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  • PhukovPhukov Posts: 132
    Boris out to 1.19 (1.15 earlier when I checked)
    Rory in to 15.5 (20 earlier)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Part 3 thoughts :

    1. Stewart - Doing well - a little humour too.
    2. Javid - Ok again
    3. Gove - Still trying too hard but better.
    4. Hunt - Solid performance
    5. Raab - Better this round
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Next LEader of the Opposition maybe?

    The Liberal Democrats will be glad to have him knocking lumps out of FArage...

    (This is a joke - I hope.)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Oh God , sorry Gove but I might bring my dinner up soon.

    The only thing missing was the gospel choir and doves of peace . He’s beginning to resemble a preacher , it’s the over sincerity which I’m beginning to find nauseating .
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Bloody auto correct
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    KGM occasionally seems to throw a hand-grenade into things by just not being very good in this role.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Floater said:

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
    Just been watching some episodes of Killing Eve. There is some good stuff on the BBC. But the licence fee is an anachronism that needs to be abolished.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    We could combine it with the Tory law and order platform, and introduce harsh fines for incorrect use of the apostrophe, along with lengthy prison sentences for those unable to read a manifesto...
    What about dyscalculia? Lock up every politician who claims their manifesto is fully costed...
    That's not dyscalculia, that's lying.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Hold me closer, Tory party.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Floater said:

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
    Indeed. Beeb costs more than Netflix and gives far less. And you have to pay for it even if you only watch commercial TV.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    TGOHF said:

    Betfair not moving much.

    How many Conservative members with votes in this election do you think have Betfair accounts?
    Hello
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Mauve said:

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    I agree he probably is. But if Boris implodes (looking less likely now than I thought) he could win this one by accident though. But Boris still the massive favourite of course
    He's a good lay at 15/1.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.

    Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.

    You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
    Your delusion is crazy. Being conservative and making sure you are leaping into another job is a far better prospect than jumping into a black hole. Sure, some people will land on a big pile of money but most will break every bone in their body.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Cameron
    May
    Boris
    Rory

    It is quite possible we could have three old Etonian prime ministers in a decade.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Next LEader of the Opposition maybe?

    The Liberal Democrats will be glad to have him knocking lumps out of FArage...

    (This is a joke - I hope.)
    The Elton was auto correct not a joke
  • argyllrsargyllrs Posts: 155

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    Is he going to abolish state education?
    It can be argued that, albeit, very basic literacy, was highest just before the state got to take over 'educating' us.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709
    Nigelb said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    We could combine it with the Tory law and order platform, and introduce harsh fines for incorrect use of the apostrophe, along with lengthy prison sentences for those unable to read a manifesto...
    That would have the advantage of throwing half the MPs int jail - as far too many either haven't read the manifestos or understood them.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.

    Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.

    You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
    Your delusion is crazy. Being conservative and making sure you are leaping into another job is a far better prospect than jumping into a black hole. Sure, some people will land on a big pile of money but most will break every bone in their body.
    Leaping into another job is preferable if it is an option. Sometimes it isn't.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Floater said:

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
    Do you think you should only pay for the police services that you directly use?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Trending No.1 on twitter. Maybe this isn't so inconsequential as James Cleverley, Gavin Williamsn and Lyndon Crosby would wish.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900
    Sean_F said:


    Different Conservatives, though.

    I think the worst thing that could happen to TBP would be success (as it was for the LDs in all honesty). The internal contradictions within the TBP movement would tear it apart in recrimination and those seeking a genuinely centre-right option would rejoin or reshape what remained of the Conservative Party.

    Nature abhors a vacuum - there will always be a centre-right presence in British politics. It may have longer or shorter periods out of power but it will always be there.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    Yes, I would imagine he's going down pretty well with most viewers and like a lead balloon with the voters in this contest.
    He wouldn't do if he didn't run so vociferously against his own party.

    But, I think he's playing a longer game.

    It's not inconceivable he becomes PM inside a year.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Johnsons made a big mistake here, but he'll still get the job.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Oh Gove. Crash and burn.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    edited June 2019
    Oh God , Gove descending into more vomit inducing emotional clap trap .

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.

    Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.

    You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
    Your delusion is crazy. Being conservative and making sure you are leaping into another job is a far better prospect than jumping into a black hole. Sure, some people will land on a big pile of money but most will break every bone in their body.
    Leaping into another job is preferable if it is an option. Sometimes it isn't.
    So are you telling me that you would advise your child to quit their only source of income, and hope they get another job in time for them to pay rent and bills?

    Let's assume you were unable to help and support them and they had no savings of any kind.

    Or would you actually advise them to look for another job and hand their notice in once they had accepted another offer?

    Don't lie.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709
    Floater said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    I will be sure to let my dyslexic son know......
    AIUI, dyslexia != illiteracy. Dyslexia (and there are many forms) makes literacy harder, but many - most - dyslexics thrive. It is a case of ensuring they get the extra support they require in school and at home.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    argyllrs said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    Is he going to abolish state education?
    It can be argued that, albeit, very basic literacy, was highest just before the state got to take over 'educating' us.
    Literacy in 1871 was defined as the ability to write your name in a marriage register.

    IIRC, on that basis 67% of the male population and around 30% of the female population were literate, although those figures are skewed by the fact that almost all Scots and Welsh could read and write.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Foxy said:

    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
    LOL
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    eristdoof said:

    Floater said:

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
    Do you think you should only pay for the police services that you directly use?
    The BBC are an emergency service now? Ridiculous fanboy.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    I'm not disliking Raab as much as I thought I would, actually.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    Yes, I would imagine he's going down pretty well with most viewers and like a lead balloon with the voters in this contest.
    He can always join the Liberal Democrats. :)
    Well, somebody has to fill the gap the Conservatives are leaving.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    DavidL said:

    Oh Gove. Crash and burn.

    This is becoming tragic !
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    argyllrs said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    Is he going to abolish state education?
    It can be argued that, albeit, very basic literacy, was highest just before the state got to take over 'educating' us.
    That is not true.

    See for instance
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-economic-history/article/spread-of-literacy-in-nineteenthcentury-england/8F696710081BF83DC7E1136CC79647E3
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Foxy said:

    eristdoof said:

    JackW said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Facebook, incidentally, is a very good place of getting news if you want to find out what gets the attention of people enough to talk proactively about it to their family and friends. It often informs what I choose to write about, as with today’s piece.

    You mean you lie in bed reading facebook, and not listening to radio 4? Shame on you, sir. :p
    I’m afraid I haven’t listened to Radio 4 in 20 years or more. I will draw a veil over what I actually do in bed.
    Sounds kinky...
    Alastair and partner playing with his ginger nuts .... biscuits of course, he doesn't like to share ....
    Are the Hob Nobs too salty then?
    I see @AlastairMeeks more as a fan of the Bourbon, while @roger would clearly go for Nice. I suspect @Cyclefree more inclined to a Garibaldi.
    Not much of a biscuit person to be honest. But if I had to choose it would be a fig roll or a nice piece of shortbread.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    DavidL said:

    Floater said:

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
    Just been watching some episodes of Killing Eve. There is some good stuff on the BBC. But the licence fee is an anachronism that needs to be abolished.
    Of course - but the government should show some guts and fund the national broadcaster out of general taxation.
    Though at the same time we should seriously consider what it is we want out of the BBC.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Rory, he's great.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Am I the last person alive to find out that Rory Stewart’s real name is Rod Stewart?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    KGM really does ask questions from the cliched orthodox Left, doesn't it?

    If politics has a problem so does journalism and the art of the interview.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Better from Hunt but the audience don't warm to Raab
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Dunno if he can help it but Stewart - as excellent as he is - could do with moderating the top lip and large teeth thing when he gets passionate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Hunt's body language when he's listening to the others reminds me of Mitt Romney, in a bad way.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    nico67 said:

    DavidL said:

    Oh Gove. Crash and burn.

    This is becoming tragic !
    I've been saying this for years. Will people finally start listening?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    JackW said:

    Better from Hunt but the audience don't warm to Raab

    Hunt is showing some class here.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Is Rory THAT authentic? If he is - and I think he is - it’s an intriguing and attractive trait.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    Yes, I would imagine he's going down pretty well with most viewers and like a lead balloon with the voters in this contest.
    He wouldn't do if he didn't run so vociferously against his own party.

    But, I think he's playing a longer game.

    It's not inconceivable he becomes PM inside a year.
    I agree that Stewart is playing the longer game. However there are big dangers in this. Being a favourite for Conservative leader is harmful to careers, as everyone attacks you - the opposition, the media, even people in their own party. That's one reason why so few favourites become leader. Also, leadership elections are generally few and far between - you;re lucky if you're in position when one comes along.

    Johnson looks set to be one to contradict this. But if Stewart is seen as favourite for too long, he'll miss the opportunity and be wounded by a thousand snipes.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    DavidL said:

    Rory, he's great.

    So was Dave until he wasn't.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Rory, he's great.

    So was Dave until he wasn't.
    True, but by then he'd won the leadership, 2 elections and 1 majority.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627

    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.

    Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.

    You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
    Quitting a sh!t job that paid well, to go work for myself, was the best decision I ever made.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709
    JohnO said:

    Is Rory THAT authentic? If he is - and I think he is - it’s an intriguing and attractive trait.

    Having now read a couple of his books, he's either that authentic or the best damned actor-spy there is.
  • argyllrsargyllrs Posts: 155
    ydoethur said:

    argyllrs said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    Is he going to abolish state education?
    It can be argued that, albeit, very basic literacy, was highest just before the state got to take over 'educating' us.
    Literacy in 1871 was defined as the ability to write your name in a marriage register.

    IIRC, on that basis 67% of the male population and around 30% of the female population were literate, although those figures are skewed by the fact that almost all Scots and Welsh could read and write.
    I thought almost everyone could write their own name by 1871.
    Not claiming that people were better educated then though.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Rory
    Saj
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    Hunt
    Gove
    Raab
    -
    -
    -
    Johnson
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Rory, he's great.

    So was Dave until he wasn't.
    True, but by then he'd won the leadership, 2 elections and 1 majority.
    To be fair, Rory is genuine about his views on Brexit, which of course was the big problem with Cameron's tenure as Tory leader.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709

    Am I the last person alive to find out that Rory Stewart’s real name is Rod Stewart?

    Just don't ask him to sing ...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    JohnO said:

    Is Rory THAT authentic? If he is - and I think he is - it’s an intriguing and attractive trait.

    Having now read a couple of his books, he's either that authentic or the best damned actor-spy there is.
    Tough call. But his books are excellent. Beautifully written, self effacing and with a dry humour.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Rory
    Saj
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    Hunt
    Gove
    Raab
    -
    -
    -
    Johnson

    Fine by this voting conservative member
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:


    Different Conservatives, though.

    I think the worst thing that could happen to TBP would be success (as it was for the LDs in all honesty). The internal contradictions within the TBP movement would tear it apart in recrimination and those seeking a genuinely centre-right option would rejoin or reshape what remained of the Conservative Party.

    Nature abhors a vacuum - there will always be a centre-right presence in British politics. It may have longer or shorter periods out of power but it will always be there.
    Oh, I agree TBP would fall apart if it got substantial Parliamentary representation.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Phukov said:

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    There are people who quit their job every single workday? Not very clever, is it? Maybe they should come back on day 2, it might get better.
    Unlike your posts, which are consistently shit.
    I fear he's closer to their target audience than most of the rest of us. If only they knew it they could abandon this 'Mr Nice Guy' crap
  • Rory: Woke
    Gove: Broke
    Saj: Nope
    Hunt: Mope
    Raab: Dope
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    edited June 2019
    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as did all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Rory talking for the first time about why he's a Conservative, and articulating how he shares the compassionate approach of Raab.

    That's better. Running and identifying with his party.

    This has been his problem up to now.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710

    Rory
    Saj
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    Hunt
    Gove
    Raab
    -
    -
    -
    Johnson

    Similar, except with the empty lectern between Hunt and Gove and the concept of disappointment just below Raab.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709
    DavidL said:

    JohnO said:

    Is Rory THAT authentic? If he is - and I think he is - it’s an intriguing and attractive trait.

    Having now read a couple of his books, he's either that authentic or the best damned actor-spy there is.
    Tough call. But his books are excellent. Beautifully written, self effacing and with a dry humour.
    The bit where he comes across the Minaret of Jam in "The Places in Between" was an incredibly moving piece of writing - at least to me. He really seems to care.

    The minaret itself is fantastic: and it's a tragedy it's going to be destroyed through neglect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minaret_of_Jam
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:


    Different Conservatives, though.

    I think the worst thing that could happen to TBP would be success (as it was for the LDs in all honesty). The internal contradictions within the TBP movement would tear it apart in recrimination and those seeking a genuinely centre-right option would rejoin or reshape what remained of the Conservative Party.

    Nature abhors a vacuum - there will always be a centre-right presence in British politics. It may have longer or shorter periods out of power but it will always be there.
    Oh, I agree TBP would fall apart if it got substantial Parliamentary representation.
    Will we be in the EU long enough for them to start losing MEPs (again)? It is surely a matter of time and not much of it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Floater said:

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
    Just been watching some episodes of Killing Eve. There is some good stuff on the BBC. But the licence fee is an anachronism that needs to be abolished.
    Of course - but the government should show some guts and fund the national broadcaster out of general taxation.
    Though at the same time we should seriously consider what it is we want out of the BBC.

    The public service remit could be filled from general taxation, for 5-10% of the current BBC budget. The vast majority of the BBC’s output is no different to what’s available on commercial stations.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    Rory
    Saj
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    -
    Hunt
    Gove
    Raab
    -
    -
    -
    Johnson

    Fine by this voting conservative member
    Seconded by this also voting member, though I’d put Hunt (narrowly) in second place. And Raab above Gove on the also runs. Rory emphatic in the top slot. Now, the BIG, indeed ONLY question is how many Tory MPs are watching and will it affect their votes on Tuesday.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Rory now clear 2nd Fav.

    But Hunt is still shorter to reach Final 2.

    So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.

    So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.
  • MauveMauve Posts: 129
    Final impression:
    Stewart
    Hunt
    Raab
    Javid
    Johnson
    Gove way down the bottom

    Once they got off Brexit I found myself starting to find Raab much more agreeable. Javid started well but started to fade at the end. Hunt came back strongly once health and education came up. Stewart top of the class by quite a way.

    Boris beats Gove without turning up

  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes, an actual weakness but one that is largely irrelevant to the job you are applying for.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as did all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    The best one I ever got - before I stopped asking the question - was: "Interviews!"

    Not that interviewee, but a friend of mine is a brilliant engineer that would grace any tech company. But he's hideous at interviews, and gets jobs through word-of-mouth.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    “He’s really bald!” Verdict of 11yr old son.

    Boris loser.

    Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Rory
    Saj
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    Hunt
    Gove
    Raab
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    Johnson

    Similar, except with the empty lectern between Hunt and Gove and the concept of disappointment just below Raab.
    Boris will get away with it.

    Noone watches Channel 4 on a Sunday. But had he attended he'd have been rounded on by all other candidates and had some poor Monday headlines just before the next round of voting, risking giving one of his rivals a boost.

    The BBC debate on Tuesday night is far more important, and he'll be fighting it from a stronger position.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    JohnO said:

    Rory
    Saj
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    Hunt
    Gove
    Raab
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    Johnson

    Fine by this voting conservative member
    Seconded by this also voting member, though I’d put Hunt (narrowly) in second place. And Raab above Gove on the also runs. Rory emphatic in the top slot. Now, the BIG, indeed ONLY question is how many Tory MPs are watching and will it affect their votes on Tuesday.
    He's got 3 now from this non-watching member but that's cos Ken was already leading me this way.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    edited June 2019
    Artist said:

    Seems like a remain friendly audience, one of the dangers Boris was right to avoid.

    If he won't turn up because he's afraid of people debating him, how in the name of all that's holy do we justify him becoming the person who has to negotiate with Putin and Trump?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.

    Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.

    You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
    No possibility of selection or survivorship bias there, thank God.

    Shit analogies really are the last shot left in your locker, aren't they?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Slamdunk finish from the Eton kid!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
    IMHO, suffering fools (and bores) gladly is probably one of the most useful traits in a leader.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
    Is that a weakness? I often hear that said as praise for someone, though I always get the feeling that it's reserved for a privileged few.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    If I was the target audience (which thank the lord I'm not sir) Rory would walk it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
    How about "can't go 5 minutes without posting on politicalbetting.com" ??
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Brilliant end speech by Stewart.

    Hunt went all Make Britain Again.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Foxy said:

    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
    That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    viewcode said:

    Artist said:

    Seems like a remain friendly audience, one of the dangers Boris was right to avoid.

    If he won't turn up because he's afraid of people debating him, how in the name of all that's holy do we justify him becoming the person who has to negotiate with Putin and Trump?
    He'd probably find Putin and Trump a softer audience than this one.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Overall Scores on the doors :

    1. Stewart - Clear winner - 8/10
    2. Javid - Solid performance throughout - 6.5/10
    3. Hunt - Started poorly and improved. - 6/10
    4. Gove - Just tried too hard - 4/10
    5. Raab - Mr Terminator blew up.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    Slamdunk finish from the Eton kid!

    I thought his best answer was his weakness. It was so human, so modest and made those who tried to pretend that their biggest weakness was actually a strength just look ridiculous.

    Having him as PM would be genuinely interesting.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,709
    edited June 2019
    "i have spent the last few weeks travelling this country from Londonderry to Derby..."

    Going to increasingly more dangerous places, Rory? Preperation for his next long walk: Londonderry, Derby, Antarctica, Everest, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Iraq, London ...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005

    Am I the last person alive to find out that Rory Stewart’s real name is Rod Stewart?

    Puts Maggie May in a whole new light.

    The morning sun, when it's in your face really shows your age
    But that don't worry me none in my eyes, you're everything
    I laughed at all of your jokes, my love you didn't need to coax
    Oh, Maggie, I couldn't have tried any more
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
    That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
    He would
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,305
    edited June 2019
    Who ever comes out on top at the end of C4 news Conservative Leadership debate tonight, its been a big win for the party in Government after their recent slump in polling and election results. Expecting an up tick in the Conservatives polling on the back of this focus on the leadership contest. Biggest loser tonight is Boris, no doubt about it, he has proved he can derail his own Leadership momentum juggernaut without opening his mouth or making a gaffe.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    MikeL said:

    Rory now clear 2nd Fav.

    But Hunt is still shorter to reach Final 2.

    So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.

    So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.

    I think Boris will be thinking how to block Stewart and will want to wait until the outcome of Tuesday's vote first to decide how to play it.

    I'd say it's touch and go if Stewart makes the 33 MP threshold but there might not be much in it between him Gove and Hunt.

    If I were Boris I'd send 10 of my new votes to Gove and Hunt each.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Rory
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    Gove
    Raab
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    Johnson

    Similar, except with the empty lectern between Hunt and Gove and the concept of disappointment just below Raab.
    Boris will get away with it.

    Noone watches Channel 4 on a Sunday. But had he attended he'd have been rounded on by all other candidates and had some poor Monday headlines just before the next round of voting, risking giving one of his rivals a boost.

    The BBC debate on Tuesday night is far more important, and he'll be fighting it from a stronger position.
    The risk for Boris is that -- as Gordon Brown found out -- if you spend your life ducking debates and interviews, you never develop the skills and techniques necessary for it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Jonathan said:

    “He’s really bald!” Verdict of 11yr old son.

    Boris loser.

    Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.

    He actually is but that perception is what will kill him within the party.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    DavidL said:

    Slamdunk finish from the Eton kid!

    I thought his best answer was his weakness. It was so human, so modest and made those who tried to pretend that their biggest weakness was actually a strength just look ridiculous.

    Having him as PM would be genuinely interesting.
    Exactly so. Empathy does matter.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited June 2019
    tlg86 said:

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
    Is that a weakness? I often hear that said as praise for someone, though I always get the feeling that it's reserved for a privileged few.
    "Doesn't suffer fools gladly" in standard English means "thick, ill-mannered and borderline racist with the borderline bit left out, but married to Her Majesty the Queen."
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381
    tlg86 said:

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .

    Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
    What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
    Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
    Is that a weakness? I often hear that said as praise for someone, though I always get the feeling that it's reserved for a privileged few.
    It's not praise if you want to lead people.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    1st - Stewart
    2 - Raab
    3 - Hunt
    4 - The Saj
    5 - Gove
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