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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Guru Murphy has been crap.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Omnium said:

    Expect Rory and Sajid /Hunt to come out best

    What's the channel you are watching?
    4
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    eristdoof said:

    JackW said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Facebook, incidentally, is a very good place of getting news if you want to find out what gets the attention of people enough to talk proactively about it to their family and friends. It often informs what I choose to write about, as with today’s piece.

    You mean you lie in bed reading facebook, and not listening to radio 4? Shame on you, sir. :p
    I’m afraid I haven’t listened to Radio 4 in 20 years or more. I will draw a veil over what I actually do in bed.
    Sounds kinky...
    Alastair and partner playing with his ginger nuts .... biscuits of course, he doesn't like to share ....
    Are the Hob Nobs too salty then?
    I see @AlastairMeeks more as a fan of the Bourbon, while @roger would clearly go for Nice. I suspect @Cyclefree more inclined to a Garibaldi.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    Yeah, if you had prepared for such an eventuality...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    Sandpit said:

    The no Boris thing would probably be funnier if they directed questions at his lectern and just left it silent for 2 minutes.

    What are they doing?

    It won’t be as funny as Roy Hattersley being replaced with a lump of lard.
    They left an empty lectern and said Boris was welcome to turn up any time but not much other than that.

    Hunt did make sure he got in a "where's Boris?" mention though.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    Yeah, if you had prepared for such an eventuality...
    Even if you haven't sometimes taking a leap is necessary. Puts you under pressure to come up swiftly with an alternative solution rather than kicking the can forever while remaining unhappy.
  • PhukovPhukov Posts: 132

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    TGOHF said:

    Guru Murphy has been crap.

    And in other shock news today, Pope is Catholic.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Foxy said:

    eristdoof said:

    JackW said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Facebook, incidentally, is a very good place of getting news if you want to find out what gets the attention of people enough to talk proactively about it to their family and friends. It often informs what I choose to write about, as with today’s piece.

    You mean you lie in bed reading facebook, and not listening to radio 4? Shame on you, sir. :p
    I’m afraid I haven’t listened to Radio 4 in 20 years or more. I will draw a veil over what I actually do in bed.
    Sounds kinky...
    Alastair and partner playing with his ginger nuts .... biscuits of course, he doesn't like to share ....
    Are the Hob Nobs too salty then?
    I see @AlastairMeeks more as a fan of the Bourbon, while @roger would clearly go for Nice. I suspect @Cyclefree more inclined to a Garibaldi.
    Mike Smithson though hates gari-baldi ....

    I'll get my cape ....
  • Gove's a busted flush, isn't he? He looks like he's about to melt.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Gove is too much me, me, me, me....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Gove's a busted flush, isn't he? He looks like he's about to melt.

    Trying too hard
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
  • Gove's a busted flush, isn't he? He looks like he's about to melt.

    Trying too hard
    Over stimulated.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TGOHF said:

    Guru Murphy has been crap.

    Could have been Snow... it's all relative
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    Negotiationing away a multitude of tariff and no-tariff barriers with all the countries we deal with in short order is as easy as getting a new job? You’re insane.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,780

    Omnium said:

    Expect Rory and Sajid /Hunt to come out best

    What's the channel you are watching?
    4
    Thanks Big_G
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Possibly not.

    It's one reason why I'm staying in my current job a bit longer. In a few months I'll have cleared my mortgage and be in a position to earn enough to survive on a reduced income if I wish. At that time, I may well walk.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698

    BBC should raise its revenues in the marketplace same as every other broadcaster.

    Either make it subscription based or play adverts. There is plenty of choice available quite literally.

    You'd clearly like to see a world-renowned great British instution trashed on the altar of neo-liberalism. The Conservative party the same - what is it they are about 'conserving' these days?
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited June 2019
    The Nigel Farage question that conveniently immediately gets put to Rory is definitely a C4 plant. Quite outrageous.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    So far:

    Gove - the annoying Apprentice candidate who gets knocked out in week 2
    Hunt - blandness designed by the bland committee
    Javid - sometimes forget if he's actually in this?
    Boris - definitely not actually in this
    Raab - Android
    Stewart - clearly winning the audience. Gets a bit shirty though sometimes and that could backfire.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Out of 10 at this point

    Rors 8
    Saj 5
    Jezza 5
    Dom 4
    Mike 2 - but 10 for effort

    Johnson 6
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Pauly said:

    The Nigel Farage question that conveniently immediately gets put to Rory is definitely a C4 plant. Quite outrageous.

    Why
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Rory is going to win this
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    BBC should raise its revenues in the marketplace same as every other broadcaster.

    Either make it subscription based or play adverts. There is plenty of choice available quite literally.

    You'd clearly like to see a world-renowned great British instution trashed on the altar of neo-liberalism. The Conservative party the same - what is it they are about 'conserving' these days?
    Netflix is world renowned too.

    If the renowned.BBC is so great then it should find it easy to raise funds.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897

    Pauly said:

    The Nigel Farage question that conveniently immediately gets put to Rory is definitely a C4 plant. Quite outrageous.

    Why
    Every question should get put to every candidate. Throw that to the wall and basic moderation goes out the window.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Rory is going to win this

    According to who?

    A channel 4 audience of Remainers? Or the Tory MPs and Members who are going to vote?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Pauly said:

    Pauly said:

    The Nigel Farage question that conveniently immediately gets put to Rory is definitely a C4 plant. Quite outrageous.

    Why
    Every question should get put to every candidate. Throw that to the wall and basic moderation goes out the window.
    You have to start somewhere
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Rory is going to win this

    According to who?

    A channel 4 audience of Remainers? Or the Tory MPs and Members who are going to vote?
    Expect from a poll following the programme
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    Rory is going to win this

    Yes, clear winner at 40 minutes...Raab fighting his corner. Hunt and Javid doing OK but not dominating. Gove seriously underperforming. Still 40 mins to go...

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    Rory is going to win this

    By a country mile! Still will get kicked out, but give Boris a very hard time in the run off.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Hunt's price has collapsed today.

    Yesterday he was 10. Now he's 25.

    Why?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Rory is the standout candidate in this so far. Gove undershooting.

    Javid not too bad.

    My wife, looking at Hunt: "is that Raab?"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    JohnO said:

    Rory is going to win this

    Yes, clear winner at 40 minutes...Raab fighting his corner. Hunt and Javid doing OK but not dominating. Gove seriously underperforming. Still 40 mins to go...

    Good summary.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    MikeL said:

    Hunt's price has collapsed today.

    Yesterday he was 10. Now he's 25.

    Why?

    Too bland on channel 4.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    JohnO said:

    Rory is going to win this

    Yes, clear winner at 40 minutes...Raab fighting his corner. Hunt and Javid doing OK but not dominating. Gove seriously underperforming. Still 40 mins to go...

    Seriously overperforming surely?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    Pauly said:

    Pauly said:

    The Nigel Farage question that conveniently immediately gets put to Rory is definitely a C4 plant. Quite outrageous.

    Why
    Every question should get put to every candidate. Throw that to the wall and basic moderation goes out the window.
    You have to start somewhere
    and the point is to get the momentum to try and make the final two... that's all he has to worry and focus on doing now. Getting a media and social media 'buzz' could easily help with non-headbanger Tory MPs for achieving that.

    The battle for the members has not yet begun... to go all LOTR.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
    You are the one out of touch.

    I expect the proportion of people who have ever quit without having a new one lined up to be quite a significant one.

    Just because it isn't recommended doesn't mean it doesn't happen very regularly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    130 off 24.

    This is a steeper ask than for Dominic Raab...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Foxy said:

    Rory is going to win this

    By a country mile! Still will get kicked out, but give Boris a very hard time in the run off.
    For me

    Rory
    Javid
    Hunt
    Raab
    Gove

    But last two hopeless
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Rory has thrown away the chance to explain the tariff consequences of no deal, instead talking about no and yes.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    I keep wondering who they think they're talking to. As any advertiser will tell you knowing your audience is your starting point. I'm genuinely confused.
  • PhukovPhukov Posts: 132

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    There are people who quit their job every single workday? Not very clever, is it? Maybe they should come back on day 2, it might get better.
    Unlike your posts, which are consistently shit.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited June 2019
    Stewart needs to be questioned on how he would get the withdrawal agreement through though. The opposition parties have zero intention of voting Brexit through, no matter how much he reaches out and he's not the person who could convince the ERG rebels.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Rory is going to win this

    According to who?

    A channel 4 audience of Remainers? Or the Tory MPs and Members who are going to vote?
    Expect from a poll following the programme
    A poll of who? Channel 4 viewers? Tory voters? Tory members?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Hi

    JohnO said:

    Rory is going to win this

    Yes, clear winner at 40 minutes...Raab fighting his corner. Hunt and Javid doing OK but not dominating. Gove seriously underperforming. Still 40 mins to go...

    Seriously overperforming surely?
    LOL, I stand corrected.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Part 2 thoughts :

    1. Stewart - Doing Fine
    2. Javid - Ok again.
    3. Gove - Still trying too hard
    4. Hunt - Better this round.
    5. Raab - Mr Macho isn't cutting it.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    JohnO said:

    Rory is going to win this

    Yes, clear winner at 40 minutes...Raab fighting his corner. Hunt and Javid doing OK but not dominating. Gove seriously underperforming. Still 40 mins to go...

    Good summary.
    He used the T word maybe we can start having real debate about no deal brexit
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    This is actually a good programme and all 5 of them seem infinitely better than Johnson. I could live with any of these guys as PM for a few weeks before Labour win the snap election. None of them would send me into a deep bout of the blues about what this country had become.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Raab has blown this . Suspending parliament has destroyed his chances . Hunt doing okay , Gove looks desperate , Javid I think has done fine , Stewart fine aswell .
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
    You are the one out of touch.

    I expect the proportion of people who have ever quit without having a new one lined up to be quite a significant one.

    Just because it isn't recommended doesn't mean it doesn't happen very regularly.
    So to continue the EU analogy, you quit your job because your employer (the EU) won't give you everything you want and then you have to pick up any old job because you have no savings and therefore can't hold out for the perfect job.

    Just insanity.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Foxy said:

    Rory is going to win this

    By a country mile! Still will get kicked out, but give Boris a very hard time in the run off.
    For me

    Rory
    Javid
    Hunt
    Raab
    Gove

    But last two hopeless
    I couldn't convert you to the error of your ways on Gove, but there is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hardline Eurosceptic MPs threaten to defect to the Brexit Party if Boris has not delivered Brexit by the 31st October

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141054/boris-johnson-news-brexit-tory-leadership-race-nigel-farage-brexit-party

    Another reason for him to call an immediate snap election.
    Indeed. If he wins a majority Boris then has the numbers to get the compromises needed to get the Withdrawal Agreement through the Commons with minor tweaks agreed with the EU without being reliant on the DUP and ERG hardliners or hoping for rebel Labour MPs
    Or him and the Tories are out on their arses, more likely.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    Germany has television licences as well.

    Wikipedia thinks a couple of dozen other places do too.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Phukov said:

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    There are people who quit their job every single workday? Not very clever, is it? Maybe they should come back on day 2, it might get better.
    Unlike your posts, which are consistently shit.
    Hahaha.

    Every day there will be people quitting somewhere. The idea its unheard of is absurd.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hardline Eurosceptic MPs threaten to defect to the Brexit Party if Boris has not delivered Brexit by the 31st October

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141054/boris-johnson-news-brexit-tory-leadership-race-nigel-farage-brexit-party

    Another reason for him to call an immediate snap election.
    Indeed. If he wins a majority Boris then has the numbers to get the compromises needed to get the Withdrawal Agreement through the Commons with minor tweaks agreed with the EU without being reliant on the DUP and ERG hardliners or hoping for rebel Labour MPs
    This is so confusing.

    I thought a day or two ago Johnson's triumphant snap election was going to be fought on a No Deal platform, in order for all the Brexit Party supporters to vote Tory.

    Now it's going to be called in order essentially to pass Theresa May's deal, with only cosmetic changes?

    So how does he get the Brexit lot to vote Tory? Is he going to pretend he's aiming for No Deal, only to present the Commons with Meaningful Vote Number [I've lost count] a few weeks later?
    Even with Boris about 13% of voters will still vote Brexit Party with Yougov ie UKIP 2015 levels, Boris can ignore them and just aim for the Tory to Brexit Party defectors who are putting the Brexit Party over 20% but are not No Deal fanatics.

    So provided Boris gets a majority and a few tweaks to the backstop from the EU he can say we will leave the EU with a Deal, if not of course he can say he will still have a majority in the Commons for a No Deal Brexit
    Forget your obsession with opinion polling. Not only do you base far too much of your opinions on them you then turn them into concrete facts. There is no certainty Boris would get a working majority with vast swathes of Scotland, London and the south voting either SNP or Lib Dems. At best Boris may achieve largest party but the deadlock would continue

    As for extreme ERG members threatening to go to TBP that is fine by me no matter the consequences or how badly it effects the party. I do not want to share my party with Faragists and UKIPPERS
    No there is clear polling Boris would get an overall majority on a Deal or No Deal Brexit platform actually.

    What is certain is that if the Tories do not commit to deliver Brexit whether with a Deal or without one it will either be a Corbyn minority government propped up by the LDs and SNP or the Brexit Party will be the largest party in the Commons and Nigel Farage will either be Kingmaker or PM himself with support from the remaining Tory rump and the DUP
    Cuckoo
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Rory is going to win this

    By a country mile! Still will get kicked out, but give Boris a very hard time in the run off.
    For me

    Rory
    Javid
    Hunt
    Raab
    Gove

    But last two hopeless
    I couldn't convert you to the error of your ways on Gove, but there is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth...
    Gove was my original choice but he has lost me tonight. If I had a choice it would be Javid
  • MauveMauve Posts: 129
    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Rory is going to win this

    By a country mile! Still will get kicked out, but give Boris a very hard time in the run off.
    For me

    Rory
    Javid
    Hunt
    Raab
    Gove

    But last two hopeless
    I couldn't convert you to the error of your ways on Gove, but there is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth...
    Gove was my original choice but he has lost me tonight. If I had a choice it would be Javid
    From all I hear that was one of his better performances...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Artist said:

    Stewart needs to be questioned on how he would get the withdrawal agreement through though. The opposition parties have zero intention of voting Brexit through, no matter how much he reaches out and he's not the person who could convince the ERG rebels.

    Well in that case he would have to revoke, and see what the ERG think about that.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Whoever posted it the other day is right. Raab does sound like Greg Davies (with a different accent).
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Betfair not moving much.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Artist said:

    Stewart needs to be questioned on how he would get the withdrawal agreement through though. The opposition parties have zero intention of voting Brexit through, no matter how much he reaches out and he's not the person who could convince the ERG rebels.

    The citizen assembly idea is to give Labour MPs cover to vote the WA. Something May never did.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
    You are the one out of touch.

    I expect the proportion of people who have ever quit without having a new one lined up to be quite a significant one.

    Just because it isn't recommended doesn't mean it doesn't happen very regularly.
    So to continue the EU analogy, you quit your job because your employer (the EU) won't give you everything you want and then you have to pick up any old job because you have no savings and therefore can't hold out for the perfect job.

    Just insanity.
    It is only insane if you were happy with your old job.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Boris is winning this debate hands down.

    Interesting game. The only way to win is not to play.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited June 2019

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
    You are the one out of touch.

    I expect the proportion of people who have ever quit without having a new one lined up to be quite a significant one.

    Just because it isn't recommended doesn't mean it doesn't happen very regularly.
    So to continue the EU analogy, you quit your job because your employer (the EU) won't give you everything you want and then you have to pick up any old job because you have no savings and therefore can't hold out for the perfect job.

    Just insanity.
    It is only insane if you were happy with your old job.
    What if the new job you had to take, because you had no savings and had rent to pay, is a lot worse than your old job?

    It would make much more sense to stay in your old job until you secured a better one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Is neutral good enough?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    TGOHF said:

    Betfair not moving much.

    It moves every time Stewart speaks.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited June 2019
    Johnson offers panicking Tories wishful thinking by the bucket load. I don't see the other candidates offering the same. Or indeed Farage. Which is why Johnson probably IS the Tories' best hope. He might win over some of the less bitter and twisted BP supporters.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    Acos of what we is all thik and carnt spele.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    Foxy said:

    Rory is going to win this

    By a country mile! Still will get kicked out, but give Boris a very hard time in the run off.
    For me

    Rory
    Javid
    Hunt
    Raab
    Gove

    But last two hopeless
    I would agree. Saj doing well. Mrs Foxy jealous of his dog.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    A noble ambition, but the bit at the end about being able to get "a well paid job" is a bit disingenuous. Even if every kid achieved to their full potential, there would still be a limit on the number of good jobs available.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
    You are the one out of touch.

    I expect the proportion of people who have ever quit without having a new one lined up to be quite a significant one.

    Just because it isn't recommended doesn't mean it doesn't happen very regularly.
    So to continue the EU analogy, you quit your job because your employer (the EU) won't give you everything you want and then you have to pick up any old job because you have no savings and therefore can't hold out for the perfect job.

    Just insanity.
    It is only insane if you were happy with your old job.
    What if the new job you had to take, because you had no savings and had rent to pay, is a lot worse than your old job?

    It would make much more sense to stay in your old job until you secured a better one.
    If it is much worse then prepare properly this time learning lessons and then quit again.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Phukov said:

    Imagine negotiating with your boss over pay and threatening to resign if they don't agree with all your demands, but with no other job offer in the pipeline. They call your bluff, and then you can't pay your mortgage.

    But at least you showed them you were willing to walk away...

    Sound move if you are not happy with your old job.

    Many, many people will have done exactly that.
    I wouldn't try it in this age of universal credit. You'll be homeless in six months and dead in a year.
    Pathetic project fear scaremongering.

    Or you'll get a new job. There are people up and down the country who do exactly this every single workday.
    You do realise a huge amount of people in this country have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck?
    Yes and a huge amount will walk out of a job and into a new one within a week or two too.
    Out of touch and unrealistic.

    No one would ever recommend leaving a job without another one unless under extreme circumstances.
    You are the one out of touch.

    I expect the proportion of people who have ever quit without having a new one lined up to be quite a significant one.

    Just because it isn't recommended doesn't mean it doesn't happen very regularly.
    So to continue the EU analogy, you quit your job because your employer (the EU) won't give you everything you want and then you have to pick up any old job because you have no savings and therefore can't hold out for the perfect job.

    Just insanity.
    It is only insane if you were happy with your old job.
    What if the new job you had to take, because you had no savings and had rent to pay, is a lot worse than your old job?

    It would make much more sense to stay in your old job until you secured a better one.
    If it is much worse then prepare properly this time learning lessons and then quit again.
    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Whoever posted it the other day is right. Raab does sound like Greg Davies (with a different accent).

    Rik Mayall. People must have called him B'Stard for so long now he can't help himself. I feel sorry for him. I see a comedian trying to play it straight
  • Raab seemingly unaware that there are already non-graduate routes into law and accountancy. Dimwit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    TGOHF said:

    Betfair not moving much.

    How many Conservative members with votes in this election do you think have Betfair accounts?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    I will be sure to let my dyslexic son know......
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Raab seemingly unaware that there are already non-graduate routes into law and accountancy. Dimwit.

    Give him a break. He has just learnt about Dover being a port.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?

    I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it

    I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
    I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.

    I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    TGOHF said:

    Betfair not moving much.

    How many Conservative members with votes in this election do you think have Betfair accounts?
    How many do you think are even watching it?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    RobD said:

    Raab seemingly unaware that there are already non-graduate routes into law and accountancy. Dimwit.

    Give him a break. He has just learnt about Dover being a port.
    He's not exactly on the star board, is he?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    Yes, I would imagine he's going down pretty well with most viewers and like a lead balloon with the voters in this contest.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    We could combine it with the Tory law and order platform, and introduce harsh fines for incorrect use of the apostrophe, along with lengthy prison sentences for those unable to read a manifesto...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    Yes, I would imagine he's going down pretty well with most viewers and like a lead balloon with the voters in this contest.
    He can always join the Liberal Democrats. :)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Rory is clever, of that there is no doubt.
  • MauveMauve Posts: 129

    Mauve said:

    So far it seems the debate is likely to help Stewart the most and Javid a bit. Gove and Raab not doing well and could be damaged by their performances. Hunt probably fairly neutral

    Stewart is running for the leadership contest after this one.
    I agree he probably is. But if Boris implodes (looking less likely now than I thought) he could win this one by accident though. But Boris still the massive favourite of course
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Nigelb said:

    Abolishing illiteracy. I wonder why no-one has thought of that before.

    We could combine it with the Tory law and order platform, and introduce harsh fines for incorrect use of the apostrophe, along with lengthy prison sentences for those unable to read a manifesto...
    What about dyscalculia? Lock up every politician who claims their manifesto is fully costed...
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Rory is bloody good (after a tiny hiccup when KG-M pressed) in presenting his case.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.

    Fantastic.

    Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.

    You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    nichomar said:

    Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s

    Eton even
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