD and SNP and CUK and Green and Plaid and Tory diehard Remainer support which is very unlikely
    You need to consider a scenario where Boris limps across the finish line, can't command confidence of all his own MPs, yet alone a majority of the House, but someone must to sort Brexit and that isn't Corbyn either.

    In.such a scenario all sorts of experienced candidates with cross party appeal open up. And it's rather more likely than you think.
    Maybe but if you want a Farage wet dream it would be Boris wins the Tory leadership, the Commons votes down his government but refuses to make Corbyn PM either or vote for a general election and instead makes Lidington or Starmer or Clarke or Cable or another arch Remainer a caretaker PM to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    Blimey. Hunt has come in a lot since I logged on this morning.

    Can't think why...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    We all expected a Boris implosion at some point during the six week campaign.

    But possibly not within two days of getting to final two...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    I am laying Boris. Only small sums, but...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    Rubbish, all because of a minor row over spilling wine on a sofa, utterly pathetic desperation from the liberal left
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    Guardian lawyers nervous. No other paper is.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    rcs1000 said:

    Given what Carrie has been through in the past, I hope the press are gentle with her.

    This cannot be fun for her.

    Are you talking about sex with Boris?
    Google first, think better of making jokes later.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.

    In any case today's story is utter rubbish, based on the members I have seen on social media if anything it reinforces support for Boris, it shows the dirty tricks the left will stoop to and we need someone ready to go to war with them and the diehard Remainers trying to reverse Brexit.

    Boris will, Farage will, Hunt I am not so sure, he looks like May 2
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131

    Guardian lawyers nervous. No other paper is.

    The Guardian produced the story, so they better have their facts straight.

    All the other papers are legally safe as they are just rehashing the Guardian story, if legal action were taken by Camp Boris it would be against Guardian Media Group
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    There’s only one thing for it... PM Farage
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    Most of what remains of the Tories would jump at the chance, most of their members would probably prefer Farage to be leading them.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,361
    On another subject, I suspect Corbyn is feeling quietly vindicated by all this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/21/iran-latest-trump-drone-attack-timeline-airstrikes-called-off

    Having a PM who doesn't instantly leap into endorsing confrontation when anything happens seems a good idea to me in today's world.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,138
    Evidently journalists have spoken to a number of different neighbours who were concerned now. Obviously not a question of just one neighbour trying to make trouble.

    Johnson supporters must be hoping it really was just a temporary tiff, and that he won't be moving out tomorrow!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    edited June 2019

    On another subject, I suspect Corbyn is feeling quietly vindicated by all this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/21/iran-latest-trump-drone-attack-timeline-airstrikes-called-off

    Having a PM who doesn't instantly leap into endorsing confrontation when anything happens seems a good idea to me in today's world.

    Yes, because the only options are someone who instantly leaps into endorsing confrontation and one who essentially refuses all practical instances of confrontation. It's not like someone might take a more nuanced view and take things on their merits, not driven by ideological position in these things.

    A rather optimistic view of things.

    A good night to all.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995

    Storm in a wine glass.

    If it were in a wine glass it wouldn't have been an issue. However,...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    On today's YouGov according to Electoral Calculus the Brexit Party get 265 MPs, the Tories get 60 and add the DUP with 10 and you get to 335 combined, with only 326 needed for an overall majority.

    Once the Brexit Party come first in the polls, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them.

    A Farage led government would make a Boris one look like New Labour!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    Chris said:

    Evidently journalists have spoken to a number of different neighbours who were concerned now. Obviously not a question of just one neighbour trying to make trouble.

    Johnson supporters must be hoping it really was just a temporary tiff, and that he won't be moving out tomorrow!

    And so it goes.

    Glad I have laid Hunt a bit tonight as he comes in.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    kle4 said:

    Also conflates "Boris" with "the Tory Party".
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316
    How many Tory MPs are thinking tonight - "whoops, we took a risk and..."
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    On today's YouGov according to Electoral Calculus the Brexit Party get 265 MPs, the Tories get 60 and add the DUP with 10 and you get to 335 combined, with only 326 needed for an overall majority.

    Once the Brexit Party come first, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them
    In general FPTP will help the party that comes first, but in a four-way split the willingness to vote tactically, if executed remotely accurately, could overwhelm that effect.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995

    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    An interesting question is why does this sort of thing always happen to Boris? Maybe it is just who he is but you have to take the rough with the smooth! The point is Boris is one of those bizarre people who is interesting to watch just like Trump. I don't think this does anything but reinforce the opinion that he is a liability and cannot be taken seriously. This does not stop him becoming PM but looking at the Daily Mails other story on his complex domestic life over several decades does him no favours. Maybe the media is trying to make this a competitive contest instead of a walkover!
    It happens to him as he's a real person who many people don't like.

    Who amongst us has never had a loud argument it might be embarrassing if the creepy neighbours recorded it?
    Am inclined to agree with you. And I rarely do. I have VERY creepy neighbours.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991

    How many Tory MPs are thinking tonight - "whoops, we took a risk and..."

    None.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    dixiedean said:

    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    An interesting question is why does this sort of thing always happen to Boris? Maybe it is just who he is but you have to take the rough with the smooth! The point is Boris is one of those bizarre people who is interesting to watch just like Trump. I don't think this does anything but reinforce the opinion that he is a liability and cannot be taken seriously. This does not stop him becoming PM but looking at the Daily Mails other story on his complex domestic life over several decades does him no favours. Maybe the media is trying to make this a competitive contest instead of a walkover!
    It happens to him as he's a real person who many people don't like.

    Who amongst us has never had a loud argument it might be embarrassing if the creepy neighbours recorded it?
    Am inclined to agree with you. And I rarely do. I have VERY creepy neighbours.
    I dont as far as I know. Which probably means I am the creepy neighbour.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    Once the Brexit Party come first in the polls, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them.
    Have the Brexit Party got candidates in place in all constituencies? Thoroughly vetted? The organisation on the ground to GOTV? There's a long way from 'a YouGov poll' to 'forming a government' - and you assume the Tories that survive the massacre would be amenable to propping up a Farage government. Or the DUP with Farage's Britain England First! message.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,995
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    kjohnw said:

    This Boris story is a non story . There is not many couples who don’t row , and raised voices cause he spilled wine on the sofa is hardly a scandal . The Guardian is overplaying a minor incident which the police had no issues with , this is just an attempt to discredit Boris. More to the point what the hell are the neighbours doing recording through the walls , that’s very weird

    An interesting question is why does this sort of thing always happen to Boris? Maybe it is just who he is but you have to take the rough with the smooth! The point is Boris is one of those bizarre people who is interesting to watch just like Trump. I don't think this does anything but reinforce the opinion that he is a liability and cannot be taken seriously. This does not stop him becoming PM but looking at the Daily Mails other story on his complex domestic life over several decades does him no favours. Maybe the media is trying to make this a competitive contest instead of a walkover!
    It happens to him as he's a real person who many people don't like.

    Who amongst us has never had a loud argument it might be embarrassing if the creepy neighbours recorded it?
    Am inclined to agree with you. And I rarely do. I have VERY creepy neighbours.
    I dont as far as I know. Which probably means I am the creepy neighbour.
    Ha ha. However, you are far, far too reasonable for that. I know, to my cost, what a really unpleasant neighbour is like, so maybe I have undue empathy.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    Once the Brexit Party come first in the polls, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them.
    Have the Brexit Party got candidates in place in all constituencies? Thoroughly vetted? The organisation on the ground to GOTV? There's a long way from 'a YouGov poll' to 'forming a government' - and you assume the Tories that survive the massacre would be amenable to propping up a Farage government. Or the DUP with Farage's Britain England First! message.
    Well they almost won the Peterborough by election from nowhere and they won the European elections from nowhere.

    Let me assure you if Boris does not get it this time and the Tories do not deliver Brexit by the end of the year I know countless lifelong Tories who will defect to the Brexit Party, probably for good.

    If the remaining rump Tories have a choice between PM Farage or PM Corbyn they are hardly going to choose Corbyn are they and the DUP are fine with Farage as he firmly opposes the backstop
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151


    Have the Brexit Party got candidates in place in all constituencies? Thoroughly vetted? The organisation on the ground to GOTV?

    Agree with this although in a nationwide four-way-marginal world I guess a lot of established local parties that aren't used to fighting competitive elections are also going to get knocked on their arses.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    HYUFD said:
    She wouldn't kick Mark Fields chair
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    HYUFD said:

    Rubbish, all because of a minor row over spilling wine on a sofa, utterly pathetic desperation from the liberal left
    Was the sofa shouting get off me get out of my flat.

    Amazing what rich Tories have.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    edited June 2019
    Police investing cruelty against talking sofas according to HYUFD
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    Once the Brexit Party come first in the polls, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them.
    Have the Brexit Party got candidates in place in all constituencies? Thoroughly vetted? The organisation on the ground to GOTV? There's a long way from 'a YouGov poll' to 'forming a government' - and you assume the Tories that survive the massacre would be amenable to propping up a Farage government. Or the DUP with Farage's Britain England First! message.
    if Boris does not get it this time and the Tories do not deliver Brexit by the end of the year
    By the end of the year? October 31 surely? Cast Iron, watertight, guaranteed. Or so Mr Mercer says (or something to that effect...).

    The polling says 'Boris' is less important to the Tories than 'Brexit'.

    If the latter isn't delivered, who is leader is of little relevance.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Phew! There's a relief! I was worrying about the pilot of that unmanned drone.....

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1142220089367965698
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,316

    Phew! There's a relief! I was worrying about the pilot of that unmanned drone.....

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1142220089367965698

    Make Our Drones Manned!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131

    Police investing cruelty against talking sofas according to HYUFD

    The police did not take any further action and there was no evidence of any injury to Carrie Symonds
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    Once the Brexit Party come first in the polls, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them.
    Have the Brexit Party got candidates in place in all constituencies? Thoroughly vetted? The organisation on the ground to GOTV? There's a long way from 'a YouGov poll' to 'forming a government' - and you assume the Tories that survive the massacre would be amenable to propping up a Farage government. Or the DUP with Farage's Britain England First! message.
    if Boris does not get it this time and the Tories do not deliver Brexit by the end of the year
    By the end of the year? October 31 surely? Cast Iron, watertight, guaranteed. Or so Mr Mercer says (or something to that effect...).

    The polling says 'Boris' is less important to the Tories than 'Brexit'.

    If the latter isn't delivered, who is leader is of little relevance.
    On that I agree, if Brexit is not delivered by October 31st as Yougov showed today the Brexit Party win most seats whether Boris or Hunt is leader with the LDs second.

    Only minor difference is Yougov says the Tories would be 3rd with Boris tied with Labour but 4th with Hunt on just 17 seats (In the latter scenario May in Maidenhead and Surrey South West would be amongst the few survivors of the meltdown and the Brexit Party would win a majority of 38 with 344 seats).

    Yvette Cooper would also lose her seat to Farage's Party
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=18&LAB=19&LIB=22&Brexit=27&Green=7&UKIP=2&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I am :lol: tonight. Williamson and the ERG may have engineered an easy fight between Boris and someone who is not a leaver like Gove. But they may end up with a semi-remainer when the chaos around Bozza clears.


    Can't stop laughing. So predictable.

    You won't be laughing if that ends up producing PM Farage, as it likely would based on today's YouGov.
    Which parties do you anticipate entering into a coalition with Farage?
    On today's YouGov the Brexit Party plus the rump Tories plus the DUP would have an overall majority in the Commons combined.

    Er.....you don't think that the Tories and the Brexit party might be appealing to the same/similar voters, thus splitting their vote and letting goodness knows who in?
    Once the Brexit Party come first in the polls, as they do with YouGov today, then FPTP really starts to help them.
    Have the Brexit Party got candidates in place in all constituencies? Thoroughly vetted? The organisation on the ground to GOTV? There's a long way
    if Boris does not get it this time and the Tories do not deliver Brexit by the end of the year
    By the end of the year? October 31 surely? Cast Iron, watertight, guaranteed. Or so Mr Mercer says (or something to that effect...).

    The polling says 'Boris' is less important to the Tories than 'Brexit'.

    If the latter isn't delivered, who is leader is of little relevance.
    On that I agree, if Brexit is not delivered by October 31st as Yougov showed today the Brexit Party win most seats whether Boris or Hunt is leader with the LDs second.

    Only minor difference is Yougov says the Tories would be 3rd with Boris tied with Labour but 4th with Hunt on just 17 seats (In the latter scenario May in Maidenhead and Surrey South West would be amongst the few survivors of the meltdown and the Brexit Party would win a majority of 38 with 344 seats).

    Yvette Cooper would also lose her seat to Farage's Party
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=18&LAB=19&LIB=22&Brexit=27&Green=7&UKIP=2&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/21/delivering-brexit-will-do-more-boost-conservative-
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151


    Make Our Drones Manned!

    These new-fangled drone contraptions must be incredibly frustrating to Bolton and the other hawks trying the old Cuban Missile Crisis tactic of sending aircraft over to get shot down and escalate the crisis. They must be asking Lockheed Martin if there isn't a way they could at least get a little dog in there or something.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,952
    I'm back home. Let's cheer people up. Did you know today is National Onion Ring Day? Yes, it really is.

    https://medium.com/myplayground/the-origin-of-national-onion-ring-day-47647e0d9b25
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,963
    Bugger Byronic being SeanT, has Boris been SeanT all along?
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,028

    Phew! There's a relief! I was worrying about the pilot of that unmanned drone.....

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1142220089367965698

    UAS crews experience a very high level of immersion and do feel it when they lose the aircraft. Obviously it's nothing like getting blasted out of the jet with a broken back and burnt hands to have fags put out on you by the IRGC when you land but it's not nothing.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,792
    Dura_Ace said:

    Phew! There's a relief! I was worrying about the pilot of that unmanned drone.....

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1142220089367965698

    UAS crews experience a very high level of immersion and do feel it when they lose the aircraft. Obviously it's nothing like getting blasted out of the jet with a broken back and burnt hands to have fags put out on you by the IRGC when you land but it's not nothing.
    A nuance I’m sure was uppermost in the Orange head.

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    I'm calling bullshit on this domestic. Don't believe a word of it.
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